Xbox One Developer Concedes That PS4 Is More Powerful

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#1 deactivated-5d7fb49ded561
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Specifications show superiority

As part of a question and answer session on Reddit, an Xbox One developer has admitted that the PlayStation 4 is more powerful than Microsofts machine. Despite this, the operating system engineer noted that the size of the gulf in performance is still up for debate, and that the games on the Redmond-based companys console look excellent regardless.

The facts are on paper, the PS4 has better specs, and the most that you can debate is by how much, said the refreshingly candid employee. What I can tell you is that I have played Forza Motorsport 5, Killer Instinct, and Ryse on the Xbox One, and they look as good as the games that I play on a high-end PC. Ryse reminded me of Darksiders II.

Earlier in the year, Digital Foundry declared that the PS4 is the more powerful of the two machines, too. However, despite plenty of confidence on Sonys part, its not yet clear what practical advantages these hardware enhancements will provide. Well probably have to wait until both systems are readily available before we're able to decipher any noticeable differences.

Source: http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2013/07/xbox_one_developer_concedes_that_ps4_is_more_powerful

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we already know Xbox One is quite weak with its measle 1.1 teraflop GPU 

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we already know Xbox One is quite weak with its measle 1.1 teraflop GPU

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Most people did, only a few people still haven't accepted the truth, I guess they will have to now.
From this day on all they can do is put their faith in the cloud

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I dont think anyone can argue that the ps4 has faster hardware. Its just down to is it enough to make a difference and who will have better games and experience.

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No shit.
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it is pretty self evident to me that if people really cared about power most everyone would be pc gamers.

console power is little more than shyt for nerds like us to mentally masturbate to.

 

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I dont think anyone can argue that the ps4 has faster hardware. Its just down to is it enough to make a difference and who will have better games and experience.

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Since when has a smoother frame rate been not considered as a better experience?
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old and no one in the real world cares

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Pretty much every developer has noted that the gap is marginal at best.
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[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"]

I dont think anyone can argue that the ps4 has faster hardware. Its just down to is it enough to make a difference and who will have better games and experience.

faizan_faizan

Since when has a smoother frame rate been not considered as a better experience?

Since console players couldn't have it and started lying

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old and no one in the real world cares

seanmcloughlin


In all honesty, most people do care.

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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

old and no one in the real world cares

Davekeeh


In all honesty, most people do care.

Incorrect

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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

old and no one in the real world cares

Davekeeh


In all honesty, most people do care.

Aside from SW, not many people care. All they want to know is what console will have the best version of the new COD and that is the X1.
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it is pretty self evident to me that if people really cared about power most everyone would be pc gamers.

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old and no one in the real world cares

seanmcloughlin

Yeah... gamers never care about hardware performance, you're totally right. :roll: idiot

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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

old and no one in the real world cares

moistsandwich

Yeah... gamers never care about hardware performance, you're totally right. :roll: idiot

Console gamers? Not really, especially after last generation.
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[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

old and no one in the real world cares

Blabadon

Yeah... gamers never care about hardware performance, you're totally right. :roll: idiot

Console gamers? Not really, especially after last generation.

I second that.
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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

old and no one in the real world cares

moistsandwich

Yeah... gamers never care about hardware performance, you're totally right. :roll: idiot


And that's coming from Hermits, can you believe that? LOL

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Yes the PS4 is more powerfull. Yes the X1 is more sophisticated. The differences should be minimal at best.
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[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

old and no one in the real world cares

Blabadon

Yeah... gamers never care about hardware performance, you're totally right. :roll: idiot

Console gamers? Not really, especially after last generation.


Console gamers care too, people are still talking about which GTA 5 version will be better.

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Yes the PS4 is more powerfull. Yes the X1 is more sophisticated. The differences should be minimal at best. FoxbatAlpha
How is the X1 more sophisticated?
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Yes the PS4 is more powerfull. Yes the X1 is more sophisticated. The differences should be minimal at best. FoxbatAlpha

Is that what lemmings say to help themselves sleep at night? It's a game machine, not a car. All it has to be is powerful.

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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

old and no one in the real world cares

moistsandwich

Yeah... gamers never care about hardware performance, you're totally right. :roll: idiot

I'm not wrong. People in the real world don't care about that stuff as much as you'd think. 

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[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

Yeah... gamers never care about hardware performance, you're totally right. :roll: idiot

Davekeeh

Console gamers? Not really, especially after last generation.


Console gamers care too, people are still talking about which GTA 5 version will be better.

