Witcher 2 sells 1.1 million copies in 7 months.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

less profit on consoles due to royalties and publishers taking a large slice of the profit, retail sales make less profit than digital sales, console games need to spend a lot on marketing

Steam and others take a smaller cut than retail (depending on the game, ive heard Valve dont even take a cut from indie devs, other digital stores like DD,GMG or Origin etc are most likely different tho, Valve have a soft spot for smaller devs) and no royalties to pay, digital sales makes more profit than retail, PC exclusives tend to need less or no marketing at all, since PC games tend to sell by word of mouth

So 1mil on consoles can be very bad, but on PC is very good if it isnt a Blizzard game (since Blizzard are the only PC dev to actually spend money on advertising)

HaloinventedFPS

I thought it was more of a representation of the active communities and which communities are buying games and which aren't, moreso than how much money companies are making. I don't think anyone gives a damn how much money the companies are making, they just care about how active the community is in buying games for each platform.

its more complex than that, numbers sold isnt the big issue, its comes down to budget, how much to spend on marketing, royalties, publishers taking their cut etc etc

example

Homefront did over 2mil copies, was considered a flop and the dev was shutdown

SC2 did 1.5mil in the first day and Blizzard were popping corks

I see what you're saying, it's just that I would have expected PC games to be much more profitable than that. Like, imagine if they were able to sell 15 million copies like Halo, on top of having reduced development costs and royalties.

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

weren't pc fanboys ripping the 360 community for the weak alan wake sales? lol even alan wake did better than this.

..........................pcgamingisdead.

NoodleFighter

you sir are the embodiment of unoriginality.

i've seen that same meme 4 times in the last 2 threads i've entered.......NEXT!

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I thought it was more of a representation of the active communities and which communities are buying games and which aren't, moreso than how much money companies are making. I don't think anyone gives a damn how much money the companies are making, they just care about how active the community is in buying games for each platform.

arkephonic

its more complex than that, numbers sold isnt the big issue, its comes down to budget, how much to spend on marketing, royalties, publishers taking their cut etc etc

example

Homefront did over 2mil copies, was considered a flop and the dev was shutdown

SC2 did 1.5mil in the first day and Blizzard were popping corks

I see what you're saying, it's just that I would have expected PC games to be much more profitable than that. Like, imagine if they were able to sell 15 million copies like Halo, on top of having reduced development costs and royalties.

Sims 1 did like 20mil on PC, EA made LOADSE MONE

What PC gamer out there doesn't know about Witcher 2? None that I know of.

arkephonic

My friends only knew about it beacuse I showed it to them. They might know about it, but that doesn't mean they're interested in it.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

What PC gamer out there doesn't know about Witcher 2? None that I know of.

ChubbyGuy40

My friends only knew about it beacuse I showed it to them. They might know about it, but that doesn't mean they're interested in it.

only 2 of my friends knew about the TW

its a niche game

its like saying every console gamer knows about Dark Souls

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

What PC gamer out there doesn't know about Witcher 2? None that I know of.

ChubbyGuy40

My friends only knew about it beacuse I showed it to them. They might know about it, but that doesn't mean they're interested in it.

Why do people think games with low advertising budgets selling 1.1 million copies is a bad thing?

And I love the people who think the PC is not as profitable as consoles.

I seem to recall an article from the LARGEST third party publisher in the ENTIRE WORLD stating that 70% of their operating profit came from the PC.

Jeez seriously why do people post such crap? It's rare that we ever see developers post their own sales numbers because all our data tends to come from NPD which tracks only retail in North America, so numbers always look skewed because PC is kept almost entirely out of the picture.

Just within the last few months we've heard of Terraria selling over a million, Killing Floor selling over a million, Dungeon Defenders sold over a million (a game the devs stated the PC version was outselling consoles 4:1 at release, and the game has been a high seller on PC since), and even Bethesda came out and said Skyrim sold in the "multi-millions" on the PC.

If the PC industry was seriously a "low profit/no profit" area there wouldn't be more third party devs here than any other platforms. There also wouldn't be more third party exclusives than all the other consoles/handhelds combined...

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]I think it'll do fine on 360, selling about 1.5 all year.Spartan070

What does that have to do with it?

Skyrim?

Bioshock?

Mass Effect?

Kameo?

Fable?

