Wii is ruining gaming? The Official Ownage to Wii Haters *requests sticky*

[QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

^^^StryderK put the nail in the coffin

now, hopefully, i will stop hearin the stupid "wii is ruining gaming" and "wii is for casuals only"

i hope

Gamer46

It will stop when Nintendo decides to make it stop and the only way that will happen is if they start trying to get serious about the hardcore gamer, which they haven't. And don't go throwing SMG, SSBB, Zelda, Metroid or any other old franchise in my face. They have plenty of time to make new crap like Wii Fit for the non-gamers, well then they should certainly have time to make a new RPG or a new Platform series. When this happens then I will truly believe they're trying to cater to everybody. And getting a real online set up wouldn't hurt either.

says you :roll:

let me do that again incase you didnt read the first line.... :roll:

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="Dencore"]

And why are people ignoring my initial post like a plague?

Dencore

Seriously their making small punts.

Ignoring what I said.

Changing the subject and making assumptions that have no base.

And are just flat out lying

Just because your console of choice isn't winning doesn't mean you have to wish for a "death future" so that others can't enjoy success. The Wii isn't going to kill gaming and it's future looks brighter then it did before with better games selling and new announcements.

Sit down. Shut up. Stop acting like a child. And get over it.

Indeed. Fanboys are ridiculous. Anyway great post. I fully agree. Nintendo isn't killing anything. Its called expansion. And the expansion is abysmal at that.

Also, when has Nintendo really put out a fresh new franchise that you want as a core gamer. Pokemon I think was their lastdlp21

Eternal Darkness was not developed by Nintendo, but they did publish it and that was one of the key games, along with obviously Metroid that made me get a GC. I just don't see why if Nintendo has time to work on Wii Fit why they or one of their second parties can't put out a new RPG or a new action game. Just give me something, I don't even care if it's something more light hearted.

[QUOTE="Polaris_choice"][QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Sales... again?

It's because of its sales that it is ruining gaming. If enough devs become greedy (publishers actually), they'd just churn out shovelware after shovelware of crappy minigames. The epic games would die out if they don't make the cash.

StryderK

:lol: Nice totally ignoring the whole post. I pretty much prooved they'd make less money making shovelware.

Where are you getting yoru RE4 sales info? The title has sold over a million units among all its consoles. Capcom even stated it was the reason they had a great year in 2005 and I dont see that being possible with only 300,000 copies especially a high budget title like that.

Sigh, another one that need to read the TC's post more carefully! He meant RE 4 Wii version!

Well considering it was released on 3 other platforms starting off with the Gamecube 2 years ago How would you expect it to sell much more? Fact is the Wii is the home of casual trash and the only decent games coming to it are the big titles from Nintendo themselves.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

^^^StryderK put the nail in the coffin

now, hopefully, i will stop hearin the stupid "wii is ruining gaming" and "wii is for casuals only"

i hope

anasbouzid

It will stop when Nintendo decides to make it stop and the only way that will happen is if they start trying to get serious about the hardcore gamer, which they haven't. And don't go throwing SMG, SSBB, Zelda, Metroid or any other old franchise in my face. They have plenty of time to make new crap like Wii Fit for the non-gamers, well then they should certainly have time to make a new RPG or a new Platform series. When this happens then I will truly believe they're trying to cater to everybody. And getting a real online set up wouldn't hurt either.

says you :roll:

let me do that again incase you didnt read the first line.... :roll:

I'm far from the only one who feels this way. But you and your fellow sheep refuse to take the Nintendo-tinted sunglasses off for a second.

[QUOTE="dlp21"]Also, when has Nintendo really put out a fresh new franchise that you want as a core gamer. Pokemon I think was their lastGamer46

Eternal Darkness was not developed by Nintendo, but they did publish it and that was one of the key games, along with obviously Metroid that made me get a GC. I just don't see why if Nintendo has time to work on Wii Fit why they or one of their second parties can't put out a new RPG or a new action game. Just give me something, I don't even care if it's something more light hearted.

because they are trying to satisfy everyone and expand the gamer base...you see miyamoto is working on wiifit aaand SPM!!

you not the only type of gamer in this world...all your saying is that you want ninty to focus on "you" "you", and "you"

im glad thats NOT the case

dlp21 pretty much said it! THAT's how Hardcore gamer like us are BORN! We have to start out somewhere.I started on my beloved NES with the original SMB and moved on to MK, then Tekken, then GTA, Halo and the rest. I still haven't forgotten my roots but damn fark it if I'm gonna believe Nintendo is, as some people here are trying to say, "They ARe TeH Da Gata RuingAdAtA The GamaGadagata!" If the game is fun, then I'm there to play it! Same thing with my cousins and aunt. They have NEVER touched a game machine in their life till the Wii. I started them off on a steady diet of Wii-Sports and Wario ware. Then move them on to Mario Party and SPM. Since they are Table Tennis fanatics (we are all Chinese decent and Chinese LOVES Ping Pong), They are waiting hands and foot on Rockstar Presents: Table Tennis. Next will be Madden football and then SMG and SSBB before MP. That's the road to hardcore gaming! It doesn't start overnight you know and the wii hater here only focus their attention on "The Nintendo-AHHH OnlY Wnats-Ga TeH Casual-GA and Non-GamERNaHaDA!! Oh, NOESSSS! They aRe TeH RuinANANAGA TeH GAMaGHA!!!" ....And completely forget that what Nintendo said was they want everyone, hardcore, casuals AND non-gamers!

[QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

^^^StryderK put the nail in the coffin

now, hopefully, i will stop hearin the stupid "wii is ruining gaming" and "wii is for casuals only"

i hope

Gamer46

It will stop when Nintendo decides to make it stop and the only way that will happen is if they start trying to get serious about the hardcore gamer, which they haven't. And don't go throwing SMG, SSBB, Zelda, Metroid or any other old franchise in my face. They have plenty of time to make new crap like Wii Fit for the non-gamers, well then they should certainly have time to make a new RPG or a new Platform series. When this happens then I will truly believe they're trying to cater to everybody. And getting a real online set up wouldn't hurt either.

says you :roll:

let me do that again incase you didnt read the first line.... :roll:

I'm far from the only one who feels this way. But you and your fellow sheep refuse to take the Nintendo-tinted sunglasses off for a second.

i defend ninty thats true...but im much more objective than you

at least i dont bash any console like you do and i hardly ever spend much energy aguing that another console sucks and should be rejected!!!

so speak for yourself....you sound more like a fanboy than me

[QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

^^^StryderK put the nail in the coffin

now, hopefully, i will stop hearin the stupid "wii is ruining gaming" and "wii is for casuals only"

i hope

Gamer46

It will stop when Nintendo decides to make it stop and the only way that will happen is if they start trying to get serious about the hardcore gamer, which they haven't. And don't go throwing SMG, SSBB, Zelda, Metroid or any other old franchise in my face. They have plenty of time to make new crap like Wii Fit for the non-gamers, well then they should certainly have time to make a new RPG or a new Platform series. When this happens then I will truly believe they're trying to cater to everybody. And getting a real online set up wouldn't hurt either.

says you :roll:

let me do that again incase you didnt read the first line.... :roll:

I'm far from the only one who feels this way. But you and your fellow sheep refuse to take the Nintendo-tinted sunglasses off for a second.

not everyone has the same opinion as you. I'm personally happy with metroid, ssbb, fire emblem etc as my hardcore games. Can you respect that?

Were there any numbers in that massive wall of a TP stating how much it cost to produce a game that doesn't sell well? If not, then the argument is unfinished.

Even though crap doesn't sell, Crap is cheap to make. A good game that sells well, does cost a lot to make. So, it is still possible that there is more money to be made in failures of cheap games than there are in the successes of costly ones. If this were true, it would only reinforce the fact that 3rd party devs should continue to produce crap. Total sales is only one half of this equation...you see?

Wii now provides an outlet for all these cheap and unsuccesful games (that make the most profit) to come out. Thus, it would be ruining gaming, all the while selling hardcore games the most.

It's a clever little trick they've got you on.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"]

[QUOTE="dlp21"]Also, when has Nintendo really put out a fresh new franchise that you want as a core gamer. Pokemon I think was their lastanasbouzid

Eternal Darkness was not developed by Nintendo, but they did publish it and that was one of the key games, along with obviously Metroid that made me get a GC. I just don't see why if Nintendo has time to work on Wii Fit why they or one of their second parties can't put out a new RPG or a new action game. Just give me something, I don't even care if it's something more light hearted.

because they are trying to satisfy everyone and expand the gamer base...you see miyamoto is working on wiifit aaand SPM!!

you not the only type of gamer in this world...all your saying is that you want ninty to focus on "you" "you", and "you"

im glad thats NOT the case

I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying that I'd like them to focus onmaking new games for the more hardcoreas well as making stuff like Wii Fit. Nothing wrong with that. And I'm not the only one who feels this way. Secondly, get your facts right, Miyamoto isn't working on SPM, he's working on Mario Galaxy.

[QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

^^^StryderK put the nail in the coffin

now, hopefully, i will stop hearin the stupid "wii is ruining gaming" and "wii is for casuals only"

i hope

Gamer46

It will stop when Nintendo decides to make it stop and the only way that will happen is if they start trying to get serious about the hardcore gamer, which they haven't. And don't go throwing SMG, SSBB, Zelda, Metroid or any other old franchise in my face. They have plenty of time to make new crap like Wii Fit for the non-gamers, well then they should certainly have time to make a new RPG or a new Platform series. When this happens then I will truly believe they're trying to cater to everybody. And getting a real online set up wouldn't hurt either.

says you :roll:

let me do that again incase you didnt read the first line.... :roll:

I'm far from the only one who feels this way. But you and your fellow sheep refuse to take the Nintendo-tinted sunglasses off for a second.

