Xbox Live a joke compared to PC Online or Xfire and Steam

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Most of those points are just blowing gas............ elaborate on them, they seem like nothing but PR nonsense. Matchmaking is nothing to dedicated server lobbys, you match make perfectly by yourself, then FAVOURITE it .... no more matchmaking ever, unless you feel like jumping around testing other servers.....

VoodooHak

Ask me more specific questions and I'll elaborate where I can.

Matchmaking is great on XBL. Once I set my gamerzone and prefer-avoid status, I'm rarely placed in a session with people I don't like. TrueSkill matchmaking is a little more nebulous but if it works like any other type of forecasting or ranking algorithms, if I play a single game enough, I should be set in a session with people of like skill.

Not even a second thought.

Steamworks, matchmaking in every game that use it and CSS and TF2 will be getting Matchmaking. Dedicated Servers+Matchmaking for free=WIN.

Steam Works=open network and Valve is giving this to dev's they want it to be 1 Network that the PC uses not the Windows Live crap but Steamworks

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

Steamworks= 1 newtwork

you fail

VoodooHak

So ... everyone uses steamworks? Answer: No.

Steamworks isnt even out yet, so actually know what your talking about before you make a comment like that

Ok to the people that complain about XBL and that you have to pay for it... well the reason why people pay is cause its a great service.. just like some people Gamespot for total access ($33.94 a year)... hey they could egt all there info other places for free... but why do they pay? because its a quality service.RoboThreat

And PC isn't quality because its free? What kind of logic is that

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

Steamworks= 1 newtwork

you fail

PSTriple4life

So ... everyone uses steamworks? Answer: No.

Steamworks isnt even out yet, so actually know what your talking about before you make a comment like that

Whether it's out our not is irrelevent. Will everyone use steamworks? By the very nature of the platform. Answer remains: No.

If anyone need to know what he's talking about before commenting, it's you... Mr. You-have-to-pay-for-XBL-demos

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

Steamworks= 1 newtwork

you fail

PSTriple4life

So ... everyone uses steamworks? Answer: No.

Steamworks isnt even out yet, so actually know what your talking about before you make a comment like that

What kind of service makes you pay to change your name or even download a Demo!!!!

PSTriple4life

[QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]I was only comparing price points although it is not like XBL does not have to maintained. In fact there regularly scheduled maintenance and updates. It is fine if uniformity is not a big deal for you but the fact that XBL is extremely user friendly still remains a plus.Vandalvideo

I don't know why you have to respond with childish sarcasm, but all of my points are completely valid. I can't start up my PC right now and have my friends list right in front of me with latest news on games and tournaments and I can't access tons of downloadable content on the same page either. The point is that with XBL you are not paying just to play games. I don't have to download steam client (which is a system hog BTW) to create a friends list. Sure PC gaming has its pros but I don't see how XBL is joke since it is arguably one of the best online services available.

[QUOTE="RoboThreat"]Ok to the people that complain about XBL and that you have to pay for it... well the reason why people pay is cause its a great service.. just like some people Gamespot for total access ($33.94 a year)... hey they could egt all there info other places for free... but why do they pay? because its a quality service.PSTriple4life

And PC isn't quality because its free? What kind of logic is that

i am talking about services, not machines.

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

Steamworks= 1 newtwork

you fail

VoodooHak

So ... everyone uses steamworks? Answer: No.

Steamworks isnt even out yet, so actually know what your talking about before you make a comment like that

Whether it's out our not is irrelevent. Will everyone use steamworks? By the very nature of the platform. Answer remains: No.

