XBox, as a brand, on trial at E3 this year.

And that games is day 1...awww yeahhh! :D

I'll prob gets any gears trilogy too..

Who's to say it's only the first game? Nobody knows this.

The Order? Lol. Press X to not give a shit.

Bloodborne is a good game. One problem though, all the top exclusives are being pushed to 2016 and Sony said so themselves to think of 2015 as the beginning because it will be scarce. These remasters are being used like fillers to not bore the previous 360 owners.

Oh, MS will stay even if X1 absolutely flops (which it wont). they will still get loads of profit out the ads they post on the home screen. i am still interested in forza.

Instead of once again bashing Microsoft and the Xbox brand. (Again) but more sneaky this time, I'll give you that. How about you worry about how much of a monumental failure the PS4 is, and not from a sales perspective, but as a console.

@primorandomguy:

^^^ I was thinking along those lines as well. Time and again, I see him post about how MS should prove themselves, and how they're in trouble. Meanwhile, Sony is broke as a beggar with a console that has 2 worthwhile games on it so far, with one of those being a remaster, but he never questions that.

I'll give him extra points for being sneaky though.

Xbox on trial? Looks like Sony pleaded guilty to 'murder' when they confirmed no games for their system and went straight to jail. Shouldn't be more concerned about that?

lol delusional as ever I see, pathetic.

Yeah they've won E3, even though Nintendo and Sony have kicked their ass for over a decade now.

If Sony doesn't beat them then Nintendo will, Xbox has never won and won't this year either.

Useless posts as ever which add absolutely nothing to the discussion, worthless poster.

@nyadc: lol cause you add something right?

Loser.

Yes, I actually talk about the discussion taking place, you target and insult people because they enjoy their Xbox's while adding to the discussion in zero capacity, you're the definition of forum cancer and shit posting...

Yet you slag off ANYONE you enjoys the PS4 and wish death on them in PM, you're the definition of a failure.

No I don't, and I have not once wished death on anyone in a PM, cancerous liar...

Good read.

I still think Xbox will remain a one trick pony with halo

There is so much exaggeration in his post, just filled with insecurity. It must be tiresome being a cow

Yeah I don't see why you think Quantum Break will compete against Uncharted 4. If Alan Wake is anything to go by, I'm highly doubting it both sales and game quality wise.

Well, they said that about their first party titles, they said nothing about not having third party exclusives. They also ear-marked over 100 Billion Yen for the Playstation business this FY. It remains to be seen. The echo chamber has distorted those facts to make it sound like something it's not. We'll see at E3, though. I think someone can make a thread about Sony to make their case on that as I see them as masters of their own destiny. (Pun not intended)

See also above response

I also own a WiiU and a pretty nice (albeit in the early stages of rebuild) gaming PC. I'm not nearly married to the Playstation brand as you might think. You guys are more than welcome to make a thread about Sony. If anything, at least this thread has led to some lively discussion and intelligent debates. That, in itself, was my goal.

Why do you feel they HAVE to throw money around? The console is selling better than their previous one, just because PS4 had a lot of hype, does not mean that Microsoft has to buy/build even more new exclusive games...

Soundbite Versus Reality 101.

The 360, itself, did not launch exactly spectacularly. In fact, it has been out 8 months before Sony even announced the price of the PS3. On top of that, lest ye forget, it was the Wii that sold like gangbusters through '06 and '07 and swept the gaming market, even in the US. Selling comparatively to the 360 at the start of Gen 7 isn't the same as selling like the 360 at the halfway point and beyond of Gen7. You would do well to consider this when pimping a lame soundbite to defend the XBone.

Secondly, it was precisely because of the transition to HD graphics that were eating up developers and even publishers (RIP, THQ) that developers were desperate to spread their risk last generation. Even going so far as to announce exclusivity to Sony one day and then go MP to the XBox the next year. It won a lot of fanfare last gen, but now MS is in no position to repeat that performance. Not in the US. Not anywhere else in the world. What that means is the 360 wouldn't enjoy success under these same conditions.