And you sir, need to take off those nice and pretty Cow or Lemming glasses cause they are making you haleucinating! It's not nice for the kettle to call the pot black you know...

Were there any numbers in that massive wall of a TP stating how much it cost to produce a game that doesn't sell well? If not, then the argument is unfinished.

Even though crap doesn't sell, Crap is cheap to make. A good game that sells well, does cost a lot to make. So, it is still possible that there is more money to be made in failures of cheap games than there are in the successes of costly ones. If this were true, it would only reinforce the fact that 3rd party devs should continue to produce crap. Total sales is only one half of this equation...you see?

Wii now provides an outlet for all these cheap and unsuccesful games (that make the most profit) to come out. Thus, it would be ruining gaming, all the while selling hardcore games the most.

It's a clever little trick they've got you on.

whoisryanmack

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[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

^^^StryderK put the nail in the coffin

now, hopefully, i will stop hearin the stupid "wii is ruining gaming" and "wii is for casuals only"

i hope

StryderK

It will stop when Nintendo decides to make it stop and the only way that will happen is if they start trying to get serious about the hardcore gamer, which they haven't. And don't go throwing SMG, SSBB, Zelda, Metroid or any other old franchise in my face. They have plenty of time to make new crap like Wii Fit for the non-gamers, well then they should certainly have time to make a new RPG or a new Platform series. When this happens then I will truly believe they're trying to cater to everybody. And getting a real online set up wouldn't hurt either.

says you :roll:

let me do that again incase you didnt read the first line.... :roll:

I'm far from the only one who feels this way. But you and your fellow sheep refuse to take the Nintendo-tinted sunglasses off for a second.

And you sir, need to take off those nice and pretty Cow or Lemming glasses cause they are making you haleucinating! It's not nice for the kettle to call the pot black you know...

I'm not a fanboy at all, I've got all the consoles, I'm just calling it as I see it. The Wii is home to more crap games than any of the other two systems, it's upcoming library is no where close to what PS3 and 360 have coming out and Nintendo has been saying for ages now that their focus is the casual gamer. The only ones with their heads in the sand are the sheep.

[QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

[QUOTE="dlp21"]Also, when has Nintendo really put out a fresh new franchise that you want as a core gamer. Pokemon I think was their lastGamer46

Eternal Darkness was not developed by Nintendo, but they did publish it and that was one of the key games, along with obviously Metroid that made me get a GC. I just don't see why if Nintendo has time to work on Wii Fit why they or one of their second parties can't put out a new RPG or a new action game. Just give me something, I don't even care if it's something more light hearted.

because they are trying to satisfy everyone and expand the gamer base...you see miyamoto is working on wiifit aaand SPM!!

you not the only type of gamer in this world...all your saying is that you want ninty to focus on "you" "you", and "you"

im glad thats NOT the case

I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying that I'd like them to focus onmaking new games for the more hardcoreas well as making stuff like Wii Fit. Nothing wrong with that. And I'm not the only one who feels this way. Secondly, get your facts right, Miyamoto isn't working on SPM, he's working on Mario Galaxy.

first off disaster, second off i ment galaxy...i dont know why i typed spm...its already out

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

[QUOTE="dlp21"]Also, when has Nintendo really put out a fresh new franchise that you want as a core gamer. Pokemon I think was their lastanasbouzid

Eternal Darkness was not developed by Nintendo, but they did publish it and that was one of the key games, along with obviously Metroid that made me get a GC. I just don't see why if Nintendo has time to work on Wii Fit why they or one of their second parties can't put out a new RPG or a new action game. Just give me something, I don't even care if it's something more light hearted.

because they are trying to satisfy everyone and expand the gamer base...you see miyamoto is working on wiifit aaand SPM!!

you not the only type of gamer in this world...all your saying is that you want ninty to focus on "you" "you", and "you"

im glad thats NOT the case

I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying that I'd like them to focus onmaking new games for the more hardcoreas well as making stuff like Wii Fit. Nothing wrong with that. And I'm not the only one who feels this way. Secondly, get your facts right, Miyamoto isn't working on SPM, he's working on Mario Galaxy.

first off disaster, second off i ment galaxy...i dont know why i typed spm...its already out

I can't even remember the last time I heard anything about Disaster because Nintendo is so focused on brain games and making glorified workout dvds.

dlp21 pretty much said it! THAT's how Hardcore gamer like us are BORN! We have to start out somewhere.I started on my beloved NES with the original SMB and moved on to MK, then Tekken, then GTA, Halo and the rest. I still haven't forgotten my roots but damn fark it if I'm gonna believe Nintendo is, as some people here are trying to say, "They ARe TeH Da Gata RuingAdAtA The GamaGadagata!" If the game is fun, then I'm there to play it! Same thing with my cousins and aunt. They have NEVER touched a game machine in their life till the Wii. I started them off on a steady diet of Wii-Sports and Wario ware. Then move them on to Mario Party and SPM. Since they are Table Tennis fanatics (we are all Chinese decent and Chinese LOVES Ping Pong), They are waiting hands and foot on Rockstar Presents: Table Tennis. Next will be Madden football and then SMG and SSBB before MP. That's the road to hardcore gaming! It doesn't start overnight you know and the wii hater here only focus their attention on "The Nintendo-AHHH OnlY Wnats-Ga TeH Casual-GA and Non-GamERNaHaDA!! Oh, NOESSSS! They aRe TeH RuinANANAGA TeH GAMaGHA!!!" ....And completely forget that what Nintendo said was they want everyone, hardcore, casuals AND non-gamers!

StryderK

I thank you for the acknowledgement and would like to go on and share even some more experiences centered around the Wii. I have now seen personally 6 people transformed into gamers. Are they playing Rainbow Six LV...no, but that isn't where you start someone.

Not only has my Mom and GF turned to gaming but I know many of my friends wives, and girlfriends have too. I personally have seen 4 of my best friends wives and girlfriends playing videogames. Being a huge technology geek altogether I asked them how long have they been playing and time and time again it turns out they just started, whether it was Wii Sports or Guitar Hero everyone is getting into gaming now and it is in fact the responsibilty of companies like Nintendo to not ignore them.

You will still get your games, I promise, in fact over time I believe it will be because of this casual gamerer phenom that the games we do get will be far superior to anything we have seen in the past. How does this work, well if you can make a simple game that is fun, addictive, simple, it generates money. Money is then reinvested into the company to make new games, but companies aren't going to be stagnant and just explore casual, they will drop a lot of it into making great games. Why do you ask?

Well because as more people accept videogames it will gather more merit and it will only be a matter of time until videogames gets its Academy Awards and Grammys. Sure we have videogame awards right now, but I am talking about them being on par with the aformentioned ceromonies. It is this simple ability to garnish a Game of the Year award that will drive the best dev teams to create the best, most artistic, storytelling, gameplaying game ever.

Sure there will be crap...sure there will be greatness that doesn't do well, but if that greatness gets that GOTY award, it won't matter to that publisher and dev team if they made a dime on the game, why, because it leads to credibility which leads to people holding your company in higher regard which in turn leads to later profitable returns.

Were there any numbers in that massive wall of a TP stating how much it cost to produce a game that doesn't sell well? If not, then the argument is unfinished.

Even though crap doesn't sell, Crap is cheap to make. A good game that sells well, does cost a lot to make. So, it is still possible that there is more money to be made in failures of cheap games than there are in the successes of costly ones. If this were true, it would only reinforce the fact that 3rd party devs should continue to produce crap. Total sales is only one half of this equation...you see?

Wii now provides an outlet for all these cheap and unsuccesful games (that make the most profit) to come out. Thus, it would be ruining gaming, all the while selling hardcore games the most.

It's a clever little trick they've got you on.

whoisryanmack

wow, you turn a hypothetical outcome you have just come up withinto something thats happened and has us tricked.....

what did i miss

oh, and on the same note watch me magically pull this real POS out of a hat!!

Strydek seriously take the fanboy goggles off. I admit I bash the Wii to know end you know why? Because I use to be one of the biggest Nintendo supporters PERIOD up untill the Gamecube. Fact is after constantly being slaped in the face i changed sides.One only needs to look at the history of Nintendo to be fed up.

1. Nintendo and Super Nintendo were the best systems hands down from the N64 on it went down hill. Why? Because Nintendo claimed that CD gaming ruined the gaming experince with load times. The real reason? Nintendo didnt want to lose money on each N64 they devleoped so they stuck a cheap cartridge format in there sytem and lost almsot all there 3rd party support to Sony which featured a modern day format which looked better was cheaper and easier to devleope for.

2. Then here comes the Gamecube once agian Nintendo doesnt put a DVD player in it why?Nintnedo claims they want a system thatis just for gaming. Real reason? Nintendo didnt want to put a DVD player in there system becuase they once agian didnt want to lose money on there platform so they stuck a mini disk in there console and once again had the most limited format. Was it that big of a deal? Not really certinaley not as big as the N64 days but other mistakes such as (Making Zelda the Windwaker cell shaded) A game that got great reviews but had it kept its hardcore look it would have brought many non Nintendo fans over to the system much like OOT did. Then giving up its 3rd party exclusives without a fight such as RE4 further droped my opionion of them. But even with that I was still with them.

