wow half life 2 is overated

how many people praise this game as the best ever? this game is so boring i almost gave up playing through it. the drivingparts are the worst vehicle sections ive played in any game and people criticise halo 2's ending wth is up the the end of this?

If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.Danm_999

i didnt mention anything of graphics my opinions are purely from a gameplay point of view and i thought it was very tedious

3 Years old & Xbox360 version :lol:Meu2k7

That's exactly what I thought.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.Thebettertwin

i didnt mention anything of graphics my opinions are purely from a gameplay point of view and i thought it was very tedious

I didn't say anything about graphics either.

I'm talking about gameplay. If you want a fresh 2007 FPS experience play Crysis. If you want a 2004 FPS experience play Half Life 2. But don't then complain it's overrated just because you've missed the boat by about 3 years.

why are people saying that its 3 years old if its as good as people say it is surely this would come across in the gameplay?Thebettertwin

Halo 2 = 7.5 on the PC ... , Hallf-Life 2 beat Halo 2 for SOTY.

So yea .... turns out it doesnt work that way... not with the FPS genr, some genres like RPGs get away with it.

[QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.Danm_999

i didnt mention anything of graphics my opinions are purely from a gameplay point of view and i thought it was very tedious

I didn't say anything about graphics either.

I'm talking about gameplay. If you want a fresh 2007 FPS experience play Crysis. If you want a 2004 FPS experience play Half Life 2. But don't then complain it's overrated just because you've missed the boat by about 3 years.

What the TC is actuall trying to say is it sucks compared to Halo, I think. You know, that one fps with the ring planet that added absolutely nothing new to gaming?

i agree, i was bored out of my mind playing it

HOWEVER, Portal rocked my world, that game ruled.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.gromit007

i didnt mention anything of graphics my opinions are purely from a gameplay point of view and i thought it was very tedious

I didn't say anything about graphics either.

I'm talking about gameplay. If you want a fresh 2007 FPS experience play Crysis. If you want a 2004 FPS experience play Half Life 2. But don't then complain it's overrated just because you've missed the boat by about 3 years.

What the TC is actuall trying to say is it sucks compared to Halo, I think. You know, that one fps with the ring planet that added absolutely nothing new to gaming?

Oh I see.

Well, I'd suggest he expand his gaming tastes.

Half Life 2 beat Halo 2 for Shooter GOTY in 2004.

Crysis beat Halo 3 for Shooter GOTY in 2007.

So Halo has been pretty conclusively defeated at each turn.

Is he going to play Crysis in 2010 and then call it overrated?

I think it's one of the best FPS of all time. But hey, we all don't have to agree on everything.ganon546

Bingo!

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.Danm_999

i didnt mention anything of graphics my opinions are purely from a gameplay point of view and i thought it was very tedious

I didn't say anything about graphics either.

I'm talking about gameplay. If you want a fresh 2007 FPS experience play Crysis. If you want a 2004 FPS experience play Half Life 2. But don't then complain it's overrated just because you've missed the boat by about 3 years.

Gameplay standards haven't changed much at all in FPSs from 04-07, the core gameplay is still mostly there. It's only physics an graphics that have upgraded, the rest could have been done back in 2004. Halo combat evolved had better vehicle control than half life 2 and that came out years before.

All this standards crap, tis just a scapegoat to hide the real problem. 07 games are not magically better cause standards have changed.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.Dahaka-UK

i didnt mention anything of graphics my opinions are purely from a gameplay point of view and i thought it was very tedious

I didn't say anything about graphics either.

I'm talking about gameplay. If you want a fresh 2007 FPS experience play Crysis. If you want a 2004 FPS experience play Half Life 2. But don't then complain it's overrated just because you've missed the boat by about 3 years.

Gameplay standards haven't changed much at all in FPSs from 04-07, the core gameplay is still mostly there. It's only physics an graphics that have upgraded, the rest could have been done back in 2004. Halo combat evolved had better vehicle control than half life 2 and that came out years before.

They really have. Especially on the PC.

The expectation is now for elements of non-linearity. Check out STALKER or Crysis to see what I mean.

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.Danm_999

i didnt mention anything of graphics my opinions are purely from a gameplay point of view and i thought it was very tedious

I didn't say anything about graphics either.

