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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]The award should be renamed best art style, because Epic Yarn is no best graphics nominee.jg4xchampart direction/styIe is part of graphics. Not that I agree with the pick, but it's an inspired pick no doubt.
Champ beat me to it. Of course it still needs to be asked;
Does Kirby's Epic Yarn have... (wait for it) da foliage??? :o
Why is the name of the category being debated here, the category clearly is meant to indicate what's the best looking game (" best graphics" seems like an appropriate label for that). Obviously they don't think Kirby has the best technical graphics. What's the point of saying which one is technically more impressive when in the end that apparently has no bearing on which one actually looks better?
You'll also notice Gamespot also had Kirby listed as a nominee for it's E3 best graphics category, along with other very technically impressive games. Once again, the category isn't best technical graphics, it's simply which ones looked the best; "eye candy", as Gamespot put it.
[QUOTE="FIipMode"]The award should be renamed best art style, because Epic Yarn is no best graphics nominee.jg4xchampart direction/styIe is part of graphics. Not that I agree with the pick, but it's an inspired pick no doubt. Yeah it just seemed they were going strictly technical by their other nominations, they should probably split technical and artistic up, like GS does.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="FIipMode"]The award should be renamed best art style, because Epic Yarn is no best graphics nominee.FIipModeart direction/styIe is part of graphics. Not that I agree with the pick, but it's an inspired pick no doubt. Yeah it just seemed they were going strictly technical by their other nominations, they should probably split technical and artistic up, like GS does.
Gamespot's E3 awards only had "Best Graphics", the nominees are Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, Gran Turismo 5, Crysis 2, Killzone 3 and Kirby: Epic Yarn. Gran Turismo won.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="FIipMode"]The award should be renamed best art style, because Epic Yarn is no best graphics nominee.FIipModeart direction/styIe is part of graphics. Not that I agree with the pick, but it's an inspired pick no doubt. Yeah it just seemed they were going strictly technical by their other nominations, they should probably split technical and artistic up, like GS does. Nah I say keep it one award. Whats the point of being so visually impressive on a technical level if you used all those poly counts, those textures, that scale/draw distance, etc to make up something ugly?(not that Crysis or something is ugly ..just saying) I say keep it in one category and just go straight up and say it. This is what we think is visually the most impressive or memorable game for its visuals. For a medium that has a following more than ready to call it "art" it shouldn't exactly be one that gets a free pass when the art direction isn't good.
Since when does a good looking game have to be pushing a lot of Polygons?
Kirby looks amazing, I feel saddened that the shortsighted fanboys can't see past polygon count. Great choice by GameTrailers and further proof Wii is a great console.
To all those complaining that there should be a separation between technical graphics and art style -- What's the point of technical graphics if a 2D platformer that creatively puts yarn, a visual style, as a gameplay element ultimately looks and feels better? Graphics are art and technical proficiency combined, and that is Kirby's Epic Yarn. Hands down.
Thought... it would have been nice to see better nominations. >_>
whats wrong with that? i thought the art work was a nice touch to the kirby series.lol, epic yarn wins? has to be a joke.
markinthedark
No, it won because it looked nice, colorful, unique, varied and imaginative, not because it was "artsy".So it won because it was artsy? No wonder jaffe is fed up of people putting these on a pedestal.
Espada12
This was pretty much an attention grab, since like others said, they placed 3 other kind of boring looking shooters with this game. Should of put up Rayman Origins and Child of Eden. But still, this deserved it. And I don't see why they would have to place tech graphics and art style graphics into 2 different categories. Sorry, that just wouldn't make sense. DaViD_99I disagree with Rayman Origins, since that looked like some kind of indie flash game, but not as good as indie flash games look (Machinarium
I just can't accept this crap! :(Kleeyook
Sad to see people with such a narrow viewpoint of graphics.
I've said this before so many times. Graphics is defined by art direction. Graphics has always been more an art than a science. The technology is merely the tool for the artists to bring their vision to life, and that isn't always limited to "photorealism".
