Why PC gaming will always own cosoles

I'm primarily a PC gamer myself and I can see you are a fanboy.All your claims about split screening, streamings, gamepads, "ease of use" and televisions are nothing but propaganda. The last time I used a gamepad on my PC was playing FarenheitPC games are designed to be played a certain way, with a keyboard, mouse, sitting in front of a computer screen. Claiming otherwise is dishonest and relies on anecdotal evidence.Harping on about the obscure times when PC gaming happens to play like consoles isn't being impartial. They are different mediums and are played in different ways.KirbyFan10101

[QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"]I'm primarily a PC gamer myself and I can see you are a fanboy.All your claims about split screening, streamings, gamepads, "ease of use" and televisions are nothing but propaganda. The last time I used a gamepad on my PC was playing FarenheitPC games are designed to be played a certain way, with a keyboard, mouse, sitting in front of a computer screen. Claiming otherwise is dishonest and relies on anecdotal evidence.Harping on about the obscure times when PC gaming happens to play like consoles isn't being impartial. They are different mediums and are played in different ways.Vandalvideo

Oh please. What can be done has nothing to do with what should be done. People aren't playing Company of Heroes on their couches.

Oh please. What an be done has nothing to do with what should be done. People aren't playing Company of Heroes on their couches. KirbyFan10101

[QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"]Oh please. What an be done has nothing to do with what should be done. People aren't playing Company of Heroes on their couches. Vandalvideo

Tell you what, you play CoH with a gamepad on your couch, and i'll play it on my computer desk. The degree to which you would get wholloped would be hilarious.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"]Oh please. What an be done has nothing to do with what should be done. People aren't playing Company of Heroes on their couches. KirbyFan10101

Tell you what, you play CoH with a gamepad on your couch, and i'll play it on my computer desk. The degree to which you would get wholloped would be hilarious.

You're failing so badly. We're saying the possibility is there for you to play on a couch with a gamepad, not that you have to or that you should. Do you know why we keep saying that? Because console dweebs like to hold as a "superiority" over PC gamers that they can "omg game on my really nice leather couch with my 60" HDTV and surround sound while you sit 5 inches in front of a monitor for hours lol". PC gamers can do all that too. That's the point. How are you not grasping something so simplistic?

I like how you ignored my entire response to you from before, too. One of the things I mentioned is that PC games for the past several years have had gamepad configurations and gamepads will be even more supported in the future since you can hook a 360 controller up now. You probably haven't played a single PC game since Doom. Like POP Sands of Time, for instance. If you had played that on a PC, we wouldn't have to hear all these simple-minded comments from you. So go do us all a favor, yes?

[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]

Not to mention the fact that consoles will probably never have the sort of install base in homes that PC's have.

But since you only seem to be pointing out the praises of PC's, let me point out a few negatives. The PC gets nowhere near as many games as consoles. The PC doesn't have as much variety as games on a console, (what's the last really great platformer you played on a PC???), & there are always issues of compatibility/bugginess/upgrading/expensive OS's etc with PC's.

Just playing the Devil's advocate here so that you all don't start patting yourselves on the back too much ;)

Hot_Potato

PC has almost 8,000 games listed on GS

PS2 has less than 3,000.

PC gets pretty much every genre except platformer and fighter

There's almost never compatibility issues unless you're a complete moron, and some computers could last for 3-4 years without and upgrade.

Expensive OS's? Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass.

why do PC gamers do this ?? listing all the PC games from 20 years ago....and comparing it to PS2 which came out 8 years ago ??

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"]Oh please. What an be done has nothing to do with what should be done. People aren't playing Company of Heroes on their couches. Zeliard9

Tell you what, you play CoH with a gamepad on your couch, and i'll play it on my computer desk. The degree to which you would get wholloped would be hilarious.

