Winner of best graphics of e3 2010 (GT)

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#101 amaneuvering
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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"] You don't have to. You just have to look how they categorize their scoring at the end. They don't split it into art style and graphics, or even art style and technical graphics or graphics technology. They simply score GRAPHICS, in the vast majority of cases, and that covers both the art style and the graphics technology. See, I did all the work for you in proving my point.wolverine4262
That is for rating a single game on a single platform. When comparing many games across multiple systems, it should not be treated the same.

Art style is art style.

Technical graphics is technical graphics.

Graphics is both.

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#102 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"] Yes it does. I did a course in Graphic Design. Fried_Shrimp
Whatever. Art style is subjective and technical graphics are a different beast.

Technical graphics can look aweful though. For example, the most technically graphical game on the Wii is the conduit, but overall that game has aweful graphics.

I'd say SMG2, technically and artistically. The Conduit is a graphics king for Wii capabilities, if its art sucks then thats the artists fault.
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#103 Fried_Shrimp
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The Conduit is a graphics king for Wii tomarlyn
Look at what you just said! Look at it!!!
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#104 amaneuvering
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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"] No it doesn't. There's art style and there's technical graphics. Kirby shows no great display of technical graphics.tomarlyn

I tell you what...

Show me the reviews that rate the "art style" and "graphics" as separate categories...

In fact, show me the reviews that differentiate between art style and "technical graphics" yet only use the word "graphics" when they specifically mean "technical graphics" or "graphics technology"...

"Graphics" on it's own means BOTH the art style and the graphics technology powering the visuals when discussing a games "graphics".

Anyone who thinks differently is the one that is in the wrong imo and if they are using the word graphics when they actually mean just the technology/engine behind the graphics then they should specify it as such, using terms like "technical graphics" or "graphics technology" or something like that, and not the other way around.

Where do you get your reviews from? A professional review most often comments on the specifics of the art style and technical graphics in a game seperately (lighting, textures, etc). Anyone assuming art style and technical achievement is the same thing has no common sense imo.

It's called the Internet.

It has millions of reviews.

Try looking at some of them and seeing how they categories the scoring at the end.

Let's see if they call it art style, technical graphics/graphics technology or just plain old Graphics...

I tell you what..I'll save you the hassle too.

The vast majority of reviews use GRAPHICS when referring to BOTH the art style and the "technical graphics" or "graphics technology".

Art style means art style.

Technical graphics/graphics technology means technical graphics/graphics technology.

GRAPHICS means BOTH.

Ah, common sense indeed...

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#105 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"] Graphics means the overall art style, and Kirby wiped the floor clean.Ontain
No it doesn't. There's art style and there's technical graphics. Kirby shows no great display of technical graphics.

sounds to me like the award was for visual appeal. regardless if it was technical or artistic.

Then they should have specified. Anyone with two pairs of eye's and a brain knows Kirby is far from being a technical kingpin. I'd agree its one of the best looking games at E3 for its artsyle, but that does not rank it as ''graphics king''.
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]The Conduit is a graphics king for Wii Fried_Shrimp
Look at what you just said! Look at it!!!

Don't misquote me please. I said its a graphics king for Wii's capabilties, obviously meaning its technical capabilities.
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#107 g0ddyX
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All this just means that developers will work even harder on their current games to look more impressive.
Which is a good thing.

To be beaten by Kirby is a joke. But the joke will be on those who think that this is the best graphics, artsy or not.

Fried_Shrimp

Dude, why have you got a picture of Gordon Brown in your sig? He's not even relevant anymore (not that he ever was).



Cant find a good Cameron and Obama picture.At the time, Brown was leading a countryandObama wason acampaign or at the end of it and this picture highlighted likeasofter sideof the two powerful figures getting along together.

Cameron did'nt win either, Nick Clegg won it for him. Give it two years and theyre out... if things dont get any better.

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#108 i5750at4Ghz
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Huge fail Rage/KZ3/Crysis 2 wipe the floor with this garbage.
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#110 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

I tell you what...

Show me the reviews that rate the "art style" and "graphics" as separate categories...