They all sold well.

And it will probably sell even more on consoles. Consoles are where the money is at for devs, it's where you can make a living.

ShadowMoses900

weren't pc fanboys ripping the 360 community for the weak alan wake sales? lol even alan wake did better than this.

..........................pcgamingisdead.

lazerface216

didnt they said they had already sold 2 millions like 3 months ago?lightleggy

It's worth it to support CDPR by purchasing their games. Not many developers are willing to make their games with zero DRM, but CDPR does.topsemag55

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]didnt they said they had already sold 2 millions like 3 months ago?GiantAssPanda

[QUOTE="GiantAssPanda"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]didnt they said they had already sold 2 millions like 3 months ago?ShadowriverUB

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

weren't pc fanboys ripping the 360 community for the weak alan wake sales? lol even alan wake did better than this.

..........................pcgamingisdead.

Heisenderp

:lol: the witcher is an established franchise amongst the pc community, alan wake was a brand new IP that released the same day as red dead redemption. MS never even gave it a chance. and quit using marketing as an excuse, there was no marketing for crysis, didn't it move like 6 million units (supposedly)? i mean, the witcher is a pretty big core franchise for the pc, i thought it would have sold better.

Hmmm, it might be because how Polish market looks like, we don't much of DRM push here unlike US :pShadowriverUB

Only on System Wars can 1 million sales be terrible.

We're all going to be crushed under our own standards one day, and it will hurt.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]

weren't pc fanboys ripping the 360 community for the weak alan wake sales? lol even alan wake did better than this.

..........................pcgamingisdead.

lazerface216

:lol: the witcher is an established franchise amongst the pc community, alan wake was a brand new IP that released the same day as red dead redemption. MS never even gave it a chance. and quit using marketing as an excuse, there was no marketing for crysis, didn't it move like 6 million units (supposedly)? i mean, the witcher is a pretty big core franchise for the pc, i thought it would have sold better.

Crysis did 4mil and Warhead 1.5mil, shooters are much more popular, everyone knows that

The Witcher is not a huge deal with PC gamers outside of graphics debates, its a great game, but is still niche

:lol: the witcher is an established franchise amongst the pc community, alan wake was a brand new IP that released the same day as red dead redemption. MS never even gave it a chance. and quit using marketing as an excuse, there was no marketing for crysis, didn't it move like 6 million units (supposedly)? i mean, the witcher is a pretty big core franchise for the pc, i thought it would have sold better.

lazerface216

3 million since Crysis 2 released. That's over 4 years of being sold.

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

:lol: the witcher is an established franchise amongst the pc community, alan wake was a brand new IP that released the same day as red dead redemption. MS never even gave it a chance. and quit using marketing as an excuse, there was no marketing for crysis, didn't it move like 6 million units (supposedly)? i mean, the witcher is a pretty big core franchise for the pc, i thought it would have sold better.

ChubbyGuy40

3 million since Crysis 2 released. That's over 4 years of being sold.

i heard some fanboy's babbling on here about crysis selling 6 miilion units, i figured it was bullsh*t.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

:lol: the witcher is an established franchise amongst the pc community, alan wake was a brand new IP that released the same day as red dead redemption. MS never even gave it a chance. and quit using marketing as an excuse, there was no marketing for crysis, didn't it move like 6 million units (supposedly)? i mean, the witcher is a pretty big core franchise for the pc, i thought it would have sold better.

lazerface216

3 million since Crysis 2 released. That's over 4 years of being sold.

i heard some fanboy's babbling on here about crysis selling 6 miilion units, i figured it was bullsh*t.

with Warhead aswell, its nearly 6mil

i heard some fanboy's babbling on here about crysis selling 6 miilion units, i figured it was bullsh*t.

lazerface216

You heard wrong. Crysis + Warhead sold 6 million. The games were commonly sold together not too long after Warhead's launch.

Only in System Wars where a niche game selling 1.1 million on a single platform is a bad thing.

For comparison, Dark Souls which is a niche 'hardcore' game which slightly similar mechanics sold 1.5 million copies across two platforms.

Only in System Wars where a niche game selling 1.1 million on a single platform is a bad thing.

For comparison, Dark Souls which is a niche 'hardcore' game which slightly similar mechanics sold 1.5 million copies across two platforms.

Vesica_Prime

Where'd you get that number?