I'm talking about gameplay. If you want a fresh 2007 FPS experience play Crysis. If you want a 2004 FPS experience play Half Life 2. But don't then complain it's overrated just because you've missed the boat by about 3 years.

Gameplay standards haven't changed much at all in FPSs from 04-07, the core gameplay is still mostly there. It's only physics an graphics that have upgraded, the rest could have been done back in 2004. Halo combat evolved had better vehicle control than half life 2 and that came out years before.

They really have. Especially on the PC.

The expectation is now for elements of non-linearity. Check out STALKER or Crysis to see what I mean.

Just those 2 games that offer exploration, it's not as if non-linear FPSs couldn't have been done back in 04. People still like to play linear games such as Halo 3. So it's all a matter of opinion not cause standards have changed.

Just those 2 games that offer exploration, it's not as if non-linear FPSs couldn't have been done back in 04. People still like to play linear games such as Halo 3. So it's all a matter of opinion not cause standards have changed.

Dahaka-UK

The sad thing is, it was being done back before 2004. Deus Ex and System Shock 2 were bringing dramatic RPG elements into the genre. Of course round the turn of the millenium it all fell back to linearity sadly.

But it's pretty clear today standards are changing, non-linearity is coming back into style.

But whether or not you want to argue about that, it's very wrong to judge a 2004 game in 2008 as overrated.

why are people saying that its 3 years old if its as good as people say it is surely this would come across in the gameplay?Thebettertwin

I finally got to play through it wow I was blow away how amazing it is. Great story and a decent challenge without being cheap. Great characters you actually care about and a great physics engine. What's not to love?Ollivander

I saw that maury. I love the ones where they are not the father when the girlfriend/wife think they are and they talk all this crap about there boyfriend/husband.

This is all just opinion. I think it was one of the greatest experiences I have with an FPS almost ever.

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

Just those 2 games that offer exploration, it's not as if non-linear FPSs couldn't have been done back in 04. People still like to play linear games such as Halo 3. So it's all a matter of opinion not cause standards have changed.

Danm_999

The sad thing is, it was being done back before 2004. Deus Ex and System Shock 2 were bringing dramatic RPG elements into the genre. Of course round the turn of the millenium it all fell back to linearity sadly.

But it's pretty clear today standards are changing, non-linearity is coming back into style.

But whether or not you want to argue about that, it's very wrong to judge a 2004 game in 2008 as overrated.

I call that the console-ization of the FPS. Maybe console FPS's are finally growing up.

u have to be high..

If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.Danm_999

plz note that he is also most likely playing the orange box for 360. while this is a fantastic product, it should be noted that half life 2 in OB 360 is based on the xbox version, not the pc version from what i have read in reviews. so he's essentially playing a 2004 title designed for 2001 hardware in 2007 and expects it to be the same as h3.

with that said, it's still a fantastic product that plays great.

Here is the best post which tells about the greatness of HL 2.

half life2 is a brilliant game

overrated? pssch, i'd say it's misunderstood

i find the genius of half life 2 to be in the way that it is frankly contrary to the standard of first person shooters - in a typical fps, the focus is on the gunplay, and the environments are - by and large - incidental... you'll play through level x then level y and level z, and while the locations may change from factories to offices to ocean liners, you're still doing the same thing: you're running from a to b while killing enemy c, over and over again

this is where half life 2 excels - the gunplay itself is pretty bad... you've got generic ai that is poor when placed beside its predecessor and the game was notoriously easy... but that's because, i think, the gunplay is incidental - it's there because it has to be... but what half life 2 is, is a game of changing scenario

you'll start with a cool warm up period where you're exploring a desolate, dystopic 1984-style world, then you're in a frantic unarmed escape as you try to evade the law, then you fall into a series of decent firefights as you arm up - you're speeding down a waterway in a hovercraft, you're exploring a creepy horror movie style ghost town, you're playing catch with a giant robot dog, you're leading a team of giant insectoids on a prison raid, you're speeding down a road in a mad max style buggy, you're in your very own version of the movie tremors, you're battling war of the worlds style walkers from rooftops

the focus of the gameplay is constantly shifting, and even the very best of the generic fps crowd tend to stagnate in those last few hours because you're just doing the same thing over and over and over - but with half life 2, every corner you turn brings a brand new focus for gameplay

i really don't think of half life 2 as a first person shooter - i think it transcends the genre - the label 'fps' doesn't do the game justice... i'd say calling it the best game ever made is hyperbole - but i'd say it's one of the finest achievements of the computer gaming industry so far, and its biggest flaw is probably how it made most of the rest of my gaming library feel so mediocre and stale after i'd experienced such awesomeness

overrated? nah

mfsa

kudos to mfsa for such a brilliant post

u have to be high..