3. Now comes the Wii and the reason why I have left the ranks of sheep. A system that Nintendo claims is to innovate gaming. The real reason? Nintendo cant keep up with the tech of Sony and Microsoft so they stick 5 year old tech in a box create a new remote and sell there system for $250.00 ( yet it only cost them$160 to make. ) While Microsoft launched there system at $400.00( cost them$525 to make each) Sony launched theres for$600( cost them$850 to make each). Now even knowing that the Wii was most likely going to be the biggestgimmick in gaming history( which it is) I was still willing to give it a chance. And what do I get ? Loads of Casual trash( like warior smooth moves and Wii sports) and PS2 and Gamecube remakes with new controls? Seriously the only decent titles they have coming are fromNintendo themselvs which is common for Nintendo consoles but theWii has more bottom of the barrel crap then any system I can remeber.

The bottom line looking at history Nintendo has desgined every console with one goal in mind and thats not to make money taking as little risk as possible and offering the least to the consumer for the money.

Were there any numbers in that massive wall of a TP stating how much it cost to produce a game that doesn't sell well? If not, then the argument is unfinished.

Even though crap doesn't sell, Crap is cheap to make. A good game that sells well, does cost a lot to make. So, it is still possible that there is more money to be made in failures of cheap games than there are in the successes of costly ones. If this were true, it would only reinforce the fact that 3rd party devs should continue to produce crap. Total sales is only one half of this equation...you see?

Wii now provides an outlet for all these cheap and unsuccesful games (that make the most profit) to come out. Thus, it would be ruining gaming, all the while selling hardcore games the most.

It's a clever little trick they've got you on.

whoisryanmack

Disgaea...your argument in now debunk

[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

Gamer46

I'm not a fanboy at all, I've got all the consoles, I'm just calling it as I see it. The Wii is home to more crap games than any of the other two systems, it's upcoming library is no where close to what PS3 and 360 have coming out and Nintendo has been saying for ages now that their focus is the casual gamer. The only ones with their heads in the sand are the sheep.

AGain, you need to take off those nice pretty PS3/X360 glasses and try to start reading and understanding eVERYTHING, rather then concentrating on things that only support your OPINONS. Things will go much better if you do. Trust me!

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

StryderK

I'm not a fanboy at all, I've got all the consoles, I'm just calling it as I see it. The Wii is home to more crap games than any of the other two systems, it's upcoming library is no where close to what PS3 and 360 have coming out and Nintendo has been saying for ages now that their focus is the casual gamer. The only ones with their heads in the sand are the sheep.

AGain, you need to take off those nice pretty PS3/X360 glasses and try to start reading and understanding eVERYTHING, rather then concentrating on things that only support your OPINONS. Things will go much better if you do. Trust me!

Yeah, I should just start blindly following Nintendo like you do. :roll:

Strydek seriously take the fanboy goggles off. I admit I bash the Wii to know end you know why? Because I use to be one of the biggest Nintendo supporters PERIOD up untill the Gamecube. Fact is after constantly being slaped in the face i changed sides.One only needs to look at the history of Nintendo to be fed up.

1. Nintendo and Super Nintendo were the best systems hands down from the N64 on it went down hill. Why? Because Nintendo claimed that CD gaming ruined the gaming experince with load times. The real reason? Nintendo didnt want to lose money on each N64 they devleoped so they stuck a cheap cartridge format in there sytem and lost almsot all there 3rd party support to Sony which featured a modern day format which looked better was cheaper and easier to devleope for.

2. Then here comes the Gamecube once agian Nintnedo doesnt put a DVD player in it why?Nintnedo claims they want a system thatis just for gaming. Real reason? Nintendo didnt want to put a DVD player in there system becuase theyonce agian didnt want to lose money on there platform so they stuck a mini disk in there console and once again had the most limited format. Was it that big of a deal? Not really certinaley not as big as the N64 days but other mistakes such as (Making Zelda the Windwakercell shaded) A game that got great reviews but had it kept its hardcore look it would have brought many non Nintedo fans over to the system much like OOT did. Thengiving up its 3rd party exclusives without a fight such as RE4 further droped my opionion of them. But even with that I was still with them.

3. Now comes the Wii and the reason why I have left the ranks ofsheep. A system that Nintendo claims is to innovate gaming. The real reason? Nintendo cant keep up with the tech of Sony and Microsoft so they stick 5 year old tech in a boxcreate a new remote and sell there system for $250.00 ( yet it only cost them$160 to make. ) While Microsoftlaunched there system at $400.00( cost them$525 to make each) Sony launched theres for$600( cost them$850 to make each). Now even knowing that the Wii was most likely going to be the biggestgimmick in gaming history( which it is) I was still willing to give it a chance. Andwhat do I get ? Loads of Casual trash( like warior smooth moves and Wii sports) and PS2 and Gamecube remakes with new controls? Seriously the only decent titles they have coming are fromNintendo themselvs which is common for Nintendo consoles buttheWii has more bottom of the barrel crap then any system I can remeber.

Polaris_choice

HeHe. Again, I see someone here is acting like a pot and calling the kettle black and then go on a rant posting stuff about his OPINONs and then say, "here, here is the "FACTS" you guys are all OWNED!!!" I think it's someone else that need to take off those silly goggles!

The reasom why developers will make crappy games for Wii is because it is a casual console. Why should they spend tons of money making a awesome,epical game when they know that they can get as many sales with a casual game with half that budget?

Oh, and Wii isn't expanding the market the same way Sony did it. What Sony did was that they took non-gamers, made them play Crash, Tomb Raider and Tekken and BOOM! Hardcore gamers were born. Now with Wii, do you really think that if a non-gamer buys Wii Fit, it will go and play Zelda after that?! Nintendo is only making temporary gamers for their own good. The casual gamers is near-infinitive but what's the point of they're only staying around for only a few casual games?! Nintendo doesn't know how to make this industry bigger. They're only riding the succes of PS consoles. Without Sony games would still be overpriced and for kids. Do some research next time before comparingPS and Wii.

Polaris...Umm Argument 1. No CD was way cheaper to go with. It cost something like 6 dollars to make a cartridge vs pennies for a CD.

Argument 2, no it was to deter people from stealing their IP's and protecting everyone who Dev'd for the system and it was a gaming machine.

Argument 3, MS designed nothing in either of their systems, everything is off the shelf. And Nintendo has more money in their Gaming Dept then either Sony or MS so that argument is debunk as well. They have more then enough money to do whatever the hell they want.

[QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

Strydek seriously take the fanboy goggles off. I admit I bash the Wii to know end you know why? Because I use to be one of the biggest Nintendo supporters PERIOD up untill the Gamecube. Fact is after constantly being slaped in the face i changed sides.One only needs to look at the history of Nintendo to be fed up.

1. Nintendo and Super Nintendo were the best systems hands down from the N64 on it went down hill. Why? Because Nintendo claimed that CD gaming ruined the gaming experince with load times. The real reason? Nintendo didnt want to lose money on each N64 they devleoped so they stuck a cheap cartridge format in there sytem and lost almsot all there 3rd party support to Sony which featured a modern day format which looked better was cheaper and easier to devleope for.

2. Then here comes the Gamecube once agian Nintnedo doesnt put a DVD player in it why?Nintnedo claims they want a system thatis just for gaming. Real reason? Nintendo didnt want to put a DVD player in there system becuase theyonce agian didnt want to lose money on there platform so they stuck a mini disk in there console and once again had the most limited format. Was it that big of a deal? Not really certinaley not as big as the N64 days but other mistakes such as (Making Zelda the Windwakercell shaded) A game that got great reviews but had it kept its hardcore look it would have brought many non Nintedo fans over to the system much like OOT did. Thengiving up its 3rd party exclusives without a fight such as RE4 further droped my opionion of them. But even with that I was still with them.

3. Now comes the Wii and the reason why I have left the ranks ofsheep. A system that Nintendo claims is to innovate gaming. The real reason? Nintendo cant keep up with the tech of Sony and Microsoft so they stick 5 year old tech in a boxcreate a new remote and sell there system for $250.00 ( yet it only cost them$160 to make. ) While Microsoftlaunched there system at $400.00( cost them$525 to make each) Sony launched theres for$600( cost them$850 to make each). Now even knowing that the Wii was most likely going to be the biggestgimmick in gaming history( which it is) I was still willing to give it a chance. Andwhat do I get ? Loads of Casual trash( like warior smooth moves and Wii sports) and PS2 and Gamecube remakes with new controls? Seriously the only decent titles they have coming are fromNintendo themselvs which is common for Nintendo consoles buttheWii has more bottom of the barrel crap then any system I can remeber.

StryderK

HeHe. Again, I see someone here is acting like a pot and calling the kettle black and then go on a rant posting stuff about his OPINONs and then say, "here, here is the "FACTS" you guys are all OWNED!!!" I think it's someone else that need to take off those silly goggles!

Ok i wont respond to you anymore as you didnt even read my post. Not once did I say anyone was owned and yes everything I named in there was a fact. Nintnedo makes hardware to cut cost and offer as less as possible to the consumer ive been gaming for about 18 years I am 25.

[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

Gamer46

I'm not a fanboy at all, I've got all the consoles, I'm just calling it as I see it. The Wii is home to more crap games than any of the other two systems, it's upcoming library is no where close to what PS3 and 360 have coming out and Nintendo has been saying for ages now that their focus is the casual gamer. The only ones with their heads in the sand are the sheep.

AGain, you need to take off those nice pretty PS3/X360 glasses and try to start reading and understanding eVERYTHING, rather then concentrating on things that only support your OPINONS. Things will go much better if you do. Trust me!

