Xbox One Developer Concedes That PS4 Is More Powerful

[QUOTE="BlackShirt20"]

99% know they have more powerful hardware.

99% also means nothing.

99% know the Xbox One is a better quality system

99% also know the Xbox One uses superior technology

100% know Xbox One is the superior console.

Granny_Spanked

"Just look at it"

Well isn't teh cloud supposed to give XB1 super secret powers to make up for the inferior hardware?

99% know they have more powerful hardware.

99% also means nothing.

99% know the Xbox One is a better quality system

99% also know the Xbox One uses superior technology

100% know Xbox One is the superior console.

BlackShirt20

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"] Console gamers? Not really, especially after last generation.Blabadon

[QUOTE="XboxStache"][QUOTE="XBOunity"]

haha i dont think cows can say that they are forgetting about some of their exclusives cause they have so many like here

Murderstyle75

99% know they have more powerful hardware.

99% also means nothing.

99% know the Xbox One is a better quality system

99% also know the Xbox One uses superior technology

100% know Xbox One is the superior console.

BlackShirt20

That's the exact face I make everytime I read one of your brain numbing posts.

And the strongest console never won the last few gens...try again :lol:MonsieurX

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] 1.82 TFLOPs vs. 1.23 TFLOPs. Do the math.

In reality the Xflop One only has access to 90% of the GPU when in-game, 10% of GPU resources are reserved for switching on the fly and picture-in-picture crap.
1) Running: The game is loaded in memory and is fully running. The game has full access to the reserved system resources, which are six CPU cores, 90 percent of GPU processing power, and 5 GB of memory. The game is rendering full-screen and the user can interact with it.

It's:
1.82 TFLOPs vs. 1.1 TFLOPs. The GPU of the PS4 is 65% stronger. Deal with it chumps.

DrTrafalgarLaw

Background workloads such as downloads and video encoding/decoder. Are you claiming the ARM chip includes it's own GPU?

From http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52024563

Cerney: The PS4 has a dedicated encoder for video sharing and such. There are a few dedicated encoder and decoder functions which are available and use the APU minimally. This is also used for playback of compressed in-game audio in MP3 and audio chat.

No indications for Mali or PowerVR type GPU.

PS; There's are differences between a DSP and a GPU.

AMD GCN has a separate module for video encoding/decoder i.e. AMD Video Codec Engine (VCE) and AMD UnifieD ViDeo DecoDer(UVD).

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My laptop has two GPUs i.e. Intel HD 4000 and AMD Radeon HD 8870M. Intel HD 4000 is use for lighter GPU workloads (equalvent to Radeon HD 4650M levels) while AMD Radeon HD 8870M is use for heavy GPU workloads. For display, AMD Radeon HD 8870M's render results are piped into Intel HD 4000.

Both Intel HD 4000 and AMD Radeon HD 8870M handles foreground workloads i.e. they are both display processors.

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For "Mark also said they do something similar with the CPU having both north- and south bridges to relieve any background processing strain" statement, what sluff is this?

SoC (Sytem on Chip) includes north and southbridges e.g. AMD Temash SoC (for tablets and netbooks/ultrabooks) includes both north and southbridges.

As for PS4...

Cerny: The second custom chip is essentially the Southbridge. However, this also has an embedded CPU. This will always be powered, and even when the PS4 is powered off, it is monitoring all IO systems. The embedded CPU and Southbridge manages download processes and all HDD access. Of course, even with the power off.

Nothing here that shows a hybrid dual GPU setup.

I never agreed with all this snobbery anti-power talk; these consoles are meant to last for the next 6 years. The more power the better. In a ideal world PS4 & XB1 would be both more and equally powerful.Floppy_Jim

PS4 is more powerful. Both are very close though.

