X1X vs GTX 1060....

Errr...... Maybe try reading? Only then will you see I pointed out a few other area's where the RX580 is superior....

I'm gonna expect the X1X to overwhelm the masher pro in the next few years, though as of now, the cryptocurrency mining problem would make it hard to wait and see if there will be a mid-end card running the Vega architecture.

Fixed. I grant you, sometimes they just talk about it. Others they straight call out the PC.

Man, give me a break with your Xbox gamers. They've been taking an ass beating by the cows since 2013 and are looking to take their new found 'xxbone power' (pathetic I know) out on the other sides. It's cool no one cares, it's par the course. But don't hide behind calling others insecure and then do it yourselves.

And Xbox doesn't have a subreddit? As far as I can see 'PC Master Race' is just a name, they don't seem to mention consoles much in there without looking.

That subreddit is for PC enthusiasts. They don't even talk about consoles there.

The consoles have their own subreddits, too, so I'm not even sure what his point was.

Could always agree that at least the X1X comes with a controller, HDMI cord and operating system preinstalled along with a warranty.

I'd rather have that than a cheap PC with a pirated OS for that price. High end PC or go console...anything in between is a waste.

I never thought for a second that the Xbox ONE X can achieve results equivalent to a GTX 1070, I doubted that claim the MOMENT it was made, and I became especially re-assured after the first few benchmarks from digital foundry was released.

I totally agree with this... but we're gonna be shot down big time by hermits. But whatevs.

A PC sporting an i5 with a 1060 would be a mid-range PC but still fairly solid for gaming. You don't need a high-end machine to enjoy your games on PC.

GTX 1060 makes xbox X looks dated at least 10 years, sorry xbox lovers, but that's the truth and even blind and deaf PCMR fan knows it. Now let's look into actual games results in order to see how bad xbox really is. Remember guys, results speak for themselves

Wolfenstein 2

GTX 1060 (OC 2 GHz) - 4K dynamic, low/med details, 43-55 fps

Xbox X - 4K dynamic, nearly maxed out details, 55-60 fps

Wolfenstein 2 shows GTX 1060 at it's best! Shame on you xbox X, your results are nowhere near ultra fast GTX 1060

Forza 7

Stock GTX 1060 - 4K, 35-50 fps with ultra details + MSAAx8, high details + dynamic resolution scaling + MSAAx4 40-70 fps

Xbox X - 4K, nearly (if not) maxed out details + EQAA - 60 fps locked (with minimal fps as high, average fps should be around 80-90fps)

Again, forza 7 shows how dated xbox X compared to GTX 1060. Of course we dont know what exact EQAA settings xbox version is using (because no one has confirmed that), we can only guess, but the cheapest EQAAx2 is MSAAx2 + coverage samples on top of that (it gives MSAAx4 impression at the cost of MSAAx2).

Now let's see how GTX 1070 fares

Rise Of The Tomb Raider

Dips below 30fps on GTX 1070 even at medium settings, how it's that possible? XboX version is using high settings at 4K native mode just for comparison, not medium. So yet another game that show how dated xbox X really is.

People may ask if I'm starting a fight with PC owners or defending the Xbox One X, and my answer is BOTH, because both xbox fanboys, and many PC owners are equally S***. Xbox lovers always say, PC is a waste of money, no one needs 60fps, mods and whole customisation, while PC lovers laugh at console owners (well xbox and playstation owners at the same time to be exact) saying they dont need to play exclusive games, and they allways brag how much faster their precious PC is compared to console, and not to mention GTX 1060 owner will say how cheap it is to build PC with GPU like that.

Windows 10 - 5$

used/stolen GTX 1060 - 100$

all the reast - 200$

And here you go, for just 305$ this PC with GTX 1060 will run every xbox X game better than this expensive console :P, but of coruse if normal person will want to buy PC with GTX 1060 he would need to pay 1000$ realistically speaking, because very few people want to buy the worst possible parts, and used/stolen hardware/software.

