XBox, as a brand, on trial at E3 this year.

@Shewgenja: pretty sure gears of war 4, Scalebound and quantum break are in the same boat as ps4 games like ratchet and clank, uncharted 4, god of war 4, horizon (GG new IP), and the syphon filter guys new IP: all announced or hinted at but no solid release dates.

And yes LOLOLOL at uncharted collection. 60 dollars for 2 games that are from 8 and 6 years ago, a game from 4 years ago, and to make matters worse they remove the mp. Wow.

Feel free to start a thread with a well-thought out argument as to why the PS4 is in danger less than two months after Bloodborne creamed every exclusive on the XBone and then had the better version of TW3. You do that, and I'll be there to root you on.

Well, you are blatantly ignoring reality, Xbox one isn't in any danger and is posed to have a better line up this year where sony just blew its load with a game delayed from last year. Its a great game yes, but I don't think any one will care about it that much this christmas.

Platinum is a reliable dev and has output many quality games, and there is a release date in site for it.

Scalebound http://www.amazon.com/Scalebound-Xbox-One/dp/B00KVLXX3O/?tag=georiot-grd-20

Fable Legends - no molynex and it looks like an interesting ftp game,

Halo 5

Crackdown 3 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KVLZ00I/ref=s9_simh_gw_p63_d0_i3?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1GER5D35C2FAN90Q3B2P&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop

And sony

Until Dawn... this august.

There's not a whole lot that seems to have a release date for sony atm, which means 2016 is looking good for ps4. Granted both consoles are pretty pitiful if we pull in PC into the mix. ps4 you can say is marginally better than xbox but not to the point where it would make a significant difference unlike PC.

Disqualified for hyping Crackdown 3. Clearly, you didn't read the OP lol

I'm not hyping, I'm just pointing the reality that xbox has a decent lineup. You OP doesn't negate the benefits to having a solid 7/10 game or a huge sleeper hit.. And the discussion about E3 so... Sony is the one that has an uphill battle, especially since most of their games have slid into 2016 so... your OP is nonsense.

@waahahah: you speak truth while moojenga just ignores reality. And shame on him for bringing up TW3 as a positive for the ps4. Have you seen the comparison videos? Little to no difference.

For such a rich company I was expecting for them to put out more franchises other than Halo Gears Forza Fable throughout more then 10 fvckin years now.. MS is a cancer for gaming. the pay to play online thingy its all their fault and the idiots that kept paying for it

Yeah, even better on Xbox One. PS4 has way more framerate problems. And Gameplay > Graphics. Sony can have their stuttering pixels

I might have to keep a close eye to maximize trade in of mine.

Yeah, because you know, all those threads here and across the internets about how unplayable TW3 is because of it's framerate. Good call there.

50% mow powaaaaaaaa

Ryse offers a real campaign and a multiplayer. Even though both games seem to be flops I would say that Ryse edges out The Order as the better game.

Well, if the XBone has proven anything, it's that you don't need a good console when people can turn lemons to lemonade.

LOL worthy.

It outsold 360 worldwide... Go figure. LOL. Where is Xbox 1 outselling PS4? .... I'll wait.

@wobblypops said:

@StrongDeadlift said:

@Shewgenja said:

Well, I'll be fair. They've really needed to take a look at their first party catalog for a while. It is actually a good thing for them to put focus there. However, no one ever bought an XBox for its first party because that is where they are the weakest of the three.XBox is a house that third party built, and that is where it has always been expressed it will take its stand. By both its fans and by its leadership.

This is bullshit. You cannot acknowlege that millions of people purchased an Xbox solely to play Halo (first party) games, and then in the same breath claim that not only is Xbox the house that third party built, but the laughable implication (at least prior to this gen) that people historically bought Sony consoles for first party.

The whole "Sony is about first party" thing is a NEW mantra, not an old one. Historically, the playstation brand's legacy was built almost entirely on third party exclusives (Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Devil May Cry, Tekken, etc.) Sony didnt adopt their new "first party" mantra until Microsoft started bullying them out of these exclusive 3rd party contracts, and Sony needed franchises that were nailed to the floor.