You're failing so badly. We're saying the possibility is there for you to play on a couch with a gamepad, not that you have to or that you should. Do you know why we keep saying that? Because console dweebs like to hold as a "superiority" over PC gamers that they can "omg game on my really nice leather couch with my 60" HDTV and surround sound while you sit 5 inches in front of a monitor for hours lol". PC gamers can do all that too. That's the point. How are you not grasping something so simplistic?

I like how you ignored my entire response to you from before, too. One of the things I mentioned is that PC games for the past several years have had gamepad configurations and gamepads will be even more supported in the future since you can hook a 360 controller up now. You probably haven't played a single PC game since Doom. Like POP Sands of Time, for instance. If you had played that on a PC, we wouldn't have to hear all these simple-minded comments from you. So go do us all a favor, yes?

Lmao, i'm "failing". Failing at what? I'm probably the only "hermit" here who knows what the hell hes on about. Theres a possibility to play with a gamepad, fine. You can also cook a steak with a lighter, but being able to do something is half the story. You aren't going to because it isn't competitive and games are designed in such a way that using a controller makes sense. I'm grasping it, but the point is stupid. I tend to game online, and online if you aren't using a KB/M you aren't going to be winning.

I didn't "ignore" your response, I just didnt see it. Not that I really care because it was a half serious post to begin with. And i've played every PC game released worth playing up until about a year ago, where my computer became redundant. Thanks for making stupid generalisations. Just because someone doesn't agree with you that doesn't make them a "lesser" persons.

And I played Sands of Time on the PS2. It was like on every platform, get over it.

I love PC gaming as well as console gaming.

The consoles get the edge in my opinion though. Much more variety in the games. The best games on PC are shooters and RTS, where as the consoles have great games in every genre._AsasN_

*waits for the flight combat sim guy to come into the thread to mention 4x and a million other types of sims that arnt on consoles*

Lmao, i'm "failing". Failing at what? I'm probably the only "hermit" here who knows what the hell hes on about. Theres a possibility to play with a gamepad, fine. You can also cook a steak with a lighter, but being able to do something is half the story. You aren't going to because it isn't competitive and games are designed in such a way that using a controller makes sense. I'm grasping it, but the point is stupid. I tend to game online, and online if you aren't using a KB/M you aren't going to be winning.KirbyFan10101

Ease of use is worth money - the iPod is popular not because it has a ton of features, it's popular because it's easy to use, easy to plug in and download music. At some point in your life, you should make enough where your time is worth more than the amount of money you spend for usability and simplicity.

Given that, we can see why some would prefer consoles over PC's; it's not a question of whether you can, but whether you should and the amount of time and effort you put into setting up your rig. This is precisely why Microsoft is pushing for better gaming features in Vista, along with Windows Live: not because it does something new, but because it's supposed to be easier to do what you did before.

Elitest attitudes are probably the worst way to make a point.

[QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"]Lmao, i'm "failing". Failing at what? I'm probably the only "hermit" here who knows what the hell hes on about. Theres a possibility to play with a gamepad, fine. You can also cook a steak with a lighter, but being able to do something is half the story. You aren't going to because it isn't competitive and games are designed in such a way that using a controller makes sense. I'm grasping it, but the point is stupid. I tend to game online, and online if you aren't using a KB/M you aren't going to be winning.Datheron

Ease of use is worth money - the iPod is popular not because it has a ton of features, it's popular because it's easy to use, easy to plug in and download music. At some point in your life, you should make enough where your time is worth more than the amount of money you spend for usability and simplicity.

Given that, we can see why some would prefer consoles over PC's; it's not a question of whether you can, but whether you should and the amount of time and effort you put into setting up your rig. This is precisely why Microsoft is pushing for better gaming features in Vista, along with Windows Live: not because it does something new, but because it's supposed to be easier to do what you did before.

Elitest attitudes are probably the worst way to make a point.

I don't understand how this relates to what I said in your quote.

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="KirbyFan10101"]

Tell you what, you play CoH with a gamepad on your couch, and i'll play it on my computer desk. The degree to which you would get wholloped would be hilarious.