Old and specs are meaningless. When multiplats all look and play the same, who's really going to care about specs? No one cares are specs for the XBox 360 or PS3 anymore do they? Why, because the games look the same on both consoles. For the first 2-3yrs, all the multiplats played better on the XBox 360. PS3 specs ended up making no difference. The same thing will happen with the PS4 and XBox One. On paper the PS4 is slightly more power. Whoopie-dee-doo. Sony still hasn't been able to get a game running smoothly at 1080p @60fps yet. Sigh.. Specs? Meh!! I play games, not specs. blackace

ppl thought otherwise?campzor

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]And the strongest console never won the last few gens...try again :lol:gpuking

Didn't realize the generation was over. Interesting.

[QUOTE="AD216"]

this thread is as bad as the zimmerman verdict

clyde46

yes because power won every console gen ,lets see 

n64 more powerful then ps1 but guess what ps1 won,

xbox gc more powerful then ps2 but ps2 won dc lost bigger

ps3 had more power but less ram , - wii outsold it 

don't quote me when ps4 ends up 2nd or even last if wiiu gets goin

Xbox One Developer Concedes That PS4 Is More Powerful

 

Davekeeh

Like the 360 vs the PS3 then !

Does this mean the Playstation will be in last place again ?

yes because power won every console gen ,lets see 

n64 more powerful then ps1 but guess what ps1 won,

xbox gc more powerful then ps2 but ps2 won dc lost bigger

ps3 had more power but less ram , - wii outsold it 

don't quote me when ps4 ends up 2nd or even last if wiiu gets goin

mariokart64fan

Old and specs are meaningless. When multiplats all look and play the same, who's really going to care about specs? No one cares are specs for the XBox 360 or PS3 anymore do they? Why, because the games look the same on both consoles. For the first 2-3yrs, all the multiplats played better on the XBox 360. PS3 specs ended up making no difference. The same thing will happen with the PS4 and XBox One. On paper the PS4 is slightly more power. Whoopie-dee-doo. Sony still hasn't been able to get a game running smoothly at 1080p @60fps yet. Sigh.. Specs? Meh!! I play games, not specs. blackace

Poor Lems, I still remember them saying that Microsoft would have the better hardware because they have so much money and that the cows would get owned.

Now Lems act like they don't care. LOL

we've known this for weeks.

 

Background workloads such as downloads and video encoding/decoder. Are you claiming the ARM chip includes it's own GPU?

From http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52024563

Cerney: The PS4 has a dedicated encoder for video sharing and such. There are a few dedicated encoder and decoder functions which are available and use the APU minimally. This is also used for playback of compressed in-game audio in MP3 and audio chat.

 

 

 

No indications for Mali or PowerVR type GPU.

 

PS; There's are differences between a DSP and a GPU.

AMD GCN has a separate module for video encoding/decoder i.e. AMD Video Codec Engine (VCE) and AMD UnifieD ViDeo DecoDer(UVD).

 

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My laptop has two GPUs i.e. Intel HD 4000 and AMD Radeon HD 8870M. Intel HD 4000 is use for lighter GPU workloads (equalvent to Radeon HD 4650M levels) while AMD Radeon HD 8870M is use for heavy GPU workloads. For display, AMD Radeon HD 8870M's render results are piped into Intel HD 4000.

Both Intel HD 4000 and AMD Radeon HD 8870M handles foreground workloads i.e. they are both display processors.

 

 

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For "Mark also said they do something similar with the CPU having both north- and south bridges to relieve any background processing strain" statement, what sluff is this?

 

SoC (Sytem on Chip) includes north and southbridges e.g. AMD Temash SoC (for tablets and netbooks/ultrabooks) includes both north and southbridges.

 

As for PS4...

 

Cerny: The second custom chip is essentially the Southbridge. However, this also has an embedded CPU. This will always be powered, and even when the PS4 is powered off, it is monitoring all IO systems. The embedded CPU and Southbridge manages download processes and all HDD access. Of course, even with the power off.

 

Nothing here that shows a hybrid dual GPU setup.

ronvalencia

And here we go again.

Did Cerny say there that the ARM CPU will do the encoding and decoding.? No he say the PS4 has different encoders for video sharing,he did not say it will be the ARM CPU.

And just so you know on December 2012 sony file for this little patent..