In fact, show me the reviews that differentiate between art style and "technical graphics" yet only use the word "graphics" when they specifically mean "technical graphics" or "graphics technology"...

"Graphics" on it's own means BOTH the art style and the graphics technology powering the visuals when discussing a games "graphics".

Anyone who thinks differently is the one that is in the wrong imo and if they are using the word graphics when they actually mean just the technology/engine behind the graphics then they should specify it as such, using terms like "technical graphics" or "graphics technology" or something like that, and not the other way around.

amaneuvering

Where do you get your reviews from? A professional review most often comments on the specifics of the art style and technical graphics in a game seperately (lighting, textures, etc). Anyone assuming art style and technical achievement is the same thing has no common sense imo.

It's called the Internet. It has millions of reviews. Try looking at some of them and seeing how they categories the scoring at the end. Let's see if they call it art style, technical graphics/graphics technology or just plain old Graphics... I tell you what..I'll save you the hassle too. The vast majority of reviews use GRAPHICS when referring to BOTH the art style and the "technical graphics" or "graphics technology". Art style means art style. Technical graphics/graphics technology means technical graphics/graphics technology. Graphics means both.

Your taste of reviews is a poor one IMO. Here at Gamespota game isn't hung out to dry like that anymore thankfully.

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#111 amaneuvering
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[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]The Conduit is a graphics king for Wii tomarlyn
Look at what you just said! Look at it!!!

Don't misquote me please. I said its a graphics king for Wii's capabilties, obviously meaning its technical capabilities.

I know what you said but you should have said "The Conduit is a TECHNICAL graphic king for Wii" if that is what you meant. You are the one confusing things here. Graphics means both art style and technical graphics.
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[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"] You don't have to. You just have to look how they categorize their scoring at the end. They don't split it into art style and graphics, or even art style and technical graphics or graphics technology. They simply score GRAPHICS, in the vast majority of cases, and that covers both the art style and the graphics technology. See, I did all the work for you in proving my point.amaneuvering

That is for rating a single game on a single platform. When comparing many games across multiple systems, it should not be treated the same.

Art style is art style.

Technical graphics is technical graphics.

Graphics is both.

Like I said before if that were the case then the list should have been much longer and featured more artistically driven games. Instead it was a list of a bunch of technically impressive games and Kirby. Its not fair for both sides as it neglects there individual achievements...

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#113 g0ddyX
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Huge fail Rage/KZ3/Crysis 2 wipe the floor with this garbage.i5750at4Ghz


That goes without saying.
The people who make Nintendo games would agree but some blind fans wont.

...and Half Life 3 (If when it comes) will such an effect that there will be no other games worth getting cos it will look that good.

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#114 amaneuvering
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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"] Where do you get your reviews from? A professional review most often comments on the specifics of the art style and technical graphics in a game seperately (lighting, textures, etc). Anyone assuming art style and technical achievement is the same thing has no common sense imo.tomarlyn

It's called the Internet. It has millions of reviews. Try looking at some of them and seeing how they categories the scoring at the end. Let's see if they call it art style, technical graphics/graphics technology or just plain old Graphics... I tell you what..I'll save you the hassle too. The vast majority of reviews use GRAPHICS when referring to BOTH the art style and the "technical graphics" or "graphics technology". Art style means art style. Technical graphics/graphics technology means technical graphics/graphics technology. Graphics means both.

Your taste of reviews is a poor one IMO. Here at Gamespota game isn't hung out to dry like that anymore thankfully.

I'm sorry the millions of people doing reviews out there offend your sensibilities. Graphics still means art style AND graphics technology/technical graphics however.
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#115 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Anyone with two pairs of eye'sFried_Shrimp

I've seen photo's of you on the internet.

:lol: Ok I'm tired, its 4am in sweden

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#117 brandontwb
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Um since when are Graphics and art style the same thing?? This best GRAPHICS of e3 = fail.

bigblunt537
Graphics and art style are the same thing.

All of the other nominees were based on actual graphical quality, while Kirby was based on the art style.

In other words, this was just a big attention grab designed to get this posted on forums.