Yeah, I should just start blindly following Nintendo like you do. :roll:

Sigh, Ok, I'll pointed it our for you, even though someone here already did. You keep on hammering "Nintendo only want casuals" but conveniently for you, forget the fact what Nintendo said was, "we want everyone, hardcore, casuals and non gamers". Last time I checked, that's TOTALLY different than "We only want casuals". You just took one VERY small part of what Nintendo said cause that SUPPORT your opinion and ignore the rest cause they don't. This is what ALL Fanboy do, not just you!

[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

Strydek seriously take the fanboy goggles off. I admit I bash the Wii to know end you know why? Because I use to be one of the biggest Nintendo supporters PERIOD up untill the Gamecube. Fact is after constantly being slaped in the face i changed sides.One only needs to look at the history of Nintendo to be fed up.

1. Nintendo and Super Nintendo were the best systems hands down from the N64 on it went down hill. Why? Because Nintendo claimed that CD gaming ruined the gaming experince with load times. The real reason? Nintendo didnt want to lose money on each N64 they devleoped so they stuck a cheap cartridge format in there sytem and lost almsot all there 3rd party support to Sony which featured a modern day format which looked better was cheaper and easier to devleope for.

2. Then here comes the Gamecube once agian Nintnedo doesnt put a DVD player in it why?Nintnedo claims they want a system thatis just for gaming. Real reason? Nintendo didnt want to put a DVD player in there system becuase theyonce agian didnt want to lose money on there platform so they stuck a mini disk in there console and once again had the most limited format. Was it that big of a deal? Not really certinaley not as big as the N64 days but other mistakes such as (Making Zelda the Windwakercell shaded) A game that got great reviews but had it kept its hardcore look it would have brought many non Nintedo fans over to the system much like OOT did. Thengiving up its 3rd party exclusives without a fight such as RE4 further droped my opionion of them. But even with that I was still with them.

3. Now comes the Wii and the reason why I have left the ranks ofsheep. A system that Nintendo claims is to innovate gaming. The real reason? Nintendo cant keep up with the tech of Sony and Microsoft so they stick 5 year old tech in a boxcreate a new remote and sell there system for $250.00 ( yet it only cost them$160 to make. ) While Microsoftlaunched there system at $400.00( cost them$525 to make each) Sony launched theres for$600( cost them$850 to make each). Now even knowing that the Wii was most likely going to be the biggestgimmick in gaming history( which it is) I was still willing to give it a chance. Andwhat do I get ? Loads of Casual trash( like warior smooth moves and Wii sports) and PS2 and Gamecube remakes with new controls? Seriously the only decent titles they have coming are fromNintendo themselvs which is common for Nintendo consoles buttheWii has more bottom of the barrel crap then any system I can remeber.

Polaris_choice

HeHe. Again, I see someone here is acting like a pot and calling the kettle black and then go on a rant posting stuff about his OPINONs and then say, "here, here is the "FACTS" you guys are all OWNED!!!" I think it's someone else that need to take off those silly goggles!

Ok i wont respond to you anymore as you didnt even read my post. Not once did I say anyone was owned and yes everything I named in there was a fact. Nintnedo makes hardware to cut cost and offer as less as possible to the consumer ive been gaming for about 18 years I am 25.

FACT?!?!? FACT to you maybe but not to everyone else here! Get that stright to your head! The tech IS OLD, we all know that thank you very much but to us who bought the Wii and are enjoying it. do we give a damn? You are trying to "Save" everyone but there is nothing to be saved! If you like the X360 and PS3 then that's fine with me but stop trying acting like all gun-ho and say "But...Bu.bbuuu....The Olda TECHGA!!! Nintendo is RIPPING YouGAmaga." Everyone TASTES are DIFFERENT! What works for you might not work for me or someone else and what may not work for you might work for someone else. You are 25, great. But that thread SCREAMS you are 8 instead you know that?

The reasom why developers will make crappy games for Wii is because it is a casual console. Why should they spend tons of money making a awesome,epical game when they know that they can get as many sales with a casual game with half that budget?

Oh, and Wii isn't expanding the market the same way Sony did it. What Sony did was that they took non-gamers, made them play Crash, Tomb Raider and Tekken and BOOM! Hardcore gamers were born. Now with Wii, do you really think that if a non-gamer buys Wii Fit, it will go and play Zelda after that?! Nintendo is only making temporary gamers for their own good. The casual gamers is near-infinitive but what's the point of they're only staying around for only a few casual games?! Nintendo doesn't know how to make this industry bigger. They're only riding the succes of PS consoles. Without Sony games would still be overpriced and for kids. Do some research next time before comparingPS and Wii.

azad_champ

Great post. The sheep want to say that yes, people can move on from Wii Fit to say Zelda. Personally, I have yet to see it happen. The only times I've ever seen somebody move on from something like say Tetris or Guitar Hero to more serious games is when myself or one of my friends has actually helped them along in the process. There are several people I know who don't play a ton of games but bought a Wii for Wii Sports. What have they moved on to from there? Mario Party, Wario Ware, Wii Play. Hardly what I call hardcore games. What is the game they want next? Not SMG, not Metroid, but you guessed it... Wii Fit.

Like I said, the first game myself and several of my friends started with was Super Mario Bros. I can see moving on from that to something like Zelda or Metal Gear. But I have never seen somebody move from Guitar Hero to Metal Gear Solid.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

StryderK

I'm not a fanboy at all, I've got all the consoles, I'm just calling it as I see it. The Wii is home to more crap games than any of the other two systems, it's upcoming library is no where close to what PS3 and 360 have coming out and Nintendo has been saying for ages now that their focus is the casual gamer. The only ones with their heads in the sand are the sheep.

AGain, you need to take off those nice pretty PS3/X360 glasses and try to start reading and understanding eVERYTHING, rather then concentrating on things that only support your OPINONS. Things will go much better if you do. Trust me!

Yeah, I should just start blindly following Nintendo like you do. :roll:

Sigh, Ok, I'll pointed it our for you, even though someone here already did. You keep on hammering "Nintendo only want casuals" but conveniently for you, forget the fact what Nintendo said was, "we want everyone, hardcore, casuals and non gamers". Last time I checked, that's TOTALLY different than "We only want casuals". You just took one VERY small part of what Nintendo said cause that SUPPORT your opinion and ignore the rest cause they don't. This is what ALL Fanboy do, not just you!

Nintendo say they want everybody. Then they spend five minutes a piece on Zelda and SMG at their E3 press conference and don't announce any new franchises for the more hardcore then spend about 20 minutes showing off Wii Fit. Yeah, I'm really missing the message they're trying to convey.

Great post. The sheep want to say that yes, people can move on from Wii Fit to say Zelda. Personally, I have yet to see it happen. The only times I've ever seen somebody move on from something like say Tetris or Guitar Hero to more serious games is when myself or one of my friends has actually helped them along in the process. There are several people I know who don't play a ton of games but bought a Wii for Wii Sports. What have they moved on to from there? Mario Party, Wario Ware, Wii Play. Hardly what I call hardcore games. What is the game they want next? Not SMG, not Metroid, but you guessed it... Wii Fit.

Like I said, the first game myself and several of my friends started with was Super Mario Bros. I can see moving on from that to something like Zelda or Metal Gear. But I have never seen somebody move from Guitar Hero to Metal Gear Solid.

Gamer46

Let me ask you a question. How do you learn to read great literary arts?? Do you one day pick up "Of War and Peace" or "The Great Gatsby" or "Catch-22". Def not, you learn first with easy simple tasks, then slowly progress to something harder and harder.

You guys undercutting the Wii is fool hearted. What you "hardcore" gamers need to be doing is in fact introducing the Wii to your parents, your wives, kids, friends, neighbors, and everyone else and teaching them games can be fun just like great literary art.

I ask that you seriously read all my posts all on pages 12, 13, 14, etc as I believe have made more then a grandiose argument for the Wii.

[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="anasbouzid"]

Gamer46

Sigh, Ok, I'll pointed it our for you, even though someone here already did. You keep on hammering "Nintendo only want casuals" but conveniently for you, forget the fact what Nintendo said was, "we want everyone, hardcore, casuals and non gamers". Last time I checked, that's TOTALLY different than "We only want casuals". You just took one VERY small part of what Nintendo said cause that SUPPORT your opinion and ignore the rest cause they don't. This is what ALL Fanboy do, not just you!

Nintendo say they want everybody. Then they spend five minutes a piece on Zelda and SMG at their E3 press conference and don't announce any new franchises for the more hardcore then spend about 20 minutes showing off Wii Fit. Yeah, I'm really missing the message they're trying to convey.

Sigh, this is getting no where! Have you EVER EVER thought everything through? Nintendos spend so little time on Zelda because one, TP is already out, two the new one just got started perhaps and there are no information to be shown? 2. SMG. It's already been previewed and Nintendo DON'T want to spend too much time on it and let everyone know what the game is all about? When it's getting closer and closer to its Nov. release, we will hear more. If Nintendo "Shoot the twad so to speak" too early, it will have an NEGATIVE effect! Nintendo concentrated on Wii-Fit cause of success of Wii-Sport and they want to build up hype for the game, just like when SMG and TP was first released. Again, you are just concentrating on ONE aspect of that announcement because IT SUPPORTS your OPINON of Nintendo and automatically put down the rest cause they don't!

Once again I want to point out the reason that Nintendo probably did this is because the Hardcore already know about Zelda and SMG. People didn't know about WiiFit.