I hate both xbox fanboys, PC fanboys, and playstation fanboys, all of them equally dishonest when it comes to hardware. It's very hard to find normal discusion these days (based on facts), because for some reason people always hate what they dont have. Xbox lovers hates PC owners because they dont have PC, and some PC owners hates every other platform for the same reasons

Now, what's my opinion in regards to xbox X? That console have a lot problems (input lag problems in BC games, much worse controller compared to x360, not that many exclusive games at this pont), but it's very well build. I had 2x xbox classics (and during that time I have replaced 3 lasers), 2x PS2, my x360 had RROD, PS3 FAT YLOD AND LASER problems as well. I dont know how long my current gen consoles will last, but I think xbox X may be nearly indestructible. It looks to me like Xbox X is build from very high quality materials (that console is very small but very heavy at the same time), temperatures are very low, and games use DVD drive just for installation so there's a hope DVD drive will last forever. I have never seen console so well build like xbox X. Also xbox X is also very silent, it's hard to even tell if it's running or not. But I hate micorsoft, it's the most greedy corporation on the planet, that's my experience. They restrict EVERYTHING what they possibly can (you can even use xbox360 controller on xbox one) and force eveyone to buy their newer products (I bought windows 10 only because I was forced to do so, if windows 7 would feature dx12, I would still use windows 7 I can tell you that). But the thing is, I can give them credits when they really deserved and they have really learned on their mistake.

Standard xbox one was a mistake, simple as that. First two xbox consoles were very impressive hardware wise at their time, I remember how impressed I was when I have seen xbox classic for the first time, yet 3'd xbox was weak as 100 year old man without both legs, 720-900p on new gen console? 1080p should be MINUMUM this gen of consoles, not 720p (X360 PS3 standard). When people started ingoring xbox one (this console is not nearly as popular as previous xbox) then microsoft have realized they have to change their mistake, and they have promissed 4x resolution increase over standard xbox one. After PS4P I have doubted promises like that can be really fulfilled, after all PS4P delivered just 2x resolution increase over standard PS4, and microsoft promised whopping x4 resolution increase. Today xbox X is alraedy here, we can see how this console runs games at stuff like that, and the thing is, microsoft have delivered not only x4 resolution increase but sometimes even x5 with addional graphics settings on top of that (better shadows, better textures etc.), so basically microsoft has OVERDELIVERED this time. What's more Xbox X offers up to 2.2x resolution increase even compared to PS4P and basically sony console looks like old man this time around. How it's that possible people may ask, xbox X GPU is only 6 tflops (just 40% more tflops compared to PS4P GPU), yet it deliver 200% resolution increase. The answer is, gaming performance is not all about tflops numbers alone, in fact on PC we have seen GPU's with 1.3 tflops beeing faster than 2.7 tfops, and microsoft with amd have improved architecture just for xbox X console. On paper Xbox X GPU may look comparable to RX 580, but it's not the same GPU, it's totally custom made and tweaked to the extreme. Xbox X GPU is using some vega featueres (for example it has delta color compression, important feature that helps at very high resolutions), and microsoft engineers have build dx12 into that chip. Here some quotes from digital foundry xbox X article

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox-scorpio-dx12-built-directly-into-gpu.1358475/

"communication from the game to the GPU is super-efficient."

"The bottom line is that Scorpio's six teraflops will almost certainly go a lot further than an equivalent PC part."

And that's indeed the case, xbox X is basically faster than any 6 tlfops AMD card, RX 580 included. That's why xbox X GPU is faster than tflops numbers suggest, xbox X GPU architecture is simply much more efficient compared to standard polaris architecture found in PS4P 4.2 tflops GPU. In wolfenstein 2 both RX 580 and GTX 1060 struggle just to hit 30fps mark, yet xbox X GPU is delivering 55-60 fps at dynamic 4K (2016p most of the time, and 2160p frequently according to digital foundry)