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.Big_T-Mac

plz note that he is also most likely playing the orange box for 360. while this is a fantastic product, it should be noted that half life 2 in OB 360 is based on the xbox version, not the pc version from what i have read in reviews. so he's essentially playing a 2004 title designed for 2001 hardware in 2007 and expects it to be the same as h3.

with that said, it's still a fantastic product that plays great.

Yeah that's pretty much what I assumed. And your sentence about the 2004 title in 2007 nails it.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.Dahaka-UK

i didnt mention anything of graphics my opinions are purely from a gameplay point of view and i thought it was very tedious

I didn't say anything about graphics either.

I'm talking about gameplay. If you want a fresh 2007 FPS experience play Crysis. If you want a 2004 FPS experience play Half Life 2. But don't then complain it's overrated just because you've missed the boat by about 3 years.

Gameplay standards haven't changed much at all in FPSs from 04-07, the core gameplay is still mostly there. It's only physics an graphics that have upgraded, the rest could have been done back in 2004. Halo combat evolved had better vehicle control than half life 2 and that came out years before.

All this standards crap, tis just a scapegoat to hide the real problem. 07 games are not magically better cause standards have changed.

Yes, they've changed a lot. Physics and graphics aren't the only things that have been upgraded, not even close. HL2 and Crysis do not have the same AI. HL2 can't exactly hold as much action on-screen as a game made in 2007. Environments in HL2 were hardly destructible. Can you say the same for good games made now? Hell no. And personally, I thought Halo's driving controls were horrid. I felt like I was driving drunk.

. Especially on the PC.

The expectation is now for elements of non-linearity. Check out STALKER or Crysis to see what I mean.

Danm_999

If he hasn't played Half-Life 2 yet, chances are he is like me and hasn't been playing many PC games over the last few years. Thus, he wouldn't have those high standards.The TCisn't complaining about linearity.

That being said, I'm playing HL2 for the first time, and it's been pretty good so far.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.gromit007

i didnt mention anything of graphics my opinions are purely from a gameplay point of view and i thought it was very tedious

I didn't say anything about graphics either.

I'm talking about gameplay. If you want a fresh 2007 FPS experience play Crysis. If you want a 2004 FPS experience play Half Life 2. But don't then complain it's overrated just because you've missed the boat by about 3 years.

What the TC is actuall trying to say is it sucks compared to Halo, I think. You know, that one fps with the ring planet that added absolutely nothing new to gaming?

[QUOTE="gromit007"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Thebettertwin"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.PapaJohn24

i didnt mention anything of graphics my opinions are purely from a gameplay point of view and i thought it was very tedious

I didn't say anything about graphics either.

I'm talking about gameplay. If you want a fresh 2007 FPS experience play Crysis. If you want a 2004 FPS experience play Half Life 2. But don't then complain it's overrated just because you've missed the boat by about 3 years.

What the TC is actuall trying to say is it sucks compared to Halo, I think. You know, that one fps with the ring planet that added absolutely nothing new to gaming?

u have to be high..

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]If your playing it now, it's kind of hard to criticise it based on the standards of 2004.Big_T-Mac

plz note that he is also most likely playing the orange box for 360. while this is a fantastic product, it should be noted that half life 2 in OB 360 is based on the xbox version, not the pc version from what i have read in reviews. so he's essentially playing a 2004 title designed for 2001 hardware in 2007 and expects it to be the same as h3.

with that said, it's still a fantastic product that plays great.

Even if the game is from 2004, I still think it has much better graphics that 95% of new PC titles. I set the Anti-aliasing to 16x and but all graphical details on high, and the game looks like Crysis on low-med settings.

Aside from graphics, HL1 and 2 are the best games ever made. I think you'd have to have been playing HL1 many years ago to appreciate the true beauty of the game, and how it revolutionized the FPS genre in such a major, positive way.

3 Years old & Xbox360 version :lol:Meu2k7