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[QUOTE="kieranb2000"] Also, Lol@All the people who think that Art Style is seperate from graphics.wolverine4262No, you are wrong. art style and technical graphics cannot be compared by any stretch of the imagination
I tell you what...
Show me the reviews that rate the "art style" and "graphics" as separate categories...
In fact, show me the reviews that differentiate between art style and "technical graphics" yet only use the word "graphics" when they specifically mean "technical graphics" or "graphics technology"...
"Graphics" on it's own means BOTH the art style and the graphics technology powering the visuals when discussing a games "graphics".
Anyone who thinks differently is the one that is in the wrong imo and if they are using the word graphics when they actually mean just the technology/engine behind the graphics then they should specify it as such, and not the other way around.
[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="kieranb2000"] Also, Lol@All the people who think that Art Style is seperate from graphics.kieranb2000No, you are wrong. art style and technical graphics cannot be compared by any stretch of the imagination This award wasn't for Technical graphics however, it was for Graphics as a whole. For a game that impressed Gametrailers with its graphical prowess either artistically or technically. Kirby won for being artistically impressive. Largely because none of the other games shown were graphically impressive artistically or technically other than Rage.
tbh, while i'm okay with this explanation, it's not really worth defending gametrailers when it comes to their choices in best graphics
they've been VERY inconsistent over the years when it comes to rewarding graphics
No, you are wrong. art style and technical graphics cannot be compared by any stretch of the imagination[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="kieranb2000"] Also, Lol@All the people who think that Art Style is seperate from graphics.amaneuvering
I tell you what...
Show me the reviews that rate the "art style" and "graphics" as separate categories...
In fact, show me the reviews that differentiate between art style and "technical graphics" yet only use the word "graphics" when they specifically mean "technical graphics" or "graphics technology"...
"Graphics" on it's own means BOTH the art style and the graphics technology powering the visuals when discussing a games "graphics".
Anyone who thinks differently is the one that is in the wrong imo and if they are using the word graphics when they actually mean just the technology/engine behind the graphics then they should specify it as such, and not the other way around.
You want me to sift through reviews? lol, im good.Honestly, I think that the nomination list should have been shorter. Child of Eden, Rage and Kirby's Epic Yarn were the only graphically impressive games at E3 this year. You can't seperate Graphics into "Graphics" and "Art style" that's silly. You mean, Technically Epic Yarn looks mediocre at best (which I disagree with, but it's your opinion) and Artistically it is beautiful.kieranb2000Yes, you are right. There are technical graphics and artistic graphics, but they are fundamentally different in how they should be evaluated. Artistic graphics are all about originality and being unique. Technical graphics includes many other factors that obviously dont need explanation.
Yes, you are right. There are technical graphics and artistic graphics, but they are fundamentally different in how they should be evaluated. Artistic graphics are all about originality and being unique. Technical graphics includes many other factors that obviously dont need explanation. True, but it's also possible to judge a game's graphics as a whole. The great technical graphics can balance out the lack of artistic graphics if done well. Unfortunately outside of Rage, no games had anything new or impressive technically. So it really came down to just Artistic.[QUOTE="kieranb2000"] Honestly, I think that the nomination list should have been shorter. Child of Eden, Rage and Kirby's Epic Yarn were the only graphically impressive games at E3 this year. You can't seperate Graphics into "Graphics" and "Art style" that's silly. You mean, Technically Epic Yarn looks mediocre at best (which I disagree with, but it's your opinion) and Artistically it is beautiful.wolverine4262
Graphics is Artstyle included They didn't distinguish between Artistic and Technical if it was Best Technical then Kirby wouldn't win if it was Best Artistic then none of the other games would win. But they only said Best Graphics it could mean Artistic or Technical.They dont know the diference between art style and graphics!
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[QUOTE="kieranb2000"] True, but it's also possible to judge a game's graphics as a whole. The great technical graphics can balance out the lack of artistic graphics if done well. Unfortunately outside of Rage, no games had anything new or impressive technically. So it really came down to just Artistic.wolverine4262If that were true, then those games should have been on the list. Like I said before, 2 separate awards would make much more sense...
Pretty much.
You can't put a game like Kirby or Pixeljunk Shooter against an Alan Wake or Killzone 3. Thats completely unfair and ridiculous.tomarlynGraphics means the overall art style, and Kirby wiped the floor clean.
Gotta agree with them...though shouldn't it be in the art style category? IppoTenmaThey didn't have an Artistic Category if they did they should've had two Best Graphics Technical and Best Graphics Artistic. This could even be just Best Graphics Overall.
[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]You can't put a game like Kirby or Pixeljunk Shooter against an Alan Wake or Killzone 3. Thats completely unfair and ridiculous.Fried_ShrimpGraphics means the overall art style, and Kirby wiped the floor clean. No it doesn't. There's art style and there's technical graphics. Kirby shows no great display of technical graphics.
[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"] No, you are wrong. art style and technical graphics cannot be compared by any stretch of the imaginationwolverine4262
I tell you what...
Show me the reviews that rate the "art style" and "graphics" as separate categories...
In fact, show me the reviews that differentiate between art style and "technical graphics" yet only use the word "graphics" when they specifically mean "technical graphics" or "graphics technology"...
"Graphics" on it's own means BOTH the art style and the graphics technology powering the visuals when discussing a games "graphics".
Anyone who thinks differently is the one that is in the wrong imo and if they are using the word graphics when they actually mean just the technology/engine behind the graphics then they should specify it as such, and not the other way around.
