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Why single out ps3 fanboys?[QUOTE="lawlessx"]
it's an exclusive ps3 title...it has to be hyped AAA;)
honestly can't think of one ps3 exclusive ps3 fanboys at one point DIDN'T hype to be an AAA killer app title.
emorainbo
100% of the 360's major releases this year were hyped AAA.
Note you said major releases and i didn't.[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]
why are you bringing up infamous 2?
Chris_Williams
AAA hype. 7.5 score. complaining cows. score not very far from mc average.
so what? its 5 months after it, i haven't seen anyone complaining about it now. are you mad zelda flopped?after what happened today you haven't seen anybody complaining?
[QUOTE="lawlessx"]honestly can't think of one ps3 exclusive ps3 fanboys at one point DIDN'T hype to be an AAA killer app title.Giancarthere are many: Yakuza games, 3d dot heroes, Mag, R3, Warhawk, Twisted Metal, Disagea top of my head ugh..i hate getting owned. I agree with all of those..expect for MAG.
so what? its 5 months after it, i haven't seen anyone complaining about it now. are you mad zelda flopped?[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
AAA hype. 7.5 score. complaining cows. score not very far from mc average.
CaseyWegner
after what happened today you haven't seen anybody complaining?
thats because Tom Mcshea reviewed both these games, which is why infamous 2 is even being brought up.[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] so what? its 5 months after it, i haven't seen anyone complaining about it now. are you mad zelda flopped?Chris_Williams
after what happened today you haven't seen anybody complaining?
thats because Tom Mcshea reviewed both these games, which is why infamous 2 is even being brought up.didn't you just say that you haven't seen anybody complaining?
He complained about a constant black and white screen... I played the game on hard mode and I rarely was having a black and white screen... The only way he could have is if he plain old sucks at the game... Tom nitpics and goes out of his way to find something he does not like and insist on telling us throughout his reviewfueled-systemYeah what was up with that? Sure the game doesnt tell you that electricity restores health, but it seems to me that McShea could have figured that out within 15 hours...
thats because Tom Mcshea reviewed both these games, which is why infamous 2 is even being brought up.[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
after what happened today you haven't seen anybody complaining?
CaseyWegner
didn't you just say that you haven't seen anybody complaining?
not for the reasons your writing about, your bring up the Meta Score, infamous 2 came and flopped, alot of people including myself enjoyed it then we moved on with our lives. Why can't you?Haven't played the second one, but the first one is one of my favorite ps3 exclusives. I'll get the second one when i get some more free time, no score will change my level of excitement.
Smells like a Zelda thread..dunno why =| well the first one was great, and the second one seems to be better (haven't played it yet)Giancar
nah. the score spread and specificity of my original post wouldn't match up.
[QUOTE="emorainbo"]Why single out ps3 fanboys?[QUOTE="lawlessx"]
it's an exclusive ps3 title...it has to be hyped AAA;)
honestly can't think of one ps3 exclusive ps3 fanboys at one point DIDN'T hype to be an AAA killer app title.
lawlessx
100% of the 360's major releases this year were hyped AAA.
Note you said major releases and i didn't. Oh, you're serious.My mistake, I thought you were just exaggerating.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] thats because Tom Mcshea reviewed both these games, which is why infamous 2 is even being brought up. Chris_Williams
didn't you just say that you haven't seen anybody complaining?
not for the reasons your writing about, your bring up the Meta Score, infamous 2 came and flopped, alot of people including myself enjoyed it then we moved on with our lives. Why can't you?a lotof people haven't moved on. it's still brought up frequently. if you've moved on then that's awesome for you. feel free not to post in this thread.
8.3 to 7.5 IS a big difference when it comes to game ratings at high levels. Personally, I found Tom's review of Infamous 2 very inaccurate, and quite useless. I wouldn't give it AAA status (gave it an 8.5 here), but both Tom's score and review were quite far off the mark. I'll reserve judgment on SS till I get a chance to play it, but I'm already expecting a repeat. Of course, of late, I haven't been trusting any individual site or reviewer. I find they all suffer from some really stupid moments. DerekLoffin
gs uses increments of .5 so it's less than two full increments away. it's really not that much.
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]8.3 to 7.5 IS a big difference when it comes to game ratings at high levels. Personally, I found Tom's review of Infamous 2 very inaccurate, and quite useless. I wouldn't give it AAA status (gave it an 8.5 here), but both Tom's score and review were quite far off the mark. I'll reserve judgment on SS till I get a chance to play it, but I'm already expecting a repeat. Of course, of late, I haven't been trusting any individual site or reviewer. I find they all suffer from some really stupid moments. CaseyWegner
gs uses increments of .5 so it's less than two full increments away. it's really not that much.
