Why SKYRIM does NOT deserve to be GOTY

"was GOTY"

past tense? People are done playing it already?

"was GOTY"

past tense? People are done playing it already?

FashionFreak

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

skyrim is a game of the highest tier.

sorry you lack the patience/competence to play it efficiently.

Peredith

Sorry I don't enjoy mediocrity. Almost every aspect of Skyrim is mediocre.

Visuals - mediocre

Story - mediocre

Writing - mediocre

Characters - mediocre

Exploration - mediocre

Quests - mediocre

Combat - mediocre

Only thing that is great are the RPG elements and crafting

Whaa..?

The visuals are very good.The graphics rival those of The Witcher 2.

The story isn't mediocre.You should read the books in the game.It's really interesting to read about the changes in the world since the last game.

Read this: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Great_War

The NPCs can be boring,yes,but the characters in the main quest are good enough.I havent joined any guilds yet,but I am sure that the characters there are also good.

Exploration is definitely not mediocre.I don't think I should even bother explaining why.

Only the random side quests are bad.The ones in the main quest are very good.

Since when is combat that important in an RPG?Besides,I honestly can't see how its worse than that of diablo games.

The graphics rival those of The Witcher 2.call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

skyrim is a game of the highest tier.

sorry you lack the patience/competence to play it efficiently.

call_of_duty_10

Sorry I don't enjoy mediocrity. Almost every aspect of Skyrim is mediocre.

Visuals - mediocre

Story - mediocre

Writing - mediocre

Characters - mediocre

Exploration - mediocre

Quests - mediocre

Combat - mediocre

Only thing that is great are the RPG elements and crafting

Whaa..?

The visuals are very good.The graphics rival those of The Witcher 2.

The story isn't mediocre.You should read the books in the game.It's really interesting to read about the changes in the world since the last game.

Read this: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Great_War

The NPCs can be boring,yes,but the characters in the main quest are good enough.I havent joined any guilds yet,but I am sure that the characters there are also good.

Exploration is definitely not mediocre.I don't think I should even bother explaining why.

Only the random side quests are bad.The ones in the main quest are very good.

Since when is combat that important in an RPG?Besides,I honestly can't see how its worse than that of diablo games.

The visuals are very good.The graphics rival those of The Witcher 2.

call_of_duty_10

The graphics rival those of The Witcher 2.

call_of_duty_10

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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

- Mediocre writing

- Bugs

- Unmemorable NPCs

- Bland Fighting

- Weak AI

- Inconsistent voice acting

- Poor animations

- Broken physics

- Bad UI (esp. on PC with a mouse)

- One of the versions is completely broken

- Generic quests and main story, many fetch quests

CaveJohnson1

...as I suspect of alot of the haters....

All of the complaints in his post are valid and accurate. Are you and other Skyrim fans going to keep on using this f****ng s**tty "you obviously haven't played it!" defence everytime someone points out a flaw in the game? Or are you actually going to bother trying to refute their arguments instead of covering your eyes and pretending that everyone who doesn't agree with you is a retard :|

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]It sounds like you haven't even played the game...

...as I suspect of alot of the haters....

sts106mat

All of the complaints in his post are valid and accurate. Are you and other Skyrim fans going to keep on using this f****ng s**tty "you obviously haven't played it!" defence everytime someone points out a flaw in the game? Or are you actually going to bother trying to refute their arguments instead of covering your eyes and pretending that everyone who doesn't agree with you is a retard :|

Yes, keep throwing those crap arguments at us. More evidence that Skyrim fans can't defend their game for **** because it's a game that is pretty damn hard to defend.

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] even if all the points he raised are true (which i dont agree with many of them) it is still the GOTY, oh well time to move along.sts106mat

Yes, keep throwing those crap arguments at us. More evidence that Skyrim fans can't defend their game for **** because it's a game that is pretty damn hard to defend.

Keep proving my point for me. You just assumed I was a hater despite the fact that I've never ever called it a bad game. For someone who moans about "wasting time debating people who don't want to change their opinions", you are pretty damn stubborn and inflexible yourself, as evidenced by the fact that all you've done is call us "haters" crybabies and repeat the opinions that you agree with instead of putting ANY real substance in there. What an arrogant, hypocritical and presumptuous post. Of course, if you really didn't care what detractors said, you'd have ignored all the posts for good instead of trying to sneak in insults.

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] maybe thats because we dont feel the need to defend it. Its winning awards, selling well and millions of people are enjoying it. you haters just come off as a bunch of cry babies, why would we want to waste time debating people who dont want to change their opinions? i'll get more enjoyment out of reading about the game at www.uesp.net or something. sts106mat

Keep proving my point for me. You just assumed I was a hater despite the fact that I've never ever called it a bad game. For someone who moans about "wasting time debating people who don't want to change their opinions", you are pretty damn stubborn and inflexible yourself, as evidenced by the fact that all you've done is call us "haters" crybabies and repeat the opinions that you agree with instead of putting ANY real substance in there. What an arrogant, hypocritical and presumptuous post. Of course, if you really didn't care what detractors said, you'd have ignored all the posts for good instead of trying to sneak in insults.