If anyone need to know what he's talking about before commenting, it's you... Mr. You-have-to-pay-for-XBL-demos

Yes, because it brings an end to piracy and valve and digital distrubtion is the future Steam has everything dev's want and need. so yea eventually Steamworks will take over PC

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

[QUOTE="RoboThreat"]Ok to the people that complain about XBL and that you have to pay for it... well the reason why people pay is cause its a great service.. just like some people Gamespot for total access ($33.94 a year)... hey they could egt all there info other places for free... but why do they pay? because its a quality service.RoboThreat

And PC isn't quality because its free? What kind of logic is that

i am talking about services, not machines.

im talking about PC gaming online

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]I was only comparing price points although it is not like XBL does not have to maintained. In fact there regularly scheduled maintenance and updates. It is fine if uniformity is not a big deal for you but the fact that XBL is extremely user friendly still remains a plus.ChevelleFan

I don't know why you have to respond with childish sarcasm, but all of my points are completely valid. I can't start up my PC right now and have my friends list right in front of me with latest news on games and tournaments and I can't access tons of downloadable content on the same page either. The point is that with XBL you are not paying just to play games. I don't have to download steam client (which is a system hog BTW) to create a friends list. Sure PC gaming has its pros but I don't see how XBL is joke since it is arguably one of the best online services available.

yea, on a Console where the standards are lower

I don't know why you have to respond with childish sarcasm, but all of my points are completely valid. I can't start up my PC right now and have my friends list right in front of me with latest news on games and tournaments and I can't access tons of downloadable content on the same page either. The point is that with XBL you are not paying just to play games. I don't have to download steam client (which is a system hog BTW) to create a friends list. Sure PC gaming has its pros but I don't see how XBL is joke since it is arguably one of the best online services available. ChevelleFan

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

Steamworks= 1 newtwork

you fail

PSTriple4life

So ... everyone uses steamworks? Answer: No.

Steamworks isnt even out yet, so actually know what your talking about before you make a comment like that

Whether it's out our not is irrelevent. Will everyone use steamworks? By the very nature of the platform. Answer remains: No.

If anyone need to know what he's talking about before commenting, it's you... Mr. You-have-to-pay-for-XBL-demos

Yes, because it brings an end to piracy and valve and digital distrubtion is the future Steam has everything dev's want and need. so yea eventually Steamworks will take over PC

Call me when Steam is used by 100% of the PC users out there. Until then, it's a pipe dream. If it happens, it won't be for at least a couple years.

ok great, and i am trying show you the understanding why people choose Online Gaming Service on a console instead of PC Gaming.RoboThreat

Really?

WOW=10 Million Players which is the same amount of Subscribers as XBL and thats just one game

Steam=13.5 million more than XBL userbase

Xfire=9 million

There are more I could list but thats enough ownage for now :)

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

Steamworks= 1 newtwork

you fail

VoodooHak

So ... everyone uses steamworks? Answer: No.

Steamworks isnt even out yet, so actually know what your talking about before you make a comment like that

Whether it's out our not is irrelevent. Will everyone use steamworks? By the very nature of the platform. Answer remains: No.

If anyone need to know what he's talking about before commenting, it's you... Mr. You-have-to-pay-for-XBL-demos

Yes, because it brings an end to piracy and valve and digital distrubtion is the future Steam has everything dev's want and need. so yea eventually Steamworks will take over PC

Call me when Steam is used by 100% of the PC users out there. Until then, it's a pipe dream. If it happens, it won't be for at least a couple years.

On PC there is actually variety there are more options to choose from, while you stick to the sub-par LIVE service

Call me when Steam is used by 100% of the PC users out there. Until then, it's a pipe dream. If it happens, it won't be for at least a couple years.VoodooHak

[QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]I don't know why you have to respond with childish sarcasm, but all of my points are completely valid. I can't start up my PC right now and have my friends list right in front of me with latest news on games and tournaments and I can't access tons of downloadable content on the same page either. The point is that with XBL you are not paying just to play games. I don't have to download steam client (which is a system hog BTW) to create a friends list. Sure PC gaming has its pros but I don't see how XBL is joke since it is arguably one of the best online services available. Vandalvideo

