Xbox Live a joke compared to PC Online or Xfire and Steam

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

[QUOTE="RoboThreat"]I love having XBL, to me its amazing something other consoles dont offer. PC gaming online for me is not really fun.PS3_3DO

Thats cuz u haven't played any PC games.

How can you say console online is better when PC offers

Dedicated Servers 50+ players Online

Free Online

Mod

Custom Maps

You've got to be crazy to think consoles have better online

Those dedicated servers are not free. Someone has to pay for those.

Yes publicities?

I love having XBL, to me its amazing something other consoles dont offer. PC gaming online for me is not really fun.RoboThreat

Same here.

I like that the online system is a platform-wide standard, and I like the conveniences that come along with that.

I hated Steam. What I liked were the maps and zm_ maps on CS:S.

Man, I miss that mod.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

You are out of your mind if you think PC online is free. Just because you choose to freeload other people's costs does not make it free. But then again you are probably just fine with "You have been removed from the server: Reserved slot" popping up every 10 minutes huh?

Vandalvideo

Not exactly free if you have to commit the time to being in a good clan though. I sure don't.

That's more like a job. You are getting "paid" with a free server.

And you don't have any outside responsibilities that go along with being in that clan? You just tossed a {zomg my clan name} in front of your name and now you have a free server? I highly doubt that. Your level of commitment that is required for getting a free server is what the rest of us consider a payment.

[QUOTE="usule"]

Yeah that might really suck!!!(dough) I spend 400 dollars(minimum) every six month on my pc to upgrade, and YOU are saying that 5 bucks a month is an issue!!! Give console gamers a brake, plus I also have a 360 and i'm verry happy with xbox live...

Another one looking to belong to a clan....

Bebi_vegeta

This has nothing to do with the topic...

Ugh...

Are people still making a big deal about 4.17 a month to pay for live?

Perhaps we should be making a bigger deal about the four hundred and fifty bucks I paid for a new Video Card to play Crysis....

Hermits discussing anyone else getting "milked" fail....

No experience with? Are you kidding me? I got one at launch and haven't touched it for more than a year.

I will not buy any consoles again

PSTriple4life

You had a 360? Was that before or after you paid for your demos on XBL?

And you don't have any outside responsibilities that go along with being in that clan? You just tossed a {zomg my clan name} in front of your name and now you have a free server? I highly doubt that. Your level of commitment that is required for getting a free server is what the rest of us consider a payment.Bgrngod

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="usule"]

Yeah that might really suck!!!(dough) I spend 400 dollars(minimum) every six month on my pc to upgrade, and YOU are saying that 5 bucks a month is an issue!!! Give console gamers a brake, plus I also have a 360 and i'm verry happy with xbox live...

Another one looking to belong to a clan....

nyoroism

This has nothing to do with the topic...

Where does upgrading have to do with online?

Ugh...

Are people still making a big deal about 4.17 a month to pay for live?

Perhaps we should be making a bigger deal about the four hundred and fifty bucks I paid for a new Video Card to play Crysis....

Hermits discussing anyone else getting "milked" fail....

cosmostein77

Yeah since you could of goten a 250$ card to play crysis instead.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

It's freeloading if someone else is paying your expenses for you.

I have a hard time believing you have never been kicked from a server before to allow room for a donator. I have that happen in just about every online game I play.

cobrax25

lol...what game are you playing? that happens to me maybe once a week, often even less...but it sure as hell beats having to quit the game when the Admin leaves in the Console COD4.

TF2 - It happens ALL the freakin' time. And not just on the same server. I actually bounced around a handful of different servers on saturday and was kicked from each one of them to make room for a reserved slot.

[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="usule"]

Yeah that might really suck!!!(dough)YOU are saying that 5 bucks a month is an issue!!! Give console gamers a brake, plus I also have a 360 and i'm verry happy with xbox live...

Another one looking to belong to a clan....

Bebi_vegeta

This has nothing to do with the topic...

Where does upgrading have to do with online?

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

You are out of your mind if you think PC online is free. Just because you choose to freeload other people's costs does not make it free. But then again you are probably just fine with "You have been removed from the server: Reserved slot" popping up every 10 minutes huh?