No they don't, otherwise less people would have bought the Wii. If people are talking about which version of GTA 5 will be better, then why wouldn't they get the 360 version? Look at the past. GTA 4 was better on the 360. Better performance, DLC came out first, arguably better controls. Yet a lot of people are still buying GTA 5 for the PS3. I am. I'm sure you are. If you aren't, I can name quite a few other cows who are.
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[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

Yeah... gamers never care about hardware performance, you're totally right. :roll: idiot

Davekeeh

Console gamers? Not really, especially after last generation.


Console gamers care too, people are still talking about which GTA 5 version will be better.

The original discussion was regarding real life.
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[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

Yeah... gamers never care about hardware performance, you're totally right. :roll: idiot

Davekeeh

Console gamers? Not really, especially after last generation.


Console gamers care too, people are still talking about which GTA 5 version will be better.

They're talking about that to try 1up each other and justify the purchase of their lump of plastic. it has very very little to do with the actual game and it never does. It's always about them showing off to the competition rather than enjoying the actual game

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old and no one in the real world cares

seanmcloughlin
im going to use one of your arguments against you then: "We are in SW, stuff outside SW dont count"
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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

old and no one in the real world cares

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im going to use one of your arguments against you then: "We are in SW, stuff outside SW dont count"

Holy lack of context, Batman.
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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

old and no one in the real world cares

Nengo_Flow

im going to use one of your arguments against you then: "We are in SW, stuff outside SW dont count"

That's why I said real world cos it's a Davekeeh thread, he seems to love throwing around "in the real world" 

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[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"]Yes the PS4 is more powerfull. Yes the X1 is more sophisticated. The differences should be minimal at best. Chutebox
How is the X1 more sophisticated?

You are on here enough to know why. Specs are one thing, how the architecture is used is another. The Kinect is more sophisticated than the web camera called the Eye Toy. The cloud at least will add something new, whether it be more players, A.I. or free up system usage.
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[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

old and no one in the real world cares

seanmcloughlin

im going to use one of your arguments against you then: "We are in SW, stuff outside SW dont count"

That's why I said real world cos it's a Davekeeh thread, he seems to love throwing around "in the real world" 

SW is probably his "real life".
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[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"]Yes the PS4 is more powerfull. Yes the X1 is more sophisticated. The differences should be minimal at best. jhcho2

Is that what lemmings say to help themselves sleep at night? It's a game machine, not a car. All it has to be is powerful.

Really? Have you ever read about PC builds that are $10,000 or more? The only squeeze out more fps once all the settings are maxed. It doesn't make the game any better when you play the same game on a $800 rig or hi end. Some Sony exclusives may be great in the long run but not now, not from what I've seen.
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"]Yes the PS4 is more powerfull. Yes the X1 is more sophisticated. The differences should be minimal at best. FoxbatAlpha
How is the X1 more sophisticated?

You are on here enough to know why. Specs are one thing, how the architecture is used is another. The Kinect is more sophisticated than the web camera called the Eye Toy. The cloud at least will add something new, whether it be more players, A.I. or free up system usage.

Both have the same CPU and GPU architectures, x86-x64 and AMD GCN respectively.
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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"] im going to use one of your arguments against you then: "We are in SW, stuff outside SW dont count"faizan_faizan

That's why I said real world cos it's a Davekeeh thread, he seems to love throwing around "in the real world"

SW is probably his "real life".


Yet somehow you have more posts than me, ouch

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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] How is the X1 more sophisticated?

You are on here enough to know why. Specs are one thing, how the architecture is used is another. The Kinect is more sophisticated than the web camera called the Eye Toy. The cloud at least will add something new, whether it be more players, A.I. or free up system usage.

Both have the same CPU and GPU architectures, x86-x64 and AMD GCN respectively.

But one of them did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
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[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"] Console gamers? Not really, especially after last generation.Blabadon


Console gamers care too, people are still talking about which GTA 5 version will be better.

No they don't, otherwise less people would have bought the Wii. If people are talking about which version of GTA 5 will be better, then why wouldn't they get the 360 version? Look at the past. GTA 4 was better on the 360. Better performance, DLC came out first, arguably better controls. Yet a lot of people are still buying GTA 5 for the PS3. I am. I'm sure you are. If you aren't, I can name quite a few other cows who are.


You sir, are ignorant.

People all over the world are deciding on which console(s) they want to get. You really believe that people don't take hardware performance into account?
So if the PS4 had Wii U's graphics, you think it would still do as good?

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[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

old and no one in the real world cares

seanmcloughlin


In all honesty, most people do care.

Incorrect

even mainstream consumers care about power. It's pure arrogance to think that one has to be "hardcore" to appreciate higher frame rates and higher quality renders. Mainstream consumers can even appreciate more advanced hardware applications like AI and game design. Historically, the reason that powerful consoles have underperformed in the mainstream is because of the higher price or the lack of games. That doesn't appear to be an issue for the ps4.
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

That's why I said real world cos it's a Davekeeh thread, he seems to love throwing around "in the real world"

Davekeeh

SW is probably his "real life".