 

DYNAMIC CONTEXT SWITCHING BETWEEN ARCHITECTURALLY DISTINCT GRAPHICS PROCESSORS

Abstract

Graphics processing in a computer graphics apparatus having architecturally dissimilar first and second graphics processing units (GPU) is disclosed. Graphics input is produced in a format having an architecture-neutral display list. One or more instructions in the architecture neutral display list are translated into GPU instructions in an architecture specific format for an active GPU of the first and second GPU.

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220120320068%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120320068&RS=DN/20120320068

OH oh Ron apparently that second ARM chip also has a GPU,going by this patent from sony.

I don't see why this would sorprice you, those socs are ultra cheap and they are produce on the millions and millions for cell phones,now a CPU alone would not do much,but even a mali or Power VR will do allot of things acelerated.

And the PC vs PS4 comparison again.? Don't you get tire the PS4 is not your laptop.

Xbox Dev - "The family sharing was for full games and not just demos"

Cleg Nuts - "The Xbox dev is full of shit and cannot be trusted, he is lying"

Xbox Dev - "The PS4 hardware is more powerful"

Cleg Nuts - "The Xbox dev is 100% legit. This guy speaks only the truth!"

Old and specs are meaningless. When multiplats all look and play the same, who's really going to care about specs? No one cares are specs for the XBox 360 or PS3 anymore do they? Why, because the games look the same on both consoles. For the first 2-3yrs, all the multiplats played better on the XBox 360. PS3 specs ended up making no difference. The same thing will happen with the PS4 and XBox One. On paper the PS4 is slightly more power. Whoopie-dee-doo. Sony still hasn't been able to get a game running smoothly at 1080p @60fps yet. Sigh.. Specs? Meh!! I play games, not specs. blackace

That is because sony is using next gen effects not last gen one with higher resolutions.

Forza 5 baked lighting,baked car damage,no wheater,no dynamic day to night changes,enclosed environments.

And Titanfall has bland environments were not even the grass moves..:lol: Welcome to last gen in 1080p with 60 FPS.

Nothing on xbox one touch uncharted nothing,to the point were DF call it CG like,when you get one of those on xbox one tell me so.

yes because power won every console gen ,lets see 

n64 more powerful then ps1 but guess what ps1 won,

xbox gc more powerful then ps2 but ps2 won dc lost bigger

ps3 had more power but less ram , - wii outsold it 

don't quote me when ps4 ends up 2nd or even last if wiiu gets goin

mariokart64fan

PS1 December 1994.

N64 Summer 1996.

PS2 March 2000.

xbox GC fall 2001.

When both of this consoles came the PS2 and PS1 the stronger contenders were not there period.

And the wii was a gimmick console that had a selling point,which wasn't the old graphics vs strong ones,in fact that same PS3 and xbox 360 are actually outselling the Wii and Wii U combined world wide,each of the 2.

Everyone knows this but when the multi platform games look the same its hard to show how its more powerful. At the end of the day the ps4 being more powerful wont mean much  if PS4 or XBOX one has just simply better games.

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Xbox One Developer Concedes That PS4 Is More Powerful

 

Caseytappy

Like the 360 vs the PS3 then !

Does this mean the Playstation will be in last place again ?

NO is not the same for the 100 time.

Those consoles used different tech from different companies,Nvidia vs AMD,the xbox 360 had a stronger GPU the PS3 had a stronger CPU.

Now both consoles use the same CPU and GPU from the same family,so this is like comparing a 7770 vs a 7850 because both are from the same family.

The xbox one doesn't have 1 year head start and $100 less price tag,it will release at the same time,while been weaker,and costing $100 more,so no i don't think the PS4 will end las based on what happen last gen,because if what happen last gen dictated what will happen on the next,sony would still be the console leader by far.

Old.

Also, the launch lineups are terrible...

My thoughts - why make *another* "PS4 mnore powerful than XB1" thread? We know already...

[QUOTE="Caseytappy"]

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Xbox One Developer Concedes That PS4 Is More Powerful

 

tormentos

Like the 360 vs the PS3 then !