Ultimately, what it means is that before when companies like SE were willing to take a chance and release games like Infinite Undiscovery on the 360 or it got games like Eternal Sonata first, the roles have been switched around. There's no denying that the very public support that poured into a title like Titanfall at the onset of generation 8 is a scale tipping towards the PS4 seeing as how TF2 is coming to PS4. It will undoubtedly be unveiled on Sony's stage this year if not EA's. With all the other games that XBone has dropped exclusivity of, it's very easy to see why third party publishers and developers don't put their eggs all in one basket. That is one problem the 360 never had.

But go on with that song little bird. After all, the 360 didn't break 10M units sold in one year (globally) until 2008. Do you really want to bet you'll be able to say "But the XBone is doing better than the 360 did" into next year without a serious third party exclusivity bombshell?

@wobblypops

We have barely seen any decent (not indie) third party game developer dropping the XBox One. Do you have some nice numbers for this. Of ALL the third party games on Xbox One and PS4, that aren't indies, how many PS4 has more of these, and how much percentage-wise this is of the complete library. You will see that it is shit, and doesn't matter. If developers would drop the Xbox One, like they dropped the Wii U, than you have a point, but that isn't the case. Not at all... You are just exaggerating to make a point. But yes, I'm 100% sure that Microsoft will sell +10mil consoles in 2016.

Also TF2 isn't going to be seen at E3 this year, already said by the developers.

You talk about it from a gamer perspective, though. No company, not even Nintendo, really gives a flying **** about customer base. If they can make profit off COD and Madden, they will.

Every console manufacturer is always on trial. If anything, it is Sony's job to keep the momentum.

I said drop exclusivity. Good to know about TF2, though. Probably needs an extra year or two away from the spotlight considering the only real issue with TF1 was lack of content.

They do care about expanding their customer base, though. That means CoD and Madden are more profitable. It equates to developer and publisher support, which is also more games to sell and make profit on.

Yeah, I probably worded that wrong...my point being that exclusives are not MS game. Haven't been since the original Xbox. All the same, I don't think is matters. If their business model is profitable, they'll keep doing what they're doing. However, I do agree with you that the XB1 is not reaching the successes of its predecessors. If that's the case, business model changes. Maybe a win for gamers, eh?

Yeah Microsoft has a real problem in the exclusivity department with Scalebound, Quantum Break, Gears of War, Forza, Halo, Crackdown... You know what the power is of Microsoft over these companies. They will just say: Let's release it exclusively on Xbox One, if it does not sell above this threshold, we will release it on PC, after 6-12 months. Which is win-win for them, since PC is Windows. They really can't lose...

Of course you as consumer can say: "Why would I buy an Xbox One for that game, if it releases on PC after 6-12 months?". Well my response to that is:"Why would you buy a game for 60$ at launch, when it is only 30$ after 6-12 months, if you care so much about money?"

This seems like really well articulated nonsense. I'm not too worried about Xbox one this e3 since it already has a pretty solid lineup. Any new games that are announced is just gravy. Maybe next year they'll be struggling to make meaningful announcements. I can't say the same for sony though. There's a good chance I'm going to sell my ps4 for a wii u since... I don't need two consoles that overlap mostly and have pay to play. Blood borne is the only game I own that I actually care about currently for the ps4 and with xbox I have several.

Struggling worldwide, yes cause Asian countries have been against anything MS from the 360 days but struggling in the U.S.? They aren't struggling in the U.S. at all and they have been gaining ground there. The only other realistic goal is that they try to tighten the gap in Europe, that can be had for them if they come out with the right games which is wher E3 comes in but they'll never win market share in any Asian countries cause they are anti us anything.

I would agree with you with Bloodborne, that is a great game but The Order? I think we are all in argument that game is Meh at best, nothing to counteract with that game.

WHy would any dev in their right minds sign exclusivity deals with a flopping console that wins one or two months a year in sales in ONE region only.'

MS this E3: Halo, Gears reharsh, Gears, Forza, TOmb Raider.

That's it

I'd call that struggling compared to how they were doing last year. On top of that, in order to be competitive and keep that gap from widening, they had to remove Kinect, undercut the PS4 by 50 and bundle two games, or MCC.