Stay classy, Gametrailers.

Cherokee_Jack
No, no and no. Graphical quality is subjective. You can't tell me one game has better graphics than another.. because you can't prove it. Epic yarn has an art-style that's hardly ever been seen in video games, and it looks fantastic. So don't assume GT did it for the attention.
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#118 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"] It's called the Internet. It has millions of reviews. Try looking at some of them and seeing how they categories the scoring at the end. Let's see if they call it art style, technical graphics/graphics technology or just plain old Graphics... I tell you what..I'll save you the hassle too. The vast majority of reviews use GRAPHICS when referring to BOTH the art style and the "technical graphics" or "graphics technology". Art style means art style. Technical graphics/graphics technology means technical graphics/graphics technology. Graphics means both.amaneuvering

Your taste of reviews is a poor one IMO. Here at Gamespota game isn't hung out to dry like that anymore thankfully.

I'm sorry the millions of people doing reviews out there offend your sensibilities. Graphics still means art style AND graphics technology/technical graphics however.

If its both how did kirby win? On a scale of 1-10 kirby gets a 0 in tech.
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#119 amaneuvering
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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"] That is for rating a single game on a single platform. When comparing many games across multiple systems, it should not be treated the same.wolverine4262

Art style is art style.

Technical graphics is technical graphics.

Graphics is both.

Like I said before if that were the case then the list should have been much longer and featured more artistically driven games. Instead it was a list of a bunch of technically impressive games and Kirby. Its not fair for both sides as it neglects there individual achievements...

In your opinion. Maybe those are simply the games where they thought the graphics as a whole deserved to be in their best of graphics list. Who are we to decide what they consider good graphics when clearly they use graphics to mean both art style and technical graphics. Maybe they simply didn't like the art style in some of the other games you might have put on that list. Or maybe the didn't think the technology was that impressive in other games that you might have put on that list. Maybe they just selected a list of games that they thought had the best graphics for their best graphics list. Stranger things have happened.
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#120 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"] Look at what you just said! Look at it!!!amaneuvering
Don't misquote me please. I said its a graphics king for Wii's capabilties, obviously meaning its technical capabilities.

I know what you said but you should have said "The Conduit is a TECHNICAL graphic king for Wii" if that is what you meant. You are the one confusing things here. Graphics means both art style and technical graphics.

No it doesn't, there's graphics and there's art style/presentation whatever you want to call it. We can do this all day if you want so I'll offer a truce and a box of cookies to share.
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#121 Fried_Shrimp
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[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Anyone with two pairs of eye'stomarlyn

I've seen photo's of you on the internet.

:lol: Ok I'm tired, its 4am in sweden

Yeah it's 3.30am in the UK. I think though that ultimately graphics as a single word represents both or either technical graphics OR art style, at the viewers discression. To be more specific, you have to be more specific.
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#122 brandontwb
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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"] Don't misquote me please. I said its a graphics king for Wii's capabilties, obviously meaning its technical capabilities.tomarlyn
I know what you said but you should have said "The Conduit is a TECHNICAL graphic king for Wii" if that is what you meant. You are the one confusing things here. Graphics means both art style and technical graphics.

No it doesn't, there's graphics and there's art style/presentation whatever you want to call it. We can do this all day if you want so I'll offer a truce and a box of cookies to share.

Tell me, how do you define graphics and how do you define art style?

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#123 amaneuvering
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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"] Your taste of reviews is a poor one IMO. Here at Gamespota game isn't hung out to dry like that anymore thankfully.

i5750at4Ghz

I'm sorry the millions of people doing reviews out there offend your sensibilities. Graphics still means art style AND graphics technology/technical graphics however.

If its both how did kirby win? On a scale of 1-10 kirby gets a 0 in tech.

Maybe all the other games got a 4 in art style and an 8 in graphics technology but Kriby got a 10 in art style and a 3 in graphics technology.

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#124 amaneuvering
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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"] Don't misquote me please. I said its a graphics king for Wii's capabilties, obviously meaning its technical capabilities.tomarlyn
I know what you said but you should have said "The Conduit is a TECHNICAL graphic king for Wii" if that is what you meant. You are the one confusing things here. Graphics means both art style and technical graphics.