But not all mistakes could be fixed. XboX wasnt supposed to be new generation, that console was still build to run xbox one generation games, so microsoft was limited when it comes to CPU's they could use. Anything besides jaguar cores would cause big compatibility problems with standard xbox one games, so they had to use the same and weak jaguar cores. Of coruse they have build command processor into their console, basically saving 50% of CPU power, but even 50% faster jaguar will be always weak, no matter what. So we have a console that can run games at very high resolution, yet is limited to 30fps because of WEAK JAGUAR CORES. PUBG, that game tells it all, 4K native resolution, yet because of CPU game is running at just 10-30fps even at the lowest LOD settings. So it looks like that, any CPU heavy game, and xbox X results looks weak as hell even compared to 1050ti, but in GPU bound scenarios it's GPU deliver GTX 1070 level of performance if not faster (war thunder developer compared xbox X GPU even to GTX 1080 performance level, it may seam laughable, but developers should really know better what they are talking about compared to normal gamers).

Right now I game on PS4P, Xbox X, and PC becase with 1080ti I can run multiplatform games at 4K, with 60fps on top of that. For example my PC runs forza horizon 3 at 4K (like xbox X), but the diffrence is I get 60fps (unlike xbox). Below my own gameplay

But if I would not bought xbox X I would not play forza horizon 1-2, and PS4P also has great games, for example Uncharted 4, nothing beats that game graphically and that's the thing, if you buy just one gaming platform, you are limiting your choice in games. At this post I dont own nintento switch, but I'm sure even this console is great and I'm sure their owners love it. I really hope at someday gamers will stop these endless console vs PC wars, because there's no DEFINITIVE GAMING PLATFORM, at least not today, and after all gaming platforms it's just a hardware and people should not disrespect other people who play on something different. Even If I would game just on my PC, I would not laugh from console owners, who cant afford anything else, and why should I? Everyone buy what they can afford, nothing wrong with that.

@pawel86ck: dafuq is this shit ?

@pawel86ck: wait so you're the person that made this comment that was posted by another user days ago...

Stolen 1060? lol... What?

@drlostrib: mental illness

@pawel86ck A lot of misinformation in your post.

If I'm gonna steal I'm stealing a 1080 TI

@drlostrib: yes, that's my post from YT, but I had no idea people were using my posts here, because I rarely visit this site now. I was active gamespot user, but it was 10 years ago.

Of course that was a joke. The thing is, many PC fans indeed make unralistic claims, and suggest you can buy PC with GTX 1060 for much less than even xbox X, but if you would look at their parts/software list, you would see interesting things like windows 10 for 5$. Legit windows 10 key is anything but cheap, and 5$ windows 10 keys are stolen for sure.

Sure consoles have their own subreddits. But none of them are called "Master Race". Only PC gamers felt the need to make a subreddit like that. And they even went ahead and got /r/consolemasterrace to feel even more superior. ? That's how insecure they are.

PC Master Race is an old meme. Thought you'd know that. It's obviously facetious. There's even a subreddit called "Ultrawide Master Race" for people wit 21:9 monitors. It's really a subbredit for PC enthusiasts. It's not a console bashing party there. Most PC gamers also have consoles. Often times, PC gamers are a lot more knowledgeable about consoles than console gamers are about PC. Console gamers often speak from ignorance and not saying PC gamers don't but for the most part they own a console as well so they can speak from both perspectives.

Like Juub said PC gamers have been calling themselves master race for as long as I can remember.

Yup and this is the video that started the meme, it was originally an insult towards PC gamers that we flipped around and turned into a joke.

Further evidence that this whole comparison video is a joke. The video above proves the statements below true.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-x-pc-and-xbox-one-graphics-comparison-gea/1100-6454615/

While discussing Gears of War 4, reviewer Jimmy Thang said, "In terms of pure image fidelity, it surprisingly looked better than our high-end gaming PC equipped with a GTX 1080 running the game maxed out, as it offered extra dynamic shadows that don't seem to be available on the PC.

And as we can see further below a 1060 chokes on this game

@GioVela2010: An X1X outperforms the 1060 that’s pretty obvious. However taking a game built for the Xbox One as a basis is flawed.

@GioVela2010: unlike consoles, when you set a PC game at 4K, it stays at 4K. None of this ghetto adaptive resolution crap. Nice try.

