Why valve is the best developer

Naughty Dog is better. Valve is just a group of people who are too scared to work on the Ps3.

WiiMan21

Valve is better. Naughty dog is just a group of people who are too scared to work on the PC and Xbox 360.

Seewhutididthur?

Naughty Dog is better. Valve is just a group of people who are too scared to work on the Ps3.

WiiMan21

And naughty dog is too scared to work on anything but the PS3. Give me a break. Making good games is not the only thing to making great developers. Valve has changed Tf2 so much since launch (in a good way) that you would usually find this many upgrades in a sequel to a game. They really do care about their games. BTW Ps3 fanboys are not allowed here

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="goblaa"]

I just wish they could make more than one type of game...then they would be great.

oajlu

same engine, and similar gameplay (gun and run FPS)...beside that velve is not a small studio like Naughty Dog, velveowns many studios.

you dont see EA, ubisoft, or activision makes only 1 type of games.

even a stduio like blizzardmakes many differenttypes of games.

RTS (warcraft and startcraft), MMORPG (wow), coop RPG (diablo)

[QUOTE="lazzordude"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

I'd rather say Valve was an amazing dev. Right now, I'm not sure what to think of them considering how L4D is their only recent game.

Filthybastrd

Ok, I'll give you that but I still stand by my point. I'd lie to see ep 3 right about now and then it's probably time to leave Source to modders and indie devs.

Blizzard is way better then valve. Everything they make is nothing short of Gold.

TF2 and L4D are pretty much the best Multiplayer games this gen for me. GO TEAM SOLDIER!!Ace6301

YOU DESERVE A MEDAL.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]1. Valve 2. Bioware 3. Blizzard Killing Floor is better than L4D1 & 2. While Valve has made some very good games in the past they are on a bit of a decline with L4D. I think its time for Valve to move on to some new and more innovative ideas than just shooters.Aku101

I just wish they could make more than one type of game...then they would be great.

goblaa

See I am not the only one. Valve is currently a one-trick pony. They need to be more diverse.

You use the term "one trick pony' ignorantly, Valve has created several games and all are award winners in some aspect. Diversity is different from one trick pony. Anyway, if you tell Valve to stop making FPS, tell Dodge to stop making pickup-trucks

You use the term "one trick pony' ignorantly, Valve has created several games and all are award winners in some aspect. Diversity is different from one trick pony. Anyway, if you tell Valve to stop making FPS, tell Dodge to stop making pickup-trucks

OB-47

Where in my post did I say that Valve should stop making FPS? :|

Blizzard is way better then valve. Everything they make is nothing short of Gold.

Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

You use the term "one trick pony' ignorantly, Valve has created several games and all are award winners in some aspect. Diversity is different from one trick pony. Anyway, if you tell Valve to stop making FPS, tell Dodge to stop making pickup-trucks

Aku101

Where in my post did I say that Valve should stop making FPS? :|

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Blizzard is way better then valve. Everything they make is nothing short of Gold.

HoolaHoopMan

Totalyl agreed here. Blizzard also supports their gamers and makes awesome games. Most people have the wrong idea here and think that devs that make good games are good devs. Valve keeps their games alive after their release

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Blizzard is way better then valve. Everything they make is nothing short of Gold.

OB-47

Totalyl agreed here. Blizzard also supports their gamers and makes awesome games. Most people have the wrong idea here and think that devs that make good games are good devs. Valve keeps their games alive after their release

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

You use the term "one trick pony' ignorantly, Valve has created several games and all are award winners in some aspect. Diversity is different from one trick pony. Anyway, if you tell Valve to stop making FPS, tell Dodge to stop making pickup-trucks

Aku101

Where in my post did I say that Valve should stop making FPS? :|

By divirsity i thought u meant genre. But obviously not. Then what do you mean? Enviroments? Totally different in each game. Story? Still different. The gameplay? Still different. So i fail to see what 'diversity' is meant here

[QUOTE="lazzordude"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] How can you want those Cycloptic scots to win!? What if Valve gives them a nuke!? If team soldier wins we all get to go to the Zoo!Ace6301

Dat demos a spy!

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

You use the term "one trick pony' ignorantly, Valve has created several games and all are award winners in some aspect. Diversity is different from one trick pony. Anyway, if you tell Valve to stop making FPS, tell Dodge to stop making pickup-trucks

OB-47

Where in my post did I say that Valve should stop making FPS? :|

By divirsity i thought u meant genre. But obviously not. Then what do you mean? Enviroments? Totally different in each game. Story? Still different. The gameplay? Still different. So i fail to see what 'diversity' is meant here

By diversity I meant genre but how does making games of a different genre translate to stop making FPS games? :?

