Xbox 360 game going to PC doesn't take its exclusiveness away

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

The PC is an open platform. /thread.

It does not even matter if it takes its exclusiveness away at all

The fact remains that you cant play PC/360 games on PS3 or Wii, and when you buy a console, that matters a lot, in fact can bethe ultmatedeciding factor

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

DumbDubya

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

DumbDubya

Another one...and a level 18 too? I would have thought you would know better by now. Okay, I'm going to explain this slowly so you'll understand (I doubt you'll listen though). Microsoft owning Windows =/= Microsoft owning the PC platform. Why? Because Windows isn't the only thing you need to get a computer to work. Developers could make a game for OSX or Linux. How is the PC platform Microsoft's now? Exactly, it's not. It is a separate platform that IS in direct competition with the XBox360. If a person has a choice of buying a game for the PC or Xbox360 and chooses PC, then the XBox360 just lost a potential sale. Microsoft does not see any of the money that went into the PC sale, therefore they try to get people to buy the XBox360 version. And what is it called when you are trying to get someone to pick your product over another product? Oh yeah, COMPETITION! I hope you are now somewhat informed.

More than one platform = not exclusive.

FACT.

Get over it, also MS doesnt own pc gaming, another fact, if it does than nvidia/ati own console gaming, so sony/ms dont even count.

It does not even matter if it takes its exclusiveness away at all

The fact remains that you cant play PC/360 games on PS3 or Wii, and when you buy a console, that matters a lot, in fact can bethe ultmatedeciding factor

What's even more funny Sony actually sees money from every game they sell on the PC (SOE) unlike MS who wants PC gaming dead. So going by Lemming logic that must mean Sony owns the PC platform :o

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

Yep, it does. These rules have been made. You can't just waltz in and change 'em.aaronmullan

Why is it always lemmings making PC/360 games 360 exclusive, but you never see hermits trying to claim they are PC exclusives.

yes it does. it totally does.

You're beating a dead horse, TC. No good will come from this thread

What's even more funny Sony actually sees money from every game they sell on the PC (SOE) unlike MS who wants PC gaming dead. So going by Lemming logic that must mean Sony owns the PC platform :o

loadedboon

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Yep, it does. These rules have been made. You can't just waltz in and change 'em.delta3074

Why is it always lemmings whining about making PC/360 games 360 exclusive, you never see hermits trying to claim they are PC exclusives.ManicAce

their leader proclaims it.ever since elpresador quit, the whole system wars deal (on youtube) deal has gotten boring.

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Yep, it does. These rules have been made. You can't just waltz in and change 'em.delta3074

The term "console exclusive" holds no weight because a) it's erroneously used as the term technically means exclusive to consoles, and b) the games are multiplatform. It's the same as saying games shared by the PS3 and 360 but not on the Wii are HD exclusives.

All games can flop whether they're exclusive or multiplat. Bioshock 2 and FFXIII are 360 flops and PS3 flops etc. etc.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Yep, it does. These rules have been made. You can't just waltz in and change 'em.aaronmullan

Ok I own all 3 consoles and I agree that PC shouldnt count. Yes I am also a PC gamer. I am a huge PC FPS fan. I have been playing PC FPS since the Quake/Team Fortress days. But in system wars, you cant play a 360/pc game on a PS3 or a Wii so I think it should count. But if you own a PC and enjoy Mass Effect for example then you arent missing out. It isn't the 360 fanboy's fault that Microsoft makes games for both its gaming console and it's PC OS. It doesn't change the fact that PS3 and Wii players can't play the game. Well unless they own a gaming PC. I feel like this is the one SW argument that doesnt make sense to me. Mass Effect should count as an exclusive for consoles anyways. I mean there are Wii games that are PC flash games. I know that Wii fan boys wouldn't dare count them but it's the same. Maybe it is just me but this is what I think is right. The only reason it is an issue is because there aren't any PS3/PC games in the argument. GoldenElementXL

