Xbox Live a joke compared to PC Online or Xfire and Steam

[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]I think it would be safe to say that more people who buy an XBOX will go onto XBOX Live than people who buy a PC would get XFire or Steam.'Cause, you know, you gotta count all of those people who aren't buying PCs for gaming. And I'm talking in a percentage perspective.Vandalvideo

Christ, it's like having some friends on Windows Messenger, some on AIM and some on YIM. Unnecessarily complicated.

[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to namePSTriple4life

very wrong

Also unlike you console players PC gamers don't jump ship to another game when a new one comes out.

Console players will play COD4 and Halo 3 till Gears 2 comes out and forge abotu COD and Halo.

So what other genres besides strategy, MMO, shooters do PC-gamers play?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]I think it would be safe to say that more people who buy an XBOX will go onto XBOX Live than people who buy a PC would get XFire or Steam.'Cause, you know, you gotta count all of those people who aren't buying PCs for gaming. And I'm talking in a percentage perspective.nyoroism

Christ, it's like having some friends on Windows Messenger, some on AIM and some on YIM. Unnecessarily complicated.

Complicated? Hows doing 1 or 2 more clicks to see other friends complicated? I see why you play consoles now

[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to namePSTriple4life

very wrong

Also unlike you console players PC gamers don't jump ship to another game when a new one comes out.

Oh, ok. So instead of having everyone in one place I get to have several programs so I can tell which friends are on what.nyoroism

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to namenyoroism

very wrong

Also unlike you console players PC gamers don't jump ship to another game when a new one comes out.

No, PC games have longer replayibilty because of mods, custom maps ect. So yea you fail

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]I think it would be safe to say that more people who buy an XBOX will go onto XBOX Live than people who buy a PC would get XFire or Steam.'Cause, you know, you gotta count all of those people who aren't buying PCs for gaming. And I'm talking in a percentage perspective.PSTriple4life

Versatility is great. At the same time, variety can be a doubleedged sword. Many times, varied easily becomes random and unorganized.

People like a more guided experience as I mentioned in a previous post. What's wrong with that?

I doubt you have even played PC and your calling it unorganized...WOW

Dude, I cut my online teeth on MUDs and worked my way through CS, EQ, UO, Rogue Spear. And yes, it can very easily become unorganized unless the people you play with have their stuff together.

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to namenyoroism

very wrong

Also unlike you console players PC gamers don't jump ship to another game when a new one comes out.

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]I don't know why you have to respond with childish sarcasm, but all of my points are completely valid. I can't start up my PC right now and have my friends list right in front of me with latest news on games and tournaments and I can't access tons of downloadable content on the same page either. The point is that with XBL you are not paying just to play games. I don't have to download steam client (which is a system hog BTW) to create a friends list. Sure PC gaming has its pros but I don't see how XBL is joke since it is arguably one of the best online services available. ChevelleFan

Why so hostile? Really this thread is just full of stupid fanboys. Yeah sure I'd rather not pay for XBL but I have no problem with it. I don't know why you think that the PC has to be superior to consoles in every way. All I am saying is that claiming XBL is a joke is completely false and you just won't accept other peoples opinions. Why post in a thread where the only people who can be right is yourself and the people who think like you? I didn't even intend to get in this argument with you. From my perspective I never bashed the PC and I brought up valid points yet you act like 7 year old who has to be right aout everything. Xfire may come with most new games but XBL is guaranteed for all 360 games. I would say there is nothing wrong with PC online, but apparently paying for benefits and convienence which you think is free on the PC makes you above everyone else.

The only games people play on Xbox are COD4,Halo 3, and GOW so....yea x_x

Thats a huge generalization and BTW what exactly do PC gamers play online?

I think a bigger question is what pc gamers DON'T play online.. There are online communities that have been around for 10 years and still kicking.

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to nameJLF1

very wrong

Also unlike you console players PC gamers don't jump ship to another game when a new one comes out.

Console players will play COD4 and Halo 3 till Gears 2 comes out and forge abotu COD and Halo.

So what other genres besides strategy, MMO, shooters do PC-gamers play?

RTS,TBS, FPS, FPS/RTS, FPS/RPG, Sports, Sport Sims, Arcade Racers, Sim Racers, MMO's, RPG's, Sims.

