Xbox 720 to ship with "insanely powerful CPU"

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Ray-tracing wasn't a strong point for Geforce 8800 i.e. refer to Radeon HD 2900/3870/4800 instead.

tormentos

My point was, NVIDIA was not the only option in the PC world.

Without dedicated hardware, the programmable processor will have to emulate the above functions i.e. less compute resource for other things.

ronvalencia

Cant wait, this will make PC totally obsolete

Well, even 360 makes PC obsolete now that Witcher 2 has the best lighting on 360, but 720 will take it to a whole new level

Cant wait, this will make PC totally obsolete

Well, even 360 makes PC obsolete now that Witcher 2 has the best lighting on 360, but 720 will take it to a whole new level

loosingENDS

PC will never be obsolete, more than likely the console you champion will be obsolete beore it hits the shelf.

Cant wait, this will make PC totally obsolete

Well, even 360 makes PC obsolete now that Witcher 2 has the best lighting on 360, but 720 will take it to a whole new level

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Without dedicated hardware, the programmable processor will have to emulate the above functions i.e. less compute resource for other things.

PC_Otter

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Cant wait, this will make PC totally obsolete

Well, even 360 makes PC obsolete now that Witcher 2 has the best lighting on 360, but 720 will take it to a whole new level

RyviusARC

Still trying to explain to you that the Cell+RSX is an abomination of a setup. Cell is junk. Do you get that? Sony lost all the profits from PS1/PS2 era, lost many exclusives, came in last this gen all because of their junk setup. PS3 came out a year after the 360 and it get it's ass handed to it in multiplat comparisons. It takes Sony's 1st party devs working in tandem, sharing technology to even produce gfx like Uc3 or KZ3, and they barely edge out Gears 3 or Crysis 2 in gfx. MS has only 1 studio that still pushes gfx and that's T10, who put the beatdown on Polyphony.Crytek, id, DICE, and Epic are supporting at least 3 platforms with their engines. Sony's 1st parties can focus on PS3 alone.There is nothing on PS3 that hasn't already, or won't be surpassed by 360 games. You've been indoctrinated. Can't you see?gamecubepad

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Ray-tracing wasn't a strong point for Geforce 8800 i.e. refer to Radeon HD 2900/3870/4800 instead.

ronvalencia

My point was, NVIDIA was not the only option in the PC world.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] But the point isn't that if the Geforce 8800 was weak or not,is the fact that the Xenon can't do that.tormentos

My point was, NVIDIA was not the only option in the PC world.

Note that Xbox 360 Slim has it's fusion chip i.e. XCGPU..

Is an abomination,still Uncharted 3 beat anything on 360 imaging how much worst it would be if it wasn't.

tormentos

It doesn't though. It's all in cows heads. A total delusion as a result of marketing indoctrination by Sony. There's a nominal difference in image quality, at best:

Sony loss money because they sold a machine that cost them $800 dollars to make for $500 and $600,not because of Cell,and unlike what you think Blu-ray was a big part of the loss as well,maybe you forgot that stand alone Blu-Ray players on 2006 were $1,000tormentos

Wrong. BD cost was negligible, and paid off by selling the PS3 when it "had no game".

MUltiplatform games on start had a bigger difference than they have for the past few years,developers already know Cell,back on 2006 they did not,it took sony 1 year to actually beat the 360 graphically,Uncharted 1 release on 2007,which did dethrone Gear of war for best looking gametormentos

No they still haven't done it. Everything that's come out for PS3 has been matched by 360 games.

The thing I'm trying to explain to you is that it wasn't the BOM for the PS3 that sunk it, it was the Cell+RSX abomination vs Xenon+Xenos symmetrical CPU/unified shader revelation that caused their downfall. They lost exlusives, developer support, and failed to produce anything that backed their 1080p/60fps/4D claims. That's what killed them. Think Sony is going with the Cell this time around? They'll go the MS route. Guaranteed.

Gabe Newell said it in '07...

"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a "do over." Just say, "This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.""

...