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="lazzordude"] NOOO, i have 150 hours as soldier...but i still want demo to win!!!lazzordude

TEAM SOLDIER FTW! We hopefully will go to the zoo, unless its a farm

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Where in my post did I say that Valve should stop making FPS? :|

Aku101

By divirsity i thought u meant genre. But obviously not. Then what do you mean? Enviroments? Totally different in each game. Story? Still different. The gameplay? Still different. So i fail to see what 'diversity' is meant here

By diversity I meant genre but how does making games of a different genre translate to stop making FPS games? :?

I thought FPS was a genre. So what do you mean then in 'genre'

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

You use the term "one trick pony' ignorantly, Valve has created several games and all are award winners in some aspect. Diversity is different from one trick pony. Anyway, if you tell Valve to stop making FPS, tell Dodge to stop making pickup-trucks

lazzordude

Where in my post did I say that Valve should stop making FPS? :|

Simple. x amount of employees work on one project then work on the next one after the previous project is done. Was that so hard?

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

By divirsity i thought u meant genre. But obviously not. Then what do you mean? Enviroments? Totally different in each game. Story? Still different. The gameplay? Still different. So i fail to see what 'diversity' is meant here

OB-47

By diversity I meant genre but how does making games of a different genre translate to stop making FPS games? :?

I thought FPS was a genre. So what do you mean then in 'genre'

Make games other than FPS. Blizzard made an MMO but they didn't stop making RTS games

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

By diversity I meant genre but how does making games of a different genre translate to stop making FPS games? :?

Aku101

I thought FPS was a genre. So what do you mean then in 'genre'

Make games other than FPS. Blizzard made an MMO but they didn't stop making RTS games

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

By diversity I meant genre but how does making games of a different genre translate to stop making FPS games? :?

Aku101

I thought FPS was a genre. So what do you mean then in 'genre'

Make games other than FPS. Blizzard made an MMO but they didn't stop making RTS games

Valve now owns DOTA by the way, maybe they're taking their time with it the same way Blizzard does (which does end in good results).

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

By diversity I meant genre but how does making games of a different genre translate to stop making FPS games? :?

Aku101

I thought FPS was a genre. So what do you mean then in 'genre'

Make games other than FPS. Blizzard made an MMO but they didn't stop making RTS games

I see your point now but still i think they should stick to FPS

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

I thought FPS was a genre. So what do you mean then in 'genre'

lazzordude

Make games other than FPS. Blizzard made an MMO but they didn't stop making RTS games

Starcraft 2 will be released soon. Even if it's not released yet Blizzard was still working on it so my original point still stands. All Valve does is make FPS after FPS. They don't know how to make any other type of game.

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

Naughty Dog is better. Valve is just a group of people who are too scared to work on the Ps3.

brandontwb

also, to stay on topic: I don't like what valve is doing...I like Halflife, but most of their "newer" games just feel like intermissions.

If I had to chose, I'd say Bioware/Bethesda

I'm tempted to include CD Projekt in the list as well based on heresy from friends.

[QUOTE="lazzordude"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Make games other than FPS. Blizzard made an MMO but they didn't stop making RTS games

Aku101

Starcraft 2 will be released soon. Even if it's not released yet Blizzard was still working on it so my original point still stands. All Valve does is make FPS after FPS. They don't know how to make any other type of game.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

I thought FPS was a genre. So what do you mean then in 'genre'

OB-47

Make games other than FPS. Blizzard made an MMO but they didn't stop making RTS games

I see your point now but still i think they should stick to FPS

Valve is only hurting themselves by sticking to one genre. It's like an actor sticking to the same role in every movie or acting in the same types of movies every single time. Who's to say valve can't excel at RTS games?

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="lazzordude"]name one rts that has been released since wow has been released....lazzordude

Starcraft 2 will be released soon. Even if it's not released yet Blizzard was still working on it so my original point still stands. All Valve does is make FPS after FPS. They don't know how to make any other type of game.

First person view

You have a gun to shoot with

Portal is an FPS.

Valve is Awshum

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Make games other than FPS. Blizzard made an MMO but they didn't stop making RTS games

Aku101

I see your point now but still i think they should stick to FPS

Valve is only hurting themselves by sticking to one genre. It's like an actor sticking to the same role in every movie or acting in the same types of movies every single time. Who's to say valve can't excel at RTS games?

