Why valve is the best developer

valve is not so talented anymore. they became lazy and make up excuses developing for the ps3. activition is the best for this gen. valve is last gen :)iwasgood2u

valve is not so talented anymore. they became lazy and make up excuses developing for the ps3. activition is the best for this gen. valve is last gen :)iwasgood2u

What we have here is an overdose of fail.

valve is not so talented anymore. they became lazy and make up excuses developing for the ps3. activition is the best for this gen. valve is last gen :)iwasgood2u

[QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Such as?Ace6301

CSS' zombie mod
zombie master

there are more but zombie master is by far the best, and i even liked it more than L4D. It supports a lot more players and the objectives in each of the 100 or so maps are are very unique.

I prefer the hunker down and barricade type gameplay to just run and gun. Makes the game feel more like a cla$$ic zombie movie.

valve is not so talented anymore. they became lazy and make up excuses developing for the ps3. activition is the best for this gen. valve is last gen :)iwasgood2u

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

CSS' zombie mod
zombie master

there are more but zombie master is by far the best, and i even liked it more than L4D. It supports a lot more players and the objectives in each of the 100 or so maps are are very unique.

Pdiddy105

I prefer the hunker down and barricade type gameplay to just run and gun. Makes the game feel more like a cla$$ic zombie movie.

I didn't like Half-Like...

Edit: I could say I half-liked Half-Life.

BattleTurtles

valve is not so talented anymore. they became lazy and make up excuses developing for the ps3. activition is the best for this gen. valve is last gen :)iwasgood2u

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[QUOTE="iwasgood2u"]valve is not so talented anymore. they became lazy and make up excuses developing for the ps3. activition is the best for this gen. valve is last gen :)Vesica_Prime

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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="iwasgood2u"]valve is not so talented anymore. they became lazy and make up excuses developing for the ps3. activition is the best for this gen. valve is last gen :)iwasgood2u

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Yep, you are going to die.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="iwasgood2u"]valve is not so talented anymore. they became lazy and make up excuses developing for the ps3. activition is the best for this gen. valve is last gen :)iwasgood2u

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Atleast Gabe isn't going to milk me dry for every crappy mappack, online play and wouldn't have a price hike on his games unlike this guy.

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[QUOTE="Iantheone"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

I just wish they could make more than one type of game...then they would be great.

shakmaster13

See I am not the only one. Valve is currently a one-trick pony. They need to be more diverse.

Well in that case I think that ND is a one trick pony since they only make platformers, square enix is a one trick pony since they only make JRPGS, etc, etc. Also, sony is a one trick pony in the gaming industry because they only have the playstation.

Well, N doesn't only make platformers. They make FPSs, adventure games, RPGs, puzzles, etc...

SE once tried to expand by making fighters and shooters and brawlers, but they failed. Now they just make FF and a bunch of crappy spin-offs. SE is just as bad as valve thee days.

Sony makes all sorts of games from adventure to racing, to action.

Valve makes a shooter for multi-player, a shooter for story, and a shooter for puzzles. That's it. If valve was truley a great dev, they would have the talent to do more than one genre.

Half Life 2 did nothing for the FPS genera.

Half Life 2 had a terrible narrative

The modders mad an awesome modding scene

Sorry but Valve just gets way more credit than it deserves.

i like valve, but my favorites are still capcom and bioware.

[QUOTE="iwasgood2u"]valve is not so talented anymore. they became lazy and make up excuses developing for the ps3. activition is the best for this gen. valve is last gen :)Arctic_Grillz

Not a fan of HL.

Love CS and TF2, L4D is meh (I play it for the laughs).

Bungie is better

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[QUOTE="Aku101"]

See I am not the only one. Valve is currently a one-trick pony. They need to be more diverse.

goblaa

Well in that case I think that ND is a one trick pony since they only make platformers, square enix is a one trick pony since they only make JRPGS, etc, etc. Also, sony is a one trick pony in the gaming industry because they only have the playstation.

Well, N doesn't only make platformers. They make FPSs, adventure games, RPGs, puzzles, etc...