@GioVela2010 said:

@GioVela2010 said:

In the middle of the scene below he says the only difference he notices is a slightly better rock on x1x hahaha

It’s as if he says that to draw your eyes away from the fact that the X1X version casts dynamic shadows from the branches being moved by the wind. Those same moving branches on the PC cast a static shadow.

What a joke of a review, the biased was obvious after Gears of War, so I stopped watching his crap there

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Further evidence that this whole comparison video is a joke. The video above proves the statements below true.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-x-pc-and-xbox-one-graphics-comparison-gea/1100-6454615/

While discussing Gears of War 4, reviewer Jimmy Thang said, "In terms of pure image fidelity, it surprisingly looked better than our high-end gaming PC equipped with a GTX 1080 running the game maxed out, as it offered extra dynamic shadows that don't seem to be available on the PC.

And as we can see further below a 1060 chokes on this game

Native 4K @appariti0nnice try

Obviously

Shame it has no games.

Make a thread about it. I’ve already ended this one

Funny I own 100+ games on mine? Seems to have plenty of games. /shrug You fanboys are so damn dumb.

Don’t feed the troll, this thread and it’s subject matter are done. Thread title disproved

If you can't work out the meaning of the comment, on this forum of all places... then you have no right to call anyone dumb.

Oh I understood damn well what you said, but it is a stupid ass thing to say.

Is it?

If I had a choice between buying a PS4/Switch/XBOX1X as a second system (Hypothetically as I own them all except the xbox) the xbox would be last, because it literally has no added value in terms of its games. It's not stupid, its quite sensible really.

Hence why I don't have one... go figure.

That’s funny i feel the same way about PC.

2 Nintendo Switches (4 Home Bases)

1 Xbox One

1 Xbox One X

1 PS4 Pro

0 PC

PC offers nothing until 2021 for me

You can't find a handful of games on a system with by far the biggest library that you would want to play? right-o...

But BEYOND personal preference (which lets be honest, yours seems stubborn and asinine considering the duplicate consoles.) unless kids? I dunno... I would say "post a picture to see why you are this mental" but kids would be a valid reason.

You can't dodge the statistical aspect of it:

If you swapped those Xbox's out with a PC you would lose next to nothing (small list of legacy games.) and lose nothing moving forward. With far more games, features and options.

You are a curious case, you claim to spend thousands upon thousands, yet the most enthusiast platform is left untouched, despite being able to do everything the others can and more.

What is the deal with that.... if ofcourse, you arn't full of crap. still waiting to see this glorius ATMOS MASTER RACE.

Well the majority of friends that I play games with play on Xbox. Plus I enjoy the added services you get with Xbox. Another added value of the Xbox X is the performance advantages I get over my Pro on 3rd party games. So see there is value to me. See how it fits some peoples needs, but not others. I also own a PS4 Pro and a Nintendo Switch for exclusive games and for the portability on the Switch. I don't go on a message board to trash other systems saying they have no games when the system fits some peoples needs just fine, but trash away that is what fanboys do.

Hence why I have one... go figure.

The Xbox One X was very close to being a system I would have bought. The huge problem is they left the same piece of crap CPU making 60fps a rarity even at 1080p. I would have very likely picked one up could it do 60fps/1080p consistently and leave my rigs to mine 24/7.

@MBirdy88 said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MBirdy88 said:

@Xabiss said:

@MBirdy88 said:

If you can't work out the meaning of the comment, on this forum of all places... then you have no right to call anyone dumb.

Oh I understood damn well what you said, but it is a stupid ass thing to say.

Is it?

If I had a choice between buying a PS4/Switch/XBOX1X as a second system (Hypothetically as I own them all except the xbox) the xbox would be last, because it literally has no added value in terms of its games. It's not stupid, its quite sensible really.

Hence why I don't have one... go figure.

That’s funny i feel the same way about PC.

2 Nintendo Switches (4 Home Bases)

1 Xbox One

1 Xbox One X

1 PS4 Pro

0 PC

PC offers nothing until 2021 for me

You can't find a handful of games on a system with by far the biggest library that you would want to play? right-o...