Bgrngod

Thats never happened once to me.. and its not free loading, its voluntary for people to buy servers, if they are set to public as in not passworded then its all good.... thats not "Freeloading"

Ahhh... clicking past the "Donate by clicking here!" notices I see.

Again, Voluntary, lowers thier costs if people are willing. its still not freeloading...

It's freeloading if someone else is paying your expenses for you.

I have a hard time believing you have never been kicked from a server before to allow room for a donator. I have that happen in just about every online game I play.

My 1 favourite TF2 server lately has a misleading 23/24 players, then when you try to join "slot reserved" if thats what you mean? and this is the only occasion ofr that aswell.

Its not free loading, its free of us users, end of story. they WANT us on thier servers.

[QUOTE="cosmostein77"]

Ugh...

Are people still making a big deal about 4.17 a month to pay for live?

Perhaps we should be making a bigger deal about the four hundred and fifty bucks I paid for a new Video Card to play Crysis....

Hermits discussing anyone else getting "milked" fail....

Bebi_vegeta

Yeah since you could of goten a 250$ card to play crysis instead.

Even if I opted for the "lower end" video card, rather then going higher end to play it properly,

The low end card is still worth about five years worth of live.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]And you don't have any outside responsibilities that go along with being in that clan? You just tossed a {zomg my clan name} in front of your name and now you have a free server? I highly doubt that. Your level of commitment that is required for getting a free server is what the rest of us consider a payment.Vandalvideo

I know how clans work. For you to sit there and just say "That's all I have to do." is a lie and you know it. You have time commitments you need to make as well as out-of-game commitments.

Just because the end user isn't directly coughing up dollars does not mean they don't pay. Being required to show up at a certain time for "events" is a payment. Your sponsors expect you to fulfill your end of the agreement just as much as you expect them to provide a free server. You fail to do that, you loose the server.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="usule"]

Yeah that might really suck!!!(dough)YOU are saying that 5 bucks a month is an issue!!! Give console gamers a brake, plus I also have a 360 and i'm verry happy with xbox live...

Another one looking to belong to a clan....

nyoroism

This has nothing to do with the topic...

Where does upgrading have to do with online?

His argument resolve around the PC upgrading needs...

But I could also say, PS3 is free... why is that?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]And you don't have any outside responsibilities that go along with being in that clan? You just tossed a {zomg my clan name} in front of your name and now you have a free server? I highly doubt that. Your level of commitment that is required for getting a free server is what the rest of us consider a payment.Bgrngod

I know how clans work. For you to sit there and just say "That's all I have to do." is a lie and you know it. You have time commitments you need to make as well as out-of-game commitments.

Just because the end user isn't directly coughing up dollars does not mean they don't pay. Being required to show up at a certain time for "events" is a payment. Your sponsors expect you to fulfill your end of the agreement just as much as you expect them to provide a free server. You fail to do that, you loose the server.

My 1 favourite TF2 server lately has a misleading 23/24 players, then when you try to join "slot reserved" if thats what you mean? and this is the only occasion ofr that aswell.

Its not free loading, its free of us users, end of story. they WANT us on thier servers.

Meu2k7

Freeloading... charity.... 6 in one, half a dozen in the other. Same thing.

Fact remains... someone is paying for it. So no, it's not free for all users.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

My 1 favourite TF2 server lately has a misleading 23/24 players, then when you try to join "slot reserved" if thats what you mean? and this is the only occasion ofr that aswell.

Its not free loading, its free of us users, end of story. they WANT us on thier servers.

VoodooHak

Freeloading... charity.... 6 in one, half a dozen in the other. Same thing.

Fact remains... someone is paying for it. So no, it's not free for all users.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="cosmostein77"]

Ugh...

Are people still making a big deal about 4.17 a month to pay for live?

Perhaps we should be making a bigger deal about the four hundred and fifty bucks I paid for a new Video Card to play Crysis....

Hermits discussing anyone else getting "milked" fail....

cosmostein77

Yeah since you could of goten a 250$ card to play crysis instead.

Even if I opted for the "lower end" video card, rather then going higher end to play it properly,

The low end card is still worth about five years worth of live.

Yeah HD3870 & 8800GT are so lower end in crysis.

