Why valve is the best developer

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

IceFrog joined Valve and is currently leasing a team to further develop DOTA.

Vesica_Prime

I don't know much about DOTA or this icefrog person but it's part of battle.net so blizzard owns the rights to that custom map.

No Blizzard doesn't own the rights to DOTA at all, as everything is custom built apart from models/textures which are easily subsitituted by the ones made by Valve themselves. And how exactly does Blizzard own the rights to a map?

FYI IceFrog is the lead developer of DOTA.

I menat as Blizzard owns the rights to the textures and mdoels as well as the name. You can't make a standalone game and name it "DOTA".

Knowing valve it will just be another FPS anyway but i'm willing to be surprised.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

I see your point now but still i think they should stick to FPS

brandontwb

Valve is only hurting themselves by sticking to one genre. It's like an actor sticking to the same role in every movie or acting in the same types of movies every single time. Who's to say valve can't excel at RTS games?

Or maybe because valve has no talent in anything other than FPS.

[QUOTE="brandontwb"][QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

Naughty Dog is better. Valve is just a group of people who are too scared to work on the Ps3.

verbalfilth

also, to stay on topic: I don't like what valve is doing...I like Halflife, but most of their "newer" games just feel like intermissions.

If I had to chose, I'd say Bioware/Bethesda

I'm tempted to include CD Projekt in the list as well based on heresy from friends.

How is that good for the gaming community? It's totally unprofessional.

musicalmac

The real question is how is that bad for the gaming community.

They don't like the PS3. Plenty of other developers were saying the same thing, only reason why they had a change of heart is because they don't have a fanbase. Valve has it's fanbase, and that's on the PC. It's not even worth spending time to learn how to develop for PS3 because they won't benefit from it in any way. Besides, doesn't every PS3 owner own an uber1337 PC?

Was it unprofessional? Sure, but it's not even a serious issue. PS3 is the one losing out on games because Sony tries to overcomplicate things.

[QUOTE="brandontwb"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Valve is only hurting themselves by sticking to one genre. It's like an actor sticking to the same role in every movie or acting in the same types of movies every single time. Who's to say valve can't excel at RTS games?

Aku101

Or maybe because valve has no talent in anything other than FPS.

[QUOTE="brandontwb"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Valve is only hurting themselves by sticking to one genre. It's like an actor sticking to the same role in every movie or acting in the same types of movies every single time. Who's to say valve can't excel at RTS games?

Aku101

Or maybe because valve has no talent in anything other than FPS.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]That's absurd. You should see their mod tools, community tools (Steam, IMO, is the best thing to happen to PC gaming), and mod support. They provide free DLC to all of their PC games, content packs with absolutely obscene features.....TF2 wasn't even recognizable to me when I last booted it up. They added new game modes, new maps, new weapons and accessories....it's insane. Orange Box was the best gaming deal in recent memory, and they continue to pack in great software. The fact that they even host downloads and auto-updates for mods like Insurgency and Mare Nostrum is pretty sick. In my experience no one, absolutely no one has the right to complain about Valve's community support, and if you do, shame on you and I hope that you have the honesty and self respect to rail publicly and often about the abuses of Infinity Ward and Microsoft....and maybe take a shot at Apple's closed platform proprietary BS once in a while, mister iMac.musicalmac

Oh my. I found the nerve.

Forget what they release for a minute, and look at how Gabe presents himself and the company. Who in their right mind says stuff like this:

"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a 'do over.' Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.'"Gabe Newell

How is that good for the gaming community? It's totally unprofessional.

Even if we forget about that nonsense, I'm not sure I agree with all the "innovations", outside of their usage of Source. It's groundbreaking how much content they have created with the same old story. :lol:

I'm not denying people have enjoyed their games, I'm just not one of them. Too much filler.

So he isn't allowed to display his displeasure at a system he finds hard to develop for (which the guys at Sony actually admitted)? Just because he supplies entertainment doesn't mean he has to be a robot and do his job, human beings have feelings he is not a exception.

The real question is how is that bad for the gaming community.

They don't like the PS3. Plenty of other developers were saying the same thing, only reason why they had a change of heart is because they don't have a fanbase. Valve has it's fanbase, and that's on the PC. It's not even worth spending time to learn how to develop for PS3 because they won't benefit from it in any way. Besides, doesn't every PS3 owner own an uber1337 PC?

Was it unprofessional? Sure, but it's not even a serious issue. PS3 is the one losing out on games because Sony tries to overcomplicate things.

ThePRAssassin

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

I don't know much about DOTA or this icefrog person but it's part of battle.net so blizzard owns the rights to that custom map.