[QUOTE="GoldenElementXL"]Ok I own all 3 consoles and I agree that PC shouldnt count. Yes I am also a PC gamer. I am a huge PC FPS fan. I have been playing PC FPS since the Quake/Team Fortress days. But in system wars, you cant play a 360/pc game on a PS3 or a Wii so I think it should count. But if you own a PC and enjoy Mass Effect for example then you arent missing out. It isn't the 360 fanboy's fault that Microsoft makes games for both its gaming console and it's PC OS. It doesn't change the fact that PS3 and Wii players can't play the game. Well unless they own a gaming PC. I feel like this is the one SW argument that doesnt make sense to me. Mass Effect should count as an exclusive for consoles anyways. I mean there are Wii games that are PC flash games. I know that Wii fan boys wouldn't dare count them but it's the same. Maybe it is just me but this is what I think is right. The only reason it is an issue is because there aren't any PS3/PC games in the argument. Dante2710

Games released on PC are in competition with the 360, on the 360 microsoft gets some money out of the games sold to allow the devs to put it on the xbox, they also own and distrubute the hardware in which they get money for each xbox sold. On windows microsoft gets no money from a game sold(unless they publish/dev it) because it is an open platform, you do not need authorization from microsoft to release a game or program onto windows nor do they get paid any money for it.ferret-gamer

Well, you get Windows for free then ?

I find it funny the use of words. "Xbox 360 game going to PC", any game on both the 360 and PC is by definition a console centric game? Why not say "PC game going to 360", because that's the case most of the times.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Games released on PC are in competition with the 360, on the 360 microsoft gets some money out of the games sold to allow the devs to put it on the xbox, they also own and distrubute the hardware in which they get money for each xbox sold. On windows microsoft gets no money from a game sold(unless they publish/dev it) because it is an open platform, you do not need authorization from microsoft to release a game or program onto windows nor do they get paid any money for it.a_simple_gamer

Well, you get Windows for free then ?

If I can play a game on my PC, then it's not an exclusive 360 game. Its just that simple. It doesn't diminish the game's quality, but it's not an exclusive.

I find it funny the use of words. "Xbox 360 game going to PC", any game on both the 360 and PC is by definition a console centric game? Why not say "PC game going to 360", because that's the case most of the times.

Masculus

[QUOTE="DumbDubya"]

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

OneLazyAsian

Another one...and a level 18 too? I would have thought you would know better by now. Okay, I'm going to explain this slowly so you'll understand (I doubt you'll listen though). Microsoft owning Windows =/= Microsoft owning the PC platform. Why? Because Windows isn't the only thing you need to get a computer to work. Developers could make a game for OSX or Linux. How is the PC platform Microsoft's now? Exactly, it's not. It is a separate platform that IS in direct competition with the XBox360. If a person has a choice of buying a game for the PC or Xbox360 and chooses PC, then the XBox360 just lost a potential sale. Microsoft does not see any of the money that went into the PC sale, therefore they try to get people to buy the XBox360 version. And what is it called when you are trying to get someone to pick your product over another product? Oh yeah, COMPETITION! I hope you are now somewhat informed.

Xbox 360 adds value to Microsoft's development tool chain business. The relationship is akin to Adobe Acrobat Reader and Adobe Acrobat Professional.

You can install LinuxPPC on the Xbox 360. This forum restricts this type of discussions.

Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wintel

Wintel is a portmanteau of Windows and Intel. It usually refers to a computer system or the related ecosystem based on an Intel x86 compatible processor and running the Microsoft Windows operating system. It is sometimes used derisively to describe the monopolistic actions undertaken by both companies when attempting to dominate the market

The Wintel platform is the dominant desktop and laptop computer architecture.

Most new PCs comes with this certification logo.