Does this mean the Playstation will be in last place again ?

NO is not the same for the 100 time.

Those consoles used different tech from different companies,Nvidia vs AMD,the xbox 360 had a stronger GPU the PS3 had a stronger CPU.

Now both consoles use the same CPU and GPU from the same family,so this is like comparing a 7770 vs a 7850 because both are from the same family.

The xbox one doesn't have 1 year head start and $100 less price tag,it will release at the same time,while been weaker,and costing $100 more,so no i don't think the PS4 will end las based on what happen last gen,because if what happen last gen dictated what will happen on the next,sony would still be the console leader by far.

Listen Nerd, who the hell cares about exact spec. differences apart from virgin basement dwellers ?

Here in the human World Playstation is again stronger than Xbox just like last gen. and the last three genererations weakest hardware sold the most .

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Background workloads such as downloads and video encoding/decoder. Are you claiming the ARM chip includes it's own GPU?

From http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52024563

Cerney: The PS4 has a dedicated encoder for video sharing and such. There are a few dedicated encoder and decoder functions which are available and use the APU minimally. This is also used for playback of compressed in-game audio in MP3 and audio chat.

No indications for Mali or PowerVR type GPU.

PS; There's are differences between a DSP and a GPU.

AMD GCN has a separate module for video encoding/decoder i.e. AMD Video Codec Engine (VCE) and AMD UnifieD ViDeo DecoDer(UVD).

-------------------------

My laptop has two GPUs i.e. Intel HD 4000 and AMD Radeon HD 8870M. Intel HD 4000 is use for lighter GPU workloads (equalvent to Radeon HD 4650M levels) while AMD Radeon HD 8870M is use for heavy GPU workloads. For display, AMD Radeon HD 8870M's render results are piped into Intel HD 4000.

Both Intel HD 4000 and AMD Radeon HD 8870M handles foreground workloads i.e. they are both display processors.

-------------------------

For "Mark also said they do something similar with the CPU having both north- and south bridges to relieve any background processing strain" statement, what sluff is this?

SoC (Sytem on Chip) includes north and southbridges e.g. AMD Temash SoC (for tablets and netbooks/ultrabooks) includes both north and southbridges.

As for PS4...

Cerny: The second custom chip is essentially the Southbridge. However, this also has an embedded CPU. This will always be powered, and even when the PS4 is powered off, it is monitoring all IO systems. The embedded CPU and Southbridge manages download processes and all HDD access. Of course, even with the power off.

Nothing here that shows a hybrid dual GPU setup.

tormentos

And here we go again.

Did Cerny say there that the ARM CPU will do the encoding and decoding.? No he say the PS4 has different encoders for video sharing,he did not say it will be the ARM CPU.

And just so you know on December 2012 sony file for this little patent..

DYNAMIC CONTEXT SWITCHING BETWEEN ARCHITECTURALLY DISTINCT GRAPHICS PROCESSORS

Abstract

Graphics processing in a computer graphics apparatus having architecturally dissimilar first and second graphics processing units (GPU) is disclosed. Graphics input is produced in a format having an architecture-neutral display list. One or more instructions in the architecture neutral display list are translated into GPU instructions in an architecture specific format for an active GPU of the first and second GPU.

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220120320068%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120320068&RS=DN/20120320068

OH oh Ron apparently that second ARM chip also has a GPU,going by this patent from sony.

I don't see why this would sorprice you, those socs are ultra cheap and they are produce on the millions and millions for cell phones,now a CPU alone would not do much,but even a mali or Power VR will do allot of things acelerated.

And the PC vs PS4 comparison again.? Don't you get tire the PS4 is not your laptop.

LOL, You still got LZ decoder (for blu-ray loading) wrong.

I'm aware of the said patent i.e. I made comments on it in the past.

Your patent link still doesn't show the PS4 has a secondary GPU i.e. companies files countless patents.

Cerny hasn't stated any secondary GPU for PS4 i.e. only specified a secondary ARM based CPU.

