Is this some kind of sick joke?
Stringerboy
Is. If they (GT) want to catch artistic and technical in the same visual award then then the only winner choice is Trine 2:
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Meh its just a 2d game now i like 2d and it can certianly look nice but they just don't have the same WOW factor and don't impressive me the way that 3d game do.The best graphics should go to the game that combines great techinal power and great visual design to create an amazing looking game in which case i would have to pick Rage above the likes of killzone 3,crysis 2, and gears of war 3.
[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]
Um since when are Graphics and art style the same thing?? This best GRAPHICS of e3 = fail.
AmayaPapaya
They are rated under the same. Artstyle matters a lot in the way a game looks.
true dat
proof: a jumble of a billion polygons in random shapes, with super high res textures of just wood, super realistiic lighting that is as bright as the sun... good technical graphics, not good artisitc graphics. not good graphics.
This is true. Kirby also does something different with its style, compared to most of the other games at E3 which were mostly sequels that looked identical to their predecessor. I personally think that Rage should have won over Kirby overall, but I completely understand why Kirby would win, it does look gorgeous.I'm fine with this. People hype up tech more than the actual look of the game. It means nothing if there is tech but nothing pleasant to look at. Its pathetic most people in this thread don't get that concept.
ActicEdge
Wrong. Read any game review from the last 20 years in any games mag or online, or any awards for best "graphics" in any games mag or on any games site for the last 20 years, and you will see that the term is most commonly used to refer to a combination of the games art style and graphics technology. Graphics is most commonly used to refer to BOTH a games art style AND graphics technology. Art style is used to refer to art style. Graphic technology or technical graphics is most commonly used to refer to a games technical aspects.in video game terms: Graphics is just the technical looks so I think that was a bad pick. For art style Kirby looked great but seriosuly it should've been Rage or Crysis 2
OB-47
[QUOTE="OB-47"]Graphics has NEVER just been about the technical looks in video game terms. Your own ignorance about the subject doesn't make it true.in video game terms: Graphics is just the technical looks so I think that was a bad pick. For art style Kirby looked great but seriosuly it should've been Rage or Crysis 2
kieranb2000
Word.
Only in small fanboy circles and places like System Wars do people use the word graphics to solely refer to a games technical graphics/graphics technology.
Read any games magazine, or visit any games site, where they rate a game on it's "graphics" and you will find in nearly 100% of the situations that the category of "graphics" takes into consideration BOTH a games art style AND technical aspects.
Here's just one example to back up my statement: "Graphics. How the game looks as well as technical issues like animation quality, texture design, and framerate." - http://uk.games.ign.com/ratings.html
From the largest professional games site on the entire Internet no less.
Notice how there are no separate categories for art sytle and technical graphics, just graphics which covers both.
If you can be bothered to go do some research you will see the same thing time and time again across the entire Internet and throughout the entire history of video games from the very earliest days of gaming.
Graphics on it's own, when used in the context of video games, most commonly refers to BOTH a games art sytle AND technical aspects.
Anyone who says otherwise is quite simply wrong.
If you specifically mean something else and want other people to understand that too then use either art sytle or technical graphics/graphics technology. Otherwise you are the one that's causing the problem and confusion.
GT has used the term "graphics" absolutely correctly and I am not confused in the slightest when they say that Kirby's Epic Yarn has the best graphics of E3 2010.
If you are confused by this then maybe it's time start asking if maybe you have been thinking of this wrong, rather than the other way around (but of coures...the whole Internet and games publications have been wrong for the last 30 years and you are right)...
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Is this some kind of sick joke?
Ondoval
Is. If they (GT) want to catch artistic and technical in the same visual award then then the only winner choice is Trine 2:
Those are indeed some rather nice graphics.
Is insane, due the only merit in Kirby's Epic Yarn technical department is artistic, There's nothing awesome -resolution of the textures, postproccess, global lightning illumination, parallax mapping, object motion blur, facial motion capture, fx particles or physics... - in the technical department from the Nintendo games, specifically in this generation.Ondoval
Indeed. That's why Kirby EY won because of its styIe.
Which is great, since that shows how irrelevant all those "resolution of the textures, postproccess, global lightning illumination, parallax mapping, object motion blur, facial motion capture, fx particles or physics" are without a great artstyIe to back them up.
The thing is even worse -and more insulting- due Nintendo's is unable to push the boundaries of the software in any way, constantly making the same remakes of the same games time after time after time after time... Ondoval
That's not true. Nintendo as a dev and publisher has been outstanding this gen, with more than 40 games rated 80+ in metacritic. The 2 highest rated games (both Galaxies) are made by them.