Is barely outselling the xbox 360 with 2 free games and $150 off its original price which the 360 didn't have on its first 2 years.

I hope the exclusives rain because that is the excuse you people are using to justify the loss of big advertising contracts like it is been rumor with COD.

Well they already confirmed Uncharted collection which mean that is not getting much talk on E3 and that mean more room for new things,sony has never have problems pouring games,they not only always have tons of games but they also are not scare to creating new series which try something new,like Journey,TTC and many others.

Is not the first time MS talk about game and all end in crappy fake presentations and a let down.

Shrinking.? They won the last NPD by 13k while losing the month before by 100k.

In order to shrink you need to constantly outsell your competition,also they are struggling the XB360 had a 15 or 16 million gap vs the PS3 in US so been down by 800k when you were up by 16 million last gen is struggling.

Yeah what did they over come.? Their own fu** up.? it has been 1 year since the price was drop to $400 and 8 months since it drop to $350 with 2 free games,sony hasn't even press hard and they still losing,imaging if sony drops the price by $100 this year...

DRM was drop before launch all policies were change and even the damn price was drop in just 8 months,not that it was $500 by the end of February 2014 it was $449 with Free Titanfall digital,which was actually $10 dollars cheaper than a PS4 with Infamous on that same march.

MS has make deals since it started,free Fifa,Free titanfall,free madden,free destiny,free sunset over drive,free Assassin creed you name it.

They are struggling they were leading by several millions last gen on US they had a healthy gap in millions last gen this one they are losing by 800k and because they have been making this huge deals and offers because other way they would not have sold.

Talk all the crap you want the xbox 360 wasn't selling for $250 with 2 free games by its 12 month,the xbox one was drop $150 and added 2 free games including a damn new shinny game on a very popular series Assassin Creed.

http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/

Now this isn't 100% accurate but even if they are off by 1 million units what they show there is that the xbox 360 totally dominated US even beat the Wii in US,so the number 1 console in US which sold 48 million vs the PS3 29 million is losing this gen by 800k when last one they were head by almost 20 million,you are a blind lemming B4X.

So wait an unproven series will counter Uncharted 4.? This is my point with lemmings,i guess is safe to say TTC will conter Halo,Rime will counter Fable,Until Down will counter Tomb Raider,and Drawn to death,No Man Sky will destroy Forza.

It is an unproven series how the fu** it can counter Uncharted 4 it can end flopping as hard as The order did,let me guess Scalebound will counter God of war 4 right.?

Is incredible how lemming ride this unproven series as if they were Halo or Call of Duty,you don't know were that game will end you hope it end good sony has a barrage of new IP this holiday but some how all those are bad..lol

Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.................

Gran Turismo says high you moron,it sold as much as Halo did before Halo even existed.

In fact GT sold like 10 million units and MS wasn't even on the console market.

Spyro,Crash,Wipeout,Syphon Filter,Twisted Metal,Cool Boarders,extreme games,wild arms,Ape Scape,Arc the lad,Blasto,Medi Evil,C12,Colony Wars,IQ final,Jumping Flash,The legend of Dragoon,MLB while is license it is made by Sony before the xbox even existed,Motor toon grand prix,Omega Boost,Parapa the Rapper,Popolocrois,Rally Cross,Rapid Race,Team buddies.

New Mantra my ass man you lemming are newbies most of those ^^ games if not all of the were created before the xbox brand was even here,so either you started gaming on xbox or you are clueless about sony games,oh and there isn't a single PS2 series there like Ico,Socom,Jack,Ratchet,ATV,God of war and many others.

Just because the PS had 3rd party exclusive of big naming doesn't mean sony didn't push for first party games.

Basically your post it total bullshit this is why lemmigs hate me so much i make them look like silly fanboys,GT1 sold 10 million units before the xbox was even release let alone Halo,not all games sell like Halo on PS side but then again what fu**ing game from MS other than Halo Sell like Halo.? Because Forza sure doesn't Gears wasn't even a MS game it was epic and never sold 10 million in a chapter,Fable is a flop sales wise,so is basically every MS game even Forza which failed hard to even chart with Forza Horizon 2 this past holiday.