"Investing in the Cell, investing in the SPE gives you no long-term benefits. There's nothing there that you're going to apply to anything else. You're not going to gain anything except a hatred of the architecture they've created", Newell told Edge magazine.

"I don't think they're going to make money off their box. I don't think it's a good solution."

He called it.

P.S.- More lulz from DF..."We can accept and happily embrace Uncharted's linearity when the gameplay is this good, but inconsistency in navigation proves frustrating. On the left, Drake drops down from the roof to the railing, and carries on the adventure. However, if you choose to drop down elsewhere (right), you plunge to your doom."

ME3 running on a single 1 of my 4830s makes this look like turd. Got 2 for $50. lol. This is 2012. Console games are looking old and tired.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

My point was, NVIDIA was not the only option in the PC world.

ronvalencia

Note that Xbox 360 Slim has it's fusion chip i.e. XCGPU..

Would it be possible the next Xbox launched with a "CGPU" ?

I'm thinking 6-core CPU with HD 7770D or similar.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] But i never say that my point was about Cell doing things the Xenon just can't do,which is what some people refuse to admit here.nameless12345

Note that Xbox 360 Slim has it's fusion chip i.e. XCGPU..

Would it be possible the next Xbox launched with a "CGPU" ?

I'm thinking 6-core CPU with HD 7770D or similar.

Dual AMD Kavari APU setup would result in 8 Streamroller (CPU) cores + dual HD 7770 GCN level GPUs (1024 stream processors @ ~900Mhz, 32 ROPs, ~2 TFLOPs) i.e. it's like Sony's proposed dual CELL setup but done the right way.

No they still haven't done it. Everything that's come out for PS3 has been matched by 360 games.The thing I'm trying to explain to you is that it wasn't the BOM for the PS3 that sunk it, it was the Cell+RSX abomination vs Xenon+Xenos symmetrical CPU/unified shader revelation that caused their downfall. They lost exlusives, developer support, and failed to produce anything that backed their 1080p/60fps/4D claims. That's what killed them. Think Sony is going with the Cell this time around? They'll go the MS route. Guaranteed.Gabe Newell said it in '07...The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a "do over." Just say, "This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."""Investing in the Cell, investing in the SPE gives you no long-term benefits. There's nothing there that you're going to apply to anything else. You're not going to gain anything except a hatred of the architecture they've created, Newell told Edge magazine.I don't think they're going to make money off their box. I don't think it's a good solution.He called it. P.S.- More lulz from DF..."We can accept and happily embrace Uncharted's linearity when the gameplay is this good, but inconsistency in navigation proves frustrating. On the left, Drake drops down from the roof to the railing, and carries on the adventure. However, if you choose to drop down elsewhere (right), you plunge to your doom."ME3 running on a single 1 of my 4830s makes this look like turd. Got 2 for $50. lol. This is 2012. Console games are looking old and tired.gamecubepad

Cant wait, this will make PC totally obsolete

Well, even 360 makes PC obsolete now that Witcher 2 has the best lighting on 360, but 720 will take it to a whole new level

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]No they still haven't done it. Everything that's come out for PS3 has been matched by 360 games.The thing I'm trying to explain to you is that it wasn't the BOM for the PS3 that sunk it, it was the Cell+RSX abomination vs Xenon+Xenos symmetrical CPU/unified shader revelation that caused their downfall. They lost exlusives, developer support, and failed to produce anything that backed their 1080p/60fps/4D claims. That's what killed them. Think Sony is going with the Cell this time around? They'll go the MS route. Guaranteed.Gabe Newell said it in '07...The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a "do over." Just say, "This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."""Investing in the Cell, investing in the SPE gives you no long-term benefits. There's nothing there that you're going to apply to anything else. You're not going to gain anything except a hatred of the architecture they've created, Newell told Edge magazine.I don't think they're going to make money off their box. I don't think it's a good solution.He called it. P.S.- More lulz from DF..."We can accept and happily embrace Uncharted's linearity when the gameplay is this good, but inconsistency in navigation proves frustrating. On the left, Drake drops down from the roof to the railing, and carries on the adventure. However, if you choose to drop down elsewhere (right), you plunge to your doom."ME3 running on a single 1 of my 4830s makes this look like turd. Got 2 for $50. lol. This is 2012. Console games are looking old and tired.tormentos