If I can play a game on my PC, then it's not an exclusive 360 game. Its just that simple. It doesn't diminish the game's quality, but it's not an exclusive.

hellhund

Ok, we agree, and what does that mean though ? Nothing much imo, since 360 sales of PC/360 games ae incredibly high

Also MS may not own PC gaming, but i am sure most people gameon Windows and buy new versions of them just to play with the latest software

[QUOTE="Masculus"]

I find it funny the use of words. "Xbox 360 game going to PC", any game on both the 360 and PC is by definition a console centric game? Why not say "PC game going to 360", because that's the case most of the times.

GoldenElementXL

As an example, Microsoft's Xinput APIs are the same for both Xbox 360 and PC.

Both Xbox 360and Wintel PC has XNA framework. The XNA Framework is based on the native implementation of .NET Compact Framework 2.0 for Xbox 360 development and .NET Framework 2.0 on Windows(1).

DirectX 11's tessellation is a superset to Xbox 360's tessellation.With DirectX 11 PC has officially(2) has feature parity with Xbox 360.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_XNA

2. DirectX 9, 10, 10.1 doesn't offically support hardware tessellation. ATI Radeon HD since 2000 family unofficially supports tessellation while NVIDIA DX10/10.1 GPUs does not.

Exclusive implies that its only on one platform. So yes, being on PC does eliminate its exclusive status. Regardless of whether or not it can not be played on other platforms, the definition of the term designates only ONE system. Not being available on one system doesn't mean it's exclusive.

[QUOTE="ManicAce"]Why is it always lemmings whining about making PC/360 games 360 exclusive, you never see hermits trying to claim they are PC exclusives.antifanboyftw

their leader proclaims it.ever since elpresador quit, the whole system wars deal (on youtube) deal has gotten boring.

Exclusive implies that its only on one platform. So yes, being on PC does eliminate its exclusive status. Regardless of whether or not it can not be played on other platforms, the definition of the term designates only ONE system. Not being available on one system doesn't mean it's exclusive.

calvinsora

Actually, in real life that is, exclsuives defiition means only in one system or in one group of systems

So, something can be exclsuive to PC/360 group of systems, by the actual, real life, real world, offcial real and actual definition of the exclusive word

Of course, seems in forums, the real actual world and dictionaries are worthless and all wrong

[QUOTE="hellhund"]

If I can play a game on my PC, then it's not an exclusive 360 game. Its just that simple. It doesn't diminish the game's quality, but it's not an exclusive.

a_simple_gamer

Ok, we agree, and what does that mean though ? Nothing much imo, since 360 sales of PC/360 games ae incredibly high

Also MS may not own PC gaming, but i am sure most people gameon Windows and buy new versions of them just to play with the latest software

It seems only in this forum, that if an Xbox 360 game is released on PC, it is no longer exclusive. Except that is because last I checked Windows is a Microsoft platform along with Xbox 360. And the game is not getting released on PS3 or Wii which are their competitors. PC is not a competitor to Xbox. The OS's are owned by the same company and Microsooft is willingly letting developers release on both.

It's the same as saying a game that was on Wii gets released on DS is no longer an exclusive. It's a stupid argument.

DumbDubya

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Exclusive implies that its only on one platform. So yes, being on PC does eliminate its exclusive status. Regardless of whether or not it can not be played on other platforms, the definition of the term designates only ONE system. Not being available on one system doesn't mean it's exclusive.

a_simple_gamer

Actually, in real life that is, exclsuives defiition means only in one system or in one group of systems

So, something can be exclsuive to PC/360 group of systems, by the actual, real life, real world, offcial real and actual definition of the exclusive word

Of course, seems in forums, the real actual world and dictionaries are worthless and all wrong

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Exclusive implies that its only on one platform. So yes, being on PC does eliminate its exclusive status. Regardless of whether or not it can not be played on other platforms, the definition of the term designates only ONE system. Not being available on one system doesn't mean it's exclusive.

a_simple_gamer

Actually, in real life that is, exclsuives defiition means only in one system or in one group of systems

