Winner of best graphics of e3 2010 (GT)

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#151 Elian2530
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When it comes to visual art style, yes, Kirby takes the crown. I'm actually looking quite forward to it.
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#152 laus_basic
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haters gonna hate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXzg0D-cKds

I, for one, am thrilled Kirby won

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#153 bobcheeseball
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Rofl the Wii has a graphix king now!

Move over Crysis!

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#154 jg4xchamp
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The award should be renamed best art style, because Epic Yarn is no best graphics nominee.FIipMode
art direction/styIe is part of graphics. Not that I agree with the pick, but it's an inspired pick no doubt.
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#155 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]The award should be renamed best art style, because Epic Yarn is no best graphics nominee.jg4xchamp
art direction/styIe is part of graphics. Not that I agree with the pick, but it's an inspired pick no doubt.

Champ beat me to it. Of course it still needs to be asked;

Does Kirby's Epic Yarn have... (wait for it) da foliage??? :o

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#156 _BlueDuck_
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Why is the name of the category being debated here, the category clearly is meant to indicate what's the best looking game (" best graphics" seems like an appropriate label for that). Obviously they don't think Kirby has the best technical graphics. What's the point of saying which one is technically more impressive when in the end that apparently has no bearing on which one actually looks better?

You'll also notice Gamespot also had Kirby listed as a nominee for it's E3 best graphics category, along with other very technically impressive games. Once again, the category isn't best technical graphics, it's simply which ones looked the best; "eye candy", as Gamespot put it.

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#157 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]The award should be renamed best art style, because Epic Yarn is no best graphics nominee.jg4xchamp
art direction/styIe is part of graphics. Not that I agree with the pick, but it's an inspired pick no doubt.

Yeah it just seemed they were going strictly technical by their other nominations, they should probably split technical and artistic up, like GS does.
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#158 _BlueDuck_
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="FIipMode"]The award should be renamed best art style, because Epic Yarn is no best graphics nominee.FIipMode
art direction/styIe is part of graphics. Not that I agree with the pick, but it's an inspired pick no doubt.

Yeah it just seemed they were going strictly technical by their other nominations, they should probably split technical and artistic up, like GS does.

Gamespot's E3 awards only had "Best Graphics", the nominees are Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, Gran Turismo 5, Crysis 2, Killzone 3 and Kirby: Epic Yarn. Gran Turismo won.

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#159 Ringx55
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Don't worry all, GT5 won it from GS! :)
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#160 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="FIipMode"]The award should be renamed best art style, because Epic Yarn is no best graphics nominee.FIipMode
art direction/styIe is part of graphics. Not that I agree with the pick, but it's an inspired pick no doubt.

Yeah it just seemed they were going strictly technical by their other nominations, they should probably split technical and artistic up, like GS does.

Nah I say keep it one award. Whats the point of being so visually impressive on a technical level if you used all those poly counts, those textures, that scale/draw distance, etc to make up something ugly?(not that Crysis or something is ugly ..just saying) I say keep it in one category and just go straight up and say it. This is what we think is visually the most impressive or memorable game for its visuals. For a medium that has a following more than ready to call it "art" it shouldn't exactly be one that gets a free pass when the art direction isn't good.
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#161 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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Since when does a good looking game have to be pushing a lot of Polygons?

Kirby looks amazing, I feel saddened that the shortsighted fanboys can't see past polygon count. Great choice by GameTrailers and further proof Wii is a great console.

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#162 kansasdude2009
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To all those complaining that there should be a separation between technical graphics and art style -- What's the point of technical graphics if a 2D platformer that creatively puts yarn, a visual style, as a gameplay element ultimately looks and feels better? Graphics are art and technical proficiency combined, and that is Kirby's Epic Yarn. Hands down.

Thought... it would have been nice to see better nominations. >_>

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#163 Meowmixxvi
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lol, epic yarn wins? has to be a joke.

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whats wrong with that? i thought the art work was a nice touch to the kirby series.
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#164 Espada12
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So it won because it was artsy? No wonder jaffe is fed up of people putting these on a pedestal.

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#165 DaViD_99
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This was pretty much an attention grab, since like others said, they placed 3 other kind of boring looking shooters with this game. Should of put up Rayman Origins and Child of Eden. But still, this deserved it. And I don't see why they would have to place tech graphics and art style graphics into 2 different categories. Sorry, that just wouldn't make sense.
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#166 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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So it won because it was artsy? No wonder jaffe is fed up of people putting these on a pedestal.

Espada12
No, it won because it looked nice, colorful, unique, varied and imaginative, not because it was "artsy".
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#167 Kleeyook
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I just can't accept this crap! :(
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#168 deactivated-64ba3ebd35404
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This was pretty much an attention grab, since like others said, they placed 3 other kind of boring looking shooters with this game. Should of put up Rayman Origins and Child of Eden. But still, this deserved it. And I don't see why they would have to place tech graphics and art style graphics into 2 different categories. Sorry, that just wouldn't make sense. DaViD_99
I disagree with Rayman Origins, since that looked like some kind of indie flash game, but not as good as indie flash games look (Machinarium
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#169 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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I just can't accept this crap! :(Kleeyook

Sad to see people with such a narrow viewpoint of graphics.