[QUOTE="Kleeyook"]I just can't accept this crap! :(AdobeArtist
Sad to see people with such a narrow viewpoint of graphics.
I've said this before so many times. Graphics is defined by art direction. Graphics has always been more an art than a science. The technology is merely the tool for the artists to bring their vision to life, and that isn't always limited to "photorealism".
But it shouldn't be limited to only originality either, should it?Yeah it just seemed they were going strictly technical by their other nominations, they should probably split technical and artistic up, like GS does.[QUOTE="FIipMode"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] art direction/styIe is part of graphics. Not that I agree with the pick, but it's an inspired pick no doubt._BlueDuck_
Gamespot's E3 awards only had "Best Graphics", the nominees are Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, Gran Turismo 5, Crysis 2, Killzone 3 and Kirby: Epic Yarn. Gran Turismo won.
No I meant their best of year awards, they split it up, and I like that so a game like Uncharted 2 and Muramasa can win best graphics.Graphics is Artstyle included They didn't distinguish between Artistic and Technical if it was Best Technical then Kirby wouldn't win if it was Best Artistic then none of the other games would win. But they only said Best Graphics it could mean Artistic or Technical.[QUOTE="PAL360"]
They dont know the diference between art style and graphics!
Nintendo_Ownes7
Usually graphics mean the technical aspects. Thats why we all accept Crysis is the graphics king and not Mario Galaxy 2 for example.
Im not trying to hate since i love Nintendo and 2D games but imo giving Kirby the best graphics award doesnt make sense! Its just a beautifull and original 2D game
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="Kleeyook"]I just can't accept this crap! :(xsubtownerx
Sad to see people with such a narrow viewpoint of graphics.
I've said this before so many times. Graphics is defined by art direction. Graphics has always been more an art than a science. The technology is merely the tool for the artists to bring their vision to life, and that isn't always limited to "photorealism".
But it shouldn't be limited to only originality either, should it?If it did alot of xbla/psn games would win best graphics awards left and right,but the fact is that they dont. So how the hell does this work out. It doesint make any sense what so ever.
Why is the name of the category being debated here, the category clearly is meant to indicate what's the best looking game (" best graphics" seems like an appropriate label for that). Obviously they don't think Kirby has the best technical graphics. What's the point of saying which one is technically more impressive when in the end that apparently has no bearing on which one actually looks better?
You'll also notice Gamespot also had Kirby listed as a nominee for it's E3 best graphics category, along with other very technically impressive games. Once again, the category isn't best technical graphics, it's simply which ones looked the best; "eye candy", as Gamespot put it.
_BlueDuck_
Word.
Both Gamespot and GT are obviously using the word "graphics" to mean both the art style and the technical graphics. IGN does the same too, as does virtually every single gaming site on the Internet or gaming magazine etc.
That is the correct way to use it imo and it's how magazines and video game sites have been using the word since the dawn of video games and when reviewing how good a games graphics are.
I think that's how we should all be using it too and if anyone only means art style or technical graphics then that is what they should say/specify, and not the other way around.
[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="brandontwb"]Tell me, how do you define graphics and how do you define art style?Technical graphics - resolution, texture resolution, lighting, partical effects, poly count, etc - balanced with framerate. Art style - attention to detail, animation, use of technical graphics, pure subjective opinion mostly. Your technical graphics definition is flawed... That would mean PC wins every time with technical graphics. A PC game doesn't have any limitations. That means regardless of the processing, a good frame rate could be achieved given enough processing abilities. Even if we were to use say Xbox 360 or PS3, where this category is limited.... the technical aspects of all the games that take advantage of a system 100% are all equal, that means one game cannot technically be better than another if they all use 100% of the machine for visual effects, and no wasted processes. Additionally, a game could be created with super high resolution texture of a grey wall, use tons of lighting effects, and have a single sphere in a room containing a trillion polygons. That means it has better technical graphics than Crysis, right? Technical graphics mean nothing, it all about how the processing power is used for art style. And how many PC games shown at E3 were nominated? I know the PC doesn't have the same limitations as a console but giving it a free pass is unfair. What you do with what you've got (technically)is important.brandontwb
[QUOTE="Espada12"]No, it won because it looked nice, colorful, unique, varied and imaginative, not because it was "artsy".So it won because it was artsy? No wonder jaffe is fed up of people putting these on a pedestal.