So, something can be exclsuive to PC/360 group of systems, by the actual, real life, real world, offcial real and actual definition of the exclusive word

Of course, seems in forums, the real actual world and dictionaries are worthless and all wrong

When the term exclusive is used, it refers to a set group that bears extreme similarities. The PC and 360 are not the same, hence, the lone term "exclusive" refers only to one system. I could easily go and say: "Red Dead Redemption is PS3/360 exclusive", and it would be true. However, that's not the point being presented here. The OP states that if a game is on two separate platforms, it can still be considered what the gaming industry calls "exclusive". That is a fanboyish, and wrong, statement.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="hellhund"]

If I can play a game on my PC, then it's not an exclusive 360 game. Its just that simple. It doesn't diminish the game's quality, but it's not an exclusive.

hellhund

Ok, we agree, and what does that mean though ? Nothing much imo, since 360 sales of PC/360 games ae incredibly high

Also MS may not own PC gaming, but i am sure most people gameon Windows and buy new versions of them just to play with the latest software

The difference is that software wise you are limited to Windows, if you want trouble free gaming for all games (well, semi - trouble free anyway)

Xbox 360 has a graphics card too, so games on 360 are exclsive to ATI too ?

The fact is that software is the top layer, the platform is defined by software, not hardware

PC/360 game's don't counts as exclusive, sure makes the PS3 exclusive list look a whole lot better

This is system wars, not console wars.

As much as you want to differentiate it, PC is its own gaming platform and must be considered in the same vein as consoles. Theres ALOT of people here that think its something completely different alltogether.

And no, its not exclusive. Every 3 months someone joins the site and says the same thing.

How about you lemmings beg MS for some more exclusives instead of trying to change the rules?

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Exclusive implies that its only on one platform. So yes, being on PC does eliminate its exclusive status. Regardless of whether or not it can not be played on other platforms, the definition of the term designates only ONE system. Not being available on one system doesn't mean it's exclusive.

calvinsora

Actually, in real life that is, exclsuives defiition means only in one system or in one group of systems

So, something can be exclsuive to PC/360 group of systems, by the actual, real life, real world, offcial real and actual definition of the exclusive word

Of course, seems in forums, the real actual world and dictionaries are worthless and all wrong

When the term exclusive is used, it refers to a set group that bears extreme similarities. The PC and 360 are not the same, hence, the lone term "exclusive" refers only to one system. I could easily go and say: "Red Dead Redemption is PS3/360 exclusive", and it would be true. However, that's not the point being presented here. The OP states that if a game is on two separate platforms, it can still be considered what the gaming industry calls "exclusive". That is a fanboyish, and wrong, statement.

I agree to that, gaming industry wise you cant call those games exclusive

But also is meanigless to call them multipltform or pretend beeing on PC/360 means that the game is not important to 360

especially considering the sales of PC/360 games on 360

So, i dont agree with the TC, but i dont agree with the generic, put it all in the same basket term multipltform either

The whole lineup counts, not just exclusives and a great PC/360 counts more than a mediocre exclusive, with sales to prove it clearly

This is system wars, not console wars.

As much as you want to differentiate it, PC is its own gaming platform and must be considered in the same vein as consoles. Theres ALOT of people here that think its something completely different alltogether.

And no, its not exclusive. Every 3 months someone joins the site and says the same thing.

How about you lemmings beg MS for some more exclusives instead of trying to change the rules?

Oonga

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Actually, in real life that is, exclsuives defiition means only in one system or in one group of systems

So, something can be exclsuive to PC/360 group of systems, by the actual, real life, real world, offcial real and actual definition of the exclusive word

Of course, seems in forums, the real actual world and dictionaries are worthless and all wrong

a_simple_gamer

When the term exclusive is used, it refers to a set group that bears extreme similarities. The PC and 360 are not the same, hence, the lone term "exclusive" refers only to one system. I could easily go and say: "Red Dead Redemption is PS3/360 exclusive", and it would be true. However, that's not the point being presented here. The OP states that if a game is on two separate platforms, it can still be considered what the gaming industry calls "exclusive". That is a fanboyish, and wrong, statement.