Aku101

No Blizzard doesn't own the rights to DOTA at all, as everything is custom built apart from models/textures which are easily subsitituted by the ones made by Valve themselves. And how exactly does Blizzard own the rights to a map?

FYI IceFrog is the lead developer of DOTA.

I menat as Blizzard owns the rights to the textures and mdoels as well as the name. You can't make a standalone game and name it "DOTA".

Knowing valve it will just be another FPS anyway but i'm willing to be surprised.

You do realize it isn't hard for a paid team to just recreate the models from scratch and all the textures? And if you even knew what DOTA is, it is a RPG/RTS hybrid so I don't see how you can integrate first person shooting into it.

So he isn't allowed to display his displeasure at a system he finds hard to develop for (which the guys at Sony actually admitted)? Just because he supplies entertainment doesn't mean he has to be a robot and do his job, human beings have feelings he is not a exception.

Vesica_Prime

Hey, it's just my opinion on the matter. I don't like that kind of over-the-top crazy hot air. "I don't like developing for the PS3" is different than what he said.

I'm still sore about the original ending to Half-Life 2. That was a special kind of bad.musicalmac

Then you should have been sore about the ending of the first one as well, since both ended with the G-Man extradicting Gordon out and trying to put him into stasis. They were planning on continuing the story, so a cliff hanger was obvious. It happens with a lot of games in a series, however they chose to do it that way to reflect the ending in the first one.

...however they chose to do it that way to reflect the ending in the first one.

HoolaHoopMan

valve has to be one of the most overrated developers ever, it's not that they are bad but they are average at best, except for portal, there is no games that they did that i was inpressed by or had a lot of fun playing

da_illest101

[QUOTE="verbalfilth"]

[QUOTE="brandontwb"]What makes you say that? They don't want to invest money in technology that is going nowhere.brandontwb

also, to stay on topic: I don't like what valve is doing...I like Halflife, but most of their "newer" games just feel like intermissions.

If I had to chose, I'd say Bioware/Bethesda

I'm tempted to include CD Projekt in the list as well based on heresy from friends.

The initial question at hand is why valve isn't deving on the PS3...

to which you replied "they don't want to invest money in tech that is going nowhere."

to which I replied, "how exactly is the PS3 going no where?"

to which you replied, " I never said the PS3 is going no where, I'm talking about the 'cell.'"

To which I reply, "How do you differentiate a console from its core foundation?"

you definitely didn't specify you were talking about Cell tech when you were replying to a person who mentioned the PS3.

which brings us back again to "how exactly is the PS3 going 'nowhere?'"

As for your bringing Newell into the discussion, I'll simply state I agree with that point. He really knows what's best for his own company. a lot of devs were afraid to work on the PS3 much like him although they were at least more civil about expressing their emotions... Moreover lots of third party devs have jumped into making games on the PS3 and have managed to walk away with their pride intact haven't they?

Aside from that, I think the PS3 and its cell technology has more than proven what its capable of

calling it technology that goes no where is a huge understatement imo....

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

So he isn't allowed to display his displeasure at a system he finds hard to develop for (which the guys at Sony actually admitted)? Just because he supplies entertainment doesn't mean he has to be a robot and do his job, human beings have feelings he is not a exception.

musicalmac

Hey, it's just my opinion on the matter. I don't like that kind of over-the-top crazy hot air. "I don't like developing for the PS3" is different than what he said.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

...however they chose to do it that way to reflect the ending in the first one.

musicalmac

And alas we've come to an impasse. Agree to disagree.HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

So he isn't allowed to display his displeasure at a system he finds hard to develop for (which the guys at Sony actually admitted)? Just because he supplies entertainment doesn't mean he has to be a robot and do his job, human beings have feelings he is not a exception.

Javy03

Hey, it's just my opinion on the matter. I don't like that kind of over-the-top crazy hot air. "I don't like developing for the PS3" is different than what he said.

I don't think Gabe ever attacked the Xbox 360...? So how does he 'hates trying anything that different from PCs' when he made a port of the Orange Box to the Xbox 360 without a hassle. And again why can't he use his freedom of expression to display his displeasure for a console that the guys at Sony actually admitted to being hard to develop for?

I disagree. I think Valve is "ok." Half-Life is sorta fun I suppose.

I own the Orange Box, but couldn't bring myself to beat Half-Life 2.

I will someday though..

I think Bioware is the best developer imo.

Anyone else think that the source engine is starting to show its age?

Anyone else think that the source engine is starting to show its age?

Mattizzle815

Anyone else think that the source engine is starting to show its age?

Mattizzle815

Agreed, they should start making a new engine now.

I do like Valve but I wish they would update the VAC for CS 1.6.