Gears 3 looks leaps cleaner in shaders and overall than Uncharted 3 that is a jaggied mess

There is no comparisson imo at all, Gears 3 destroys Uncharted 3 visually

don't you guys get bored of comparing screen-shots? I mean, Uncharted series is not only known for its amazing graphics on console but you're forgetting about the incredible animations and layer system that makes Uncharted characters feel believable instead of looking like dolls. You're forgetting about the verticality of its level design. You're forgetting about its seamless cinematics and set pieces that still hasn't been matched by any other games. Ad not to mention its stable frame-rate while doing all this.

Why you guys think the series has received so many graphics awards compared to any other games? Because graphics are more than just textures and jaggies....

don't you guys get bored of comparing screen-shots? I mean, Uncharted series is not only known for its amazing graphics on console but you're forgetting about the incredible animations and layer system that makes Uncharted characters feel believable instead of looking like dolls. You're forgetting about the verticality of its level design. You're forgetting about its seamless cinematics and set pieces that still hasn't been matched by any other games. Ad not to mention its stable frame-rate while doing all this.

Why you guys think the series has received so many graphics awards compared to any other games? Because graphics are more than just textures and jaggies....

Gue1

These are traits only if one likes cut scene based games

I hate Uncharted for beeing so scripted and tiny everywhere

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

don't you guys get bored of comparing screen-shots? I mean, Uncharted series is not only known for its amazing graphics on console but you're forgetting about the incredible animations and layer system that makes Uncharted characters feel believable instead of looking like dolls. You're forgetting about the verticality of its level design. You're forgetting about its seamless cinematics and set pieces that still hasn't been matched by any other games. Ad not to mention its stable frame-rate while doing all this.

Why you guys think the series has received so many graphics awards compared to any other games? Because graphics are more than just textures and jaggies....

loosingENDS

These are traits only if one likes cut scene based games

I hate Uncharted for beeing so scripted and tiny everywhere

what you say may be true but that doesn't change the fact that to replicate a game like Uncharted you need to have some really clever game design and programmers that can create an engine stable enough to render all of this at any given time.

On top of all this people may think that Uncharted 2 could not be topped but then ND came up with Uncharted 3 and included new physic based gameplay elements, improved lighting and animations without downgrading the overall graphic consistency of Uncharted 2. So no matter how you want to deny it by looking around for excuses, Uncharted is a technical achievement on consoles, linear or not.

Even these guys that are always looking for excuses to make the Xbox not look inferior to PS3 couldn't resist Uncharted. I still remember how much they cried when doing the FF13 comparison and saying stuff like: if Square would have done this and that the game would have ended up better on the Xbox and blah blah blah... Then Square did all that for FF13-2 and the game still looked better on PS3. The fact was that the Crystal Engine was designed around the PS3 hardware while every other engine like UE3 was designed to take advantage of PC and Xbox's architectures and they just did some small modifications for it to be able to run on PS3 at the last minute.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

don't you guys get bored of comparing screen-shots? I mean, Uncharted series is not only known for its amazing graphics on console but you're forgetting about the incredible animations and layer system that makes Uncharted characters feel believable instead of looking like dolls. You're forgetting about the verticality of its level design. You're forgetting about its seamless cinematics and set pieces that still hasn't been matched by any other games. Ad not to mention its stable frame-rate while doing all this.

Why you guys think the series has received so many graphics awards compared to any other games? Because graphics are more than just textures and jaggies....

Gue1

These are traits only if one likes cut scene based games

I hate Uncharted for beeing so scripted and tiny everywhere

what you say may be true but that doesn't change the fact that to replicate a game like Uncharted you need to have some really clever game design and programmers that can create an engine stable enough to render all of this at any given time.

On top of all this people may think that Uncharted 2 could not be topped but then ND came up with Uncharted 3 and included new physic based gameplay elements, improved lighting and animations without downgrading the overall graphic consistency of Uncharted 2. So no matter how you want to deny it by looking around for excuses, Uncharted is a technical achievement on consoles, linear or not.