Why so hostile? Really this thread is just full of stupid fanboys. Yeah sure I'd rather not pay for XBL but I have no problem with it. I don't know why you think that the PC has to be superior to consoles in every way. All I am saying is that claiming XBL is a joke is completely false and you just won't accept other peoples opinions. Why post in a thread where the only people who can be right is yourself and the people who think like you? I didn't even intend to get in this argument with you. From my perspective I never bashed the PC and I brought up valid points yet you act like 7 year old who has to be right aout everything. Xfire may come with most new games but XBL is guaranteed for all 360 games. I would say there is nothing wrong with PC online, but apparently paying for benefits and convienence which you think is free on the PC makes you above everyone else.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]Call me when Steam is used by 100% of the PC users out there. Until then, it's a pipe dream. If it happens, it won't be for at least a couple years.Vandalvideo

We are owning them pretty hard

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]I don't know why you have to respond with childish sarcasm, but all of my points are completely valid. I can't start up my PC right now and have my friends list right in front of me with latest news on games and tournaments and I can't access tons of downloadable content on the same page either. The point is that with XBL you are not paying just to play games. I don't have to download steam client (which is a system hog BTW) to create a friends list. Sure PC gaming has its pros but I don't see how XBL is joke since it is arguably one of the best online services available. ChevelleFan

Why so hostile? Really this thread is just full of stupid fanboys. Yeah sure I'd rather not pay for XBL but I have no problem with it. I don't know why you think that the PC has to be superior to consoles in every way. All I am saying is that claiming XBL is a joke is completely false and you just won't accept other peoples opinions. Why post in a thread where the only people who can be right is yourself and the people who think like you? I didn't even intend to get in this argument with you. From my perspective I never bashed the PC and I brought up valid points yet you act like 7 year old who has to be right aout everything. Xfire may come with most new games but XBL is guaranteed for all 360 games. I would say there is nothing wrong with PC online, but apparently paying for benefits and convienence which you think is free on the PC makes you above everyone else.

The only games people play on Xbox are COD4,Halo 3, and GOW so....yea x_x

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]Call me when Steam is used by 100% of the PC users out there. Until then, it's a pipe dream. If it happens, it won't be for at least a couple years.Vandalvideo

XBL is still the platform standard. Anomolous hacks like Xbox Connect or no. XBL is much closer to 100% than PC ever will be.

Why so hostile? Really this thread is just full of stupid fanboys. Yeah sure I'd rather not pay for XBL but I have no problem with it. I don't know why you think that the PC has to be superior to consoles in every way. All I am saying is that claiming XBL is a joke is completely false and you just won't accept other peoples opinions. Why post in a thread where the only people who can be right is yourself and the people who think like you? I didn't even intend to get in this argument with you. From my perspective I never bashed the PC and I brought up valid points yet you act like 7 year old who has to be right aout everything. Xfire may come with most new games but XBL is guaranteed for all 360 games. I would say there is nothing wrong with PC online, but apparently paying for benefits and convienence which you think is free on the PC makes you above everyone else.ChevelleFan

I bought a few months over the christmas break as i had time off and wanted to try a few of my new games online. Ive been Involved in online gaming since the original quake, and have tried most console's online features (excluding ps2).

Setting up XBL was Very easy and fast, just gave it a credit card number, made a new profile, and i was online in about 2 minutes, so very easy to use. looked around the marketplace for new videos, maybe some of these tv shows/movies i'd heard about i could download, but nothing. apparently, because i live in Australia and not the U.S. all i could download was A robbie williams concert. I thought it was a bug, but it turned out to be region specific content, which was extremely disappointing.

Ok, next stop the arcade! Some really good stuff, i bought golden axe and double dragon for just under $10 apiece, both really great, the games look great and the online works well in a coop game, was very happy with the arcade in general.

Next, HALO3! After playing the campaign on legendary twice, (hey i like a decent singleplayer), i was eager for some slayer shenanigans. This is how i was introduced to the way that XBL set up my games, you set filters for what you want in terms of gameplay, ie DM/ TDM and general size/game rules, and the game then dumps you with 11 or so people of seemingly random nationalities. I then pressed A and the game began. So extremely easy to get into a game and get playing, much like you would start a singleplayer game. but there seemed to be no way to get server information, or choose my own based off a list of compatible games, XBL would just pick for me, but then i noticed something else, my latency swung between two extremes, A latency/ping that i would ballpark at 400ms, or seeming LAN speed and everyone else quitting due to "lag"

So.. it would either dump me in an eastern europe server (when asia or even the US would be better), or HOST ON MY XBOX, for the poor unknowning denizens of the rest of the world, i had the same experiences with COD4 and GRAW. So a pretty average experience doing what-it-says-on-the-tin.