KirbyFan10101

You're failing so badly. We're saying the possibility is there for you to play on a couch with a gamepad, not that you have to or that you should. Do you know why we keep saying that? Because console dweebs like to hold as a "superiority" over PC gamers that they can "omg game on my really nice leather couch with my 60" HDTV and surround sound while you sit 5 inches in front of a monitor for hours lol". PC gamers can do all that too. That's the point. How are you not grasping something so simplistic?

I like how you ignored my entire response to you from before, too. One of the things I mentioned is that PC games for the past several years have had gamepad configurations and gamepads will be even more supported in the future since you can hook a 360 controller up now. You probably haven't played a single PC game since Doom. Like POP Sands of Time, for instance. If you had played that on a PC, we wouldn't have to hear all these simple-minded comments from you. So go do us all a favor, yes?

Lmao, i'm "failing". Failing at what? I'm probably the only "hermit" here who knows what the hell hes on about. Theres a possibility to play with a gamepad, fine. You can also cook a steak with a lighter, but being able to do something is half the story. You aren't going to because it isn't competitive and games are designed in such a way that using a controller makes sense. I'm grasping it, but the point is stupid. I tend to game online, and online if you aren't using a KB/M you aren't going to be winning.

It wouldn't be so much for the FPS and RTS games. Most console owners would play those games online with a keyboard and mouse in a heartbeat if they could. It simply offers significantly more control than using a gamepad, and it gives an enormous advantage in aiming and even movement. I know that. But guess what that is? A superiority over consoles, since they don't have games capable yet of using a mouse and keyboard, so by default they're a lot more restricted in their play. And if PC gamers are playing a platformer, fighting game, sports game, etc on their PC, they have the easy and simple option of using a gamepad. Then going back to RTS and FPS they've got the kb/mouse. Console owners are restricted to a gamepad at all times.

And I played Sands of Time on the PS2. It was like on every platform, get over it.KirbyFan10101

You missed the point. I brought up Sands of Time for the PC because you keep going on about how PC games are never optimized to use a gamepad, and that game was released in 2003 and had flawless gamepad compatibility. And that's actually another game that was better on the PC, since it had much better graphics than consoles.

Ease of use is worth money - the iPod is popular not because it has a ton of features, it's popular because it's easy to use, easy to plug in and download music. At some point in your life, you should make enough where your time is worth more than the amount of money you spend for usability and simplicity.Given that, we can see why some would prefer consoles over PC's; it's not a question of whether you can, but whether you should and the amount of time and effort you put into setting up your rig. This is precisely why Microsoft is pushing for better gaming features in Vista, along with Windows Live: not because it does something new, but because it's supposed to be easier to do what you did before.Elitest attitudes are probably the worst way to make a point.Datheron

It wouldn't be so much for the FPS and RTS games. Most console owners would play those games online with a keyboard and mouse in a heartbeat if they could. It simply offers significantly more control than using a gamepad, and it gives an enormous advantage in aiming and even movement. I know that. But guess what that is? A superiority over consoles, since they don't have games capable yet of using a mouse and keyboard, so by default they're a lot more restricted in their play. And if PC gamers are playing a platformer, fighting game, sports game, etc on their PC, they have the easy and simple option of using a gamepad. Then going back to RTS and FPS they've got the kb/mouse. Console owners are restricted to a gamepad at all times.Zeliard9

The PS3 is offering KB/M support, for one. I don't care what anyone says, rumble and the act of pulling a trigger makes FPS more enjoyable on consoles for me, although the FPS genre as a whole is better on the PC. Fighting, sports games and platformers are all genres best done on consoles for that very reason: the controller standard. PC games are designed around a KB/M. How a bunch of PC elitists are arguing with me about that is perplexing and at the same time rather comical. This is the real world, and in the real world PC gaming and the KB/M go hand in hand.

You missed the point. I brought up Sands of Time for the PC because you keep going on about how PC games are never optimized to use a gamepad, and that game was released in 2003 and had flawless gamepad compatibility. And that's actually another game that was better on the PC, since it had much better graphics than consoles.