Yet somehow you have more posts than me, ouch

How is that any indication that SW is my real life?
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This pretty much confirms Kojima is speaking out of his ass and or is on Microsofts payroll.

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[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]
Console gamers care too, people are still talking about which GTA 5 version will be better.

Davekeeh

No they don't, otherwise less people would have bought the Wii. If people are talking about which version of GTA 5 will be better, then why wouldn't they get the 360 version? Look at the past. GTA 4 was better on the 360. Better performance, DLC came out first, arguably better controls. Yet a lot of people are still buying GTA 5 for the PS3. I am. I'm sure you are. If you aren't, I can name quite a few other cows who are.


You sir, are ignorant.

People all over the world are deciding on which console(s) they want to get. You really believe that people don't take hardware performance into account?
So if the PS4 had Wii U's graphics, you think it would still do as good?

The Wii U's suffering from a lack of identity and games, with power also being a concern. Living in a vacuum for this generation doesn't somehow eliminate the fact the Wii kicked the PS3 and 360's asses thoroughly. Last time I checked, it wasn't nearly as powerful as either one of them, or the PS2 curb-stomping its competition as well. And for those who are taking power into account, what do they care about? Better CPUs or RAM? The Cloud? They're either misinformed or dumb as it is, or are should aim for a PC, thus taking away the console gamer tag from them. Also, nice being actually ignorant about my point on GTA V that you brought up.
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[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

old and no one in the real world cares

seanmcloughlin

Yeah... gamers never care about hardware performance, you're totally right. :roll: idiot

I'm not wrong. People in the real world don't care about that stuff as much as you'd think. 

They don't care a lot, but they still care. If console gamers didn't care, then the PS4 and X1 wouldn't be selling so well. Early buyers aren't buying for the games, they're buying for the novelty of having a more powerful console. I'm sure they'll be some good games out at launch, but what are people talking about? Killzone? Titanfall? I'm sure that stuff will be good, but they aren't exactly system sellers.
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This pretty much confirms Kojima is speaking out of his ass and or is on Microsofts payroll.

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People actually believed his statement?
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[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"] No they don't, otherwise less people would have bought the Wii. If people are talking about which version of GTA 5 will be better, then why wouldn't they get the 360 version? Look at the past. GTA 4 was better on the 360. Better performance, DLC came out first, arguably better controls. Yet a lot of people are still buying GTA 5 for the PS3. I am. I'm sure you are. If you aren't, I can name quite a few other cows who are.Blabadon


You sir, are ignorant.

People all over the world are deciding on which console(s) they want to get. You really believe that people don't take hardware performance into account?
So if the PS4 had Wii U's graphics, you think it would still do as good?

The Wii U's suffering from a lack of identity and games, with power also being a concern. Living in a vacuum for this generation doesn't somehow eliminate the fact the Wii kicked the PS3 and 360's asses thoroughly. Last time I checked, it wasn't nearly as powerful as either one of them, or the PS2 curb-stomping its competition as well. And for those who are taking power into account, what do they care about? Better CPUs or RAM? The Cloud? They're either misinformed or dumb as it is, or are should aim for a PC, thus taking away the console gamer tag from them. Also, nice being actually ignorant about my point on GTA V that you brought up.

You didn't really answer my question. Do you think the PS4 would do as well as it does now if it had Wii U's graphics?

The answer is no.

People do care about hardware performance when it comes to the PlayStation and the Xbox. Because next-gen graphics are one of their main selling points.
And if the word spreads (which it will) that the PS4 is indeed more powerful than the Xbox One, people will certaintly take that into consideration.

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People will see the lower price for the ps4 and choose that. The superior specs will be a bonus that only strengthens the appeal. If we want to talk about irrelevant factors, look at kinect and the entertainment features associated with the xb1. I doubt the mainstream will care about that very much.
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Pretty much every developer has noted that the gap is marginal at best. ShoulderOfOrion
50% stronger GPU is not marginal, it's phenomenal.
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#48 Eddie-Vedder
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Poor lemmos, more expensive, worse hardware, kinect, crappy exclusive support, crappy indie support, no PS+, no PS franchises, Bungie jumped ship... 

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#49 ShoulderOfOrion
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[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Pretty much every developer has noted that the gap is marginal at best. DrTrafalgarLaw
50% stronger GPU is not marginal, it's phenomenal.

That 50% figure comes from Sony and its lapdogs.
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#50 AD216
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this thread is as bad as the zimmerman verdict