Coming from the PCgaming world of ISP dedicated servers, this was ridiculous. Its extremely easy to get into a game, but the experience suffers as a result. As per the original poster, compared to PC online ie Steam, XBL is a joke, where are the hundreds of FPS servers running 120+ people on dedicated servers? CS:S? DOD:S? TF2 24player? .

So all up, GREAT arcade, but anyone who thinks that XBL is as good as it can get, really has not seen online gaming on the PC in the past few years and what it has evolved to.

*but i do recommended getting golden axe, best damn thing about it*

The only games people play on Xbox are COD4,Halo 3, and GOW so....yea x_x

PSTriple4life

To be honest here and let's cut the BS, online console gaming is nowhere near as versatile as online PC Gaming, especially Sony and Nintendo's solution, XBL's environment is far too closed and should come free, especially since we are using our bandwidth the hosts games. MS knows the average customer is unaware and gets away with it.

Doesn't mean consoles aren't getting better at mimicking PC features as they always do every generation, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Between STEAM, Xfire, Vent, and TS...enough said. This is fairly obvious to any multiplatform gamer. With STEAM now providing FREE development tools and modules through their STEAMWORKS program to any Developer, that service is only going to get larger and better. This is certainly a nail in the coffin for MS and their GFW Live program for sure.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]Call me when Steam is used by 100% of the PC users out there. Until then, it's a pipe dream. If it happens, it won't be for at least a couple years.VoodooHak

XBL is still the platform standard. Anomolous hacks like Xbox Connect or no. XBL is much closer to 100% than PC ever will be.

[QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]I was only comparing price points although it is not like XBL does not have to maintained. In fact there regularly scheduled maintenance and updates. It is fine if uniformity is not a big deal for you but the fact that XBL is extremely user friendly still remains a plus.PSTriple4life

I don't know why you have to respond with childish sarcasm, but all of my points are completely valid. I can't start up my PC right now and have my friends list right in front of me with latest news on games and tournaments and I can't access tons of downloadable content on the same page either. The point is that with XBL you are not paying just to play games. I don't have to download steam client (which is a system hog BTW) to create a friends list. Sure PC gaming has its pros but I don't see how XBL is joke since it is arguably one of the best online services available.

yea, on a Console where the standards are lower

I am also a PC gamer you ignorant prick.

The only games people play on Xbox are COD4,Halo 3, and GOW so....yea x_x

PSTriple4life

You have to stop speaking in absolute terms:

http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2008/01/29/live-activity-for-week-of-1-21.aspx

It just makes you look foolish

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]Call me when Steam is used by 100% of the PC users out there. Until then, it's a pipe dream. If it happens, it won't be for at least a couple years.Vandalvideo

XBL is still the platform standard. Anomolous hacks like Xbox Connect or no. XBL is much closer to 100% than PC ever will be.

'Cause, you know, you gotta count all of those people who aren't buying PCs for gaming. And I'm talking in a percentage perspective.

What kind of service makes you pay to change your name or even download a Demo!!!!

Ha what a joke, sucks to be a lemming. I mean having to pay for maps, p2p, ect

PSTriple4life

you don't pay for download...

you have to pay to change your name in wow...