SE once tried to expand by making fighters and shooters and brawlers, but they failed. Now they just make FF and a bunch of crappy spin-offs. SE is just as bad as valve thee days.

Sony makes all sorts of games from adventure to racing, to action.

Valve makes a shooter for multi-player, a shooter for story, and a shooter for puzzles. That's it. If valve was truley a great dev, they would have the talent to do more than one genre.

Half Life 2 did nothing for the FPS genera.

htekemerald

Gravity gun, nuff said.

Best things Valve have done are mods and Steam.

Half Life and Left 4 Dead make me scratch my head and wonder.

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Half Life 2 did nothing for the FPS genera.

Vesica_Prime

Gravity gun, nuff said.

Oh wait...

RareWare Revolutionized FPSs after Doom.

Think about it.

Golden Eye and Perfect Dark both have elements that Doom didn't have and are still used in todays FPSs.

But they didn't create Starcraft. ArisShadows

FPS, not RTS

But they're not Blizzard. ArisShadows

Fixed that up a little for ya.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Half Life 2 did nothing for the FPS genera.

htekemerald

Gravity gun, nuff said.

Oh wait...

-Portal

-Dead Space.

-Bioshock.

-Doom 3 Ressurection of Evil

-Crysis

All high profile games, and they have a variation of the gravity gun.

I love Valve for TF2 and their community support. The rest of their games are meh to me.

Half Life 2 did nothing for the FPS genera.

Half Life 2 had a terrible narrative

The modders mad an awesome modding scene

Sorry but Valve just gets way more credit than it deserves.

htekemerald

Yeah having Valve help the modders with extra tools, support and recognition doesn't mean anything.

I agree with the TC. My PC isn't that good though so I'm hoping they will release the TF2 updates for the Xbox.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]1. Valve 2. Bioware 3. Blizzard Killing Floor is better than L4D1 & 2. While Valve has made some very good games in the past they are on a bit of a decline with L4D. I think its time for Valve to move on to some new and more innovative ideas than just shooters.Aku101

I just wish they could make more than one type of game...then they would be great.

goblaa

See I am not the only one. Valve is currently a one-trick pony. They need to be more diverse.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

I just wish they could make more than one type of game...then they would be great.

biggest_loser

See I am not the only one. Valve is currently a one-trick pony. They need to be more diverse.

That's quite a claim.

Portal might be a puzzle game, but Valve zipped it up to look like an FPS.

[QUOTE="lazzordude"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Starcraft 2 will be released soon. Even if it's not released yet Blizzard was still working on it so my original point still stands. All Valve does is make FPS after FPS. They don't know how to make any other type of game.

Aku101

First person view

You have a gun to shoot with

Portal is an FPS.

[QUOTE="brandontwb"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Valve is only hurting themselves by sticking to one genre. It's like an actor sticking to the same role in every movie or acting in the same types of movies every single time. Who's to say valve can't excel at RTS games?

Aku101

Or maybe because valve has no talent in anything other than FPS.

Simbin only make Sims

Square Enix only makes JRPGs

Ferrari only makes sport cars

If you are good at something then stick with it and don't fail at another area.

Reason for me why i think valve is one of the best is the support to the community.

Countless mods for PC using the source engine some of which are better than alot of A and AA games=Priceless Also they do make great games although in that aspect i think there are a couple of better devs

Finally they made the best FPS ever ( ok ok puzzle ) called Portal ( 5-6 of the best hours of my videogame life ). Trully one of the best Videogames

Left 4 Dead breaks new ground certainly. It's a a pretty unique game actually. No other game has the same type of Versus play where you have to get to the end of the level with regenerating zombies and the same coop elements it has.brandontwb

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

Which both charge you and clobber the piss out of you...effectively, same concept.

And many of Left 4 Dead's enemies are just variations on the same idea....they grab you and attack you and your teammates have to free you. Incidentally, clots in Killing Floor are exactly the same thing.