I've said this before so many times. Graphics is defined by art direction. Graphics has always been more an art than a science. The technology is merely the tool for the artists to bring their vision to life, and that isn't always limited to "photorealism".

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#170 Kenny789
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Wow not what I would've picked but now that I think about it, it does deserve it. One of the games that shocked me the most at E3, looks so adorable!
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#171 xsubtownerx
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[QUOTE="Kleeyook"]I just can't accept this crap! :(AdobeArtist

Sad to see people with such a narrow viewpoint of graphics.

I've said this before so many times. Graphics is defined by art direction. Graphics has always been more an art than a science. The technology is merely the tool for the artists to bring their vision to life, and that isn't always limited to "photorealism".

But it shouldn't be limited to only originality either, should it?
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#172 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] art direction/styIe is part of graphics. Not that I agree with the pick, but it's an inspired pick no doubt._BlueDuck_

Yeah it just seemed they were going strictly technical by their other nominations, they should probably split technical and artistic up, like GS does.

Gamespot's E3 awards only had "Best Graphics", the nominees are Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, Gran Turismo 5, Crysis 2, Killzone 3 and Kirby: Epic Yarn. Gran Turismo won.

No I meant their best of year awards, they split it up, and I like that so a game like Uncharted 2 and Muramasa can win best graphics.
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#173 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

They dont know the diference between art style and graphics!

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Graphics is Artstyle included They didn't distinguish between Artistic and Technical if it was Best Technical then Kirby wouldn't win if it was Best Artistic then none of the other games would win. But they only said Best Graphics it could mean Artistic or Technical.

Usually graphics mean the technical aspects. Thats why we all accept Crysis is the graphics king and not Mario Galaxy 2 for example.

Im not trying to hate since i love Nintendo and 2D games but imo giving Kirby the best graphics award doesnt make sense! Its just a beautifull and original 2D game

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#174 toxicmog
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Um since when are Graphics and art style the same thing?? This best GRAPHICS of e3 = fail.

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It's all rolled into one. Duh o.O
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#175 ManicAce
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It stands out and the visual design is certainly creative. Despite that I wouldn't say it looks the best. And was it really the only artsy game of the show.
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#176 wiifan001
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Kirby :shock: That's freekin awesome :lol:
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#177 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Kleeyook"]I just can't accept this crap! :(xsubtownerx

Sad to see people with such a narrow viewpoint of graphics.

I've said this before so many times. Graphics is defined by art direction. Graphics has always been more an art than a science. The technology is merely the tool for the artists to bring their vision to life, and that isn't always limited to "photorealism".

But it shouldn't be limited to only originality either, should it?

If it did alot of xbla/psn games would win best graphics awards left and right,but the fact is that they dont. So how the hell does this work out. It doesint make any sense what so ever.

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#178 amaneuvering
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Why is the name of the category being debated here, the category clearly is meant to indicate what's the best looking game (" best graphics" seems like an appropriate label for that). Obviously they don't think Kirby has the best technical graphics. What's the point of saying which one is technically more impressive when in the end that apparently has no bearing on which one actually looks better?

You'll also notice Gamespot also had Kirby listed as a nominee for it's E3 best graphics category, along with other very technically impressive games. Once again, the category isn't best technical graphics, it's simply which ones looked the best; "eye candy", as Gamespot put it.

_BlueDuck_

Word.

Both Gamespot and GT are obviously using the word "graphics" to mean both the art style and the technical graphics. IGN does the same too, as does virtually every single gaming site on the Internet or gaming magazine etc.

That is the correct way to use it imo and it's how magazines and video game sites have been using the word since the dawn of video games and when reviewing how good a games graphics are.

I think that's how we should all be using it too and if anyone only means art style or technical graphics then that is what they should say/specify, and not the other way around.

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#179 gunit3000
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Troll xD

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#180 loco145
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Don't worry all, GT5 won it from GS! :)Ringx55
Metr0 2033 got robed.
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#181 gago-gago
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Great choice, and the best part is that it wasn't shown in 3D.

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#182 Supafly1
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I think there weren't any jaw dropping games at E3 this year like Crysis or Uncharted 2 was. So that's why they chose Kirby as the winner since it had quite charming graphics, mind that it wasn't running on PS3, X-box 360 or on a PC.
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#183 Killfox
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GT fails again. Theres no doubt I love the look of the game, but come on. Seriously???
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#184 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="brandontwb"]Tell me, how do you define graphics and how do you define art style?

brandontwb

Technical graphics - resolution, texture resolution, lighting, partical effects, poly count, etc - balanced with framerate. Art style - attention to detail, animation, use of technical graphics, pure subjective opinion mostly.