In fact did you not notice the press coverage the WiiFit got. Excluding dedicated sites I saw very little about Halo 3, Assasains Creed, RE5, SMG, MGS4 on CNN, FocNews etc, but the WiiFit, was all over those news outlets.

Stop being so closed minded.

Its funny how losers actually pick and choose a company to be on "sides" with. How lame can one get? If Nintendo or sony does something I don't like, who cares.

Its all about the games and thats something that many of you forget. Would you seriously boycott Halo 3 because its technically competing with COD4 or anyother shooters for that matter. You guys do see how silly this is. Its the games. WE are gamers, not companies.

If I see a game that looks good, Im going to want to play it no matter what system its on.

Fact is, Nintendos still pumping out the "must buys". Batallion wars, Disaster, Mario Galaxy, Prime, Brawl, and more. Shouldnt matter what else they are doing because it really doesn't concern you.

People forget that not every developer is making games for ONLY the dollar. Many times people make these games to tell stories. Those developers are never going away. Which means your bioshocks, mass effects, SMG, Lair, and Halos will never go away. Did tetris ruin the industry? No. Each genre has its market. And while the casual market shares its consumer base with the hardcore market, the casual market NEVER takes away from the hardcore market.

And while Nintendos doing this the rabbid fanboys seem to forget that their own "gods" are doing the same thing, YET they praise their products. Eyetoy anyone? That thing was casual in its purest form yet you here the praises from every cow. Viva Pinata? Definiately copying Nintendos strategy. Even more so with the new Mario Party style viva pinata. Yet lemmings seem to think it was one of the best games ever. In reality it was Nintendogs or Tomagachi pets with Pinatas. Casual? Definitely.

If I remember correctly PS2 & 1 had the most casual library out of any system to date. The casual market has always been here and nothings going to change. Obviously the PS1 & 2, had so many casual games because as a poster said, they were cheap to make...yet even though they did bad they made considerable profits on them.

If anyone, Sony WOULD have been the one to "ruin" the industry with their 100 million selling machine. Again you fanboys are ridiculous. I know I didn't elaborate on many points as well as I could have but cmon. Its about the games. Anything else and you have a problem thats developed into something disturbing.

[QUOTE="Polaris_choice"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

Strydek seriously take the fanboy goggles off. I admit I bash the Wii to know end you know why? Because I use to be one of the biggest Nintendo supporters PERIOD up untill the Gamecube. Fact is after constantly being slaped in the face i changed sides.One only needs to look at the history of Nintendo to be fed up.

1. Nintendo and Super Nintendo were the best systems hands down from the N64 on it went down hill. Why? Because Nintendo claimed that CD gaming ruined the gaming experince with load times. The real reason? Nintendo didnt want to lose money on each N64 they devleoped so they stuck a cheap cartridge format in there sytem and lost almsot all there 3rd party support to Sony which featured a modern day format which looked better was cheaper and easier to devleope for.

2. Then here comes the Gamecube once agian Nintnedo doesnt put a DVD player in it why?Nintnedo claims they want a system thatis just for gaming. Real reason? Nintendo didnt want to put a DVD player in there system becuase theyonce agian didnt want to lose money on there platform so they stuck a mini disk in there console and once again had the most limited format. Was it that big of a deal? Not really certinaley not as big as the N64 days but other mistakes such as (Making Zelda the Windwakercell shaded) A game that got great reviews but had it kept its hardcore look it would have brought many non Nintedo fans over to the system much like OOT did. Thengiving up its 3rd party exclusives without a fight such as RE4 further droped my opionion of them. But even with that I was still with them.

3. Now comes the Wii and the reason why I have left the ranks ofsheep. A system that Nintendo claims is to innovate gaming. The real reason? Nintendo cant keep up with the tech of Sony and Microsoft so they stick 5 year old tech in a boxcreate a new remote and sell there system for $250.00 ( yet it only cost them$160 to make. ) While Microsoftlaunched there system at $400.00( cost them$525 to make each) Sony launched theres for$600( cost them$850 to make each). Now even knowing that the Wii was most likely going to be the biggestgimmick in gaming history( which it is) I was still willing to give it a chance. Andwhat do I get ? Loads of Casual trash( like warior smooth moves and Wii sports) and PS2 and Gamecube remakes with new controls? Seriously the only decent titles they have coming are fromNintendo themselvs which is common for Nintendo consoles buttheWii has more bottom of the barrel crap then any system I can remeber.

StryderK

HeHe. Again, I see someone here is acting like a pot and calling the kettle black and then go on a rant posting stuff about his OPINONs and then say, "here, here is the "FACTS" you guys are all OWNED!!!" I think it's someone else that need to take off those silly goggles!

Ok i wont respond to you anymore as you didnt even read my post. Not once did I say anyone was owned and yes everything I named in there was a fact. Nintnedo makes hardware to cut cost and offer as less as possible to the consumer ive been gaming for about 18 years I am 25.

FACT?!?!? FACT to you maybe but not to everyone else here! Get that stright to your head! The tech IS OLD, we all know that thank you very much but to us who bought the Wii and are enjoying it. do we give a damn? You are trying to "Save" everyone but there is nothing to be saved! If you like the X360 and PS3 then that's fine with me but stop trying acting like all gun-ho and say "But...Bu.bbuuu....The Olda TECHGA!!! Nintendo is RIPPING YouGAmaga." Everyone TASTES are DIFFERENT! What works for you might not work for me or someone else and what may not work for you might work for someone else. You are 25, great. But that thread SCREAMS you are 8 instead you know that?

Considering you are pounding your keys as you type back to me I hardly feel like im acting like the 8 year old. You want to defend Nintendo thats fine but I listed you plenty of reasons why myself and nobody else in this thread agrees with you . Nintendo sells crap tech rips of the consumer and does it in the name of innovation for suckers like you. Enjoy playing RE4 for the 5th time with the wii remote good bye.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"]

Great post. The sheep want to say that yes, people can move on from Wii Fit to say Zelda. Personally, I have yet to see it happen. The only times I've ever seen somebody move on from something like say Tetris or Guitar Hero to more serious games is when myself or one of my friends has actually helped them along in the process. There are several people I know who don't play a ton of games but bought a Wii for Wii Sports. What have they moved on to from there? Mario Party, Wario Ware, Wii Play. Hardly what I call hardcore games. What is the game they want next? Not SMG, not Metroid, but you guessed it... Wii Fit.

Like I said, the first game myself and several of my friends started with was Super Mario Bros. I can see moving on from that to something like Zelda or Metal Gear. But I have never seen somebody move from Guitar Hero to Metal Gear Solid.

dlp21

Let me ask you a question. How do you learn to read great literary arts?? Do you one day pick up "Of War and Peace" or "The Great Gatsby" or "Catch-22". Def not, you learn first with easy simple tasks, then slowly progress to something harder and harder.

You guys undercutting the Wii is fool hearted. What you "hardcore" gamers need to be doing is in fact introducing the Wii to your parents, your wives, kids, friends, neighbors, and everyone else and teaching them games can be fun just like great literary art.

I ask that you seriously read all my posts all on pages 12, 13, 14, etc as I believe have made more then a grandiose argument for the Wii.

Well, I'll bring myself down to their levels and go dumb and stupid for a second:

**Puts on Fanboy Goggles and go back in time**

My GOshagADAGA!!! I LoveGa Super Marioga, Sonicga, MetriodGA!! They are TeH AwSpmEGA!!! TekkenGa, FFGA, What Gama Are TeHese? They WiLL Never Be as HardCoreGA As ThOsE Games!!! ThEy ArE TeH RuIn TeH GAmInGNAGATAGA!!!"

See....I can be dumb too.....Hardcore gamers has to start SOMEWHERE and if it's Wii-Sports or Wii-Fit that get them started, then that is GOOD news because otherwise, they would've never even considering TOUCHING games! And if you do it right and feed them and bring them along SLOWLY, eventually,t hey will become hardcore gamers! It took me around 15 years before I considered myself to be a hard core gamer. It will probably take that long, 10 years before the casuals and non-gamers becomes one too. Yes, some will get lost along the way, but that won't disturb me because anyone that STARTS on gaming is a POTENTIAL hardcore gamer. You can't convert hardcore gamers into even more hardcore. To expand our ranks, you have to start somewhere else.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"]

Great post. The sheep want to say that yes, people can move on from Wii Fit to say Zelda. Personally, I have yet to see it happen. The only times I've ever seen somebody move on from something like say Tetris or Guitar Hero to more serious games is when myself or one of my friends has actually helped them along in the process. There are several people I know who don't play a ton of games but bought a Wii for Wii Sports. What have they moved on to from there? Mario Party, Wario Ware, Wii Play. Hardly what I call hardcore games. What is the game they want next? Not SMG, not Metroid, but you guessed it... Wii Fit.

Like I said, the first game myself and several of my friends started with was Super Mario Bros. I can see moving on from that to something like Zelda or Metal Gear. But I have never seen somebody move from Guitar Hero to Metal Gear Solid.

dlp21

Let me ask you a question. How do you learn to read great literary arts?? Do you one day pick up "Of War and Peace" or "The Great Gatsby" or "Catch-22". Def not, you learn first with easy simple tasks, then slowly progress to something harder and harder.

You guys undercutting the Wii is fool hearted. What you "hardcore" gamers need to be doing is in fact introducing the Wii to your parents, your wives, kids, friends, neighbors, and everyone else and teaching them games can be fun just like great literary art.

I ask that you seriously read all my posts all on pages 12, 13, 14, etc as I believe have made more then a grandiose argument for the Wii.