2 increments (because it would be 2) is big. At the 50ish range it isn't, but up high, it gets bigger and bigger as you're closer to the cap because of the skew the cap puts on the scores, and 8% at this point is big (not huge but it definitely is big).[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]8.3 to 7.5 IS a big difference when it comes to game ratings at high levels. Personally, I found Tom's review of Infamous 2 very inaccurate, and quite useless. I wouldn't give it AAA status (gave it an 8.5 here), but both Tom's score and review were quite far off the mark. I'll reserve judgment on SS till I get a chance to play it, but I'm already expecting a repeat. Of course, of late, I haven't been trusting any individual site or reviewer. I find they all suffer from some really stupid moments. DerekLoffin
gs uses increments of .5 so it's less than two full increments away. it's really not that much.
2 increments (because it would be 2) is big. At the 50ish range it isn't, but up high, it gets bigger and bigger as you're closer to the cap because of the skew the cap puts on the scores, and 8% at this point is big (not huge but it definitely is big).okay. like i said before, there were 17 sources that reviewed it the same or lower than gs did. the game was hyped AAA andwas almost as far from that as the gs scorewas from the average.
2 increments (because it would be 2) is big. At the 50ish range it isn't, but up high, it gets bigger and bigger as you're closer to the cap because of the skew the cap puts on the scores, and 8% at this point is big (not huge but it definitely is big).[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
gs uses increments of .5 so it's less than two full increments away. it's really not that much.
CaseyWegner
okay. like i said before, there were 17 sources that reviewed it the same or lower than gs did. the game was hyped AAA andwas almost as far from that as the gs scorewas from the average.
And what is your point exactly? The hype was off, okay, but GS was even more off, so what is the point here.[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] 2 increments (because it would be 2) is big. At the 50ish range it isn't, but up high, it gets bigger and bigger as you're closer to the cap because of the skew the cap puts on the scores, and 8% at this point is big (not huge but it definitely is big).DerekLoffin
okay. like i said before, there were 17 sources that reviewed it the same or lower than gs did. the game was hyped AAA andwas almost as far from that as the gs scorewas from the average.
And what is your point exactly? The hype was off, okay, but GS was even more off, so what is the point here.my point is...the score wasn't that far off and gs was not alone yet the treatment is that the score was way off and that gs stood alone. if the game wasn't hyped as much as it was, would the review be as notorious as it for some reason is?
I would have hyped it the same to do it all over againWould cows have hyped 2011 if they could do it over again?
fadersdream
Great year for the PS3 trizzle.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]8.3 to 7.5 IS a big difference when it comes to game ratings at high levels. Personally, I found Tom's review of Infamous 2 very inaccurate, and quite useless. I wouldn't give it AAA status (gave it an 8.5 here), but both Tom's score and review were quite far off the mark. I'll reserve judgment on SS till I get a chance to play it, but I'm already expecting a repeat. Of course, of late, I haven't been trusting any individual site or reviewer. I find they all suffer from some really stupid moments. DerekLoffin
gs uses increments of .5 so it's less than two full increments away. it's really not that much.
2 increments (because it would be 2) is big. At the 50ish range it isn't, but up high, it gets bigger and bigger as you're closer to the cap because of the skew the cap puts on the scores, and 8% at this point is big (not huge but it definitely is big).Still GS giving the game a 7.5 with its 19 point system has almost no difference to the 83 average of a 100 point system. It's like complaining that a site that gives complete stars up too five gave a game 4 stars but the average is 90, oh noes they missed by 10 points!!!111!! :roll:
And what is your point exactly? The hype was off, okay, but GS was even more off, so what is the point here.[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
okay. like i said before, there were 17 sources that reviewed it the same or lower than gs did. the game was hyped AAA andwas almost as far from that as the gs scorewas from the average.
CaseyWegner
my point is...the score wasn't that far off and gs was not alone yet the treatment is that the score was way off and that gs stood alone. if the game wasn't hyped as much as it was, would the review be as notorious as it for some reason is?
Then we disagree, because 8% at that level is way off to me. If it was a 50ish game I would let them off, but it isn't, it's in the top 20%, getting close to the rating cap. Beyond that the review itself had noticeable issues. Pointing to even further off reviews doesn't really help your case. That's like saying it okay to be a bad driver because there are worse drivers out there.[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] And what is your point exactly? The hype was off, okay, but GS was even more off, so what is the point here.