Zeliard9

How amazing! A game released on consoles with excellent gamepad controls!

you are moron! the point we are making is that the PC gives you a very customized experince.If some one is more comfortable playing with a gamepad then he can do that.and chances are he maybe better that way.and PC gamers mention every single game ever released because they are playable!!!! also if you wanted to you could also play really old console classics by having an emulator etc.

ofcourse consoles have there advantages but in terms of affordability and function PC wins everytime.

[QUOTE="_AsasN_"]I love PC gaming as well as console gaming.

The consoles get the edge in my opinion though. Much more variety in the games. The best games on PC are shooters and RTS, where as the consoles have great games in every genre.-Sora

*waits for the flight combat sim guy to come into the thread to mention 4x and a million other types of sims that arnt on consoles*

also PC gamers tend to be very much more social. we get games that we play with upto 64 players at once.Great_Ragnarok

Ok but can you play Split-Screen against a few of your buddies on the PC like you can on Consoles?

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"]also PC gamers tend to be very much more social. we get games that we play with upto 64 players at once.PS3_3DO

Ok but can you play Split-Screen against a few of your buddies on the PC like you can on Consoles?

No thanks. I'll stick to consoles and avoid the snobbiest game players in the world. Honestly, I have occasionally gone into PC games like Day of Defeat, CS:S. RTCW. HL2, WoW, and I've never seen such an amount of eliteness. For godsakes, it's just a game. soulsofblayck

Yeah, XBL is much better. I love playing with racist 12 year olds!

No thanks. I'll stick to consoles and avoid the snobbiest game players in the world. Honestly, I have occasionally gone into PC games like Day of Defeat, CS:S. RTCW. HL2, WoW, and I've never seen such an amount of eliteness. For godsakes, it's just a game. soulsofblayck

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[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"]also PC gamers tend to be very much more social. we get games that we play with upto 64 players at once.br0kenrabbit

Ok but can you play Split-Screen against a few of your buddies on the PC like you can on Consoles?

You can do that on Consoles too. ;)

You can do that on Consoles too. ;)

PS3_3DO

[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]No thanks. I'll stick to consoles and avoid the snobbiest game players in the world. Honestly, I have occasionally gone into PC games like Day of Defeat, CS:S. RTCW. HL2, WoW, and I've never seen such an amount of eliteness. For godsakes, it's just a game. trix5817

Yeah, XBL is much better. I love playing with racist 12 year olds!

Then go on at a time where you know alot of kids won't be on or boot them. My point is, it doesn't matter with PC gamers. A majority of them think they are kings.

[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]No thanks. I'll stick to consoles and avoid the snobbiest game players in the world. Honestly, I have occasionally gone into PC games like Day of Defeat, CS:S. RTCW. HL2, WoW, and I've never seen such an amount of eliteness. For godsakes, it's just a game. br0kenrabbit

I hate Halo so I avoid the online obviously.

Then go on at a time where you know alot of kids won't be on or boot them. My point is, it doesn't matter with PC gamers. A majority of them think they are kings.

soulsofblayck

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"]also PC gamers tend to be very much more social. we get games that we play with upto 64 players at once.PS3_3DO

Ok but can you play Split-Screen against a few of your buddies on the PC like you can on Consoles?

You can do that on Consoles too. ;)

lol if you want split screen then you can do that by connecting to a TV. A big TV hopefully.but yeah its much easier just to do a lan party. I'm not against consoles.I own a 360,Wii. and It is fun playing halo and halo 2 with my mates.ITs that PC is without a doubt the best platform over all. but if you are like me and dont want to miss out on exclusives then you will get consoles just for the games!

Why Console gaming will always be Mainstream and PC gaming regulated to people playing in their basements.