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PS; The hermits has covered Sony's dissimilar dual GPU patent topics with NVIDIA's Optimus and DirectX. http://au.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29333330/ps4-may-include-gpu-switching-technology-according-to-new-sony-patent

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/191007/inside_the_playstation_4_with_mark_.php?page=3

"For example, by having the hardware dedicated unit for audio, that means we can support audio chat without the games needing to dedicate any significant resources to them. The same thing for compression and decompression of video." The audio unit also handles decompression of "a very large number" of MP3 streams for in-game audio, Cerny added.

.........

There's also another custom chip to put the system in a low-power mode for background downloads. "To make it a more green hardware, which is very important for us, we have the ability to turn off the main power in the system and just have power to that secondary custom chip, system memory, and I/O -- hard drive, Ethernet. So that allows background downloads to happen in a very low power scenario. We also have the ability to shut off everything except power to the RAMs, which is how we leave your game session suspended."

Still no indication for secondary GPU.

[QUOTE="Caseytappy"]

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Xbox One Developer Concedes That PS4 Is More Powerful

tormentos

Like the 360 vs the PS3 then !

Does this mean the Playstation will be in last place again ?

NO is not the same for the 100 time.

Those consoles used different tech from different companies,Nvidia vs AMD,the xbox 360 had a stronger GPU the PS3 had a stronger CPU.

Now both consoles use the same CPU and GPU from the same family,so this is like comparing a 7770 vs a 7850 because both are from the same family.

The xbox one doesn't have 1 year head start and $100 less price tag,it will release at the same time,while been weaker,and costing $100 more,so no i don't think the PS4 will end las based on what happen last gen,because if what happen last gen dictated what will happen on the next,sony would still be the console leader by far.

You act as if The PS3 outsold the 360 everywhere and that is how it caught up. The truth of the matter is, the PS3 caught up because of Japan - where the 360 has virtually no presence. 8:1 sales advantage in that market is the only reason the PS3 caught up. If you take Japan out of the equation, the PS3 got trounced in NA and EU.

And lets be honest here - do sales in Japan have anything to do with what multi-plat titles get released in the US? Maybe to some extent with JRPGs ( a dying genre), but not with WRPGs, FPS, RTS, etc. Japan sales are not going to effect what consoles the Elder Scrolls, CoD, Dragon Age, Madden, Fallout, etc. are released on.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Caseytappy"]

Like the 360 vs the PS3 then !

Does this mean the Playstation will be in last place again ?

StormyJoe

NO is not the same for the 100 time.

Those consoles used different tech from different companies,Nvidia vs AMD,the xbox 360 had a stronger GPU the PS3 had a stronger CPU.

Now both consoles use the same CPU and GPU from the same family,so this is like comparing a 7770 vs a 7850 because both are from the same family.

The xbox one doesn't have 1 year head start and $100 less price tag,it will release at the same time,while been weaker,and costing $100 more,so no i don't think the PS4 will end las based on what happen last gen,because if what happen last gen dictated what will happen on the next,sony would still be the console leader by far.

You act as if The PS3 outsold the 360 everywhere and that is how it caught up. The truth of the matter is, the PS3 caught up because of Japan - where the 360 has virtually no presence. 8:1 sales advantage in that market is the only reason the PS3 caught up. If you take Japan out of the equation, the PS3 got trounced in NA and EU.

And lets be honest here - do sales in Japan have anything to do with what multi-plat titles get released in the US? Maybe to some extent with JRPGs ( a dying genre), but not with WRPGs, FPS, RTS, etc. Japan sales are not going to effect what consoles the Elder Scrolls, CoD, Dragon Age, Madden, Fallout, etc. are released on.

Poor Lems, I still remember them saying that Microsoft would have the better hardware because they have so much money and that the cows would get owned.

Now Lems act like they don't care. LOL

Davekeeh

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

NO is not the same for the 100 time.

Those consoles used different tech from different companies,Nvidia vs AMD,the xbox 360 had a stronger GPU the PS3 had a stronger CPU.