And please don't walk in the money argument about live costing less then upgrades... makes no sens, there is way more cost arguments if u wanna go there.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]And you don't have any outside responsibilities that go along with being in that clan? You just tossed a {zomg my clan name} in front of your name and now you have a free server? I highly doubt that. Your level of commitment that is required for getting a free server is what the rest of us consider a payment.Vandalvideo

I know how clans work. For you to sit there and just say "That's all I have to do." is a lie and you know it. You have time commitments you need to make as well as out-of-game commitments.

Just because the end user isn't directly coughing up dollars does not mean they don't pay. Being required to show up at a certain time for "events" is a payment. Your sponsors expect you to fulfill your end of the agreement just as much as you expect them to provide a free server. You fail to do that, you loose the server.

Out of Curiosity, how do you get into these tornament-clan circles, the very good ones? I've never actuall attempted it before, may give it a shot, got ALOt of free time in the next 8 months before Univisity ... even then it should be a problem :P

Since when do I have to pay to download a demo?nyoroism

In the mind of an elitist hermit you DO have to pay :)

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

My 1 favourite TF2 server lately has a misleading 23/24 players, then when you try to join "slot reserved" if thats what you mean? and this is the only occasion ofr that aswell.

Its not free loading, its free of us users, end of story. they WANT us on thier servers.

VoodooHak

Freeloading... charity.... 6 in one, half a dozen in the other. Same thing.

Fact remains... someone is paying for it. So no, it's not free for all users.

Well when I play bf2 and I go on a EA server... it's pretty much free.

Out of Curiosity, how do you get into these tornament-clan circles, the very good ones? I've never actuall attempted it before, may give it a shot, got ALOt of free time in the next 8 months before Univisity ... even then it should be a problem :PMeu2k7

Since when do I have to pay to download a demo?nyoroism

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

My 1 favourite TF2 server lately has a misleading 23/24 players, then when you try to join "slot reserved" if thats what you mean? and this is the only occasion ofr that aswell.

Its not free loading, its free of us users, end of story. they WANT us on thier servers.

VoodooHak

Freeloading... charity.... 6 in one, half a dozen in the other. Same thing.

Fact remains... someone is paying for it. So no, it's not free for all users.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

My 1 favourite TF2 server lately has a misleading 23/24 players, then when you try to join "slot reserved" if thats what you mean? and this is the only occasion ofr that aswell.

Its not free loading, its free of us users, end of story. they WANT us on thier servers.

Vandalvideo

Freeloading... charity.... 6 in one, half a dozen in the other. Same thing.

Fact remains... someone is paying for it. So no, it's not free for all users.

No, it's not end of story if you need to caveat your statement with "the average user". If you can say it's free for every single PC user, then fine. Otherwise... someone's paying.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

I know how clans work. For you to sit there and just say "That's all I have to do." is a lie and you know it. You have time commitments you need to make as well as out-of-game commitments.

Just because the end user isn't directly coughing up dollars does not mean they don't pay. Being required to show up at a certain time for "events" is a payment. Your sponsors expect you to fulfill your end of the agreement just as much as you expect them to provide a free server. You fail to do that, you loose the server.

Vandalvideo

Competing in a tournament would be considered the cost for most gamers. Your "winnings" are a free server. If you guys kept loosing your server would suddenly disappear.

And some how because YOU are in a high ranked COD4 clan and are being sponsored with a free server, that somehow makes PC gaming free? Still laughable. It's easy to figure that not everyone can be in a top ranked clan....

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]Out of Curiosity, how do you get into these tornament-clan circles, the very good ones? I've never actuall attempted it before, may give it a shot, got ALOt of free time in the next 8 months before Univisity ... even then it should be a problem :PVandalvideo

Ah right I see, I havnt commited to a game other than WoW for about 5 years now, cant seem to settle into one, well heh I play TF2 alot but I cant imagine that having a competitive side to the same degree has the Call of Duties/CS ect :P

Battlefield 3 may change that though.