I don't think it's occured to you that a person can think of a game as being decent or passable and yet still criticize it because other people overpraise the damn thing to the high heavens. Of course, this would explain why you generalize Skyrim critics as "haters", because you aren't aware of the huge middle ground between "Skyrim is bad" and "SKYIRM IS THE BESTEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO HUMANITY!".

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]The graphics rival those of The Witcher 2.starjet905

They look equally good:|

And I am pretty sure skyrim will surpass TW2 in the graphics department once the graphics mods are out.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] Please list some game-breaking bugs.CaveJohnson1

Look the game is fantastic, it wilkl win plenty more awards unfortunately. However as a consumer product it is sub-par...

Pleas remove your heqad from under the sand... no one is scrutinising the game's quality, when it works

They look equally good:| And I am pretty sure skyrim will surpass TW2 in the graphics department once the graphics mods are out.call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="starjet905"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]The graphics rival those of The Witcher 2.call_of_duty_10

They look equally good:|

*pics*

They do not look equally good. You defeated your own point with the last two photos. Look at the rings on Geralt's armor in the first-fully rendered and apart from the rest of the armor. Then look at the buckles that are simply part of the texture in Skyrim in the second. And blurry as all hell as well. Yea, equally good I see. :roll:

To claim that Skyrim's visuals rival TW2's is asinine and speaks to me that someone has not played it. I've played both and TW2 is incredibly detailed and vibrant. Skyrim isn't.

Only reason Skyrim doesn't deserve to be GOTY is because its a buggy mess

The ending was also UBER anti-climax

The problem is no other game besides Skyrim deserves GOTY. You say Skyrim has shallow, repetitive gameplay? Name a game in the running for GOTY that doesn't have repetitive gameplay.

Arkham City? Fly here, beat up some bad guys, listen to some dialogue, repeat.

Uncharted 3? Watch cutscene, shoot some guys, solve a simple puzzle, repeat.

Portal 2? Go to test chamber, solve, repeat.

I could go on if I really wanted to. Yes, gaming is repetitive. Skyrim just does a better job at varying the tasks than other games do.

Only reason Skyrim doesn't deserve to be GOTY is because its a buggy mess

painguy1

The problem is no other game besides Skyrim deserves GOTY. You say Skyrim has shallow, repetitive gameplay? Name a game in the running for GOTY that doesn't have repetitive gameplay.

Arkham City? Fly here, beat up some bad guys, listen to some dialogue, repeat.

Uncharted 3? Watch cutscene, shoot some guys, solve a simple puzzle, repeat.

Portal 2? Go to test chamber, solve, repeat.

I could go on if I really wanted to. Yes, gaming is repetitive. Skyrim just does a better job at varying the tasks than other games do.

Vari3ty

Huh, never thought of it that way...still there are the bugs of the PS3 version which could be bad for Skyrim's GOTY award. Afterall, if they give it GOTY they give it to every platform and calling the PS3 version of Skyrim GOTY is just crazy. :|

The ending was also UBER anti-climax

OB-47

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

The problem is no other game besides Skyrim deserves GOTY. You say Skyrim has shallow, repetitive gameplay? Name a game in the running for GOTY that doesn't have repetitive gameplay.

Arkham City? Fly here, beat up some bad guys, listen to some dialogue, repeat.

Uncharted 3? Watch cutscene, shoot some guys, solve a simple puzzle, repeat.

Portal 2? Go to test chamber, solve, repeat.

I could go on if I really wanted to. Yes, gaming is repetitive. Skyrim just does a better job at varying the tasks than other games do.

Goyoshi12

Huh, never thought of it that way...still there are the bugs of the PS3 version which could be bad for Skyrim's GOTY award. Afterall, if they give it GOTY they give it to every platform and calling the PS3 version of Skyrim GOTY is just crazy. :|

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

The problem is no other game besides Skyrim deserves GOTY. You say Skyrim has shallow, repetitive gameplay? Name a game in the running for GOTY that doesn't have repetitive gameplay.

Arkham City? Fly here, beat up some bad guys, listen to some dialogue, repeat.

Uncharted 3? Watch cutscene, shoot some guys, solve a simple puzzle, repeat.

Portal 2? Go to test chamber, solve, repeat.

I could go on if I really wanted to. Yes, gaming is repetitive. Skyrim just does a better job at varying the tasks than other games do.