Now both consoles use the same CPU and GPU from the same family,so this is like comparing a 7770 vs a 7850 because both are from the same family.

The xbox one doesn't have 1 year head start and $100 less price tag,it will release at the same time,while been weaker,and costing $100 more,so no i don't think the PS4 will end las based on what happen last gen,because if what happen last gen dictated what will happen on the next,sony would still be the console leader by far.

hoosier7

You act as if The PS3 outsold the 360 everywhere and that is how it caught up. The truth of the matter is, the PS3 caught up because of Japan - where the 360 has virtually no presence. 8:1 sales advantage in that market is the only reason the PS3 caught up. If you take Japan out of the equation, the PS3 got trounced in NA and EU.

And lets be honest here - do sales in Japan have anything to do with what multi-plat titles get released in the US? Maybe to some extent with JRPGs ( a dying genre), but not with WRPGs, FPS, RTS, etc. Japan sales are not going to effect what consoles the Elder Scrolls, CoD, Dragon Age, Madden, Fallout, etc. are released on.

Do that math. If you subtract 7-8 million from PS3 sales, where does it stand in regards to 360 sales?

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Specifications show superiority

As part of a question and answer session on Reddit, an Xbox One developer has admitted that the PlayStation 4 is more powerful than Microsofts machine. Despite this, the operating system engineer noted that the size of the gulf in performance is still up for debate, and that the games on the Redmond-based companys console look excellent regardless.

The facts are on paper, the PS4 has better specs, and the most that you can debate is by how much, said the refreshingly candid employee. What I can tell you is that I have played Forza Motorsport 5, Killer Instinct, and Ryse on the Xbox One, and they look as good as the games that I play on a high-end PC. Ryse reminded me of Darksiders II.

Earlier in the year, Digital Foundry declared that the PS4 is the more powerful of the two machines, too. However, despite plenty of confidence on Sonys part, its not yet clear what practical advantages these hardware enhancements will provide. Well probably have to wait until both systems are readily available before we're able to decipher any noticeable differences.

Source: http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2013/07/xbox_one_developer_concedes_that_ps4_is_more_powerful

Thoughts?

ShoTTyMcNaDeS

My guess is that the real bottleneck devs will face next-gen is the budget.

Costs did already skyrocket this gen, imagine next-gen, even with the x86 structure that at least may help easing the burden a bit.

we've known this for weeks.

CaseyWegner

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Caseytappy"]

Like the 360 vs the PS3 then !

Does this mean the Playstation will be in last place again ?

Caseytappy

NO is not the same for the 100 time.

Those consoles used different tech from different companies,Nvidia vs AMD,the xbox 360 had a stronger GPU the PS3 had a stronger CPU.

Now both consoles use the same CPU and GPU from the same family,so this is like comparing a 7770 vs a 7850 because both are from the same family.

The xbox one doesn't have 1 year head start and $100 less price tag,it will release at the same time,while been weaker,and costing $100 more,so no i don't think the PS4 will end las based on what happen last gen,because if what happen last gen dictated what will happen on the next,sony would still be the console leader by far.

Listen Nerd, who the hell cares about exact spec. differences apart from virgin basement dwellers ?

Here in the human World Playstation is again stronger than Xbox just like last gen. and the last three genererations weakest hardware sold the most .

You sound like an idiot comparing 360 and PS3 to X1 and PS4. Why not compare Apples and Oranges while you're at it

 

Listen Nerd, who the hell cares about exact spec. differences apart from virgin basement dwellers ?

Here in the human World Playstation is again stronger than Xbox just like last gen. and the last three genererations weakest hardware sold the most .

Caseytappy

Now that is a first for me...:lol:

That is because those weaker consoles had better games,and releas before those stronger one,the PS1 and PS2 did not won because they were the weakest,in fact the DC was last ge weakest console no the PS2.

The wii won because of the gimmick which by now is dead and burry.

 

LOL, You still got LZ decoder (for blu-ray loading) wrong.

 

 

I'm aware of the said patent i.e. I made comments on it in the past.