IronBass
Isn't that the definition of artsy?
Why are they 2 different things? Uncharted 2 has small linear corridors and very little going on and unimpressive in that regard to lets say KZ2. Yet it still wins graphics king because its visually more appealing. Art style is graphics, hate to break it to ya.Umm artstylegraphics and tec graphics are 2 different things GT. Dam GT just sucks when it comes to making any sense.
finalfantasy94
Really? Did you play Killzone 2? They have literally changed nothing graphically other than the setting and the fact it now runs at half the framerate in 3D.I think kirby looked really good as well but KZ3 looked the most impressive IMO.
blaznwiipspman1
[QUOTE="x8VXU6"]no it doesnt..........I hate the new Zelda art style but the graphics are good(for a wii) its different Ah but The Coduit has aweful graphics but a lot of technical stuff going on.yea but its still different[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"]Graphics also means art style. Kirby is legit.Fried_Shrimp
No, it won because it looked nice, colorful, unique, varied and imaginative, not because it was "artsy".[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Espada12"]
So it won because it was artsy? No wonder jaffe is fed up of people putting these on a pedestal.
Espada12
Isn't that the definition of artsy?
um....no. Not at all. If it is, that's a very shallow definition.
Yeah nice atention whoring GT...
Whats next? Best gameplay goes to the PS3 move bundled game? And best multiplayer for Fallout New Vegas?
Isn't that the definition of artsy?Espada12
No. The word "artsy" is used to describe something that tries (offten in a showy, pretentious, way) to be "art".
Having a unique artstyIe =/= artsy.
You could (if your defintion of art fits that) consider Kirby EY an "artsy" game, but that is not Nintendo's intention nor the reason why GT chose it.
[QUOTE="Espada12"]Isn't that the definition of artsy?IronBass
No. The word "artsy" is used to describe something that tries (offten in a showy, pretentious, way) to be "art".
Having a unique artstyIe =/= artsy.
You could (if your defintion of art fits that) consider Kirby EY an "artsy" game, but that is not Nintendo's intention nor the reason why GT chose it.
Exactly, Artsy is reserved for the pretentious games like Flow and Flower, where the developers themselves refer to it as Art.in video game terms: Graphics is just the technical looks so I think that was a bad pick. For art style Kirby looked great but seriosuly it should've been Rage or Crysis 2
Graphics has NEVER just been about the technical looks in video game terms. Your own ignorance about the subject doesn't make it true.in video game terms: Graphics is just the technical looks so I think that was a bad pick. For art style Kirby looked great but seriosuly it should've been Rage or Crysis 2
OB-47
I'm not surprised, since Gametrailers chose COD 4 over Crysis and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. as game with best graphics in 2007 and Gears Of War 2 over Warhead and Call Of Prypiat as best graphics in 2008...
Is insane, due the only merit in Kirby's Epic Yarn technical department is artistic, There's nothing awesome -resolution of the textures, postproccess, global lightning illumination, parallax mapping, object motion blur, facial motion capture, fx particles or physics... - in the technical department from the Nintendo games, specifically in this generation.
The thing is even worse -and more insulting- due Nintendo's is unable to push the boundaries of the software in any way, constantly making the same remakes of the same games time after time after time after time... So... ok, keep dreaming GT and sheeps, no one cares about Kirby's graphical wise. But I'll rolf any time I will see this:
...In a Shattered Horizon, Metro 2033, Crysis 2, Rage, Killzone 3, Gears 3, GT 5 thread.
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