Even these guys that are always looking for excuses to make the Xbox not look inferior to PS3 couldn't resist Uncharted. I still remember how much they cried when doing the FF13 comparison and saying stuff like: if Square would have done this and that the game would have ended up better on the Xbox and blah blah blah... Then Square did all that for FF13-2 and the game still looked better on PS3. The fact was that the Crystal Engine was designed around the PS3 hardware while every other engine like UE3 was designed to take advantage of PC and Xbox's architectures and they just did some small modifications for it to be able to run on PS3 at the last minute.

Gears 3 seems way more impressive, crisp and has bigger scale and more stuff going on screen in real time and not scripted

If you ask me, Gears 3 is a far more monumental achivement than Uncharted 3

RSX cost Sony $129?

They got ripped off, they should get their money back.

Nvidia ripped off Sony big time, that GPU is a piece of schit, it's hardly worth $29 not $129.

Anyway

Bottom line

360 has better hardware technically and more advanced OS to give games more RAM (smaller footprint)

PS3 has better first party developers, and a better company in general.

ITT: Butthurt lems because U3 destroyed Gears 3 completely at best graphics 2011 awards so they're posting bullshots to counterattack what is a known fact by now: U3 is superior graphically than gears3 that wasnt even nominated for most best graphics 2011 awards while U3 completely grabbed almost them all.

Q_Q more pathetic lems and deal with it :cool:

No. The real damage was done with devs and failure to meet consumer expectations. People expected 1080p/60fps/4d, instead they got worse gfx than 360. P.S.- PS3 had a $499 model too. Blu-Ray, full hardware BC, but no games with wow factor like Gears. That was the issue.

I don't know what they will do but to have different hardware mean they will have to put an RSX and Cell combo in each PS4 if they want to keep backward compatibility,i don't see an AMD of the shelf CPU emulating Cell calls.

tormentos

I'm saying to you if Cell is sooo great, then Sony will go with an advanced version next gen, right? No. They will go wherever MS goes. They've lost touch with the market and will shamelessly emulate MS and Ninty.

Is funny when sites go actually out and show their bias,toward something well done,yes Uncharted is linear but then again what game doesn't fallow a line.?

tormentos

Digital Foundry biased? lol. I keep thinking you might be a fakeboy, but then I remember mad cows pre-2010. You know, the ones still living under Sony's marketing brainwash.

but is nice to see that you hide on PC,when you fail to find something on 360 that beat Uncharted. By the way nice hand pick screens,to bad they don't tell all the story specially when the topics are physics and animation,something in which Uncharted beat the crap out of Gears.

tormentos

Hohoho. Very funny. I always do like-for-like comparisons of in-game material. They show similiar POVs and environments. That's called quality work, bro.

Even a lowly PC gamer like me has too high a standard for gfx to be impressed by 6yr-old consoles anymore, but by all means, keep on living the dream, friend...

So vivid and lifelike:shock:

Amazing draw distance of stunning vistas!:o

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Let's reiterate all this once again:

1- Cell+RSX is a junk setup

2- PS3 is not more powerful than 360, only on par

3- There hasn't been a single game on PS3 that 360 games don't at least match in gfx fidelity.

Feel free to have at it.

ITT: Butthurt lems because U3 destroyed Gears 3 completely at best graphics 2011 awards so they're posting bullshots to counterattack what is a known fact by now: U3 is superior graphically than gears3 that wasnt even nominated for most best graphics 2011 awards while U3 completely grabbed almost them all.

Q_Q more pathetic lems and deal with it :cool:

4dr1el

All pics i posted are 100% in game

Funny you think they are bullshots, yet it is true, it looks that much better than U3

[QUOTE="4dr1el"]

ITT: Butthurt lems because U3 destroyed Gears 3 completely at best graphics 2011 awards so they're posting bullshots to counterattack what is a known fact by now: U3 is superior graphically than gears3 that wasnt even nominated for most best graphics 2011 awards while U3 completely grabbed almost them all.