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Only in System Wars where a niche game selling 1.1 million on a single platform is a bad thing.

For comparison, Dark Souls which is a niche 'hardcore' game which slightly similar mechanics sold 1.5 million copies across two platforms.

SW__Troll

Where'd you get that number?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-02-dark-souls-worldwide-sales-1-5-million-shipped

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Only in System Wars where a niche game selling 1.1 million on a single platform is a bad thing.

For comparison, Dark Souls which is a niche 'hardcore' game which slightly similar mechanics sold 1.5 million copies across two platforms.

Vesica_Prime

Where'd you get that number?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-02-dark-souls-worldwide-sales-1-5-million-shipped

Shipped doesn't necessarily mean sold though..GiantAssPanda

Look at the context, I was using it as an argument that it's not a bad thing that a niche game sold 1.1 million copoies and that Witcher 2's sales number for a single platform is on par with Dark Souls' sales number which is spread over two platforms.

I bought a copy on Steam and bought the physical collector's edition, it's still unopened. :PDragonfireXZ95

But if you don't open it, how are you gonna be able to display Geralt's head on your desk like the rest of us? :o

I'm interested to see how well Witcher 2 does on 360.

What do you think, SW, over/under 1 million?

I'm interested to see how well Witcher 2 does on 360.

What do you think, SW, over/under 1 million?

arkephonic

Definitely under.

If anything, this just goes to show how uninformed the average gamer is in this world.

I'll be damned if I let any critically acclaimed game like Witcher 2 get past my radar.

I will buy another copy of this game on 360, I already have a PC version.

It's like you have to baby feed consumers with a spoon nowadays, and give them energy drinks with games on it, and commercials, with TV shows on Spike dedicated to your game. No one even bothers to research games at all.

This is totally hypothetical, but wouldn't it be cool if like Metacritic or Gamerankings, along with maybe something like RottenTomatoes, had a partnership with Google? That way, when you go to google.com, there was a little tab up top like there is for youtube, gmail and images, but an additional tab for Metacritic, so people could easily see what movies and games are getting good reviews. That way, a lot of people would see the great games being released, and some of the lesser known titles would get rewarded for being good games, rather than games relying simply on brand name to be successful.

There's no reason a game like Witcher 2 should get overlooked. If there was more traffic on a site like Gamerankings or Metacritic, it would be more recognized. I remember when Witcher 2 released, it was on the front page of those sites for months.

Considering the fact that CD project is a small game company from polland and the fact that the Witcher 2 had next to no advertising, This is amazing,

I got the physical and the GoG version. GoG version is better. I didn't have any installation errors with my GoG copy but I did with my physical copy (yeah...I bought 2 copies because one didn't work). It also has no DRM at all.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

Where'd you get that number?

GiantAssPanda

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-02-dark-souls-worldwide-sales-1-5-million-shipped

Fable 3 sold 2 million in 7 months

That is not really impressive at all, seems more like a disaster to me

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]I bought a copy on Steam and bought the physical collector's edition, it's still unopened. :PChubbyGuy40

But if you don't open it, how are you gonna be able to display Geralt's head on your desk like the rest of us? :o

But in 10 years Dragon will have a $1000 vintage mint condition Witcher 2 copy

Smart thinking!

I'm interested to see how well Witcher 2 does on 360.

What do you think, SW, over/under 1 million?

arkephonic

Under 500K is my guess, a game pirated 5 million times has little chances to sell better

Fable 3 sold 2 million in 7 months

That is not really impressive at all, seems more like a disaster to me

loosingENDS

Fable 3 has alot of marketing, was an established franchise, was on both xbox 360 and PC, bigger budget etc.

I think 1.1 million is alright, but people are making it sound way worse. It should sell way more though

This is totally hypothetical, but wouldn't it be cool if like Metacritic or Gamerankings, along with maybe something like RottenTomatoes, had a partnership with Google? That way, when you go to google.com, there was a little tab up top like there is for youtube, gmail and images, but an additional tab for Metacritic, so people could easily see what movies and games are getting good reviews. That way, a lot of people would see the great games being released, and some of the lesser known titles would get rewarded for being good games, rather than games relying simply on brand name to be successful.