Goyoshi12

Huh, never thought of it that way...still there are the bugs of the PS3 version which could be bad for Skyrim's GOTY award. Afterall, if they give it GOTY they give it to every platform and calling the PS3 version of Skyrim GOTY is just crazy. :|

I do agree that the PS3 version, judged alone, is certainly not worthy of GOTY. That is just inexcusable. But I cannot really speak much about the issues, as I have only played it on the 360.

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"] [QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

The problem is no other game besides Skyrim deserves GOTY. You say Skyrim has shallow, repetitive gameplay? Name a game in the running for GOTY that doesn't have repetitive gameplay.

Arkham City? Fly here, beat up some bad guys, listen to some dialogue, repeat.

Uncharted 3? Watch cutscene, shoot some guys, solve a simple puzzle, repeat.

Portal 2? Go to test chamber, solve, repeat.

I could go on if I really wanted to. Yes, gaming is repetitive. Skyrim just does a better job at varying the tasks than other games do.

Vari3ty

Huh, never thought of it that way...still there are the bugs of the PS3 version which could be bad for Skyrim's GOTY award. Afterall, if they give it GOTY they give it to every platform and calling the PS3 version of Skyrim GOTY is just crazy. :|

I do agree that the PS3 version, judged alone, is certainly not worthy of GOTY. That is just inexcusable. But I cannot really speak much about the issues, as I have only played it on the 360.

Then you shouldn't call them "inexcuseable" unless you've experienced them firsthand. :roll:

@call_of_duty_10

Why are you posting screens of The Witcher 2 on medium settings? And Skyrims artstyIe and visuals are lifeless, dead, WITH NO CHARACTER. Witcher 2 looks beautiful. Skyrim looks ugly 70% of the time. Inside most of the caves and buldings look the same, with the same ugly low res textures. The entire tundra area is just grey.

@call_of_duty_10

Why are you posting screens of The Witcher 2 on medium settings? And Skyrims artstyIe and visuals are lifeless, dead, WITH NO CHARACTER. Witcher 2 looks beautiful. Skyrim looks ugly 70% of the time. Inside most of the caves and buldings look the same, with the same ugly low res textures. The entire tundra area is just grey.

Peredith

Why are we even arguing about which game looks better? Anyone with a brain knows The Witcher 2 is currently the best-looking RPG ever. Skyrim is a glorified console port graphically.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

Only reason Skyrim doesn't deserve to be GOTY is because its a buggy mess

princeofshapeir

1 or 2 bugs ok, but when a game becomes unplayble on consoles, and has a list of bugs this big there is no excuse. The game is not ready yet.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="painguy1"]

Only reason Skyrim doesn't deserve to be GOTY is because its a buggy mess

painguy1

1 or 2 bugs ok, but when a game becomes unplayble on consoles, and has a list of bugs this big there is no excuse. The game is not ready yet.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

Only reason Skyrim doesn't deserve to be GOTY is because its a buggy mess

princeofshapeir

Technical issues should very much be part of how any game is judged. It's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Here's a post I made in another thread:

"Best experience? Have you seen the videos and been paying attention to the controversy that this bug has been producing? I don't think bugs should prohibit a game from getting GotY as they are inherent to the nature of the medium and can understand texture problems, backwards flying dragons, slight occasional FR drops, etc. especially in a game as large and complex as Skyrim, but this is different. This bug makes the game nearly unplayable, and if not, certainly unenjoyable. And even worse, it is not a simple fix through a patch, but stems directly due to how the game is programmed and will more than likely remain a problem permanently.

Now I'm sorry, but if I were a judge there's no way in hell any game suffering such an issue would be nominated, much less awarded. What kind of message is it sending to praise such effort? Bethesda deserves no such accolades. GotY should be determined on all aspects of design, not just content and the experience it provides. Looked at as a whole. And even if it has the content, the experience is seriously marred and ruined by this problem.

Games cannot be awarded by looking simply at the positive aspects and how/if they balance out the negatives. And in this case, the problems on PS3 make the game essentially BROKEN. How can you say, "it's greater than the sum of its parts" when it runs like a slide show? This is not to mention Bethesda withheld PS3 review copies before release because they damn well knew about this problem beforehand. What does that demonstrate about how they regard their fans? And then they get rewarded with the most prestigious award possible in the industry? Um.....am I missing something here? People are, and have a right, to be pissed off at this. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lawsuit about this.

And here comes the, "well, play it on another platform" reasoning...

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] GOTY is not awarded based on technical issues. Case in point: RDR. The scope of Skyrim outclasses all of the technical flaws. It is most certainly greater than the sum of its parts.princeofshapeir

1 or 2 bugs ok, but when a game becomes unplayble on consoles, and has a list of bugs this big there is no excuse. The game is not ready yet.