Way too many people quoting me.

1) Maybe you do things different from me, but I don't have 100+ friends. I like to keep it below 10 when it comes to people I only know over the internet. I don't just randomly add people I don't know, so therefore I like to keep everyone I know on one list.

2)The "because you can't" thing was a joke. (hurr hurr PC games are few and far between!!) I wasn't being serious.

Keep in mind that I play PC games more frequently and for longer periods of time than I do console games. Though mostly they're just free-to-play games.

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]Oh, ok. So instead of having everyone in one place I get to have several programs so I can tell which friends are on what.Vandalvideo

How old are you really?

Are you seriously telling him that you rather have your friendlists in 2-3 programs instead of 1 because you have to many friends?

Way too many people quoting me.

1) Maybe you do things different from me, but I don't have 100+ friends. I like to keep it below 10 when it comes to people I only know over the internet. I don't just randomly add people I don't know, so therefore I like to keep everyone I know on one list.

2)The "because you can't" thing was a joke. (hurr hurr PC games are few and far between!!) I wasn't being serious.

Keep in mind that I play PC games more frequently and for longer periods of time than I do console games. Though mostly they're just free-to-play games.

nyoroism

He finally accepted ownage :)

1) Maybe you do things different from me, but I don't have 100+ friends. I like to keep it below 10 when it comes to people I only know over the internet. I don't just randomly add people I don't know, so therefore I like to keep everyone I know on one list.nyoroism

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]Oh, ok. So instead of having everyone in one place I get to have several programs so I can tell which friends are on what.JLF1

How old are you really?

Are you seriously telling him that you rather have your friendlists in 2-3 programs instead of 1 because you have to many friends?

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to nametramp

very wrong

Also unlike you console players PC gamers don't jump ship to another game when a new one comes out.

Console players will play COD4 and Halo 3 till Gears 2 comes out and forge abotu COD and Halo.

So what other genres besides strategy, MMO, shooters do PC-gamers play?

RTS,TBS, FPS, FPS/RTS, FPS/RPG, Sports, Sport Sims, Arcade Racers, Sim Racers, MMO's, RPG's, Sims.

And you don't think console players play that many genres online?

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]

Way too many people quoting me.

1) Maybe you do things different from me, but I don't have 100+ friends. I like to keep it below 10 when it comes to people I only know over the internet. I don't just randomly add people I don't know, so therefore I like to keep everyone I know on one list.

2)The "because you can't" thing was a joke. (hurr hurr PC games are few and far between!!) I wasn't being serious.

Keep in mind that I play PC games more frequently and for longer periods of time than I do console games. Though mostly they're just free-to-play games.

PSTriple4life

He finally accepted ownage :)

Only advantage they have over Live is that they have servers and are free.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]Oh, ok. So instead of having everyone in one place I get to have several programs so I can tell which friends are on what.Vandalvideo

How old are you really?

Are you seriously telling him that you rather have your friendlists in 2-3 programs instead of 1 because you have to many friends?

I'm playing... let's say... DOA4 online. I meet this person online that I like. "Hey man add me to your friend's list we can play again sometime". That's that.

Now let's say I'm playing... Counter-Strike and I meet this person online that I like. "Hey man add me to Xfire we can play again sometime".

"Oh, I don't have XFire".

"Oh, I only have [insert other program here]".

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]Oh, ok. So instead of having everyone in one place I get to have several programs so I can tell which friends are on what.Vandalvideo

How old are you really?

Are you seriously telling him that you rather have your friendlists in 2-3 programs instead of 1 because you have to many friends?

The point is, you can and probably will find PC gamers that don't uses Xfire but you can't find any Xbox 360 gamers online without using XBL.

[QUOTE="tramp"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to nameJLF1

very wrong

Also unlike you console players PC gamers don't jump ship to another game when a new one comes out.

Console players will play COD4 and Halo 3 till Gears 2 comes out and forge abotu COD and Halo.

So what other genres besides strategy, MMO, shooters do PC-gamers play?

RTS,TBS, FPS, FPS/RTS, FPS/RPG, Sports, Sport Sims, Arcade Racers, Sim Racers, MMO's, RPG's, Sims.

And you don't think console players play that many genres online?

No they don't.