Sony has never had a first party franchise that commanded console sales the way Halo did. The closest thing they ever had to a "mascot" in that reguard was Crash Bandicoot and Spyro. And Gran Turismo.

Yeah, let's pretend Gran Turismo never happened and that Halo 4 sold at least as much as Halo 3 did (Despite there being tens of millions more 360s as an installed fanbase than when H3 came out) and then voila, he has a point. Not that this thread is about Sony, though. Just facts being all facts and shit.

When defending a console brand that has never broken the 90M unit sold mark let alone 100, ya'll sure do manufacture some creative arguments. Reality be damned.

Can you explain why it's not a good console. You've made a lot of claims without any real information backing them up.

They aren't perfoming as well as ps4, somehow you've made this leap in logic that that mean's they aren't performing well. All of a sudden they are struggling to make their case as a manufacturer? Seriously Nintendo is the one that is struggling in the console market. Apart from a few good first party exclusives, they don't have the support for the console from 3rd party. M$ does. It has first party and 3rd party exclusives where they own the IP. If you think M$ is hobbling together IP's I couldn't imagine what you think of sony.

You make a claim that its a one trick pony because of halo, ignoring all of the other IP's M$ has created since 360 started. Does that make sony a no trick pony because they never had a game single handedly define one of their system.

It's fun to make fun of things and use terms like "ResolutionGate", but its not like Ps4 is outliving the "DelayStation" name any time soon. And really nobody really care's about the resolution. When you sit down to play a game so long as the game is playable and fun, that's all that matters. But yes you can have it in a list to check off for the ps4 when comparing but ultimately not a huge difference.

The interface is atrocious... why? Ps4's isn't exactly better. I'd even say that Xbox's interface design is laid out in a way that is easier to find things, is more consistent, and more intuitive. The ps4 also uses tiles but in a giant single line list, hiding things like options and friends list in some menu that you need to access by pressing up.

Also you mention Halo MCC is a complete fiasco because the online was spotty for many people... but there's no mention of uncharted package completely removing the MP. At least 343 fixed MCC, sony just decided to leave that part out of its rerelease.

All you've done is point out that its not the best system to go to any more compared to 360's reign... And by some crazy logic that must mean its bad and ps4 is the ultimate system to choose this gen, plus nintendo gets a pass on the console performance because of handhelds?? As far as games go so far this gen, I'm much happier with my xbox than ps4. And I'm looking forward to many more game's on my xbox than my ps4.

Well said. Don't worry yourself over what Shewgenja posts though, he's known around here as Cowgenja/Moogenja for a very good reason.

The incoherent mooing of a cow

Or, you know, you guys could stop crying like little bitches about Sony and make a thread about them since that's not what this thread is about.

There's one post I've been waiting to see happen in this thread and it is astounding to me that it hasn't yet, because it is a tacit admission that even the die-hard, dyed in the wool, valiant System Warrior fanboys don't even have faith in the XBone anymore.

I mean, how hard is it for someone to come in here and tell me that the joke's on me? Where's the "Oh, Shugenja, you really dun' fucked up now man. MS is going to drop a 50 megaton nuke right on your face for talking this much shit."

How about: "Man, you know MS is going to be coming at E3 with the CASH FLOW. Run to your little shelter "Moogenja" or get yourself a gallon of SPF 10000000000."

I hear precisely none of that. I find that very troubling. At first, I figured, I'm the only person on SW that has as little faith in Microsoft's ability to deliver on the legendary promise of moneyhat bombs. I questioned my own reasoning for making this thread and debated making it for quite some time actually. After all, it is me who is signing up for a heavy dose of ownage right now and directly mention that I will also be watching MSes E3 intently to see if they make the grade.

But as it all turns out, all I'm getting in this thread from the Lems is the same tired BooHoo Crew bullshit. So much so, we've reached the point where Snugenz is giving pep-talks to the junior Lemming as is oft to happen. Somehow. Some way. In generation 8, the Lemmings have as little faith in XBox riding in to save the day as I do. Just a re-hash of the same old soundbites and circular arguments and name-calling they've been doing ever since the XBone was revealed. Guys, is it really that bad?

Difference between you and the guy i gave my apparent "pep talk" to is that he's actually making sense, you're just shitting on anything Xbox yet again, because well that's what you seem to live for, which is why i was telling the guy not to bother with you.