In other words, been there, done that. Left 4 Dead breaks no new ground. The only reason none of you know this is because Killing Floor was an obscure mod by a developer none of you heard of whereas Left 4 Dead has the support of millions of lemmings who've never heard the word "mod" before....and because Valve distributes Killing Floor and Red Orchestra, which means any conflict of interest would affect both Tripwire's (developer of KF) and Valve's income.

HoolaHoopMan

Except that killing floor is piss poor compared to Left 4 dead. All you do is survive until everyone dies. They're objectives in L4D, crescendo events, both camping and running now.

Plus the Boomer doesn't do "Acid Damage" at all, it attracts the horde, something anyone who has even PLAYED the game know about. The similarities of the games are obivously there, but Left 4 dead stomps it into the ground, really hard.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="lazzordude"] portal is a puzzle game, NOT a shootertbone802

First person view

You have a gun to shoot with

Portal is an FPS.

[QUOTE="ThePRAssassin"]

The real question is how is that bad for the gaming community.

They don't like the PS3. Plenty of other developers were saying the same thing, only reason why they had a change of heart is because they don't have a fanbase. Valve has it's fanbase, and that's on the PC. It's not even worth spending time to learn how to develop for PS3 because they won't benefit from it in any way. Besides, doesn't every PS3 owner own an uber1337 PC?

Was it unprofessional? Sure, but it's not even a serious issue. PS3 is the one losing out on games because Sony tries to overcomplicate things.

musicalmac

[QUOTE="tbone802"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

First person view

You have a gun to shoot with

Portal is an FPS.

Trmpt

No, it is not.

That's quite a claim.muzik_mafia

[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="tbone802"] The most sig'd poster on SW strikes again!789shadow

No, it is not.

[QUOTE="brandontwb"]Left 4 Dead breaks new ground certainly. It's a a pretty unique game actually. No other game has the same type of Versus play where you have to get to the end of the level with regenerating zombies and the same coop elements it has.Brownesque

I really hope that's deliberate ignorance.

Yes I have played them and L4D is quite original compared to them.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

Which both charge you and clobber the piss out of you...effectively, same concept.

And many of Left 4 Dead's enemies are just variations on the same idea....they grab you and attack you and your teammates have to free you. Incidentally, clots in Killing Floor are exactly the same thing.

In other words, been there, done that. Left 4 Dead breaks no new ground. The only reason none of you know this is because Killing Floor was an obscure mod by a developer none of you heard of whereas Left 4 Dead has the support of millions of lemmings who've never heard the word "mod" before....and because Valve distributes Killing Floor and Red Orchestra, which means any conflict of interest would affect both Tripwire's (developer of KF) and Valve's income.

Brownesque

Except that killing floor is piss poor compared to Left 4 dead. All you do is survive until everyone dies. They're objectives in L4D, crescendo events, both camping and running now.

Plus the Boomer doesn't do "Acid Damage" at all, it attracts the horde, something anyone who has even PLAYED the game know about. The similarities of the games are obivously there, but Left 4 dead stomps it into the ground, really hard.

Im sorry but L4D's boomer attracted EVEN MORE hordes at ONLY ONE PERSON. The zombies are always after u but the vomit makes it worse. Secondly just look at L4D's score and fanbase compared to killingfloor.

Valve and Bioware are the best with Blizzard up there to.

It always makes me laugh when haters say Valve sucks or Valve is overrated. They have made some of the best games ever.

[QUOTE="brandontwb"]Left 4 Dead breaks new ground certainly. It's a a pretty unique game actually. No other game has the same type of Versus play where you have to get to the end of the level with regenerating zombies and the same coop elements it has.Brownesque

Zombie mod is horrible

The one thing i wish they did was make updates for CSS. Like persistant score tracking or somethin

[QUOTE="brandontwb"]Left 4 Dead breaks new ground certainly. It's a a pretty unique game actually. No other game has the same type of Versus play where you have to get to the end of the level with regenerating zombies and the same coop elements it has.Brownesque

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

[QUOTE="brandontwb"]Left 4 Dead breaks new ground certainly. It's a a pretty unique game actually. No other game has the same type of Versus play where you have to get to the end of the level with regenerating zombies and the same coop elements it has.Skittles_McGee