Q_Q more pathetic lems and deal with it :cool:

loosingENDS

All pics i posted are 100% in game

Funny you think they are bullshots, yet it is true, it looks that much better than U3

The U3 are bullshots not the gears ones (they're not even impressive). You just grabbed bad U3 shots and posted because it was convenient for you. I can do the same you know? I can look for bad gears shots and good U3 shots and post too ya know? You pathetic lemming

U3 won best graphics awards (while gears 3 wasnt even nominated for most of them lol) for a reason. U3 is visually superior to gears and thats a fact. Only pathetic blind lemmings like you are denying it

RSX cost Sony $129?

They got ripped off, they should get their money back.

Nvidia ripped off Sony big time, that GPU is a piece of schit, it's hardly worth $29 not $129.

ZombieKiller7

Well, the price was from 2006 and back then, though it wasn't the best, it was still a very good GPU.

U3 won best graphics awards (while gears 3 wasnt even nominated for most of them lol) for a reason. U3 is visually superior to gears and thats a fact. Only pathetic blind lemmings like you are denying it

4dr1el

His comparison was way more legit than yours, honestly. At least use in-game material.

I've posted these in 720p in this thread, but resized for better viewing. Like-for-like scenes for accurate comparison. All in-game.

Huge difference, right? Let's break out the hyperbole cows. PS3 is a supercomputer!

RSX cost Sony $129?

They got ripped off, they should get their money back.

Nvidia ripped off Sony big time, that GPU is a piece of schit, it's hardly worth $29 not $129.

Anyway

Bottom line

360 has better hardware technically and more advanced OS to give games more RAM (smaller footprint)

PS3 has better first party developers, and a better company in general.

ZombieKiller7

[QUOTE="4dr1el"]

U3 won best graphics awards (while gears 3 wasnt even nominated for most of them lol) for a reason. U3 is visually superior to gears and thats a fact. Only pathetic blind lemmings like you are denying it

gamecubepad

His comparison was way more legit than yours, honestly. At least use in-game material.

The point of my post. You missed it.

Sigh* my point was: you can find bad or good shots of any game if you look hard enough. That why this posting of shots is more often then not biased and convenient for whoever posts them. LoosingENDS is a known lemming on GS so of course he would look for bad U3 posts and good gears3 posts. That bullsh*t is biased. Whats a fact is: U3 won best graphics awards by most professionals so, unless you're a stupid person that believes all of them are biased towards PS3, U3 is the better looking game - FACT

No. The real damage was done with devs and failure to meet consumer expectations. People expected 1080p/60fps/4d, instead they got worse gfx than 360. P.S.- PS3 had a $499 model too. Blu-Ray, full hardware BC, but no games with wow factor like Gears. That was the issue.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

I'm saying to you if Cell is sooo great, then Sony will go with an advanced version next gen, right? No. They will go wherever MS goes. They've lost touch with the market and will shamelessly emulate MS and Ninty.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]Is funny when sites go actually out and show their bias,toward something well done,yes Uncharted is linear but then again what game doesn't fallow a line.?

gamecubepad

Digital Foundry biased? lol. I keep thinking you might be a fakeboy, but then I remember mad cows pre-2010. You know, the ones still living under Sony's marketing brainwash.

but is nice to see that you hide on PC,when you fail to find something on 360 that beat Uncharted. By the way nice hand pick screens,to bad they don't tell all the story specially when the topics are physics and animation,something in which Uncharted beat the crap out of Gears.

tormentos

Hohoho. Very funny. I always do like-for-like comparisons of in-game material. They show similiar POVs and environments. That's called quality work, bro.

Even a lowly PC gamer like me has too high a standard for gfx to be impressed by 6yr-old consoles anymore, but by all means, keep on living the dream, friend...Let's reiterate all this once again:

1- Cell+RSX is a junk setup

2- PS3 is not more powerful than 360, only on par

3- There hasn't been a single game on PS3 that 360 games don't at least match in gfx fidelity.

Feel free to have at it.