There's no reason a game like Witcher 2 should get overlooked. If there was more traffic on a site like Gamerankings or Metacritic, it would be more recognized. I remember when Witcher 2 released, it was on the front page of those sites for months.

arkephonic

I don't really want game reviews getting any more credit than they already do. Nothing to do with the Witcher but lots of awesome games don't get the "8 or its a waste of time" score.

When the f*ck did over 1 million copies become a bad thing?Ace6301

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Fable 3 sold 2 million in 7 months

That is not really impressive at all, seems more like a disaster to me

OB-47

Fable 3 has alot of marketing, was an established franchise, was on both xbox 360 and PC, bigger budget etc.

I think 1.1 million is alright, but people are making it sound way worse. It should sell way more though

Fable 3 came a year later on PC, so was not both on PC and 360

Plus the 2 million sales was 360 sales alone, i did not include the later PC version, now is at 3 million on 360 alone

And Witcher is an established franshise on PC, with Witcher 1

1.1 is far from alright for such a game, it is much lower than expected by miles

Piracy is killing PC gaming, that is why they seem to focus on consoles, they even confirmed two new console projects are on the way

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]When the f*ck did over 1 million copies become a bad thing?WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

This is totally hypothetical, but wouldn't it be cool if like Metacritic or Gamerankings, along with maybe something like RottenTomatoes, had a partnership with Google? That way, when you go to google.com, there was a little tab up top like there is for youtube, gmail and images, but an additional tab for Metacritic, so people could easily see what movies and games are getting good reviews. That way, a lot of people would see the great games being released, and some of the lesser known titles would get rewarded for being good games, rather than games relying simply on brand name to be successful.

There's no reason a game like Witcher 2 should get overlooked. If there was more traffic on a site like Gamerankings or Metacritic, it would be more recognized. I remember when Witcher 2 released, it was on the front page of those sites for months.

ActicEdge

I don't really want game reviews getting any more credit than they already do. Nothing to do with the Witcher but lots of awesome games don't get the "8 or its a waste of time" score.

I wouldn't be able to find 1 single game which has a score on Gamerankings.com or Metacritic.com that isn't justified, at least when it comes to this gen. In past generations where there were only a handful of reviews, those are sometimes suspect, but for this gen and last gen, games with like 40 to 80 reviews, those games are pretty much deserving of the scores they sit at. People just let their bias get in the way, and there will always be those people who say Grand Theft Auto 4 sucks and whatever, but fact of the matter is, the game was ground breaking in almost every way, and it deserves to be at the top.

when 1 million barely covers most budgets...even by smaller studio standards.WilliamRLBaker

7-8 million dollar budget, and built a new engine. Copies ranged from $37.99 to $130. You do the math.

Fable 3 came a year later on PC, so was not both on PC and 360

Plus the 2 million sales was 360 sales alone, i did not include the later PC version, now is at 3 million on 360 alone

And Witcher is an established franshise on PC, with Witcher 1

1.1 is far from alright for such a game, it is much lower than expected by miles

Piracy is killing PC gaming, that is why they seem to focus on consoles, they even confirmed two new console projects are on the way

loosingENDS

Still out on both.

Probably because it didn't sell well.

Took them 4 years to bring out The Witcher 2. That's quite some time for the franchise's name to go "dark."

Nope. It's more than expected. They are, or rather were, nothing more than a small-time foreign studio trying to hit it big and they did with The Witcher 2. 1.1 million sales is phenominal for them.

Piracy isn't killing it. Developers' attitude towards it is. Consoles have to worry about piracy and used games, as well as retail taking a good amount of the sales money. That's why more and more are focusing on PC. They don't need to dump millions of dollars just to make a game that'll be left to die. Those two new projects are for next-gen consoles and PC. Then again, you can't read so you wouldn't know that.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] when 1 million barely covers most budgets...even by smaller studio standards.ChubbyGuy40

7-8 million dollar budget, and built a new engine. Copies ranged from $37.99 to $130. You do the math.

Budgets are going to be based off conservative sales estimates for any game that isn't being pushed for reasons other than profit on the game itself (console manafacture produced exclusive, engine tech to be licenesed, etc...). Also, any company that isn't planning on heavily advertising their game isn't going to expect crazy sales figures.

Anyone buying that every game this gen costs $60 million or more to produce are drinking the PR coolaid fed to them to justify the nickle and diming DLC practices.