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]Since when do I have to pay to download a demo?PSTriple4life

You can't download a Demo with Silver

guess what? you can

[QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]I don't know why you have to respond with childish sarcasm, but all of my points are completely valid. I can't start up my PC right now and have my friends list right in front of me with latest news on games and tournaments and I can't access tons of downloadable content on the same page either. The point is that with XBL you are not paying just to play games. I don't have to download steam client (which is a system hog BTW) to create a friends list. Sure PC gaming has its pros but I don't see how XBL is joke since it is arguably one of the best online services available. PSTriple4life

Why so hostile? Really this thread is just full of stupid fanboys. Yeah sure I'd rather not pay for XBL but I have no problem with it. I don't know why you think that the PC has to be superior to consoles in every way. All I am saying is that claiming XBL is a joke is completely false and you just won't accept other peoples opinions. Why post in a thread where the only people who can be right is yourself and the people who think like you? I didn't even intend to get in this argument with you. From my perspective I never bashed the PC and I brought up valid points yet you act like 7 year old who has to be right aout everything. Xfire may come with most new games but XBL is guaranteed for all 360 games. I would say there is nothing wrong with PC online, but apparently paying for benefits and convienence which you think is free on the PC makes you above everyone else.

The only games people play on Xbox are COD4,Halo 3, and GOW so....yea x_x

Thats a huge generalization and BTW what exactly do PC gamers play online?

I think it would be safe to say that more people who buy an XBOX will go onto XBOX Live than people who buy a PC would get XFire or Steam.'Cause, you know, you gotta count all of those people who aren't buying PCs for gaming. And I'm talking in a percentage perspective.nyoroism

To be honest here and let's cut the BS, online console gaming is nowhere near as versatile as online PC Gaming, especially Sony and Nintendo's solution, XBL's environment is far too closed and should come free, especially since we are using our bandwidth the hosts games. MS knows the average customer is unaware and gets away with it.

Doesn't mean consoles aren't getting better at mimicking PC features as they always do every generation, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Between STEAM, Xfire, Vent, and TS...enough said. This is fairly obvious to any multiplatform gamer. With STEAM now providing FREE development tools and modules through their STEAMWORKS program to any Developer, that service is only going to get larger and better. This is certainly a nail in the coffin for MS and their GFW Live program for sure.

mismajor99

agreed

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]Call me when Steam is used by 100% of the PC users out there. Until then, it's a pipe dream. If it happens, it won't be for at least a couple years.Vandalvideo

Steam would be good if it didn't crash every time and you have restart it.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]Call me when Steam is used by 100% of the PC users out there. Until then, it's a pipe dream. If it happens, it won't be for at least a couple years.Vandalvideo

XBL is still the platform standard. Anomolous hacks like Xbox Connect or no. XBL is much closer to 100% than PC ever will be.

Only digging as much as anyone else here in this thread. Just not taking it as personally as most.

I just don't understand why people like you and PSTriple are so openly hostile to XBL? Is it so inconceivable, so alien to you that some people like the more guided, unified experience of Live? Every reason given is met with venom, and in the case of PSTriple, stupidity.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]Call me when Steam is used by 100% of the PC users out there. Until then, it's a pipe dream. If it happens, it won't be for at least a couple years.JLF1

Steam would be good if it didn't crash every time and you have restart it.

I have my Steam on all the time an no crashes so yea. Its ur unstable Pc causing it

I just don't understand why people like you and PSTriple are so openly hostile to XBL? Is it so inconceivable, so alien to you that some people like the more guided, unified experience of Live? Every reason given is met with venom, and in the case of PSTriple, stupidity.VoodooHak

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]

What kind of service makes you pay to change your name or even download a Demo!!!!

Ha what a joke, sucks to be a lemming. I mean having to pay for maps, p2p, ect

jimhogg

you have to pay to change your name in wow...

That's one game, not a whole service. And as for the OP, you don't pay to download a demo... but I agree it's BS that you pay $10 for 3 maps when you can get 50+ decent maps for most multiplayer pc games for free.