And i'm far from a lemming, if you took your head out of Sony's ass for one moment you'd know that.

INB4 you get that old reliable victim card out, it's inevitable.

Hey, if ya'll got no faith in the XBone but want to take it out on me for putting it in black & white, I'm completely cool with that. Let's just call it for what it is, though.

Who's crying about sony,

You're argument to put it loosely is... the xbox brand isn't the best so it's bad, and Sony didn't have launch issues and nintendo has handheld so can be ignored in my conclusion that Microsoft is "struggling to make a case for their spot as the third manufacturer of the "Big Three"".

Your argument and discussions thus far haven't been about the xbox brand in a vacuum, they've come with some heavy handed assumptions with respect to the other console manufacturer's. The entire OP can be completely deconstructed as pointless nonsense when we point this out. You can't make a counter case against "struggling to make a case for their spot as the third manufacturer" without bringing in the other manufacturer's and the rest of your arguments have no foundation to stand on when pointing out how silly the assumptions are.

So, what you're saying is, MS will of course have a massive third-party bombshell at E3. Is that correct? Or, do you need to go back and read the OP?

So, did MS piss in your cereal?

What has that got to do with my argument that your OP is stupid?

You know what, i actually agree with most (not all because lets be honest, you let your fanboy get the better of you a lot of the time) of your criticisms about the Xbone, i own one but it very rarely gets any use, in fact it's completely plugged out right now and has been since MCC iirc.

Xbox criticism is not what i call you out on, what i call you out on is your creepy obsession with shit talking an inanimate object. It's literally all i ever see you do here.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the devs said there was no Gears collection it was a one off. I'm still hoping that's not true, Gears trilogy I'd buy straight away, never played the originals properly but the first one on its own no chance. I won't touch God of War 3 on its own either.

Halo MCC set the standard for collection remasters and Uncharted Trilogy is matching it. Gears and Gods with their 'one at a time' or just 'one' can both **** off.

how so? from what im reading the collection doesn't include the muitplayer

From what I read on here Halo MP is ultra important hence Gamespot shitting on Halo MCC for the MP problems was justified whereas with Uncharted MP is not important. That appears to be the consensus. Personally I couldn't give a toss about MP in either series which both have absolutely outstanding single player games.

Because we're not all horse blinder fanboys like yourself, it's a video game console, I'm happy with it, what's been accomplished with it, what is being done with it currently and what it has coming. What in the **** would I or anyone else accomplish by saying any of that type of nonsense highlighted in your post? Even if it were true and Microsoft were going to wipe the floor with Sony, why does it need to be said?

It seems to me like you Sony nuts are arrogant just for the sake of being that way or you have some kind of inferiority complex and have something to prove all the time. It's a fact of life that people and things in a position of power don't need to assert that they're powerful, they don't need to convince people they're superior, they don't need reassurances, they just are and people know it. The irony of all of that is all I see day in and day out is Sony fanatics trying to convince everyone that what they own and covet is superior, that's very telling of their actual reality.

I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else, I like what I like and I don't give a rats ass what you think.

he's already playing the victom card, because of what other people in this thread are saying I somehow can be lopped up with the "lemmings" and he's mostly dismissing any arguments of mine. He just keeps reiterating for me to go read the OP where most of my argument is, the OP has no real foundation to stand on. All of the conjecture and conclusions in it are based on stupid logic with as much fluff surrounding that logic as possible. Its one of those cases where he's thought about this deeply but in reality he's lost in the woods and needs to take a step back to see the forest again.

I think what has a lot of you mad at me is that you know I'm right. Love the psychoanalysis, though. You really nailed my "complex" there. I'll remember to not make threads on a web forum to prove how confident I am on subjects we're not talking about.

I don't see how any of this matter's. Who cares if other people said M$ could buy their way out of a bad position. You're assuming they are in a bad position because they aren't dominating which is pretty stupid. They've had a pretty strong line up of games, great 3rd party support, it may not be the strongest console but its not exactly far off. And lets face it, if M$ is in a poor position its probably with windows 8 and they are giving windows 10 away for basically free for a year...