PC suffers from poor optimization, 360 is the cleanest build, but still has all the bugs on those lists that isn't platform specific, PS3 version still is broken

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="painguy1"] [QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="painguy1"]

Only reason Skyrim doesn't deserve to be GOTY is because its a buggy mess

MirkoS77

Technical issues should very much be part of how any game is judged. It's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Here's a post I made in another thread:

"Best experience? Have you seen the videos and been paying attention to the controversy that this bug has been producing? I don't think bugs should prohibit a game from getting GotY as they are inherent to the nature of the medium and can understand texture problems, backwards flying dragons, slight occasional FR drops, etc. especially in a game as large and complex as Skyrim, but this is different. This bug makes the game nearly unplayable, and if not, certainly unenjoyable. And even worse, it is not a simple fix through a patch, but stems directly due to how the game is programmed and will more than likely remain a problem permanently.

Now I'm sorry, but if I were a judge there's no way in hell any game suffering such an issue would be nominated, much less awarded. What kind of message is it sending to praise such effort? Bethesda deserves no such accolades. GotY should be determined on all aspects of design, not just content and the experience it provides. Looked at as a whole. And even if it has the content, the experience is seriously marred and ruined by this problem.

Games cannot be awarded by looking simply at the positive aspects and how/if they balance out the negatives. And in this case, the problems on PS3 make the game essentially BROKEN. How can you say, "it's greater than the sum of its parts" when it runs like a slide show? This is not to mention Bethesda withheld PS3 review copies before release because they damn well knew about this problem beforehand. What does that demonstrate about how they regard their fans? And then they get rewarded with the most prestigious award possible in the industry? Um.....am I missing something here? People are, and have a right, to be pissed off at this. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lawsuit about this.

And here comes the, "well, play it on another platform" reasoning...

I'm sorry, but I still don't think the PS3 bug deters from Skyrim's importance as a game. GOTY should stand for a game that truly was THE game to talk about, own, and play this year; the consensus from a huge amount of players and critics is that Skyrim is that game. I agree that the PS3 bug is inexcusable and I will be fine with the game not getting GOTY from PS3-only publications, but for holistic sites for GameSpot to give a backhand to a game simply because it has a game-breaking bug for one version of the game while the other versions are fine seems unfair.

The issue also varies for people; generally from what I'm seeing, the game lags if you have a large enough save file but the choppiness is fixed if you restart the PS3/Skyrim. Also, turning off the autosave functions or at least delaying them can help, as well as clearing out corrupt or excessive saves.

PC suffers from poor optimization,

painguy1

That's not true, at least for me and I have no high end PC.

Well, if that's how you feel TC, so be it. I know the game is really buggy, but I've still really enjoyed it so far.

I'm sorry, but I still don't think the PS3 bug deters from Skyrim's importance as a game. GOTY should stand for a game that truly was THE game to talk about, own, and play this year; the consensus from a huge amount of players and critics is that Skyrim is that game. I agree that the PS3 bug is inexcusable and I will be fine with the game not getting GOTY from PS3-only publications, but for holistic sites for GameSpot which can't rightfully give a backhand to a game simply because it has a game-breaking bug for one version of the game while the other versions are fine seems unfair.

princeofshapeir

I'd agree with you if 1) the bug did not render the game literally unplayable on one platform, and 2) Bethesda did not release it knowing about this problem and did not take peoples' money anyway. Knowlingly releasing a broken product for sale is wandering dangerously close to something we all know as "consumer fraud".

Bethesda intentionally screwed over thousands and thousands of their customers. That's not to be rewarded.

skyrim should not be allowed to be GotY simply because it's a game in alpha. only you're charged $60 to play that alpha.BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

The problem is no other game besides Skyrim deserves GOTY. You say Skyrim has shallow, repetitive gameplay? Name a game in the running for GOTY that doesn't have repetitive gameplay.

Arkham City? Fly here, beat up some bad guys, listen to some dialogue, repeat.

Uncharted 3? Watch cutscene, shoot some guys, solve a simple puzzle, repeat.

Portal 2? Go to test chamber, solve, repeat.

I could go on if I really wanted to. Yes, gaming is repetitive. Skyrim just does a better job at varying the tasks than other games do.

princeofshapeir

Huh, never thought of it that way...still there are the bugs of the PS3 version which could be bad for Skyrim's GOTY award. Afterall, if they give it GOTY they give it to every platform and calling the PS3 version of Skyrim GOTY is just crazy. :|

It got a 9.5 at IGN and even they suddenly found out about the problem and complained as well.GameSpot gave it a 9 simply because they too had to go out and purchase it as Bethesda did not send over a copy in advance. Of course these sites are strict in their review scores (even when they are wrong) so I don't expect them to change but FFS look at the Metacritic and the review scores, dude. The game has a 5.5 from the users and now only has 11 critic reviews. This is outrageous that Bethesda did this. :(