PS3_3DO

Reading posts like yours it's easy to understand why console gaming will always be for male teenagers, while PC will always be for adults, both male and female.

really...grow up

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[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]No thanks. I'll stick to consoles and avoid the snobbiest game players in the world. Honestly, I have occasionally gone into PC games like Day of Defeat, CS:S. RTCW. HL2, WoW, and I've never seen such an amount of eliteness. For godsakes, it's just a game. soulsofblayck

Yeah, XBL is much better. I love playing with racist 12 year olds!

Then go on at a time where you know alot of kids won't be on or boot them. My point is, it doesn't matter with PC gamers. A majority of them think they are kings.

they still behave better than most xbl community though.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]No thanks. I'll stick to consoles and avoid the snobbiest game players in the world. Honestly, I have occasionally gone into PC games like Day of Defeat, CS:S. RTCW. HL2, WoW, and I've never seen such an amount of eliteness. For godsakes, it's just a game. soulsofblayck

Yeah, XBL is much better. I love playing with racist 12 year olds!

Then go on at a time where you know alot of kids won't be on or boot them. My point is, it doesn't matter with PC gamers. A majority of them think they are kings.

Huh? It doesn't matter? I play WoW, the people I play with on there are some of the coolest people I've ever talked to. CSS is hilarious to play if you get in a good server, and they aren't elitists. Most pc gamers I play with are mature and fun individuals. If anything, xbox live is worse, I remember the first time I played forza 2 online I got laughed at and booted, because it was my first time. You do something like that in a pc game and they'll either help you or boot you. What I'm trying to say is, pc is no worse than xbox live, and, depending on the game, can be better.

[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]No thanks. I'll stick to consoles and avoid the snobbiest game players in the world. Honestly, I have occasionally gone into PC games like Day of Defeat, CS:S. RTCW. HL2, WoW, and I've never seen such an amount of eliteness. For godsakes, it's just a game. AdrianWerner

Yeah, XBL is much better. I love playing with racist 12 year olds!

Then go on at a time where you know alot of kids won't be on or boot them. My point is, it doesn't matter with PC gamers. A majority of them think they are kings.

they still behave better than most xbl community though.

He doesn't understand that PC games have dedicated servers. I only play on one server on BF2 (well, actually a mod for it, Project Reality and PoE2) and everyone on there is older and more mature. Many of them have kids. That's another plus to PC gaming, dedicated servers, something consoles lack.

I don't understand how this relates to what I said in your quote.

KirbyFan10101

Heh, I wasn't really rebuking your quote or anything, I was trying to add to it to give it greater context.

And what "should" be done is merely opinion. It doesn't change the fact that PCs can provide the same experience as consoles for roughly the asme ammount of money.

Vandalvideo

And my entire point is that you'll soon realize, if you haven't already, that you should be using the term "resources" instead of "money" and that "resources" consist of more than just money. Your time, for example, is worth money (consider the idea that corporations still prefer Windows over *free* Linux because the support costs for Linux would cost the company more money than just giving everyone Windows); designing a good interface or a creating a standard that others can agree to costs money (paying designers, getting consensus between differing groups or entities is a frustrating and time-consuming process); dealing with "trivial" software support issues costs a whole lot of money (like coming out w/ new graphics drivers every month - engineers and QA have to eat too and the cost you pay up front in the cost of your shiny new graphics card).

If "money" is your only important variable, then you've basically admitted that your time is worth nothing. Might be true if you were 16 and on your summer vacation, not so much when you're 35 and have to juggle a wife, kids, and work.

If "money" is your only important variable, then you've basically admitted that your time is worth nothing. Might be true if you were 16 and on your summer vacation, not so much when you're 35 and have to juggle a wife, kids, and work.

Datheron

If you're an adult Pcgaming should be better option. You don't monopolize your entertainment center in the home with it, plus you save a lot of time. I mean if I want to play all I have to do is double click on a deskop. While on consoles I have to go to another room,take out the console, take out the pads (if your wife allows you to keep the console with accesories out on the open then you're one lucky guy) turn the console on, wait for it to power up, then search for the game I need, carefuly take out the disk, put it in, wait till it loads and then waste more time on loading them. It sure as hell takes more time overall than going to site and downloading a patch once every month or so.