I agree to that, gaming industry wise you cant call those games exclusive

But also is meanigless to call them multipltform or pretend beeing on PC/360 means that the game is not important to 360

especially considering the sales of PC/360 games on 360

So, i dont agree with the TC, but i dont agree with the generic, put it all in the same basket term multipltform either

The whole lineup counts, not just exclusives and a great PC/360 counts more than a mediocre exclusive, with sales to prove it clearly

I agree with that, I was just stating the folly of the OP.

If you can play a game on two systems, then it can't be exclusive to one system. Otherwise, Halo is a PC exclusive.

Another one...and a level 18 too? I would have thought you would know better by now. Okay, I'm going to explain this slowly so you'll understand (I doubt you'll listen though). Microsoft owning Windows =/= Microsoft owning the PC platform. Why? Because Windows isn't the only thing you need to get a computer to work. Developers could make a game for OSX or Linux. How is the PC platform Microsoft's now? Exactly, it's not. It is a separate platform that IS in direct competition with the XBox360. If a person has a choice of buying a game for the PC or Xbox360 and chooses PC, then the XBox360 just lost a potential sale. Microsoft does not see any of the money that went into the PC sale, therefore they try to get people to buy the XBox360 version. And what is it called when you are trying to get someone to pick your product over another product? Oh yeah, COMPETITION! I hope you are now somewhat informed.

OneLazyAsian

What would his level have to do with the issue at hand?:?

Microsoft sees money from other sources, such as when it grants WHQL status to a graphics driver version.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Exclusive implies that its only on one platform. So yes, being on PC does eliminate its exclusive status. Regardless of whether or not it can not be played on other platforms, the definition of the term designates only ONE system. Not being available on one system doesn't mean it's exclusive.

Actually, in real life that is, exclsuives defiition means only in one system or in one group of systems

So, something can be exclsuive to PC/360 group of systems, by the actual, real life, real world, offcial real and actual definition of the exclusive word

Of course, seems in forums, the real actual world and dictionaries are worthless and all wrong

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

When the term exclusive is used, it refers to a set group that bears extreme similarities. The PC and 360 are not the same, hence, the lone term "exclusive" refers only to one system. I could easily go and say: "Red Dead Redemption is PS3/360 exclusive", and it would be true. However, that's not the point being presented here. The OP states that if a game is on two separate platforms, it can still be considered what the gaming industry calls "exclusive". That is a fanboyish, and wrong, statement.

calvinsora

I agree to that, gaming industry wise you cant call those games exclusive

But also is meanigless to call them multipltform or pretend beeing on PC/360 means that the game is not important to 360

especially considering the sales of PC/360 games on 360

So, i dont agree with the TC, but i dont agree with the generic, put it all in the same basket term multipltform either

The whole lineup counts, not just exclusives and a great PC/360 counts more than a mediocre exclusive, with sales to prove it clearly

I agree with that, I was just stating the folly of the OP.

I am sure the TC post is driven by the fact that there are so many threads calling 360 lineup bad because it has no exclusives, like it matters at all when you buy a 360 and have all those PC/360 games to play

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

I agree to that, gaming industry wise you cant call those games exclusive

But also is meanigless to call them multipltform or pretend beeing on PC/360 means that the game is not important to 360

especially considering the sales of PC/360 games on 360

So, i dont agree with the TC, but i dont agree with the generic, put it all in the same basket term multipltform either

The whole lineup counts, not just exclusives and a great PC/360 counts more than a mediocre exclusive, with sales to prove it clearly

a_simple_gamer

I agree with that, I was just stating the folly of the OP.

I am sure the TC post is driven by the fact that there are so many threads calling 360 lineup bad because it has no exclusives, like it matters at all when you buy a 360 and have all those PC/360 games to play