DerekLoffin
my point is...the score wasn't that far off and gs was not alone yet the treatment is that the score was way off and that gs stood alone. if the game wasn't hyped as much as it was, would the review be as notorious as it for some reason is?
Then we disagree, because 8% at that level is way off to me. If it was a 50ish game I would let them off, but it isn't, it's in the top 20%, getting close to the rating cap. Beyond that the review itself had noticeable issues. Pointing to even further off reviews doesn't really help your case. That's like saying it okay to be a bad driver because there are worse drivers out there.they use increments of .5 so the closest possible score it could get to the average would have been 8.5 which would be seen as overrated.
"Those guys" hyped it AA. At least I thought they did. Hype thread must be in the bowels of the forum somewhere but I can't find it.Floppy_Jim
you mean the "let's undersell it in case the game flops" threads? we haven't had officially supported hype threads in a long, long time.
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]"Those guys" hyped it AA. At least I thought they did. Hype thread must be in the bowels of the forum somewhere but I can't find it.CaseyWegner
you mean the "let's undersell it in case the game flops" threads? we haven't had officially supported hype threads in a long, long time.
All they hype threads are fundamentally flawed. You have one group of fanboys who have every reason to overhype because the polls are anonymous so they can claim ownage later, and you have the other fanboys who as you say have every reason to underhype it so as to avoid said ownage. They should be outright banned as they do anything but come up with the true level of hype.From a gamer's perspective the PS3 had a fantastic year. 2011 gave me everything I expected it to, a bunch of great games to play. Why should someone else's opinion affect mine?Would cows have hyped 2011 if they could do it over again?
fadersdream
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]"Those guys" hyped it AA. At least I thought they did. Hype thread must be in the bowels of the forum somewhere but I can't find it.DerekLoffin
you mean the "let's undersell it in case the game flops" threads? we haven't had officially supported hype threads in a long, long time.
All they hype threads are fundamentally flawed. You have one group of fanboys who have every reason to overhype because the polls are anonymous so they can claim ownage later, and you have the other fanboys who as you say have every reason to underhype it so as to avoid said ownage. They should be outright banned as they do anything but come up with the true level of hype.that's why we don't support the hypefunction of them. it's just that they are usually loaded with links and other info about the game which is why they get the sticky.
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]"Those guys" hyped it AA. At least I thought they did. Hype thread must be in the bowels of the forum somewhere but I can't find it.CaseyWegner
you mean the "let's undersell it in case the game flops" threads? we haven't had officially supported hype threads in a long, long time.
http://uk.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28504889/infamous-2-hype-thread-56k-7.5--gs---keep-it-here Why do we still do the hype/flop crap then? Think this was the thread. No poll, instead the posts were counted and I'm damned if I'm doing that myself.All they hype threads are fundamentally flawed. You have one group of fanboys who have every reason to overhype because the polls are anonymous so they can claim ownage later, and you have the other fanboys who as you say have every reason to underhype it so as to avoid said ownage. They should be outright banned as they do anything but come up with the true level of hype.[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
you mean the "let's undersell it in case the game flops" threads? we haven't had officially supported hype threads in a long, long time.
CaseyWegner
that's why we don't support the hypefunction of them. it's just that they are usually loaded with links and other info about the game which is why they get the sticky.
Fair enough, and I'm sure people being as they are, hype thread or no hype thread, the ownage claims would still continue, just with even more spurious evidence :PThread topic is flawed. The official hype at the time of review was AAE. SOME Cows hyped it AAAE, sure. Just like SOME sheep hyped Zelda AAAAE, some Lemmings hyped Forza, Halo Anniversary, and Gears AAAAE, and so on. That doesn't make those the official hype. At one point, I believe I2 may have hit AAAE in a hype poll, but the poll was suspected of much tampering, so was removed, well in advance of the game releasing, and voting changed to the way Uncharted, Resistance, etc have done it, by counting what people actually said. SO in the end, game was hyped AAE, and scored AE. The reason there is so much controversy about it is A) the hype was not very well documented, so people tend to go with what they remember it being, and people will always remember the vocal minority shouting AAAE the most. B) The same reviewer reviewed both games, and gave the second 1.5 lower than the first, despite the majority feeling like it was improved. C) Many people just plain disagree with his reasons in the written review.