No, it's not end of story if you need to caveat your statement with "the average user". If you can say it's free for every single PC user, then fine. Otherwise... someone's paying. VoodooHak

Competing in a tournament would be considered the cost for most gamers. Your "winnings" are a free server. If you guys kept loosing your server would suddenly disappear. And some how because YOU are in a high ranked COD4 server and are being sponsored with a free server, that somehow makes PC gaming free? Still laughable. It's easy to figure that not everyone can be in a top ranked clan....Bgrngod

[QUOTE="RoboThreat"]I love having XBL, to me its amazing something other consoles dont offer. PC gaming online for me is not really fun.PSTriple4life

Thats cuz u haven't played any PC games.

How can you say console online is better when PC offers

Dedicated Servers 50+ players Online

Free Online

Mod

Custom Maps

You've got to be crazy to think consoles have better online

I have played many PC games. You can assume all you want.

Ok, good for what PC Offers. But next time please read what i write next time carefully. Just because you dont agree with my OPINION doesnt give you the right to assume things about me. Please get past your fanboy ways.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

My 1 favourite TF2 server lately has a misleading 23/24 players, then when you try to join "slot reserved" if thats what you mean? and this is the only occasion ofr that aswell.

Its not free loading, its free of us users, end of story. they WANT us on thier servers.

anshul89

Freeloading... charity.... 6 in one, half a dozen in the other. Same thing.

Fact remains... someone is paying for it. So no, it's not free for all users.

Diddley squat? You mean like:

• Community settings (gamer zone, rep, prefer/avoid, feedack)
• Feedback that's actively monitored by an international team that has members play in games to police the system
• 2 levels of matchmaking
  • preference-based with the community settings above
  • skill-based sing MS's TrueSkill system
• Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles
• Personnel dedicated to the Xbox Live community
• Community Calendar events like Ladies Night, Prime Time, Family Game nights, Play with devs and Game with Fame
• MVP, Ambasador and Community developer programs

That's hardly diddley squat.

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

My 1 favourite TF2 server lately has a misleading 23/24 players, then when you try to join "slot reserved" if thats what you mean? and this is the only occasion ofr that aswell.

Its not free loading, its free of us users, end of story. they WANT us on thier servers.

VoodooHak

Freeloading... charity.... 6 in one, half a dozen in the other. Same thing.

Fact remains... someone is paying for it. So no, it's not free for all users.

Diddley squat? You mean like:

• Community settings (gamer zone, rep, prefer/avoid, feedack)
• Feedback that's actively monitored by an international team that has members play in games to police the system
• 2 levels of matchmaking
  • preference-based with the community settings above
  • skill-based sing MS's TrueSkill system
• Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles
• Personnel dedicated to the Xbox Live community
• Community Calendar events like Ladies Night, Prime Time, Family Game nights, Play with devs and Game with Fame
• MVP, Ambasador and Community developer programs

That's hardly diddley squat.

Xbox Live is just like any other subscription service. First you only pay $50 a YEAR which is pocket change a month for most people. People get all up in arms about having to pay every year for Xbox Live when some of those same people will happily pay $15 a month to pay their favorite MMO. The statement about downloading XBL content is also completely incorrect. If you have a silver account you only have to wait to download new content. You are not in any way restricted from downloading anything. This is not unlike other download websites where actual subcribers are able to have access to exclusive downloads or are able to access new content before the public masses which keeps downloading content stable and fast. Some people also seem to forget that XBL is also a cohesive enviroment that is apart of EVERY game you play. I could be playing Guitar Hero 3 and have a chat at the same time with some on COD4 where in a PC enviroment this would not happen unless Xfire and Steam was apart of both games. I don't know why there are so many XBL haters, perhaps they feel threatened in some way, but nevertheless XBL is far from being a joke. ChevelleFan

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

My 1 favourite TF2 server lately has a misleading 23/24 players, then when you try to join "slot reserved" if thats what you mean? and this is the only occasion ofr that aswell.

Its not free loading, its free of us users, end of story. they WANT us on thier servers.

VoodooHak

Freeloading... charity.... 6 in one, half a dozen in the other. Same thing.

Fact remains... someone is paying for it. So no, it's not free for all users.

Diddley squat? You mean like:

• Community settings (gamer zone, rep, prefer/avoid, feedack)
• Feedback that's actively monitored by an international team that has members play in games to police the system
• 2 levels of matchmaking
  • preference-based with the community settings above
  • skill-based sing MS's TrueSkill system
• Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles
• Personnel dedicated to the Xbox Live community
• Community Calendar events like Ladies Night, Prime Time, Family Game nights, Play with devs and Game with Fame
• MVP, Ambasador and Community developer programs

That's hardly diddley squat.