No it doesn't, there's graphics and there's art style/presentation whatever you want to call it. We can do this all day if you want so I'll offer a truce and a box of cookies to share.

Ok , but I expect you to send the cookies first class.
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#125 Fried_Shrimp
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"] I'm sorry the millions of people doing reviews out there offend your sensibilities. Graphics still means art style AND graphics technology/technical graphics however.amaneuvering

If its both how did kirby win? On a scale of 1-10 kirby gets a 0 in tech.

Maybe all the other games got a 4 in art style and an 8 in graphics technology but Kriby got a 10 in art style and a 3 in graphics technology.

That's not how it works either. Besides, the technical aspects of Kirby are the effects it uses pulling the fabric and tangling the yarn.
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#126 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"] I'm sorry the millions of people doing reviews out there offend your sensibilities. Graphics still means art style AND graphics technology/technical graphics however.amaneuvering

If its both how did kirby win? On a scale of 1-10 kirby gets a 0 in tech.

Maybe all the other games got a 4 in art style and an 8 in graphics technology but Kriby got a 10 in art style and a 3 in graphics technology.

No its a flat zero. Game looks like a damn handheld game. Graphics winner my ass.
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#127 amaneuvering
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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] If its both how did kirby win? On a scale of 1-10 kirby gets a 0 in tech.Fried_Shrimp

Maybe all the other games got a 4 in art style and an 8 in graphics technology but Kriby got a 10 in art style and a 3 in graphics technology.

That's not how it works either. Besides, the technical aspects of Kirby are the effects it uses pulling the fabric and tangling the yarn.

I was being sarcastic.
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[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] If its both how did kirby win? On a scale of 1-10 kirby gets a 0 in tech.Fried_Shrimp

Maybe all the other games got a 4 in art style and an 8 in graphics technology but Kriby got a 10 in art style and a 3 in graphics technology.

That's not how it works either. Besides, the technical aspects of Kirby are the effects it uses pulling the fabric and tangling the yarn.

Exactly. How can you define graphics technology? Is that limited to only bump mapping and vertex shading?
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#129 amaneuvering
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"] I've seen photo's of you on the internet. Fried_Shrimp

:lol: Ok I'm tired, its 4am in sweden

Yeah it's 3.30am in the UK. I think though that ultimately graphics as a single word represents both or either technical graphics OR art style, at the viewers discression. To be more specific, you have to be more specific.

Yup,

I'd go with that.

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#130 Crazyguy105
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I do agree that Kirby looked better than most of the games there.

Of course I don't like realistic looking games so that could just be me. :P

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#131 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="amaneuvering"] I know what you said but you should have said "The Conduit is a TECHNICAL graphic king for Wii" if that is what you meant. You are the one confusing things here. Graphics means both art style and technical graphics.brandontwb

No it doesn't, there's graphics and there's art style/presentation whatever you want to call it. We can do this all day if you want so I'll offer a truce and a box of cookies to share.

Tell me, how do you define graphics and how do you define art style?

Technical graphics - resolution, texture resolution, lighting, partical effects, poly count, etc - balanced with framerate. Art style - attention to detail, animation, use of technical graphics, pure subjective opinion mostly.
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Artstyle is completely subjective depending on the person. Graphics can be good no matter what someone's opinion is. Fail.
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#133 x8VXU6
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Graphics also means art style. Kirby is legit.Fried_Shrimp
no it doesnt..........I hate the new Zelda art style but the graphics are good(for a wii) its different

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#134 brandontwb
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[QUOTE="brandontwb"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"] No it doesn't, there's graphics and there's art style/presentation whatever you want to call it. We can do this all day if you want so I'll offer a truce and a box of cookies to share.tomarlyn

Tell me, how do you define graphics and how do you define art style?

Technical graphics - resolution, texture resolution, lighting, partical effects, poly count, etc - balanced with framerate. Art style - attention to detail, animation, use of technical graphics, pure subjective opinion mostly.