Wich system brought online gaming?

Wich System Invented 3d Gaming?

Wich system keeps advancing every year in new technology like HDR lighting and such?

Wich system has been around since the atari 2600 days?

Wich system invented the first person shooter ?

Wich system invented RPGs?

Wich system keeps pushing the limits every year??

shall i keep going?

PCs have been paving the way for the new consoles every year nothing more needs to be said.

Keep adding to the thread if u have more stuff PCs have invented

Dualityeq

How is who invented what relevant, PC gamign is great but will never reach the console appeal of comfort and mainstream/casual acceptance that was achieved with say the PS2. Although the number of PC in teh world far out weigh any gaming console the percentage that usues it for gaming are dramatically lower than most consoles. I have 6 PCs in my house and only one is used for gaming. The PC is great and defnianlty is the most up to date and flexible gaming rig but also the least bang for your buck when a HD console can be purchased for $300 (360 core). It is really subjective to opinion yours is PC is the best mine is console gaming is better. You can refute and debate with me but that will serve no purpose as nothing you can say will change my opinion nor nothing I can say will change yours. No system is truely better than another only more suited to your desires.

this has been debated before many times so please dont repeat it again. btw no PC can give a better performing system for less than the price of a console.(xcept the prcie of Wii). and the PC gaming market is much larger than the console market.The only regions where the console seems to have gained mainstream appeal is America and Japan.Those regions are the largest when it comes to consoles.But in China and India and Europe the PC gaming market has greater appeal.I mean china alone is enough to dwarf the console market!Great_Ragnarok

China mainly flock to PC as pirating PC games are easy enought anyone with decent computer skills could do it (use it to get those old gems long forgotten by retail stores).

[QUOTE="Great_Ragnarok"]this has been debated before many times so please dont repeat it again. btw no PC can give a better performing system for less than the price of a console.(xcept the prcie of Wii). and the PC gaming market is much larger than the console market.The only regions where the console seems to have gained mainstream appeal is America and Japan.Those regions are the largest when it comes to consoles.But in China and India and Europe the PC gaming market has greater appeal.I mean china alone is enough to dwarf the console market!Igwababa

China mainly flock to PC as pirating PC games are easy enought anyone with decent computer skills could do it (use it to get those old gems long forgotten by retail stores).

china market still brings awful lot of money, becase of MMOs, which are very hard to pirate

Pirating console games isn't any problem in China, everyone with console already has modchip installed on it.

If you're an adult Pcgaming should be better option. You don't monopolize your entertainment center in the home with it, plus you save a lot of time. I mean if I want to play all I have to do is double click on a deskop. While on consoles I have to go to another room,take out the console, take out the pads (if your wife allows you to keep the console with accesories out on the open then you're one lucky guy) turn the console on, wait for it to power up, then search for the game I need, carefuly take out the disk, put it in, wait till it loads and then waste more time on loading them. It sure as hell takes more time overall than going to site and downloading a patch once every month or so.AdrianWerner

Or, you have your own game room and close the door when the kids are running around the house. =)

Seriously though, PC gaming from experience is never as smooth as you guys make it sound. Yes, after you get everything set up, it's just a matter of launching the game, but I find it time consuming to get things set up to begin with; for pretty much every game I own, I've had to either grab/wait for drivers (graphics, audio), wait for a major patch to make things playable/balanced, mess around with the settings (graphics, .ini files) for a few hours to balance resolution and FPS, and occasionally scour forums looking for ways to resolve incompatibilities (mouse/keyboard issues, once the motherboard got involved somehow as well).

I might not mind it being an PC enthusiast, but you have to admit it's not the most friendly platform in the world. Windows Live does a lot of right things in imposing standards on PC games, it just needs to....suck less.

Or, you have your own game room and close the door when the kids are running around the house. =)Datheron

I might not mind it being an PC enthusiast, but you have to admit it's not the most friendly platform in the world.Datheron