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

[QUOTE="4dr1el"]

U3 won best graphics awards (while gears 3 wasnt even nominated for most of them lol) for a reason. U3 is visually superior to gears and thats a fact. Only pathetic blind lemmings like you are denying it

4dr1el

His comparison was way more legit than yours, honestly. At least use in-game material.

The point of my post. You missed it.

Sigh* my point was: you can find bad or good shots of any game if you look hard enough. That why this posting of shots is more often then not biased and convenient for whoever posts them. LoosingENDS is a known lemming on GS so of course he would look for bad U3 posts and good gears3 posts. That bullsh*t is biased. Whats a fact is: U3 won best graphics awards by most professionals so, unless you're a stupid person that believes all of them are biased towards PS3, U3 is the better looking game - FACT

But the score includes art, so it only means that more people prefered U3 art, not that PS3 is stronger

The Gears 3 engine makes Uncharted 3 look like a joke

The U3 are bullshots not the gears ones (they're not even impressive). You just grabbed bad U3 shots and posted because it was convenient for you. I can do the same you know? I can look for bad gears shots and good U3 shots and post too ya know? You pathetic lemming U3 won best graphics awards (while gears 3 wasnt even nominated for most of them lol) for a reason. U3 is visually superior to gears and thats a fact. Only pathetic blind lemmings like you are denying it4dr1el

[QUOTE="4dr1el"]

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

His comparison was way more legit than yours, honestly. At least use in-game material.

loosingENDS

The point of my post. You missed it.

Sigh* my point was: you can find bad or good shots of any game if you look hard enough. That why this posting of shots is more often then not biased and convenient for whoever posts them. LoosingENDS is a known lemming on GS so of course he would look for bad U3 posts and good gears3 posts. That bullsh*t is biased. Whats a fact is: U3 won best graphics awards by most professionals so, unless you're a stupid person that believes all of them are biased towards PS3, U3 is the better looking game - FACT

But the score includes art, so it only means that more people prefered U3 art, not that PS3 is stronger

The Gears 3 engine makes Uncharted 3 look like a joke

[QUOTE="4dr1el"]The U3 are bullshots not the gears ones (they're not even impressive). You just grabbed bad U3 shots and posted because it was convenient for you. I can do the same you know? I can look for bad gears shots and good U3 shots and post too ya know? You pathetic lemming U3 won best graphics awards (while gears 3 wasnt even nominated for most of them lol) for a reason. U3 is visually superior to gears and thats a fact. Only pathetic blind lemmings like you are denying ittormentos

Gears 3 looks way better, U3 looks like a collection of jaggies everywhere

Of course i am talking about the actual game, not the fake pre-rendered bullshots posted a few posts above

Are there two Uncharted 3 versions ??? Because one looks garbage and one looks like CGI

Sony and its fans have reached the final stages of desparation with all those fake, pre-rendered and downsampled pictures they try to pass as real in game stuff

Gears 3 image quality is like a generation ahead of U3 jaggies fest

This is now an UC3 vs Gears 3 thread.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

RSX cost Sony $129?

They got ripped off, they should get their money back.

Nvidia ripped off Sony big time, that GPU is a piece of schit, it's hardly worth $29 not $129.

Anyway

Bottom line

360 has better hardware technically and more advanced OS to give games more RAM (smaller footprint)

PS3 has better first party developers, and a better company in general.

tormentos

Gears 3 looks way better, U3 looks like a collection of jaggies everywhereloosingENDS

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]Gears 3 looks way better, U3 looks like a collection of jaggies everywhereRyviusARC

It is funny but i can hardly see any jaggies in the red spots

WHile Unchatrted 3 is like a big jaggie fest in its whole picture

[QUOTE="4dr1el"]

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

His comparison was way more legit than yours, honestly. At least use in-game material.

loosingENDS

The point of my post. You missed it.

Sigh* my point was: you can find bad or good shots of any game if you look hard enough. That why this posting of shots is more often then not biased and convenient for whoever posts them. LoosingENDS is a known lemming on GS so of course he would look for bad U3 posts and good gears3 posts. That bullsh*t is biased. Whats a fact is: U3 won best graphics awards by most professionals so, unless you're a stupid person that believes all of them are biased towards PS3, U3 is the better looking game - FACT

But the score includes art, so it only means that more people prefered U3 art, not that PS3 is stronger

The Gears 3 engine makes Uncharted 3 look like a joke

lol you wish

You do know what "graphics" means dont you? I guess not

There are best artstyle awards too, ya know?