Your technical graphics definition is flawed... That would mean PC wins every time with technical graphics. A PC game doesn't have any limitations. That means regardless of the processing, a good frame rate could be achieved given enough processing abilities. Even if we were to use say Xbox 360 or PS3, where this category is limited.... the technical aspects of all the games that take advantage of a system 100% are all equal, that means one game cannot technically be better than another if they all use 100% of the machine for visual effects, and no wasted processes. Additionally, a game could be created with super high resolution texture of a grey wall, use tons of lighting effects, and have a single sphere in a room containing a trillion polygons. That means it has better technical graphics than Crysis, right? Technical graphics mean nothing, it all about how the processing power is used for art style.

And how many PC games shown at E3 were nominated? I know the PC doesn't have the same limitations as a console but giving it a free pass is unfair. What you do with what you've got (technically)is important.

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#185 Espada12
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So it won because it was artsy? No wonder jaffe is fed up of people putting these on a pedestal.

IronBass

No, it won because it looked nice, colorful, unique, varied and imaginative, not because it was "artsy".

Isn't that the definition of artsy?

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#186 Human-after-all
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Umm artstylegraphics and tec graphics are 2 different things GT. Dam GT just sucks when it comes to making any sense.

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Why are they 2 different things? Uncharted 2 has small linear corridors and very little going on and unimpressive in that regard to lets say KZ2. Yet it still wins graphics king because its visually more appealing. Art style is graphics, hate to break it to ya.

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#187 blaznwiipspman1
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I think kirby looked really good as well but KZ3 looked the most impressive IMO.

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#188 deactivated-64ba3ebd35404
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I think kirby looked really good as well but KZ3 looked the most impressive IMO.

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Really? Did you play Killzone 2? They have literally changed nothing graphically other than the setting and the fact it now runs at half the framerate in 3D.
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#189 Sollet
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haha nice!
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#190 x8VXU6
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[QUOTE="x8VXU6"]

[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"]Graphics also means art style. Kirby is legit.Fried_Shrimp

no it doesnt..........I hate the new Zelda art style but the graphics are good(for a wii) its different

Ah but The Coduit has aweful graphics but a lot of technical stuff going on.

yea but its still different

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#191 goblaa
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

So it won because it was artsy? No wonder jaffe is fed up of people putting these on a pedestal.

Espada12

No, it won because it looked nice, colorful, unique, varied and imaginative, not because it was "artsy".

Isn't that the definition of artsy?

um....no. Not at all. If it is, that's a very shallow definition.

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#192 Tessellation
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the game deserves it..looks simple amazing.
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#193 chaplainDMK
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Yeah nice atention whoring GT...

Whats next? Best gameplay goes to the PS3 move bundled game? And best multiplayer for Fallout New Vegas?

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#194 Lab392
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I'm okay with that selection. No game has ever looked anything like Epic Yarn.

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#195 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Isn't that the definition of artsy?Espada12

No. The word "artsy" is used to describe something that tries (offten in a showy, pretentious, way) to be "art".

Having a unique artstyIe =/= artsy.

You could (if your defintion of art fits that) consider Kirby EY an "artsy" game, but that is not Nintendo's intention nor the reason why GT chose it.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]Isn't that the definition of artsy?IronBass

No. The word "artsy" is used to describe something that tries (offten in a showy, pretentious, way) to be "art".

Having a unique artstyIe =/= artsy.

You could (if your defintion of art fits that) consider Kirby EY an "artsy" game, but that is not Nintendo's intention nor the reason why GT chose it.

Exactly, Artsy is reserved for the pretentious games like Flow and Flower, where the developers themselves refer to it as Art.
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#197 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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in video game terms: Graphics is just the technical looks so I think that was a bad pick. For art style Kirby looked great but seriosuly it should've been Rage or Crysis 2

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#198 deactivated-64ba3ebd35404
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in video game terms: Graphics is just the technical looks so I think that was a bad pick. For art style Kirby looked great but seriosuly it should've been Rage or Crysis 2

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Graphics has NEVER just been about the technical looks in video game terms. Your own ignorance about the subject doesn't make it true.
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#199 Ondoval
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I'm not surprised, since Gametrailers chose COD 4 over Crysis and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. as game with best graphics in 2007 and Gears Of War 2 over Warhead and Call Of Prypiat as best graphics in 2008...

Is insane, due the only merit in Kirby's Epic Yarn technical department is artistic, There's nothing awesome -resolution of the textures, postproccess, global lightning illumination, parallax mapping, object motion blur, facial motion capture, fx particles or physics... - in the technical department from the Nintendo games, specifically in this generation.

The thing is even worse -and more insulting- due Nintendo's is unable to push the boundaries of the software in any way, constantly making the same remakes of the same games time after time after time after time... So... ok, keep dreaming GT and sheeps, no one cares about Kirby's graphical wise. But I'll rolf any time I will see this:

...In a Shattered Horizon, Metro 2033, Crysis 2, Rage, Killzone 3, Gears 3, GT 5 thread.