Most of those points are just blowing gas............ elaborate on them, they seem like nothing but PR nonsense. Matchmaking is nothing to dedicated server lobbys, you match make perfectly by yourself, then FAVOURITE it .... no more matchmaking ever, unless you feel like jumping around testing other servers.....

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

My 1 favourite TF2 server lately has a misleading 23/24 players, then when you try to join "slot reserved" if thats what you mean? and this is the only occasion ofr that aswell.

Its not free loading, its free of us users, end of story. they WANT us on thier servers.

anshul89

Freeloading... charity.... 6 in one, half a dozen in the other. Same thing.

Fact remains... someone is paying for it. So no, it's not free for all users.

Diddley squat? You mean like:

• Community settings (gamer zone, rep, prefer/avoid, feedack)
• Feedback that's actively monitored by an international team that has members play in games to police the system
• 2 levels of matchmaking
  • preference-based with the community settings above
  • skill-based sing MS's TrueSkill system
• Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles
• Personnel dedicated to the Xbox Live community
• Community Calendar events like Ladies Night, Prime Time, Family Game nights, Play with devs and Game with Fame
• MVP, Ambasador and Community developer programs

That's hardly diddley squat.

agreed

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]Competing in a tournament would be considered the cost for most gamers. Your "winnings" are a free server. If you guys kept loosing your server would suddenly disappear. And some how because YOU are in a high ranked COD4 server and are being sponsored with a free server, that somehow makes PC gaming free? Still laughable. It's easy to figure that not everyone can be in a top ranked clan....Vandalvideo

And let me explain THIS to you. There IS a cost REQUIRED to run a PC game server. Someone is paying that cost. Therefor, PC gaming is NOT free. Regardless of how many times you sit there and try to insist "no one is required to pay a single dime", it is still all wrong. Somebody had to pay for it.

I highly doubt that you are playing on a server that was physically gifted to one of your clanmates that is also running on free electricity and free bandwidth.

Your choice to not help cover that costs does not make PC gaming free.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Bgrngod"]Competing in a tournament would be considered the cost for most gamers. Your "winnings" are a free server. If you guys kept loosing your server would suddenly disappear. And some how because YOU are in a high ranked COD4 server and are being sponsored with a free server, that somehow makes PC gaming free? Still laughable. It's easy to figure that not everyone can be in a top ranked clan....Bgrngod

And let me explain THIS to you. There IS a cost REQUIRED to run a PC game server. Someone is paying that cost. Therefor, PC gaming is NOT free. Regardless of how many times you sit there and try to insist "no one is required to pay a single dime", it is still all wrong. Somebody had to pay for it.

I highly doubt that you are playing on a server that was physically gifted to one of your clanmates that is also running on free electricity and free bandwidth.

Your choice to not help cover that costs does not make PC gaming free.

Companies release dedicated server programs which you can use, therefore it is free

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

My 1 favourite TF2 server lately has a misleading 23/24 players, then when you try to join "slot reserved" if thats what you mean? and this is the only occasion ofr that aswell.

Its not free loading, its free of us users, end of story. they WANT us on thier servers.

anshul89

Freeloading... charity.... 6 in one, half a dozen in the other. Same thing.

Fact remains... someone is paying for it. So no, it's not free for all users.

Diddley squat? You mean like:

• Community settings (gamer zone, rep, prefer/avoid, feedack)
• Feedback that's actively monitored by an international team that has members play in games to police the system
• 2 levels of matchmaking
  • preference-based with the community settings above
  • skill-based sing MS's TrueSkill system
• Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles
• Personnel dedicated to the Xbox Live community
• Community Calendar events like Ladies Night, Prime Time, Family Game nights, Play with devs and Game with Fame
• MVP, Ambasador and Community developer programs

That's hardly diddley squat.

You didn't read all of it, if any of it at all. If you did, you'd realize that PC... by nature of the very platform is NOT a closed, secure network. So the use of the phrase you conveniently vomitted out, "all of that", doesn't apply. If you read it, you'd realize that XBL's community settings don't exist uniformally throughout all of PC gaming. Nor does it have a set of representatives to speak for or organize the whole platform.