If gears was soo graphically good it would have been at least nominated... and it wasnt ahah

Now deal with it butthurt lem :cool:

Gears 3 image quality is like a generation ahead of U3 jaggies fest

loosingENDS

Lol. You really want your arguments to sound legit with comments like these? Try harder you pathetic lem

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="4dr1el"]

The point of my post. You missed it.

Sigh* my point was: you can find bad or good shots of any game if you look hard enough. That why this posting of shots is more often then not biased and convenient for whoever posts them. LoosingENDS is a known lemming on GS so of course he would look for bad U3 posts and good gears3 posts. That bullsh*t is biased. Whats a fact is: U3 won best graphics awards by most professionals so, unless you're a stupid person that believes all of them are biased towards PS3, U3 is the better looking game - FACT

4dr1el

But the score includes art, so it only means that more people prefered U3 art, not that PS3 is stronger

The Gears 3 engine makes Uncharted 3 look like a joke

lol you wish

You do know what "graphics" means dont you? I guess not

There are best artstyle awards too, ya know?

If gears was soo graphically good it would have been at least nominated... and it wasnt ahah

Now deal with it butthurt lem :cool:

Gears 3 looks way better, U3 looks like a collection of jaggies everywhere

Of course i am talking about the actual game, not the fake pre-rendered bullshots posted a few posts above

Are there two Uncharted 3 versions ??? Because one looks garbage and one looks like CGI

Sony and its fans have reached the final stages of desparation with all those fake, pre-rendered and downsampled pictures they try to pass as real in game stuff

Gears 3 image quality is like a generation ahead of U3 jaggies fest

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

RSX cost Sony $129?

They got ripped off, they should get their money back.

Nvidia ripped off Sony big time, that GPU is a piece of schit, it's hardly worth $29 not $129.

Anyway

Bottom line

360 has better hardware technically and more advanced OS to give games more RAM (smaller footprint)

PS3 has better first party developers, and a better company in general.

RyviusARC

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"][QUOTE="tormentos"] On 2005 a 7800GTX was like $500 dollars for the video card alone,the PS3 is say to be 7900 with a starved bandwidth,the 7900 on 2006 was like $500 as well,so no $129 on 2006 wasn't that big of a deal,i am sure that prices went down a year after it,how much do you think the X1900xt was when it hit.? Like $550 and it release like 2 months after the 360,that is the GPU basically inside the 360,so i am sure MS actually pay even more than sony.tormentos

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Gears 3 image quality is like a generation ahead of U3 jaggies fest

4dr1el

Lol. You really want your arguments to sound legit with comments like these? Try harder you pathetic lem

I posted pics, Uncharted 3 looks horrible and is full of jaggies like a PS1 game

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Gears 3 image quality is like a generation ahead of U3 jaggies fest

4dr1el

Lol. You really want your arguments to sound legit with comments like these? Try harder you pathetic lem

I posted pics, Uncharted 3 looks horrible and is full of jaggies like a PS1 game

It would be great if it's a hardcore console. If it's all about Kinect, it will fail miserably in the hardcore market.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="RyviusARC"] The PS3's RSX was way gimped. It's ROPs and bandwidth was cut in half down to 7600gt levels. Offloading certain GPU tasks to the Cell is what gave it a performance boost. Also....no the 360 does not have an X1900xt. It was based on the same series but there are a whole lots of GPUs from that series. The Xbox 360 actually used something like a mid end GPU spec wise. Probably something like a X1650XT. The reason it perform better than that is because it used unified shader tech. If you were somehow able to make an actual X1900xt utilize unified shaders then it would blow away the Xbox 360. The best way to see this is to compare not shader intensive games and you will see the X1900xt easily performs at much higher results than the Xbox 360's Xenos.04dcarraher

So where are these performance numbers coming from?