Your technical graphics definition is flawed... That would mean PC wins every time with technical graphics. A PC game doesn't have any limitations. That means regardless of the processing, a good frame rate could be achieved given enough processing abilities. Even if we were to use say Xbox 360 or PS3, where this category is limited.... the technical aspects of all the games that take advantage of a system 100% are all equal, that means one game cannot technically be better than another if they all use 100% of the machine for visual effects, and no wasted processes. Additionally, a game could be created with super high resolution texture of a grey wall, use tons of lighting effects, and have a single sphere in a room containing a trillion polygons. That means it has better technical graphics than Crysis, right? Technical graphics mean nothing, it all about how the processing power is used for art style.
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#135 AktionJakson
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I hate it when websites do this. It's 100% for the publicity and to get more traffic to their website.

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#136 brandontwb
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I hate it when websites do this. It's 100% for the publicity and to get more traffic to their website.

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1. You don't know that. 2. Why do you care if they get more publicity?
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Graphics can be good no matter what someone's opinion is.Zoso-8
I'm gonna aks you to prove that. If it's not subjective, as you claim, that shouldn't be a problem.
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#138 AktionJakson
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[QUOTE="AktionJakson"]

I hate it when websites do this. It's 100% for the publicity and to get more traffic to their website.

brandontwb

1. You don't know that. 2. Why do you care if they get more publicity?

Most likely I'm right. In any case, people get too impressed over art styles like that. Sure, it's creative. But the amount of effort needed to make that style vs technically cutting edge style isn't even close.

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#139 Fried_Shrimp
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[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"]Graphics also means art style. Kirby is legit.x8VXU6

no it doesnt..........I hate the new Zelda art style but the graphics are good(for a wii) its different

Ah but The Coduit has aweful graphics but a lot of technical stuff going on.
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#140 Mario1331
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why is everybody so mad about this its just a gaming website get over it.

GT felt like kirby was the best game pleasing to the eye and not the same as every other realistic game its not that hard to understand.

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#141 AktionJakson
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why is everybody so mad about this its just a gaming website get over it.

GT felt like kirby was the best game pleasing to the eye and not the same as every other realistic game its not that hard to understand.

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Because it was a stretch that was evidently going to create debate. Cheap publicity and unworthy of the award.

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#142 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Because it was a stretch that was evidently going to create debate. Cheap publicity and unworthy of the award.AktionJakson
I think Kirby EY was totally worthy of the award ;) And everything websites like GT and GS do is meant to get publicity, so I don't get what's the issue with that.
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#143 loco145
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Guys, if they were only considering technicals merits, no console game would win ever. (Maybe at launch). How many of you guys would complain if, lets say, Kz3 had won the award? "WTF?, Kz3? Metro 2033 (PC) got robbed!"

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#144 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

why is everybody so mad about this its just a gaming website get over it.

GT felt like kirby was the best game pleasing to the eye and not the same as every other realistic game its not that hard to understand.

AktionJakson

Because it was a stretch that was evidently going to create debate. Cheap publicity and unworthy of the award.

why it has to be publicity it jsut cant be that they actually like the art style then all the other technical games out there?

you dont have to think kirby has the best graphics this E3 but they do and it is a nice looking game.

im pretty sure if it was on ps3 or 360 this wouldnt even be a debate most likely

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#145 HFkami
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the video is a joke it should be counted as best art style

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#146 xsubtownerx
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Epic Yarn looked quite Epic.

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The gameplay does in fact look epic. The visuals, not so much. Interesting that GT would pick that game for best graphics.
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#147 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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Hmmm, his comment of games looking all the same is true, I agree with Kirby winning
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#148 rolo107
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Um since when are Graphics and art style the same thing?? This best GRAPHICS of e3 = fail.

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Do you even know what the word graphics means? Graphics as in graphic design. It is definitely applicable. That is the exact reason one must specify technical graphics, as graphic arts is the typical meaning.
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#149 hoola
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Meh. It certainly does look different and cool, but i don't think it is anything that should be winning any awards.

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#150 Kashiwaba
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It should be the best art style not the best graphics.