The only game MS has that sold great is Halo just like GT for sony,alto that is changing TLOU as of July 16 2014 had sold 7 million copies on PS3 alone,so basically in 1 year they sold 7 million units which is quite great not only was critically claim score wise it was also sales wise,should be at 8.5 or 9 millions on PS3 by now,which is quite great i think Halo 4 sold like that and is a 2012 game.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/07/16/the-last-of-us-sales-pass-7-million-with-new-dlc-coming

The game sold 6 million by March 4 month latter it was at 7 million so is it safe to say it most be close to 9 or at least 8.5 million again i think you have your answer to Halo sales,and then some since Halo 4 failed to outsold Halo Reach i am sure 10 million doesn't have.

What the fu** isn't that the same recycle shit xbox fans had been playing since 2006.?

Lets party like it is 2006.. 3 Forza,2 Halo and 1 Gears collection by the first 24 month of the console is quite pathetic,i hope they have new games coming because the same recycle garbage is getting old.

So no Fable Legends, Scalebound, Crackdown, Quantum break, or other new exclusives? Nice prediction... It would be more accurate to say: Many more exclusives for PS4 releasing in 2018.

So, what you're saying is, doing nothing is better than taking a chance on a new IP? I'm just trying to wrap my head around the moral of the story here.

Sony is broke yet make a stronger console than MS and is giving them a run for their money again even with MS Billions...hahaha

Well 2 worthwhile games are better than Non...

So what have you play on xbox one since January 1 to now.?

The Tomorrow Children,Rime,Until Down,Drawn to Death,No Man Sky there are games what there isn't is recycle series,like Gran turismo or Uncharted,oh well yeah there is an Uncharted but is a collection even more recycle.

I prefer new games to re skinned Halo now in 792p re skinned racer on 1080 and yet another collection,is sad that people want to play the same shit over and over again,man get some new API and convince me to spent some cash on that shit console,because Halo,Forza,Gears will not do that,i don't know if Quantum Break will be good or another The order but is at least something new,they should bring more new games and less Halo,gears,forza shit which they have in mary- go -round since 2006.

Barely selling better with lost of price drops and freebies which the 360 didn't have,yet the 360 was the leading console in US when the xbox one is losing,hell the 360 had a huge shortage which cut into its first year sales,it lasted 6 months.

Why not now why 2016.? That is where the xbox one will fall short,the xbox 360 several year pass 10+ million units,and the xbox one doesn't see to have the force to pull it off,sony already did quite easy.

This is my problem with lemming,you account those games as if they were great,Scalebound hasn't even been freaking show it was a fake CG on E3,not a single drop of gameplay has been shown yet you people list it like something with force and weight,Quantum Break again can end badly and last Remedy game wasn't great in any way other than visually and that if we ignore that it was one of the lowest games resolution wise last gen.

Now i applaud the creations of new series,is better than having 20 Halo and 20 Uncharted,but if you are going to account games that are unproven i suggest you do it linearly.

The Tomorrow Children,Rime,Until Down,No Man sky,Drawn To Death all are new IP 4 of those exclusive to sony and will be out this year,one is PS4 time exclusive first.

Fakeboy alert...

Lets see last gen they won US 48 million vs 29 million for the PS3,and this gen they are behind 800k and growing.

They are struggling when you go from winning to losing you are struggling,specially if you had a wide gap,much like it happen with the PS3 compare to the PS2.

EU and Asia is pro Sony,MS won UK last gen UK doesn't = EU,which is why sony was able to catch MS.

Yet they still bothered with the Ps3, go figure.

I don't get why you NEED a new IP, when the old ones are still fresh... Does someone complain about new Super Mario games? :s

Well. You may want to grease up, because apparently a whole lot of untested developers have new IP and resurrected IP ready to make like an Autobot and roll out at MSes conference if Phil Spencer is to be taken at his word. The question I have is whether you will be here proclaiming all these games as the second coming or if reality will set in at the possibility of them falling flat just like The Order did.