You want me to sift through reviews? lol, im good. You don't have to. You just have to look how they categorize their scoring at the end. They don't split it into art style and graphics, or even art style and technical graphics or graphics technology. They simply score GRAPHICS, in the vast majority of cases, and that covers both the art style and the graphics technology. See, I did all the work for you in proving my point.[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]You can't put a game like Kirby or Pixeljunk Shooter against an Alan Wake or Killzone 3. Thats completely unfair and ridiculous.tomarlynGraphics means the overall art style, and Kirby wiped the floor clean. No it doesn't. There's art style and there's technical graphics. Kirby shows no great display of technical graphics. Yes it does. I did a course in Graphic Design.
[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]You can't put a game like Kirby or Pixeljunk Shooter against an Alan Wake or Killzone 3. Thats completely unfair and ridiculous.tomarlynGraphics means the overall art style, and Kirby wiped the floor clean. No it doesn't. There's art style and there's technical graphics. Kirby shows no great display of technical graphics.
I tell you what...
Show me the reviews that rate the "art style" and "graphics" as separate categories...
In fact, show me the reviews that differentiate between art style and "technical graphics" yet only use the word "graphics" when they specifically mean "technical graphics" or "graphics technology"...
"Graphics" on it's own means BOTH the art style and the graphics technology powering the visuals when discussing a games "graphics".
Anyone who thinks differently is the one that is in the wrong imo and if they are using the word graphics when they actually mean just the technology/engine behind the graphics then they should specify it as such, using terms like "technical graphics" or "graphics technology" or something like that, and not the other way around.
[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"] Graphics means the overall art style, and Kirby wiped the floor clean.Fried_ShrimpNo it doesn't. There's art style and there's technical graphics. Kirby shows no great display of technical graphics. Yes it does. I did a course in Graphic Design. Whatever. Art style is subjective and technical graphics are a different beast.
[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"] No it doesn't. There's art style and there's technical graphics. Kirby shows no great display of technical graphics.tomarlynYes it does. I did a course in Graphic Design. Whatever. Art style is subjective and technical graphics are a different beast. Technical graphics can look aweful though. For example, the most technically graphical game on the Wii is the conduit, but overall that game has aweful graphics.
I don't see the point of people arguing. The whole point of debating graphics is for console owners who want to prove which console is more powerful. That is why people always consider graphics just in the technical sense.
Yes there were other games that were artistically well done. But Epic Yarn was easily the most stand-out of them at E3. It is varied and very original. It also had nothing wrong with it either. For example Zelda SS had the bad environments, Epic Mickey showed a lot of the weaker side of the Wii, and Limbo isn't a new idea or that varied etc...
Dude, why have you got a picture of Gordon Brown in your sig? He's not even relevant anymore (not that he ever was).All this just means that developers will work even harder on their current games to look more impressive.
Which is a good thing.
To be beaten by Kirby is a joke. But the joke will be on those who think that this is the best graphics, artsy or not.g0ddyX
No it doesn't. There's art style and there's technical graphics. Kirby shows no great display of technical graphics.[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"] Graphics means the overall art style, and Kirby wiped the floor clean.amaneuvering
I tell you what...
Show me the reviews that rate the "art style" and "graphics" as separate categories...
In fact, show me the reviews that differentiate between art style and "technical graphics" yet only use the word "graphics" when they specifically mean "technical graphics" or "graphics technology"...
"Graphics" on it's own means BOTH the art style and the graphics technology powering the visuals when discussing a games "graphics".
Anyone who thinks differently is the one that is in the wrong imo and if they are using the word graphics when they actually mean just the technology/engine behind the graphics then they should specify it as such, using terms like "technical graphics" or "graphics technology" or something like that, and not the other way around.
Where do you get your reviews from? A professional review most often comments on the specifics of the art style and technical graphics in a game seperately (lighting, textures, etc). Anyone assuming art style and technical achievement is the same thing has no common sense imo.[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"] No it doesn't. There's art style and there's technical graphics. Kirby shows no great display of technical graphics.tomarlynYes it does. I did a course in Graphic Design. Whatever. Art style is subjective and technical graphics are a different beast.
But they never specified "technical graphics".
The simply said "graphics".
Art style is art style.
Technical graphics is technical graphics.
Graphics is both.
[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"] No it doesn't. There's art style and there's technical graphics. Kirby shows no great display of technical graphics.tomarlyn
I tell you what...
Show me the reviews that rate the "art style" and "graphics" as separate categories...
In fact, show me the reviews that differentiate between art style and "technical graphics" yet only use the word "graphics" when they specifically mean "technical graphics" or "graphics technology"...
"Graphics" on it's own means BOTH the art style and the graphics technology powering the visuals when discussing a games "graphics".
Anyone who thinks differently is the one that is in the wrong imo and if they are using the word graphics when they actually mean just the technology/engine behind the graphics then they should specify it as such, using terms like "technical graphics" or "graphics technology" or something like that, and not the other way around.
Where do you get your reviews from? A professional review most often comments on the specifics of the art style and technical graphics in a game seperately (lighting, textures, etc). Anyone assuming art style and technical achievement is the same thing has no common sense imo. Really? Because I thought it was common sense that Graphics refered to the overall look of the game, not a reference to the type of mapping the game uses. :roll:[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]You can't put a game like Kirby or Pixeljunk Shooter against an Alan Wake or Killzone 3. Thats completely unfair and ridiculous.tomarlynGraphics means the overall art style, and Kirby wiped the floor clean. No it doesn't. There's art style and there's technical graphics. Kirby shows no great display of technical graphics. sounds to me like the award was for visual appeal. regardless if it was technical or artistic.
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