I just wanted to know whether you expected a massive third party bombshell and you gave me chaff. I've pointed out previously in this thread that MS didn't even break 10M units sold in a year til 2008 but you're towing the same tired line that everything is okay because the Bone is moving like the 360 did.

Literally everything with you guys goes in the same circles. I mean, I suppose I should congratulate you for throwing Windows into the conversation now, but we're so far off from what the thread is about as to be laughable. Truthfully, when I go back and read this thread, I try to channel the mind of someone who is undecided. Do I get a PS4? Do I get an Xbone? Do I want both?

Looking back, it really seems like you guys cannot focus on the subject. It's not immediately clear if you guys don't want too or simply just can't. Like the music is too loud and you're stuck in a car without headphones to drown it out. Just like a bunch of four year old kids, you start talking really loud and put your hands over your years while yelling "LA LA LA LA LA LA" but the music isn't stopping. One more week til E3 and you guys can't be arsed for a straight answer to simple questions at this point. It's astonishing.

you're a tad bit delusional on that front. You're OP is completely bias and filled with assumptions and opinions you try to post as fact. You even tried to make it sound as if Ensemble Studios going under was an blow towards the xbox brand when the only game they created for the xbox brand was halo wars.

Long story short..your OP is a joke and only shows your own insecurity.

Yeah, I left out closing FASA as well. Shall I break out the poppers and confetti? How about you start a thread titled "Closing first-party studios is awesome." and see how far that goes.

Your trying to channel the mind of someone that is undecided??? Then wtf do you keep bringing sales into the mix? Nobody plays or buys sales so Sony having more shouldn't matter at all. Nintendo having a handheld doesn't matter, and Sony not flopping out of the gate shouldn't matter. And even more stupid now is your admitting that the decision is ps4? Xbox? Both? But your completely leaving out any sony information out of the decision?

Your point is stupid. Its like saying the ps4 is terrible because the ps2 got to 20 million in under 2 years vs 3 for ps4. And the wii must be the most amazing system ever because of it's sales performance. Or the ps3 is terrible for the first 3 years of its life span.

XBox has had a steady stream of AAA games as will as numerous AA/A games and their first part is pretty reliable for that. They're support of 3rd party IP's even has brought a lot of interesting games to the market like sunset overdrive.

If your a consumer looking to buy a new console, both ps4 and xbox have stregths and weekness's. The obvious one is ps4 is slighty more powerful but not to the extent that it should be a priority. They both cost money to play online, they both have free games with the subscription. Xbox also has the EA subscription with some other espn benefits with live. Both exclusive lineups look pretty good but unfortunately more of Sony's have been confirmed to be sliding into 2016... So it comes down to which games would you rather have and what are your friends getting in reality.

System perfomance wise I imagine M$ thinks it could be doing better but I don't believe the real world thinks its in a dire situation at all. To sit here and say they need to spend billions on new IP's is pretty stupid. And its not like we aren't getting new IP's either, we've gotten sunset overdrive and Quantum break is on the way with scalebound., And as far as first party is concerned Crackdown isn't terrible but its not great, gears remaster and halo are both good games. Rare should be announcing their game at this e3... Fable looks like tons of fun.

Their situation on the PC front seems to be in a much more dire situation. Windows 8 pissed off a lot of people and steam machines if they become popular enough will make them the new definitive way to game on PC so I can see why M$ is giving windows 10 away for free with directx 12. I wouldn't even be too surprised if xbox becomes a steam machine of some sort and starts sharing a lot more games with windows 10 since they are planning on putting a version of windows 10 on xbox.

edit: And when i say "dire" situation on PC its more of a percieved problem where steam could potentially over take PC.. within the next 10 years...

Douevenlift_bro making lems cry and nervous about their purchase.

whoa

@Shewgenja: alright, lay out an unbiased, no bullshit, argument for why the PS4 is so great, and the Xbox one is so bad. Also i see above you tried to say Microsoft shutting down a first party studio, even when your precious Sony does the same, is an unforgivable sin. So please don't bring that up or you're a hypocrite.

MS E3 conference is the only one worth watching this year, based on hype. Sony, and Nintendo can only hope to surprise us. The bar has been set really low for Sony and Nintendo, and that is horrible for gamers.