After all, the focus of my OP is for third party bombshells to buffer the untested "new direction" that MS seems set to go with this year. Which is strangely a lot like the direction Sony took last year lol

I don't mind new IP's, I just don't need them when the others still suffice.

@Shewgenja: Right now, Microsoft has this lined up for the rest of the year and into next: Halo 5, Forza 6, Gears Remaster, Gears of War 4, Fable Legends, Rise of the Tomb Raider (inb4 timed), Scalebound, Quantum Break, with promises of an E3 that "focuses solely on first party".

Sony has this for the rest of the year and next: Until Dawn, Uncharted 4, God of War Remaster (lol), Uncharted trilogy remaster (lol no mp = double lol)

Nintendo has: Yoshi's Wooly World, Xenoblade Chronicles X, and a small promise of Zelda U and Star Fox, a game we still have seen nothing about.

So for now, unless Sony and Nintendo really drop some new stuff at E3, I honestly think Microsoft is gonna take the cake. It all depends on what Sony and Nintendo do, and if Microsoft can restrain themselves from putting all these games on PC at some point.

'Lets see last gen they won US 48 million vs 29 million for the PS3,and this gen they are behind 800k and growing./

Err, didn't the Xbone beat the Ps4 in north america last month? if so that would equate to the Gap shrinking, not growing dude.

'Barely selling better with lost of price drops and freebies which the 360 didn't have,yet the 360 was the leading console in US when the xbox one is losing,hell the 360 had a huge shortage which cut into its first year sales,it lasted 6 months.'

The 360 didn't have any real competition in the US for it's first year though which was the argument you cows used for why the Ps3 was losing if i remember, so it's not really an accurate comparison is it?

'The order but is at least something new,they should bring more new games and less Halo,gears,forza shit which they have in mary- go -round since 2006.'

Ace combat 6

Banjo-kazooie

Crackdown

Crackdown 2

Fable 2

infinite undiscovery

Kingdom under fire Circle of doom

Naruto

Naval assualt

Ninety nine knights 2

PGR 4

Steel batallion heavy armour

Too human

Viva pinata.

Sunset overdrive.

All released AFTER 2006 and i didn't include indie/arcade games

Quit with the Myth that all the xbox has as far as exclusives are concerned is Forza, Gears and Halo, it's an argument that doesn't hold up in the real world

Oh, you have a release date for Gears 4, Scalebound and Quantum Break? Cuz, from over here, that looks like a whole lot of padded resume. Kudos for lol'ing remasters for Sony but dropping a Gears remaster like it's something, though. I mean, wow, a game that even came out to PC no less but let me make way for that monster lineup over here. But, sure, MS definitely doesn't need any third party bombshells at E3 when you argue so convincingly.. I mean, "got eem", right?

Coming from a gamer who owns a PS4 (and a gaming PC THANK GOD)., It isn't M$ who should be worried about this E3. Sony has absolutely NO HYPE coming into this show and they basically "softened the blow" by stating "We have no teh games for this year".. think about that. We have TWO re-masters spearheading their Holiday lineup. <- WTF is that all about? All of their new IP's have failed thus far (Knack, Drive Club, The Order) and their next big game was pushed into Next year.

..yea let's worry about M$. :/

Uhm GoW3 is just one game as well. Not like Sony isn't doing that. At least there's more than a campaign in Gears. I admit, the possibility of playing the online again is tempting.

My X1 has an answer for the Order. It's the Xbox movie store. LOL

@Shewgenja: you still haven't brought up how bad of a console the PS4 is.

Haha silly goose.

@Shewgenja: The Xbox One is selling very well and this doesn't seem likely to change anytime soon. And its a wonder after the disastrous E3 2013 MS conference. No matter how well the Hypestation4 sells, it doesn't change the fact that XB1 is a success, even more so than the 360 at this point in its life cycle. Even Sony doesn't understand why the PS4 is selling so well..lol

@Shewgenja: Why would MS need an answer to The Order? The Order was just a weak answer to Ryse anyway.