 

Your patent link still doesn't show the PS4 has a secondary GPU i.e. companies files countless patents.

 

Cerny hasn't stated any secondary GPU for PS4 i.e. only specified a secondary ARM based CPU.

------------

 

 

PS; The hermits has covered Sony's dissimilar dual GPU patent topics with NVIDIA's Optimus and DirectX. http://au.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29333330/ps4-may-include-gpu-switching-technology-according-to-new-sony-patent

 

 

 

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/191007/inside_the_playstation_4_with_mark_.php?page=3

"For example, by having the hardware dedicated unit for audio, that means we can support audio chat without the games needing to dedicate any significant resources to them. The same thing for compression and decompression of video." The audio unit also handles decompression of "a very large number" of MP3 streams for in-game audio, Cerny added.

.........

There's also another custom chip to put the system in a low-power mode for background downloads. "To make it a more green hardware, which is very important for us, we have the ability to turn off the main power in the system and just have power to that secondary custom chip, system memory, and I/O -- hard drive, Ethernet. So that allows background downloads to happen in a very low power scenario. We also have the ability to shut off everything except power to the RAMs, which is how we leave your game session suspended."

 

Still no indication for secondary GPU.

ronvalencia

LZ compression can be done by the CPU without problems... Now we all know the xbox one has 2 core reserve for OS,the PS4 doesn't so yeah anythng the xbox one can do the PS4 can do it better,because it has more resources.

Funny because what that CPU will do for background taks on PS4 the xbox one has to make up with the jaguar..

No maltter how much you try to change it 1+ 1 =2 and the xbox one has just 1.

Yeah but is a patent from sony which reffer to content switching between disimilar GPU..:lol: Come on stop playing blind,this is funny with all the seret sauce sh** that you want to tag to the xbox one in order to make it look better,and this patent from sony some how you think is not for the PS4.?

Wasn't one of the features of HSA content switching.? Wait don't we all know that sony was doing its own HSA because AMD was late.?

And some how you think this isn't  PS4..:lol:

Funny how you try to downplay it,when it comes from sony it self,yet you don't think twice to make stupid comparison of your PC's vs consoles in scenarios that will not happen,or how you battlantly claimed that GDDR5 would not be effective based on  the damn 5870 GPU.,but some how this can't be for PS4..

I think i make my point lemming.

[QUOTE="Caseytappy"]

Listen Nerd, who the hell cares about exact spec. differences apart from virgin basement dwellers ?

Here in the human World Playstation is again stronger than Xbox just like last gen. and the last three genererations weakest hardware sold the most .

tormentos

Now that is a first for me...:lol:

That is because those weaker consoles had better games,and releas before those stronger one,the PS1 and PS2 did not won because they were the weakest,in fact the DC was last ge weakest console no the PS2.

The wii won because of the gimmick which by now is dead and burry.

 

You act as if The PS3 outsold the 360 everywhere and that is how it caught up. The truth of the matter is, the PS3 caught up because of Japan - where the 360 has virtually no presence. 8:1 sales advantage in that market is the only reason the PS3 caught up. If you take Japan out of the equation, the PS3 got trounced in NA and EU.

And lets be honest here - do sales in Japan have anything to do with what multi-plat titles get released in the US? Maybe to some extent with JRPGs ( a dying genre), but not with WRPGs, FPS, RTS, etc. Japan sales are not going to effect what consoles the Elder Scrolls, CoD, Dragon Age, Madden, Fallout, etc. are released on.

StormyJoe

In fact my pst has nothing to do with what you claim but i play alone.

The true is that the xbox 360 did great because of US,because on EU the PS3 over took it,and on Japan the xbox is dead,see how stupid you sound.?

Is funny that you take Japan out of the equation,lets take US from the xbox sales and the xbox 360 end up getting even a worse beating,becase EU = sony land and Japan even more.

 

Do that math. If you subtract 7-8 million from PS3 sales, where does it stand in regards to 360 sales?