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]I don't know why you have to respond with childish sarcasm, but all of my points are completely valid. I can't start up my PC right now and have my friends list right in front of me with latest news on games and tournaments and I can't access tons of downloadable content on the same page either. The point is that with XBL you are not paying just to play games. I don't have to download steam client (which is a system hog BTW) to create a friends list. Sure PC gaming has its pros but I don't see how XBL is joke since it is arguably one of the best online services available. ChevelleFan

Why so hostile? Really this thread is just full of stupid fanboys. Yeah sure I'd rather not pay for XBL but I have no problem with it. I don't know why you think that the PC has to be superior to consoles in every way. All I am saying is that claiming XBL is a joke is completely false and you just won't accept other peoples opinions. Why post in a thread where the only people who can be right is yourself and the people who think like you? I didn't even intend to get in this argument with you. From my perspective I never bashed the PC and I brought up valid points yet you act like 7 year old who has to be right aout everything. Xfire may come with most new games but XBL is guaranteed for all 360 games. I would say there is nothing wrong with PC online, but apparently paying for benefits and convienence which you think is free on the PC makes you above everyone else.

The only games people play on Xbox are COD4,Halo 3, and GOW so....yea x_x

Thats a huge generalization and BTW what exactly do PC gamers play online?

BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, Crysis, ETQW, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to name

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]I think it would be safe to say that more people who buy an XBOX will go onto XBOX Live than people who buy a PC would get XFire or Steam.'Cause, you know, you gotta count all of those people who aren't buying PCs for gaming. And I'm talking in a percentage perspective.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]I think it would be safe to say that more people who buy an XBOX will go onto XBOX Live than people who buy a PC would get XFire or Steam.'Cause, you know, you gotta count all of those people who aren't buying PCs for gaming. And I'm talking in a percentage perspective.Vandalvideo

Versatility is great. At the same time, variety can be a doubleedged sword. Many times, varied easily becomes random and unorganized.

People like a more guided experience as I mentioned in a previous post. What's wrong with that?

BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to namePSTriple4life

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]I think it would be safe to say that more people who buy an XBOX will go onto XBOX Live than people who buy a PC would get XFire or Steam.'Cause, you know, you gotta count all of those people who aren't buying PCs for gaming. And I'm talking in a percentage perspective.VoodooHak

Versatility is great. At the same time, variety can be a doubleedged sword. Many times, varied easily becomes random and unorganized.

People like a more guided experience as I mentioned in a previous post. What's wrong with that?

I doubt you have even played PC and your calling it unorganized...WOW

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"]BF2, DOD,RO,COD 4, CSS, FEAR,BF2142,UT3,WIC, AND MMO's there are more I forgot to namenyoroism

very wrong

Also unlike you console players PC gamers don't jump ship to another game when a new one comes out.

Console players will play COD4 and Halo 3 till Gears 2 comes out and forge abotu COD and Halo.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]I think it would be safe to say that more people who buy an XBOX will go onto XBOX Live than people who buy a PC would get XFire or Steam.'Cause, you know, you gotta count all of those people who aren't buying PCs for gaming. And I'm talking in a percentage perspective.nyoroism

Versatility is great. At the same time, variety can be a doubleedged sword. Many times, varied easily becomes random and unorganized.People like a more guided experience as I mentioned in a previous post. What's wrong with that?VoodooHak

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]Call me when Steam is used by 100% of the PC users out there. Until then, it's a pipe dream. If it happens, it won't be for at least a couple years.PSTriple4life

Steam would be good if it didn't crash every time and you have restart it.

I have my Steam on all the time an no crashes so yea. Its ur unstable Pc causing it

No it's not my PC thats crashing it, it's steam thats unstable.

I'm all for free online and I think xfire is a great service but when people claim that steam is going to be the standard for PC-gaming in the future i'm really afraid.

[QUOTE="PSTriple4life"][QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]Call me when Steam is used by 100% of the PC users out there. Until then, it's a pipe dream. If it happens, it won't be for at least a couple years.JLF1

Steam would be good if it didn't crash every time and you have restart it.

I have my Steam on all the time an no crashes so yea. Its ur unstable Pc causing it

No it's not my PC thats crashing it, it's steam thats unstable.

I'm all for free online and I think xfire is a great service but when people claim that steam is going to be the standard for PC-gaming in the future i'm really afraid.

Its unstable? Yet its the #1 Digital Distrubution Service, so yea..