Situation:I'm playing... let's say... DOA4 online. I meet this person online that I like. "Hey man add me to your friend's list we can play again sometime". That's that.Now let's say I'm playing... Counter-Strike and I meet this person online that I like. "Hey man add me to Xfire we can play again sometime"."Oh, I don't have XFire"."Oh, I only have [insert other program here]".nyoroism

The point is, you can and probably will find PC gamers that don't uses Xfire but you can't find any Xbox 360 gamers online without using XBL. JLF1

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to namenyoroism

very wrong

Also unlike you console players PC gamers don't jump ship to another game when a new one comes out.

Well, dunno man. I'm currently replaying GTA 3, I'm stucked with Team Fortress 2, trying out CoD 4 multiplayer, replaying Crysis for the third time, this time with some insane graphics mods, new free singleplayer and multiplayer maps (user-created) etc.

And yeah, Steam is shaping-up into a far superiour online service than Xbox Live. I'm not saying that Xbox Live is bad. It's a great, quality service, but Valve proves that you can get the same quality service for free. And to that guy who said that Steam is unstable... you obviously never installed it.

And you don't think console players play that many genres online?

JLF1

No i don't think they do and I'm being generous I could break the genres down alot futher then that.

[QUOTE="tramp"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to nameJLF1

very wrong

Also unlike you console players PC gamers don't jump ship to another game when a new one comes out.

Console players will play COD4 and Halo 3 till Gears 2 comes out and forge abotu COD and Halo.

So what other genres besides strategy, MMO, shooters do PC-gamers play?

RTS,TBS, FPS, FPS/RTS, FPS/RPG, Sports, Sport Sims, Arcade Racers, Sim Racers, MMO's, RPG's, Sims.

And you don't think console players play that many genres online?

Name me a good MMORPG or RTS exclusive for consoles.

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]Situation:I'm playing... let's say... DOA4 online. I meet this person online that I like. "Hey man add me to your friend's list we can play again sometime". That's that.Now let's say I'm playing... Counter-Strike and I meet this person online that I like. "Hey man add me to Xfire we can play again sometime"."Oh, I don't have XFire"."Oh, I only have [insert other program here]".Vandalvideo

What do you think the likelihood of me meeting someone THERE with Xfire is? Or someone with another program?

Name me a good MMORPG or RTS exclusive for consoles.princeofshapeir

PsTriple, I have a question. Why is it you only seem to pick on the 360? After all, aren't you a hardcore Hermit (if so, hide him away fellow PC fans)? Why do you ingore the other consoles?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]Situation:I'm playing... let's say... DOA4 online. I meet this person online that I like. "Hey man add me to your friend's list we can play again sometime". That's that.Now let's say I'm playing... Counter-Strike and I meet this person online that I like. "Hey man add me to Xfire we can play again sometime"."Oh, I don't have XFire"."Oh, I only have [insert other program here]".nyoroism

What do you think the likelihood of me meeting someone THERE with Xfire is? Or someone with another program?

[QUOTE="RoboThreat"]ok great, and i am trying show you the understanding why people choose Online Gaming Service on a console instead of PC Gaming.PSTriple4life

Really?

WOW=10 Million Players which is the same amount of Subscribers as XBL and thats just one game

Steam=13.5 million more than XBL userbase

Xfire=9 million

There are more I could list but thats enough ownage for now :)

Ok. What ownage?

Situation:

I'm playing... let's say... DOA4 online. I meet this person online that I like. "Hey man add me to your friend's list we can play again sometime". That's that.

Now let's say I'm playing... Counter-Strike and I meet this person online that I like. "Hey man add me to Xfire we can play again sometime".

"Oh, I don't have XFire".

"Oh, I only have [insert other program here]".

nyoroism

Chat-wise, the situation actually is like you described it. For example, I only use ICQ, and can't stand other programs like MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger or whatever. But there's actually a solution for that in shape of Trillian, or Pidgin, but then again, most of my friends are on ICQ, and I want to keep it that way.

But gaming wise, there's Xfire, and probably Steam. Xfire is something like Xbox Live on the PC. A standard. But Steam is also getting there pretty strong.

So, there's not much confusion between those programs like you described it.