StormyJoe

Do the math is you subtract 40+ million units the xbox sold in US were does it stand in regards to PS3 sales?

Is call world wide you idiot because it does include every part of the world,your point is stupid to begin with,world wide sales US mean sh** in the great scheme of things,world wide or nothing,you don't see Samsung just counting korean sales,or Apple just counting US sales.

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LOL, You still got LZ decoder (for blu-ray loading) wrong.

I'm aware of the said patent i.e. I made comments on it in the past.

Your patent link still doesn't show the PS4 has a secondary GPU i.e. companies files countless patents.

Cerny hasn't stated any secondary GPU for PS4 i.e. only specified a secondary ARM based CPU.

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PS; The hermits has covered Sony's dissimilar dual GPU patent topics with NVIDIA's Optimus and DirectX. http://au.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29333330/ps4-may-include-gpu-switching-technology-according-to-new-sony-patent

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/191007/inside_the_playstation_4_with_mark_.php?page=3

"For example, by having the hardware dedicated unit for audio, that means we can support audio chat without the games needing to dedicate any significant resources to them. The same thing for compression and decompression of video." The audio unit also handles decompression of "a very large number" of MP3 streams for in-game audio, Cerny added.

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There's also another custom chip to put the system in a low-power mode for background downloads. "To make it a more green hardware, which is very important for us, we have the ability to turn off the main power in the system and just have power to that secondary custom chip, system memory, and I/O -- hard drive, Ethernet. So that allows background downloads to happen in a very low power scenario. We also have the ability to shut off everything except power to the RAMs, which is how we leave your game session suspended."

Still no indication for secondary GPU.

tormentos

LZ compression can be done by the CPU without problems... Now we all know the xbox one has 2 core reserve for OS,the PS4 doesn't so yeah anythng the xbox one can do the PS4 can do it better,because it has more resources.

Funny because what that CPU will do for background taks on PS4 the xbox one has to make up with the jaguar..

No, you claimed PS4 has similar hardware to X1's LZ compression/decompression hardware, but the PS4 only Zlib decompression hardware (for the blu-ray loading).

I'm already aware of the two extra AMD Jaguar CPUs on the PS4.

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Note that AMD GCN's CUs can do LZ(e.g. WinZIP 16.5) type compression just fine. You haven't got the details right.

Your CPU driven LZ compression statement is LOL i.e. your statement alone just shows that you don't know the state of OpenCL on AMD GPUs.

Any AMDer would know WinZip 16.5 OpenCL.

http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/graphics/Pages/winzip-terms-and-conditions.aspx

http://www.winzip.com/win/en/amd.htm

The GPU wouldn't be gimped by CPU's I/O (<20 GB/s) limitations.

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Unlike you, I support all AMD based hardware** and I'm not in Sony's reality distortion field. Most of my statements goes beyond X1 vs PS4 i.e. SW is not limited by console wars.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Do that math. If you subtract 7-8 million from PS3 sales, where does it stand in regards to 360 sales?

tormentos

Do the math is you subtract 40+ million units the xbox sold in US were does it stand in regards to PS3 sales?

Is call world wide you idiot because it does include every part of the world,your point is stupid to begin with,world wide sales US mean sh** in the great scheme of things,world wide or nothing,you don't see Samsung just counting korean sales,or Apple just counting US sales.

I do not resort to name calling, so I would appreciate you doing the same. That being said...

What is the end goal of selling the most consoles? The answer is: when you have the biggest user base, you get the most attention from 3rd party developers. Western developers, who now dominate the industry, don't look at the Japan install base - Japanese gamers traditionally like Japanese style games. So, does Japan matter? Not really.

I say not really becasue the proof is in the numbers - the 360 gets just as much attention from 3rd party developers as the PS3 does; despite having a horrific install base in Japan. That is because it sells so well in the US and EU.

Your argument of "world wide sales US mean sh** in the great scheme of things" couldn't be further from the truth. If you took 30 million US sales of the PS3 away, and added it to Japan install base, would the PS3 still get as much 3rd party support from western developers? I think not.