Further, the outcry against Tom is also something that gets attributed to all cows, when I feel that, again, it's more of a vocal minority thing. Perhaps it is my own perception filter, but it seemed to me like the majority of cows accepted it, with the typical ammount of DC one expects when an exclusive flops. Some were pretty upset, but moved on. And a few others took it to the extreme with the anti-Mcshea brigade, continuing to this day. The ones who didn't get upset, or let it go have no reason to say anything, so they don't, which results in the minority who hold a grudge over it being the only voice heard, which gives the impression that that's what Cows think.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]"Those guys" hyped it AA. At least I thought they did. Hype thread must be in the bowels of the forum somewhere but I can't find it.Floppy_Jim
you mean the "let's undersell it in case the game flops" threads? we haven't had officially supported hype threads in a long, long time.
http://uk.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28504889/infamous-2-hype-thread-56k-7.5--gs---keep-it-here Why do we still do the hype/flop crap then? Think this was the thread. No poll, instead the posts were counted and I'm damned if I'm doing that myself.if you spend enough time here you get a pretty good feeling of actual hype levels and can tell what's legitimate from what's not.
Thread topic is flawed. The official hype at the time of review was AAE. SOME Cows hyped it AAAE, sure. Just like SOME sheep hyped Zelda AAAAE, some Lemmings hyped Forza, Halo Anniversary, and Gears AAAAE, and so on. That doesn't make those the official hype. At one point, I believe I2 may have hit AAAE in a hype poll, but the poll was suspected of much tampering, so was removed, well in advance of the game releasing, and voting changed to the way Uncharted, Resistance, etc have done it, by counting what people actually said. SO in the end, game was hyped AAE, and scored AE. The reason there is so much controversy about it is A) the hype was not very well documented, so people tend to go with what they remember it being, and people will always remember the vocal minority shouting AAAE the most. B) The same reviewer reviewed both games, and gave the second 1.5 lower than the first, despite the majority feeling like it was improved. C) Many people just plain disagree with his reasons in the written review.
Further, the outcry against Tom is also something that gets attributed to all cows, when I feel that, again, it's more of a vocal minority thing. Perhaps it is my own perception filter, but it seemed to me like the majority of cows accepted it, with the typical ammount of DC one expects when an exclusive flops. Some were pretty upset, but moved on. And a few others took it to the extreme with the anti-Mcshea brigade, continuing to this day. The ones who didn't get upset, or let it go have no reason to say anything, so they don't, which results in the minority who hold a grudge over it being the only voice heard, which gives the impression that that's what Cows think.
ianuilliam
official hype? we haven't had that in years. :?
i'll get to the rest later.
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]"Those guys" hyped it AA. At least I thought they did. Hype thread must be in the bowels of the forum somewhere but I can't find it.CaseyWegner
you mean the "let's undersell it in case the game flops" threads? we haven't had officially supported hype threads in a long, long time.
or the "this game could go either way , it's Gamespot afterall and I'm not sure" .... so what incentive would people have to guarantee it a AAA score ? Why would anyone really expect a AAA score for a game that they really know could go either way? I think most people naturally and smartly save the stronger AAA hype for the better bets like say MGS4 , God of War III , and Uncharted 3 .... and just hope games like inFAMOUS 2 and Killzone 3 can get there. I don't think much sleep was lost on Killzone 3's 8.5 or if inFAMOUS 2 would've scored AA.With inFAMOUS 2 , gamers are left wondering why a great game didn't get a great score after playing it and reading the review. I don't see a problem with that.
its pretty asinine considering that gamespot gave it a much lower score than the first.
infamous 2 had
- better level design
- more powers
- bigger, better boss battles
- more enemy variety
- better graphics
- better side missions
im sorry. infamous 2 is a better game than the first one. end of story.
The first game scored 9.0, so AAA hype for the sequel was reasonable.
I don't have any issue with Tom's score; if he thought it was worth 7.5 then that's perfectly fine. However, I do think his complaints were a bit odd, seeing as the issues he brought up were mostly present in the first game as well, yet that still socred 9.0.
they use increments of .5 so the closest possible score it could get to the average would have been 8.5 which would be seen as overrated.
What?
7.5,7.6, 7.7, 7.8, 7.9 8.08.1, 8.2, 8.3, 8.4,8.5
how could 7.5 be more representative of the MC average of 8.3 than 8.5?
Even if it wasint hyped AAA people would still talk about it alot. I honestly didint agree with his review at all.
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