I've let my dad play Wii Sports plenty of times, he loves the golf, he loves the bowling. But when I tried introducing Zelda or any games to him, he really wasn't interested. Same with my sisters. I wouldn't bother trying to get my girlfriend in to games, there are other things she and I can do with our time rather than sit around and play games all day. And as far as starting little kids on games. My first game was Super Mario Bros. If I were to introduce a five year old to games starting in December this year I'd start them with Super Mario Galaxy because that is more likely to lead to greater things than by starting them on Wii Sports or Wii Fit.

And yes, you did try to make a great case for the Wii, except I still haven't seen it change anything. Most of the people who bought it for Wii Sports go in looking for games more of that ilk. Something like Big Brain, or Wii Play, a quick easy pick-up-and-play game rather than something like RE 4.

[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

Strydek seriously take the fanboy goggles off. I admit I bash the Wii to know end you know why? Because I use to be one of the biggest Nintendo supporters PERIOD up untill the Gamecube. Fact is after constantly being slaped in the face i changed sides.One only needs to look at the history of Nintendo to be fed up.

1. Nintendo and Super Nintendo were the best systems hands down from the N64 on it went down hill. Why? Because Nintendo claimed that CD gaming ruined the gaming experince with load times. The real reason? Nintendo didnt want to lose money on each N64 they devleoped so they stuck a cheap cartridge format in there sytem and lost almsot all there 3rd party support to Sony which featured a modern day format which looked better was cheaper and easier to devleope for.

2. Then here comes the Gamecube once agian Nintnedo doesnt put a DVD player in it why?Nintnedo claims they want a system thatis just for gaming. Real reason? Nintendo didnt want to put a DVD player in there system becuase theyonce agian didnt want to lose money on there platform so they stuck a mini disk in there console and once again had the most limited format. Was it that big of a deal? Not really certinaley not as big as the N64 days but other mistakes such as (Making Zelda the Windwakercell shaded) A game that got great reviews but had it kept its hardcore look it would have brought many non Nintedo fans over to the system much like OOT did. Thengiving up its 3rd party exclusives without a fight such as RE4 further droped my opionion of them. But even with that I was still with them.

3. Now comes the Wii and the reason why I have left the ranks ofsheep. A system that Nintendo claims is to innovate gaming. The real reason? Nintendo cant keep up with the tech of Sony and Microsoft so they stick 5 year old tech in a boxcreate a new remote and sell there system for $250.00 ( yet it only cost them$160 to make. ) While Microsoftlaunched there system at $400.00( cost them$525 to make each) Sony launched theres for$600( cost them$850 to make each). Now even knowing that the Wii was most likely going to be the biggestgimmick in gaming history( which it is) I was still willing to give it a chance. Andwhat do I get ? Loads of Casual trash( like warior smooth moves and Wii sports) and PS2 and Gamecube remakes with new controls? Seriously the only decent titles they have coming are fromNintendo themselvs which is common for Nintendo consoles buttheWii has more bottom of the barrel crap then any system I can remeber.

Polaris_choice

HeHe. Again, I see someone here is acting like a pot and calling the kettle black and then go on a rant posting stuff about his OPINONs and then say, "here, here is the "FACTS" you guys are all OWNED!!!" I think it's someone else that need to take off those silly goggles!

Ok i wont respond to you anymore as you didnt even read my post. Not once did I say anyone was owned and yes everything I named in there was a fact. Nintnedo makes hardware to cut cost and offer as less as possible to the consumer ive been gaming for about 18 years I am 25.

FACT?!?!? FACT to you maybe but not to everyone else here! Get that stright to your head! The tech IS OLD, we all know that thank you very much but to us who bought the Wii and are enjoying it. do we give a damn? You are trying to "Save" everyone but there is nothing to be saved! If you like the X360 and PS3 then that's fine with me but stop trying acting like all gun-ho and say "But...Bu.bbuuu....The Olda TECHGA!!! Nintendo is RIPPING YouGAmaga." Everyone TASTES are DIFFERENT! What works for you might not work for me or someone else and what may not work for you might work for someone else. You are 25, great. But that thread SCREAMS you are 8 instead you know that?

Considering you are pounding your keys as you type back to me I hardly feel like im acting like the 8 year old. You want to defend Nintendo thats fine but I listed you plenty of reasons why myself and nobody else in this thread agrees with you . Nintendo sells crap tech rips of the consumer and does it in the name of innovation for suckers like you. Enjoy playing RE4 for the 5th time with the wii remote good bye.

And thank you for leaving! Bye and take care fanboy! Yea, you like high-tech and I don't give a damn about high tech and that makes me a fanboy huh? I like the Wii and you don't so that makes you superior huh? Ok, pot is that black looking good on ya?

[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]

Strydek seriously take the fanboy goggles off. I admit I bash the Wii to know end you know why? Because I use to be one of the biggest Nintendo supporters PERIOD up untill the Gamecube. Fact is after constantly being slaped in the face i changed sides.One only needs to look at the history of Nintendo to be fed up.

1. Nintendo and Super Nintendo were the best systems hands down from the N64 on it went down hill. Why? Because Nintendo claimed that CD gaming ruined the gaming experince with load times. The real reason? Nintendo didnt want to lose money on each N64 they devleoped so they stuck a cheap cartridge format in there sytem and lost almsot all there 3rd party support to Sony which featured a modern day format which looked better was cheaper and easier to devleope for.

2. Then here comes the Gamecube once agian Nintnedo doesnt put a DVD player in it why?Nintnedo claims they want a system thatis just for gaming. Real reason? Nintendo didnt want to put a DVD player in there system becuase theyonce agian didnt want to lose money on there platform so they stuck a mini disk in there console and once again had the most limited format. Was it that big of a deal? Not really certinaley not as big as the N64 days but other mistakes such as (Making Zelda the Windwakercell shaded) A game that got great reviews but had it kept its hardcore look it would have brought many non Nintedo fans over to the system much like OOT did. Thengiving up its 3rd party exclusives without a fight such as RE4 further droped my opionion of them. But even with that I was still with them.

3. Now comes the Wii and the reason why I have left the ranks ofsheep. A system that Nintendo claims is to innovate gaming. The real reason? Nintendo cant keep up with the tech of Sony and Microsoft so they stick 5 year old tech in a boxcreate a new remote and sell there system for $250.00 ( yet it only cost them$160 to make. ) While Microsoftlaunched there system at $400.00( cost them$525 to make each) Sony launched theres for$600( cost them$850 to make each). Now even knowing that the Wii was most likely going to be the biggestgimmick in gaming history( which it is) I was still willing to give it a chance. Andwhat do I get ? Loads of Casual trash( like warior smooth moves and Wii sports) and PS2 and Gamecube remakes with new controls? Seriously the only decent titles they have coming are fromNintendo themselvs which is common for Nintendo consoles buttheWii has more bottom of the barrel crap then any system I can remeber.

Polaris_choice

HeHe. Again, I see someone here is acting like a pot and calling the kettle black and then go on a rant posting stuff about his OPINONs and then say, "here, here is the "FACTS" you guys are all OWNED!!!" I think it's someone else that need to take off those silly goggles!

Ok i wont respond to you anymore as you didnt even read my post. Not once did I say anyone was owned and yes everything I named in there was a fact. Nintnedo makes hardware to cut cost and offer as less as possible to the consumer ive been gaming for about 18 years I am 25.

FACT?!?!? FACT to you maybe but not to everyone else here! Get that stright to your head! The tech IS OLD, we all know that thank you very much but to us who bought the Wii and are enjoying it. do we give a damn? You are trying to "Save" everyone but there is nothing to be saved! If you like the X360 and PS3 then that's fine with me but stop trying acting like all gun-ho and say "But...Bu.bbuuu....The Olda TECHGA!!! Nintendo is RIPPING YouGAmaga." Everyone TASTES are DIFFERENT! What works for you might not work for me or someone else and what may not work for you might work for someone else. You are 25, great. But that thread SCREAMS you are 8 instead you know that?

Considering you are pounding your keys as you type back to me I hardly feel like im acting like the 8 year old. You want to defend Nintendo thats fine but I listed you plenty of reasons why myself and nobody else in this thread agrees with you . Nintendo sells crap tech rips of the consumer and does it in the name of innovation for suckers like you. Enjoy playing RE4 for the 5th time with the wii remote good bye.

nobody else in this thread

you and who else?....one other guy?

yeah, ok...."Nintendo sells crap tech rips of the consumer and does it in the name of innovation for suckers like you." sounds real mature to me....not like some bashing of a company for pretty much nothing...

o well this thread was BEYOND you to begin with

[QUOTE="dlp21"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

Great post. The sheep want to say that yes, people can move on from Wii Fit to say Zelda. Personally, I have yet to see it happen. The only times I've ever seen somebody move on from something like say Tetris or Guitar Hero to more serious games is when myself or one of my friends has actually helped them along in the process. There are several people I know who don't play a ton of games but bought a Wii for Wii Sports. What have they moved on to from there? Mario Party, Wario Ware, Wii Play. Hardly what I call hardcore games. What is the game they want next? Not SMG, not Metroid, but you guessed it... Wii Fit.

Like I said, the first game myself and several of my friends started with was Super Mario Bros. I can see moving on from that to something like Zelda or Metal Gear. But I have never seen somebody move from Guitar Hero to Metal Gear Solid.

StryderK

Let me ask you a question. How do you learn to read great literary arts?? Do you one day pick up "Of War and Peace" or "The Great Gatsby" or "Catch-22". Def not, you learn first with easy simple tasks, then slowly progress to something harder and harder.