IceFrog joined Valve and is currently leasing a team to further develop DOTA.

[QUOTE="lazzordude"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Starcraft 2 will be released soon. Even if it's not released yet Blizzard was still working on it so my original point still stands. All Valve does is make FPS after FPS. They don't know how to make any other type of game.

Aku101

First person view

You have a gun to shoot with

Portal is an FPS.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Make games other than FPS. Blizzard made an MMO but they didn't stop making RTS games

Aku101

I see your point now but still i think they should stick to FPS

Valve is only hurting themselves by sticking to one genre. It's like an actor sticking to the same role in every movie or acting in the same types of movies every single time. Who's to say valve can't excel at RTS games?

why cant i shoot pokemon? i mean would make a good game... pokemon monster go rogue and as ash ketchup you must kill them all...

valve has to be one of the most overrated developers ever, it's not that they are bad but they are average at best, except for portal, there is no games that they did that i was inpressed by or had a lot of fun playing

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

I see your point now but still i think they should stick to FPS

Vesica_Prime

Valve is only hurting themselves by sticking to one genre. It's like an actor sticking to the same role in every movie or acting in the same types of movies every single time. Who's to say valve can't excel at RTS games?

IceFrog joined Valve and is currently leasing a team to further develop DOTA.

I don't know much about DOTA or this icefrog person but it's part of battle.net so blizzard owns the rights to that custom map.

[QUOTE="lazzordude"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Starcraft 2 will be released soon. Even if it's not released yet Blizzard was still working on it so my original point still stands. All Valve does is make FPS after FPS. They don't know how to make any other type of game.

Aku101

First person view

You have a gun to shoot with

Portal is an FPS.

Its first person but a puzzler so...

FPP (First person puzzler)

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="lazzordude"] portal is a puzzle game, NOT a shooterlazzordude

First person view

You have a gun to shoot with

Portal is an FPS.

Sure why not gta4 can be cosnidered as an open-world racing game.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Valve is only hurting themselves by sticking to one genre. It's like an actor sticking to the same role in every movie or acting in the same types of movies every single time. Who's to say valve can't excel at RTS games?

Aku101

IceFrog joined Valve and is currently leasing a team to further develop DOTA.

I don't know much about DOTA or this icefrog person but it's part of battle.net so blizzard owns the rights to that custom map.

No Blizzard doesn't own the rights to DOTA at all, as everything is custom built apart from models/textures which are easily subsitituted by the ones made by Valve themselves. And how exactly does Blizzard own the rights to a map?

FYI IceFrog is the lead developer of DOTA.

Oh my. I found the nerve.

Forget what they release for a minute, and look at how Gabe presents himself and the company. Who in their right mind says stuff like this:

"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a 'do over.' Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.'"Gabe Newell

How is that good for the gaming community? It's totally unprofessional.

Even if we forget about that nonsense, I'm not sure I agree with all the "innovations", outside of their usage of Source. It's groundbreaking how much content they have created with the same old story. :lol:

I'm not denying people have enjoyed their games, I'm just not one of them. Too much filler.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="lazzordude"] portal is a puzzle game, NOT a shooterlazzordude

First person view

You have a gun to shoot with

Portal is an FPS.

Best racing game ever.

GT5 = pwned.

Naughty Dog is better. Valve is just a group of people who are too scared to work on the Ps3.

valve has to be one of the most overrated developers ever, it's not that they are bad but they are average at best, except for portal, there is no games that they did that i was inpressed by or had a lot of fun playing

da_illest101

[QUOTE="lazzordude"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

First person view

You have a gun to shoot with

Portal is an FPS.

Aku101

Sure why not gta4 can be cosnidered as an open-world racing game.

wait half-life 2 has driving sections makes it a driving sim like GT5, l4d 2 can be scary so its a survival horror game like silent hill. portal is not only a puzzle game but a platformer so its like U2. TF2 requires the strategic placement of turrets, stickies, etc so its like SC2 where placement is everything. hmmmm it seems valve is the best, it only does everything!

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Make games other than FPS. Blizzard made an MMO but they didn't stop making RTS games

Aku101

I see your point now but still i think they should stick to FPS

Valve is only hurting themselves by sticking to one genre. It's like an actor sticking to the same role in every movie or acting in the same types of movies every single time. Who's to say valve can't excel at RTS games?

[QUOTE="lazzordude"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

First person view

You have a gun to shoot with

Portal is an FPS.

Aku101

Sure why not gta4 can be cosnidered as an open-world racing game.