But BEYOND personal preference (which lets be honest, yours seems stubborn and asinine considering the duplicate consoles.) unless kids? I dunno... I would say "post a picture to see why you are this mental" but kids would be a valid reason.

You can't dodge the statistical aspect of it:

If you swapped those Xbox's out with a PC you would lose next to nothing (small list of legacy games.) and lose nothing moving forward. With far more games, features and options.

You are a curious case, you claim to spend thousands upon thousands, yet the most enthusiast platform is left untouched, despite being able to do everything the others can and more.

What is the deal with that.... if ofcourse, you arn't full of crap. still waiting to see this glorius ATMOS MASTER RACE.

i don’t like strategy games, and don’t lIke MMO’s. I dont have that much time for gaming so when i do it’s very highly rated games (Minus MMos and Strategy Games) or games I can enjoy with my kids.

yeah I’m a casual :)

Can it play Uncharted 4?

The Pee Seas are very stormy & salty this time a year mah friends, careful out there... Mighty X1X MonsterBox MasterRace 1080 Stomper... Baby!! lol :P

An X1X stomps a 1060 so whats the point?

Not sure what OP is trying to achieve here. $700 PC = $500 console. That PC even has a slightly better CPU so you'd expect slightly better results. Many of the console games have HDR vs missing on PC. Even with X1X equating to 1060 power, it's still a good buy.

And it is funny people believe that a $500 box was going to run all games at 4k@60 when $1500+ cant run all games 4K@60. The price/performance you get out of an X is a damn good deal right now. All the games I have played on my X run good and look great on my 4K TV. That is all I wanted out of the box.

Read my OP and stop trying to put words into my mouth. I already stated everything you said right now. 1X is good value for money, I’ve stated that in my OP and many times in this thread already.

The reason I made the thread is to inform people that were listening to idiots like Ron that said a 1X was equivalent to a highend PC (GTX 1070 and above) which it isn’t. We’ve had clowns like him running around since the before the release of the 1X hyping it as a system that can go toe to toe with highend PCs, and in the process confusing and misinforming people. This thread is to set the record straight, it is not to say the 1X is weak or shitty value for money. It's a powerful console that can go head to head with a mid-range PC equipped with a GTX 1060 or RX580.

BTW, your last point about HDR makes no sense at all. HDR doesn't affect gameplay and it's not exclusive to consoles. 60fps on all games is possible with a GTX 1060 equipped PC in addition to mods and all the benefits of PC gaming that actually affect gameplay. I would argue benefits of a mid-range PC far outweigh having a superficial benefit like HDR.

Except it doesn't and my OP proves this. Or are you trying your hardest to be blind and dumb now?

JERMGaming is a blind pleb tho.

Here’s a quote from Gamespot

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-x-pc-and-xbox-one-graphics-comparison-gea/1100-6454615/

“While discussing Gears of War 4, reviewer Jimmy Thang said, "In terms of pure image fidelity, it surprisingly looked better than our high-end gaming PC equippued with a GTX 1080 running the game maxed out, as it offered extra dynamic shadows that don't seem to be available on the PC.”

JERMGamimg’s own video proves PC doesn’t have Dynamic Shadows, Here’s an 8 second clip.

Benchmark proving a 1060 chokes on Gears @ 4K Ultra Settings (even without Dynamic Shadows that X1X has)

@quadknight: Dude your just a rabbid Xbox hater, look at my posting history. First of all look at Forza ,Wolfenstein:NC and Gears of War 4 the X1X stomps a 1060 and will continue to do so as long as the ports are not half assed. If you want to bash the X1X then do it effectively. Like why Sonys exclusives on the Pro manage to stomp anything on the X1X.

@GioVela2010: 1060 isn't on your chart and I highly doubt 1X runs Gears 4 at native 4K with real ultra settings like a PC does.

I'd like to see proof it does if you can post it.

However, even if it does it's pointless. That's one game you've shown running better on 1X if you find proof while my OP shows 6 games running better or the same on a GTX 1060. The 1060 is still winning.