You guys undercutting the Wii is fool hearted. What you "hardcore" gamers need to be doing is in fact introducing the Wii to your parents, your wives, kids, friends, neighbors, and everyone else and teaching them games can be fun just like great literary art.

I ask that you seriously read all my posts all on pages 12, 13, 14, etc as I believe have made more then a grandiose argument for the Wii.

Well, I'll bring myself down to their levels and go dumb and stupid for a second:

**Puts on Fanboy Goggles and go back in time**

My GOshagADAGA!!! I LoveGa Super Marioga, Sonicga, MetriodGA!! They are TeH AwSpmEGA!!! TekkenGa, FFGA, What Gama Are TeHese? They WiLL Never Be as HardCoreGA As ThOsE Games!!! ThEy ArE TeH RuIn TeH GAmInGNAGATAGA!!!"

See....I can be dumb too.....Hardcore gamers has to start SOMEWHERE and if it's Wii-Sports or Wii-Fit that get them started, then that is GOOD news because otherwise, they would've never even considering TOUCHING games! And if you do it right and feed them and bring them along SLOWLY, eventually,t hey will become hardcore gamers! It took me around 15 years before I considered myself to be a hard core gamer. It will probably take that long, 10 years before the casuals and non-gamers becomes one too. Yes, some will get lost along the way, but that won't disturb me because anyone that STARTS on gaming is a POTENTIAL hardcore gamer. You can't convert hardcore gamers into even more hardcore. To expand our ranks, you have to start somewhere else.

That's actually not what we're doing at all. All we're saying, and I don't see why it's so hard for you to understand, is that most people who start on something like Wii Fit are less likely to move on to deeper games than somebody who starts on something like Super Mario Bros. back in the day... Oh wait, I do know why, it's because you're a fanboy and everything Nintendo does is perfect.

[QUOTE="dlp21"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

Great post. The sheep want to say that yes, people can move on from Wii Fit to say Zelda. Personally, I have yet to see it happen. The only times I've ever seen somebody move on from something like say Tetris or Guitar Hero to more serious games is when myself or one of my friends has actually helped them along in the process. There are several people I know who don't play a ton of games but bought a Wii for Wii Sports. What have they moved on to from there? Mario Party, Wario Ware, Wii Play. Hardly what I call hardcore games. What is the game they want next? Not SMG, not Metroid, but you guessed it... Wii Fit.

Like I said, the first game myself and several of my friends started with was Super Mario Bros. I can see moving on from that to something like Zelda or Metal Gear. But I have never seen somebody move from Guitar Hero to Metal Gear Solid.

Gamer46

Let me ask you a question. How do you learn to read great literary arts?? Do you one day pick up "Of War and Peace" or "The Great Gatsby" or "Catch-22". Def not, you learn first with easy simple tasks, then slowly progress to something harder and harder.

You guys undercutting the Wii is fool hearted. What you "hardcore" gamers need to be doing is in fact introducing the Wii to your parents, your wives, kids, friends, neighbors, and everyone else and teaching them games can be fun just like great literary art.

I ask that you seriously read all my posts all on pages 12, 13, 14, etc as I believe have made more then a grandiose argument for the Wii.

I've let my dad play Wii Sports plenty of times, he loves the golf, he loves the bowling. But when I tried introducing Zelda or any games to him, he really wasn't interested. Same with my sisters. I wouldn't bother trying to get my girlfriend in to games, there are other things she and I can do with our time rather than sit around and play games all day. And as far as starting little kids on games. My first game was Super Mario Bros. If I were to introduce a five year old to games starting in December this year I'd start them with Super Mario Galaxy because that is more likely to lead to greater things than by starting them on Wii Sports or Wii Fit.

And yes, you did try to make a great case for the Wii, except I still haven't seen it change anything. Most of the people who bought it for Wii Sports go in looking for games more of that ilk. Something like Big Brain, or Wii Play, a quick easy pick-up-and-play game rather than something like RE 4.

Again, you are jumping the gun too quick. Jumping from Wii-Sports all of a sudden to an epic game like Zelda is like feeding a baby baby food and then suddenly handing the baby a 12.oz sirloin steak!

Yea, I LVOE my steak but if you do that the baby will probably be like @.@!!!! Samething with your dad. He's probably like, what the hell is this? Bye Zelda, never heard of you and never will love ya! You gotta bring him along slowly. Have him try RAyman and then Wario Ware next, then Super Paper Mario to try and wake up his inner "Mario" inside of him. Then if that plays well, SSBB before moving to something little bit more hardcore like Metriod PRime. This won't be days or even months, this may TAKE years! Again, going from Wii-Sports to all of a sudden Zelda from a non-gamer perspective is like changing from flying a 747 to suddenly flying in a F-22 Raptor! yea, I would go CRAZY if I get a chance to fly a Raptor but They willbe like, "WTF you want me to do here?!?!?"

And how is that diffrent from going and seeing a movie that isn't great. I am a very selective person, I like the whole idea of something being epic, I envision great change and wild emotions.

Yet the majority of movies are crap, crap that I don't see but many people do because they are casual. Would you say that movies are ruined because of this, no because at the end of the year when the Academy Awards role, everyone finds out who did the best job.

Same with music, there is so much junk out there, but at the end of the year look at who wins the grammies. It's Norah Jones.

The point is that Nintendo is trying to do something that none of you seem to see. It is trying to legitamize gaming as a media format. The only way to do that is to have a broad appeal and yes you are going to have to make some sacrifices, but I promise the rewards us gamers shall reap will be ten fold when the gaming industry is accepted as something that is not kiddy but rather entertaining.

[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="dlp21"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

Great post. The sheep want to say that yes, people can move on from Wii Fit to say Zelda. Personally, I have yet to see it happen. The only times I've ever seen somebody move on from something like say Tetris or Guitar Hero to more serious games is when myself or one of my friends has actually helped them along in the process. There are several people I know who don't play a ton of games but bought a Wii for Wii Sports. What have they moved on to from there? Mario Party, Wario Ware, Wii Play. Hardly what I call hardcore games. What is the game they want next? Not SMG, not Metroid, but you guessed it... Wii Fit.

Like I said, the first game myself and several of my friends started with was Super Mario Bros. I can see moving on from that to something like Zelda or Metal Gear. But I have never seen somebody move from Guitar Hero to Metal Gear Solid.

Gamer46

Let me ask you a question. How do you learn to read great literary arts?? Do you one day pick up "Of War and Peace" or "The Great Gatsby" or "Catch-22". Def not, you learn first with easy simple tasks, then slowly progress to something harder and harder.

You guys undercutting the Wii is fool hearted. What you "hardcore" gamers need to be doing is in fact introducing the Wii to your parents, your wives, kids, friends, neighbors, and everyone else and teaching them games can be fun just like great literary art.

I ask that you seriously read all my posts all on pages 12, 13, 14, etc as I believe have made more then a grandiose argument for the Wii.

Well, I'll bring myself down to their levels and go dumb and stupid for a second:

**Puts on Fanboy Goggles and go back in time**

My GOshagADAGA!!! I LoveGa Super Marioga, Sonicga, MetriodGA!! They are TeH AwSpmEGA!!! TekkenGa, FFGA, What Gama Are TeHese? They WiLL Never Be as HardCoreGA As ThOsE Games!!! ThEy ArE TeH RuIn TeH GAmInGNAGATAGA!!!"

See....I can be dumb too.....Hardcore gamers has to start SOMEWHERE and if it's Wii-Sports or Wii-Fit that get them started, then that is GOOD news because otherwise, they would've never even considering TOUCHING games! And if you do it right and feed them and bring them along SLOWLY, eventually,t hey will become hardcore gamers! It took me around 15 years before I considered myself to be a hard core gamer. It will probably take that long, 10 years before the casuals and non-gamers becomes one too. Yes, some will get lost along the way, but that won't disturb me because anyone that STARTS on gaming is a POTENTIAL hardcore gamer. You can't convert hardcore gamers into even more hardcore. To expand our ranks, you have to start somewhere else.

That's actually not what we'redoing at all. All we're saying, and I don't see why it's so hard for you to understand, isthat most people who start on something like Wii Fit are less likely to move on to deeper games than somebody who starts on something like Super Mario Bros. back in the day... Oh wait, I do know why, it's because you're a fanboy and everything Nintendo does is perfect.

what is it with you and wii fit?

your not a supporter of nintendo then ignore them...why are you posting a ton in this thread and all the other wii isnt ruining gaming threads?

all i know right know is when the wii will be excepted like the PS2 was ill remember you and how you said the wii will ruin gaming...and calling out fanboy without looking in the mirror first...

And how is that diffrent from going and seeing a movie that isn't great. I am a very selective person, I like the whole idea of something being epic, I envision great change and wild emotions.

Yet the majority of movies are crap, crap that I don't see but many people do because they are casual. Would you say that movies are ruined because of this, no because at the end of the year when the Academy Awards role, everyone finds out who did the best job.

Same with music, there is so much junk out there, but at the end of the year look at who wins the grammies. It's Norah Jones.