So... ok, keep dreaming GT and sheeps, no one cares about Kirby's graphical wise. Ondoval
That's not true, either. Every preview of the game has stated how great it looks. Even GS nominated it for Best Graphics:o
So yeah, a lof of people care about how the game looks.
Outside the isolated world of System Wars, this is the definition of graphics: artwork: photographs or other visual representations Last I checked an art style is artwork, and is a visual representation of something. GT thought that Epic Yarn was the best looking game of the show, and therefore it had the best graphics. Gamespot divides it up into Artistic and Technical to avoid stupidity like this, but they understand both are technically great graphics.Um since when are Graphics and art style the same thing?? This best GRAPHICS of e3 = fail.
bigblunt537
They really need to separate between Best Technical Graphics and Best Art Style...XenogearsMaster
Maybe.
But they don't.
That is precisely why they have used just the word "graphics" rather than "art style" or "technical graphics/graphics technology".
They are not scoring the separate elements that make up a game's graphics individually and I personally think that is completely obvious in the context of their award.
Maybe its because some people just don't find kirby epic yarn to have impressive looking graphics. People have a right to think epic yarn has the best graphics at e3 which is fine thats there opinion but people also have an equal right to think its graphics are not the best as thats there opinion as well. Which game looks the best is highly subjective and depends on the individual.I'm fine with this. People hype up tech more than the actual look of the game. It means nothing if there is tech but nothing pleasant to look at. Its pathetic most people in this thread don't get that concept.
ActicEdge
hmmm strange..
If the Award was called "best looking game at E3" then they may have a point.. But best graphics???
Best looking = best graphics.That's false. Gears of War 3 looks very impressive so far (as every hands-on has said). Killzone 3 looks better? Maybe. But it making GeoW3 look last gen is just plain false.Holy hell, Killzone 3 makes Gears 3 look last-gen. It's not far behind Crysis 2.
Kan0nF0dder
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]Maybe its because some people just don't find kirby epic yarn to have impressive looking graphics. People have a right to think epic yarn has the best graphics at e3 which is fine thats there opinion but people also have an equal right to think its graphics are not the best as thats there opinion as well. Which game looks the best is highly subjective and depends on the individual.I'm fine with this. People hype up tech more than the actual look of the game. It means nothing if there is tech but nothing pleasant to look at. Its pathetic most people in this thread don't get that concept.
DJ_Headshot
Thank you for enlightening on this possible view point I was completely unaware of before you valiantly decided to point it out . . . . :roll:
For missing the entrie point of the post, I don't know what to say. I never said anything about the game being deserving, I said tech is not the same as a visually impressive game. People should not confuse the 2.
not really. Kirby's art style is distinctive and easy on the eyes (at least to me) :)lol, epic yarn wins? has to be a joke.
markinthedark
[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]That's false. Gears of War 3 looks very impressive so far (as every hands-on has said). Killzone 3 looks better? Maybe. But it making GeoW3 look last gen is just plain false.Holy hell, Killzone 3 makes Gears 3 look last-gen. It's not far behind Crysis 2.
The_RedLion
I'm basing this opinion purely off the video in the OP from Gametrailers - you don't need the 'hands-on' opinions :|
I'm basing this opinion purely off the video in the OP from Gametrailers - you don't need the 'hands-on' opinions :|Kan0nF0dderThen maybe you had a streaming problem during the GeoW3 part, because the game looks very good.
[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]I'm basing this opinion purely off the video in the OP from Gametrailers - you don't need the 'hands-on' opinions :|The_RedLionThen maybe you had a streaming problem during the GeoW3 part, because the game looks very good.
Did you think Killzone 3 looked better?
Did you think Killzone 3 looked better?Kan0nF0dderYes. Not far better, but better. Which does not change that GeoW3 looks very good.
[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]Did you think Killzone 3 looked better?The_RedLionYes. Not far better, but better. Which does not change that GeoW3 looks very good.
Then atleast we're almost on the same page, I think it looks significantly better though.
Then atleast we're almost on the same page, I think it looks significantly better thoughKan0nF0dder
We are not close to think the same.
I'm no a fan of overreactions. KZ3 looks better than GeoW3, period. But I'm not even close to believe that it looks signifcantly better, or that it makes GeoW3 look like a last gen game, because that's simply wrong.
Best looking = best graphics. Damn, beat me to it :) Yay people who agree with me :D. Graphics don't have to be technical to be the best. I think Gears of War 2 has horrid graphics, but I think Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker has amazing graphics. Doesn't take a genius to figure out which one is more technically advanced, but it doesn't mean it has better graphics. It's such a horrible double standard. People say for graphics to be good they have to be technical, then at the same exact time they bash another game for having bad graphics because it's all gray and brown.[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="tumle"]
hmmm strange..
If the Award was called "best looking game at E3" then they may have a point.. But best graphics???
St_muscat
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