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]Situation:I'm playing... let's say... DOA4 online. I meet this person online that I like. "Hey man add me to your friend's list we can play again sometime". That's that.Now let's say I'm playing... Counter-Strike and I meet this person online that I like. "Hey man add me to Xfire we can play again sometime"."Oh, I don't have XFire"."Oh, I only have [insert other program here]".Vandalvideo

What do you think the likelihood of me meeting someone THERE with Xfire is? Or someone with another program?

If you play a PC game, not everyone you meet will have Xfire.

If you play a PC game, not everyone you meet will have Xfire.nyoroism

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

And you don't think console players play that many genres online?

tramp

No i don't think they do and I'm being generous I could break the genres down alot futher then that.

Fighting, arcade racers, sim racers, Mech sims, FPS, TPS, RTS, MMo, Puzzle, tactical shooter.

Alright it might not be as many genres but there is a lot more then FPS only games that people claim in this thread.

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]If you play a PC game, not everyone you meet will have Xfire.Vandalvideo

What practical applications?

[QUOTE="tramp"][QUOTE="JLF1"]

And you don't think console players play that many genres online?

JLF1

No i don't think they do and I'm being generous I could break the genres down alot futher then that.

Fighting, arcade racers, sim racers, Mech sims, FPS, TPS, RTS, MMo, Puzzle, tactical shooter.

Alright it might not be as many genres but there is a lot more then FPS only games that people claim in this thread.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]If you play a PC game, not everyone you meet will have Xfire.JLF1

What practical applications?

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="tramp"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to nameprinceofshapeir

very wrong

Also unlike you console players PC gamers don't jump ship to another game when a new one comes out.

Console players will play COD4 and Halo 3 till Gears 2 comes out and forge abotu COD and Halo.

So what other genres besides strategy, MMO, shooters do PC-gamers play?

RTS,TBS, FPS, FPS/RTS, FPS/RPG, Sports, Sport Sims, Arcade Racers, Sim Racers, MMO's, RPG's, Sims.

And you don't think console players play that many genres online?

Name me a good MMORPG or RTS exclusive for consoles.

Pikmin is a great RTS

Can you mention a good PC exclusive Fighting game and Platfom game?

Can you mention a good PC exclusive Fighting game and Platfom game?JLF1

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="tramp"][QUOTE="JLF1"]

And you don't think console players play that many genres online?

Vandalvideo

No i don't think they do and I'm being generous I could break the genres down alot futher then that.

Fighting, arcade racers, sim racers, Mech sims, FPS, TPS, RTS, MMo, Puzzle, tactical shooter.

Alright it might not be as many genres but there is a lot more then FPS only games that people claim in this thread.

First of all I did not say that it had to be the exact same genres second FF XI is AA on both PC and PS2.

First of all I did not say that it had to be the exact same genres second FF XI is AA on both PC and PS2. JLF1

[QUOTE="JLF1"]Can you mention a good PC exclusive Fighting game and Platfom game?Vandalvideo

Act Cadenza is on the PS2.

Oh But if consoles lack variety so does PC.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JLF1"]Can you mention a good PC exclusive Fighting game and Platfom game?JLF1

Act Cadenza is on the PS2.

Oh But if consoles lack variety so does PC.

Ok, so the conclusion is, no system is perfect...

America has been discovered.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]First of all I did not say that it had to be the exact same genres second FF XI is AA on both PC and PS2. Vandalvideo

And mugen is only really game characters mashed in a fighting game and Melty blood is on the PS2

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JLF1"]Can you mention a good PC exclusive Fighting game and Platfom game?JLF1

Act Cadenza is on the PS2.

Oh But if consoles lack variety so does PC.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JLF1"]First of all I did not say that it had to be the exact same genres second FF XI is AA on both PC and PS2. JLF1

And mugen is only really game characters mashed in a fighting game and Melty blood is on the PS2

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JLF1"]Can you mention a good PC exclusive Fighting game and Platfom game?Vandalvideo

Act Cadenza is on the PS2.

Oh But if consoles lack variety so does PC.

I have never said that PC as a platform lacks game variety I only defended the consoles variety.

So if PC has more genres does that make consoles lack variety?

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]Since when do I have to pay to download a demo?PSTriple4life

You can't download a Demo with Silver

Oh my...fail

o if PC has more genres does that make consoles lack variety?JLF1