The point is that Nintendo is trying to do something that none of you seem to see. It is trying to legitamize gaming as a media format. The only way to do that is to have a broad appeal and yes you are going to have to make some sacrifices, but I promise the rewards us gamers shall reap will be ten fold when the gaming industry is accepted as something that is not kiddy but rather entertaining.

dlp21

Yes, sacrifice stuff like Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Ratchet and Clank, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Zelda, for stuff like Wii Fit for the good of the industry, hoping for something that may not even happen and even if it did could take years. Thank you Nintendo, thank you very much. :roll:

[QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="dlp21"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

Great post. The sheep want to say that yes, people can move on from Wii Fit to say Zelda. Personally, I have yet to see it happen. The only times I've ever seen somebody move on from something like say Tetris or Guitar Hero to more serious games is when myself or one of my friends has actually helped them along in the process. There are several people I know who don't play a ton of games but bought a Wii for Wii Sports. What have they moved on to from there? Mario Party, Wario Ware, Wii Play. Hardly what I call hardcore games. What is the game they want next? Not SMG, not Metroid, but you guessed it... Wii Fit.

Like I said, the first game myself and several of my friends started with was Super Mario Bros. I can see moving on from that to something like Zelda or Metal Gear. But I have never seen somebody move from Guitar Hero to Metal Gear Solid.

Gamer46

Let me ask you a question. How do you learn to read great literary arts?? Do you one day pick up "Of War and Peace" or "The Great Gatsby" or "Catch-22". Def not, you learn first with easy simple tasks, then slowly progress to something harder and harder.

You guys undercutting the Wii is fool hearted. What you "hardcore" gamers need to be doing is in fact introducing the Wii to your parents, your wives, kids, friends, neighbors, and everyone else and teaching them games can be fun just like great literary art.

I ask that you seriously read all my posts all on pages 12, 13, 14, etc as I believe have made more then a grandiose argument for the Wii.

Well, I'll bring myself down to their levels and go dumb and stupid for a second:

**Puts on Fanboy Goggles and go back in time**

My GOshagADAGA!!! I LoveGa Super Marioga, Sonicga, MetriodGA!! They are TeH AwSpmEGA!!! TekkenGa, FFGA, What Gama Are TeHese? They WiLL Never Be as HardCoreGA As ThOsE Games!!! ThEy ArE TeH RuIn TeH GAmInGNAGATAGA!!!"

See....I can be dumb too.....Hardcore gamers has to start SOMEWHERE and if it's Wii-Sports or Wii-Fit that get them started, then that is GOOD news because otherwise, they would've never even considering TOUCHING games! And if you do it right and feed them and bring them along SLOWLY, eventually,t hey will become hardcore gamers! It took me around 15 years before I considered myself to be a hard core gamer. It will probably take that long, 10 years before the casuals and non-gamers becomes one too. Yes, some will get lost along the way, but that won't disturb me because anyone that STARTS on gaming is a POTENTIAL hardcore gamer. You can't convert hardcore gamers into even more hardcore. To expand our ranks, you have to start somewhere else.

That's actually not what we're doing at all. All we're saying, and I don't see why it's so hard for you to understand, is that most people who start on something like Wii Fit are less likely to move on to deeper games than somebody who starts on something like Super Mario Bros. back in the day... Oh wait, I do know why, it's because you're a fanboy and everything Nintendo does is perfect.

Sigh, again Gamer, you are NOT understanding this! It makes me a fanboy cause I'm not agreeing with you...ok.

AGain, you are thinking WAY too quick! Just how long it took you to become a hardcore gamer? Now you are trying to apply that same experiences to someone else and thinking, "Since I LOVE gaming, they musta be too now that they got started"! Well, hello, it doesn't work that way! Becoming a hardcore gamer is a long term project that takes perhaps years to accomplish and especially since people tends to stick with the tried and true, you have to encorage them to take chances, not all of sudden try to shove an epic game like Zelda down their throats when they just started on Wii-Sports. That's like teaching a 6 year old how to ride a bicylcle and then shove them into a car and telling them to start driving! Again, go for something like Rayman or Wario Ware, something they believe they are able to handle and are fun at the sametime. With your dad, I won't even consider sending him Zelda till sometime...next year or so!

Also, you said that your dad liked the wii games golf right. Well this is funny because it brings me to my Grandfather. Huge Golf fan right, so one day I am playing my GC, Tiger Woods gold and he asks me how to play, I show him and now he plays Tiger Woods and Baseball Games all the time, my grandfather plays games.

You should try the same with your dad, get him into sports games if that is what he likes.

You just have to sit back and see what people are going to be receptive too.

Think about this, what if schools start using Wii's in Phys Ed, now little girls and boys enjoy it so much they have their parents go get one, the same kids that might not have ever taken intrest, now through time they slowly move through the ranks and by the time they are 20 something years old they are now "hardcore".

Don't think this is possible, Virginia or West Virginia, uses DDR in their Phys ED classes to promote exercise.

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="StryderK"][QUOTE="dlp21"][QUOTE="Gamer46"]

Great post. The sheep want to say that yes, people can move on from Wii Fit to say Zelda. Personally, I have yet to see it happen. The only times I've ever seen somebody move on from something like say Tetris or Guitar Hero to more serious games is when myself or one of my friends has actually helped them along in the process. There are several people I know who don't play a ton of games but bought a Wii for Wii Sports. What have they moved on to from there? Mario Party, Wario Ware, Wii Play. Hardly what I call hardcore games. What is the game they want next? Not SMG, not Metroid, but you guessed it... Wii Fit.

Like I said, the first game myself and several of my friends started with was Super Mario Bros. I can see moving on from that to something like Zelda or Metal Gear. But I have never seen somebody move from Guitar Hero to Metal Gear Solid.

anasbouzid

Let me ask you a question. How do you learn to read great literary arts?? Do you one day pick up "Of War and Peace" or "The Great Gatsby" or "Catch-22". Def not, you learn first with easy simple tasks, then slowly progress to something harder and harder.

You guys undercutting the Wii is fool hearted. What you "hardcore" gamers need to be doing is in fact introducing the Wii to your parents, your wives, kids, friends, neighbors, and everyone else and teaching them games can be fun just like great literary art.

I ask that you seriously read all my posts all on pages 12, 13, 14, etc as I believe have made more then a grandiose argument for the Wii.

Well, I'll bring myself down to their levels and go dumb and stupid for a second:

**Puts on Fanboy Goggles and go back in time**

My GOshagADAGA!!! I LoveGa Super Marioga, Sonicga, MetriodGA!! They are TeH AwSpmEGA!!! TekkenGa, FFGA, What Gama Are TeHese? They WiLL Never Be as HardCoreGA As ThOsE Games!!! ThEy ArE TeH RuIn TeH GAmInGNAGATAGA!!!"

See....I can be dumb too.....Hardcore gamers has to start SOMEWHERE and if it's Wii-Sports or Wii-Fit that get them started, then that is GOOD news because otherwise, they would've never even considering TOUCHING games! And if you do it right and feed them and bring them along SLOWLY, eventually,t hey will become hardcore gamers! It took me around 15 years before I considered myself to be a hard core gamer. It will probably take that long, 10 years before the casuals and non-gamers becomes one too. Yes, some will get lost along the way, but that won't disturb me because anyone that STARTS on gaming is a POTENTIAL hardcore gamer. You can't convert hardcore gamers into even more hardcore. To expand our ranks, you have to start somewhere else.

That's actually not what we'redoing at all. All we're saying, and I don't see why it's so hard for you to understand, isthat most people who start on something like Wii Fit are less likely to move on to deeper games than somebody who starts on something like Super Mario Bros. back in the day... Oh wait, I do know why, it's because you're a fanboy and everything Nintendo does is perfect.

what is it with you and wii fit?

your not a supporter of nintendo then ignore them...why are you posting a ton in this thread and all the other wii isnt ruining gaming threads?

all i know right know is when the wii will be excepted like the PS2 was ill remember you and how you said the wii will ruin gaming...and calling out fanboy without looking in the mirror first...

Once again, I'm not the one who's a fanboy, I don't follow any one company, just call it as I'm seeing it. Secondly, for the Wii to be accepted around these parts like PS2, like PSone, like SNES, it will have deliver the games, and so far it isn't doing that. Sure Nintendo will deliver some of their great first party content, but for the most part if things keep going the way they've been going, the library will never stand up to that of the PS2.

Alright, majority rules that wii isnt ruining gaming because its too early to tell and history tells us what is happening happened before many times including with the PS2

peace out

[QUOTE="dlp21"]

And how is that diffrent from going and seeing a movie that isn't great. I am a very selective person, I like the whole idea of something being epic, I envision great change and wild emotions.

Yet the majority of movies are crap, crap that I don't see but many people do because they are casual. Would you say that movies are ruined because of this, no because at the end of the year when the Academy Awards role, everyone finds out who did the best job.

Same with music, there is so much junk out there, but at the end of the year look at who wins the grammies. It's Norah Jones.

The point is that Nintendo is trying to do something that none of you seem to see. It is trying to legitamize gaming as a media format. The only way to do that is to have a broad appeal and yes you are going to have to make some sacrifices, but I promise the rewards us gamers shall reap will be ten fold when the gaming industry is accepted as something that is not kiddy but rather entertaining.

Gamer46

Yes, sacrifice stuff like Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Ratchet and Clank, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Zelda, for stuff like Wii Fit for the good of the industry, hoping for something that may not even happen and even if it did could take years. Thank you Nintendo, thank you very much. :roll:

JESUS I can't believe I'm saying this again! Like those game will end just because Nintendo is trying to bring in some new customers? If the gaming market is to grow and we hardcore gamers add more to our rank, we need to recruit new gamers and then bring them slowly along to our level. You are expecting people will start playing one day and become hard core gamer the next! Well, sorry if it doesn't work that way! And besides, Wii-Fit is only ONE game! There plenty of hard-core gamers coming this year and next and if you compare the Wii's release list, hard core games actually outnumbers the casual games (not by much but still do).