[QUOTE="Mattizzle815"]

Anyone else think that the source engine is starting to show its age?

Vesica_Prime

Agreed, they should start making a new engine now.

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

I just wish they could make more than one type of game...then they would be great.

HoolaHoopMan

Well, they do. They all have the same controls, are all in the same perspective, and all have guns.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="goblaa"]

I just wish they could make more than one type of game...then they would be great.

goblaa

Well, they do. They all have the same controls, are all in the same perspective, and all have guns.

Are you serious?:|

I don't think Gabe ever attacked the Xbox 360...? So how does he 'hates trying anything that different from PCs' when he made a port of the Orange Box to the Xbox 360 without a hassle. And again why can't he use his freedom of expression to display his displeasure for a console that the guys at Sony actually admitted to being hard to develop for?

Vesica_Prime

I am a big fan of their left 4 dead games over 400 hours into the first Left 4 dead PC version.

[QUOTE="Mattizzle815"]

Anyone else think that the source engine is starting to show its age?

ferret-gamer

Valve arent good but they arent the best developer, especially this generation.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="goblaa"]

I just wish they could make more than one type of game...then they would be great.

goblaa

Well, they do. They all have the same controls, are all in the same perspective, and all have guns.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]1. Valve 2. Bioware 3. Blizzard Killing Floor is better than L4D1 & 2. While Valve has made some very good games in the past they are on a bit of a decline with L4D. I think its time for Valve to move on to some new and more innovative ideas than just shooters.Aku101

I just wish they could make more than one type of game...then they would be great.

goblaa

See I am not the only one. Valve is currently a one-trick pony. They need to be more diverse.

Well in that case I think that ND is a one trick pony since they only make platformers, square enix is a one trick pony since they only make JRPGS, etc, etc. Also, sony is a one trick pony in the gaming industry because they only have the playstation.

They are an excellent developer.

Valve has made consistently excellent games. Very few companies have a back catalog as impressive as they do. Maybe Blizzard, Bioware and id.

Anyone who says Valve is a one trick pony clearly hasn't played their games.

Not a fan of their games.

Usually seem rushed and they've been using the same ugly engine since 2004.

Usually seem rushed

urdead18

All I have to say is...

I don't even have words to describe my shock at your statement.

Not a fan of their games.

Usually seem rushed and they've been using the same ugly engine since 2004.

urdead18

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Usually seem rushed

shakmaster13

All I have to say is...

I don't even have words to describe my shock at your statement.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Usually seem rushed

Ace6301

All I have to say is...

I don't even have words to describe my shock at your statement.

I really like Valve, but it seems I like them for different reasons alltogether...

Valve stands by thier products, Keep working on thier titles even after release. They sure as heck listen to thier community seeing as if there is a vocal outburst about something it is very likely to get changed.

Most devs (more likely pubs) do not update thier game a year or 2 after it is released, If there were problems with it, well tought luck.

This is kind of the reason why I like Valve (and Blizzard, Bioware) You can be pretty darn sure the games will run, and you get a mindblowing amount of support for it.

On a sidenote they do make some pretty good fps games (was not the biggest fan of HL2, but let that one rest)

L4D is not innovative. There are quite a few mods out there that provide a similar experience.

L4D is not innovative. There are quite a few mods out there that provide a similar experience.

Pdiddy105

L4D is not innovative. There are quite a few mods out there that provide a similar experience.

Pdiddy105

valve made counerstrike?chunkymonkey313

Technically yes, a valve employee made the mod IIRC.

[QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

L4D is not innovative. There are quite a few mods out there that provide a similar experience.

Ace6301

CSS' zombie mod
zombie master

there are more but zombie master is by far the best, and i even liked it more than L4D. It supports a lot more players and the objectives in each of the 100 or so maps are are very unique.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

L4D is not innovative. There are quite a few mods out there that provide a similar experience.

Pdiddy105

CSS' zombie mod
zombie master

there are more but zombie master is by far the best, and i even liked it more than L4D. It supports a lot more players and the objectives in each of the 100 or so maps are are very unique.

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

No Blizzard doesn't own the rights to DOTA at all, as everything is custom built apart from models/textures which are easily subsitituted by the ones made by Valve themselves. And how exactly does Blizzard own the rights to a map?

FYI IceFrog is the lead developer of DOTA.

I menat as Blizzard owns the rights to the textures and mdoels as well as the name. You can't make a standalone game and name it "DOTA".

Knowing valve it will just be another FPS anyway but i'm willing to be surprised.

You do realize it isn't hard for a paid team to just recreate the models from scratch and all the textures? And if you even knew what DOTA is, it is a RPG/RTS hybrid so I don't see how you can integrate first person shooting into it.