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

My 1 favourite TF2 server lately has a misleading 23/24 players, then when you try to join "slot reserved" if thats what you mean? and this is the only occasion ofr that aswell.

Its not free loading, its free of us users, end of story. they WANT us on thier servers.

VoodooHak

Freeloading... charity.... 6 in one, half a dozen in the other. Same thing.

Fact remains... someone is paying for it. So no, it's not free for all users.

Diddley squat? You mean like:

• Community settings (gamer zone, rep, prefer/avoid, feedack)
• Feedback that's actively monitored by an international team that has members play in games to police the system
• 2 levels of matchmaking
  • preference-based with the community settings above
  • skill-based sing MS's TrueSkill system
• Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles
• Personnel dedicated to the Xbox Live community
• Community Calendar events like Ladies Night, Prime Time, Family Game nights, Play with devs and Game with Fame
• MVP, Ambasador and Community developer programs

That's hardly diddley squat.

You didn't read all of it, if any of it at all. If you did, you'd realize that PC... by nature of the very platform is NOT a closed, secure network. So the use of the phrase you conveniently vomitted out, "all of that", doesn't apply. If you read it, you'd realize that XBL's community settings don't exist uniformally throughout all of PC gaming. Nor does it have a set of representatives to speak for or organize the whole platform.

Steamworks= 1 newtwork

you fail

And let me explain THIS to you. There IS a cost REQUIRED to run a PC game server. Someone is paying that cost. Therefor, PC gaming is NOT free. Regardless of how many times you sit there and try to insist "no one is required to pay a single dime", it is still all wrong. Somebody had to pay for it. I highly doubt that you are playing on a server that was physically gifted to one of your clanmates that is also running on free electricity and free bandwidth.Your choice to not help cover that costs does not make PC gaming free.Bgrngod

[QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]Xbox Live is just like any other subscription service. First you only pay $50 a YEAR which is pocket change a month for most people. People get all up in arms about having to pay every year for Xbox Live when some of those same people will happily pay $15 a month to pay their favorite MMO. The statement about downloading XBL content is also completely incorrect. If you have a silver account you only have to wait to download new content. You are not in any way restricted from downloading anything. This is not unlike other download websites where actual subcribers are able to have access to exclusive downloads or are able to access new content before the public masses which keeps downloading content stable and fast. Some people also seem to forget that XBL is also a cohesive enviroment that is apart of EVERY game you play. I could be playing Guitar Hero 3 and have a chat at the same time with some on COD4 where in a PC enviroment this would not happen unless Xfire and Steam was apart of both games. I don't know why there are so many XBL haters, perhaps they feel threatened in some way, but nevertheless XBL is far from being a joke. Vandalvideo

I was only comparing price points although it is not like XBL does not have to maintained. In fact there regularly scheduled maintenance and updates. It is fine if uniformity is not a big deal for you but the fact that XBL is extremely user friendly still remains a plus.

and where is a link to these "companies" with Deticated Server Programs?RoboThreat

Steam has a program called

SOURCE DEDICATED SERVER, Look it up

Most of those points are just blowing gas............ elaborate on them, they seem like nothing but PR nonsense. Matchmaking is nothing to dedicated server lobbys, you match make perfectly by yourself, then FAVOURITE it .... no more matchmaking ever, unless you feel like jumping around testing other servers.....

Meu2k7

Ask me more specific questions and I'll elaborate where I can.

Matchmaking is great on XBL. Once I set my gamerzone and prefer-avoid status, I'm rarely placed in a session with people I don't like. TrueSkill matchmaking is a little more nebulous but if it works like any other type of forecasting or ranking algorithms, if I play a single game enough, I should be set in a session with people of like skill.

Not even a second thought.

I was only comparing price points although it is not like XBL does not have to maintained. In fact there regularly scheduled maintenance and updates. It is fine if uniformity is not a big deal for you but the fact that XBL is extremely user friendly still remains a plus.ChevelleFan

Steamworks= 1 newtwork

you fail

PSTriple4life

So ... everyone uses steamworks? Answer: No.

I fail? Says the guy that paid for his XBL demos.