Xbox One Developer Concedes That PS4 Is More Powerful

we already know Xbox One is quite weak with its measle 1.1 teraflop GPU 

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[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

Do that math. If you subtract 7-8 million from PS3 sales, where does it stand in regards to 360 sales?

StormyJoe

Do the math is you subtract 40+ million units the xbox sold in US were does it stand in regards to PS3 sales?

Is call world wide you idiot because it does include every part of the world,your point is stupid to begin with,world wide sales US mean sh** in the great scheme of things,world wide or nothing,you don't see Samsung just counting korean sales,or Apple just counting US sales.

I do not resort to name calling, so I would appreciate you doing the same. That being said...

What is the end goal of selling the most consoles? The answer is: when you have the biggest user base, you get the most attention from 3rd party developers. Western developers, who now dominate the industry, don't look at the Japan install base - Japanese gamers traditionally like Japanese style games. So, does Japan matter? Not really.

I say not really becasue the proof is in the numbers - the 360 gets just as much attention from 3rd party developers as the PS3 does; despite having a horrific install base in Japan. That is because it sells so well in the US and EU.

Your argument of "world wide sales US mean sh** in the great scheme of things" couldn't be further from the truth. If you took 30 million US sales of the PS3 away, and added it to Japan install base, would the PS3 still get as much 3rd party support from western developers? I think not.

Expect tormentos to convert any topics into fanboy wars.

I dont think anybody...at any stage...was under the impression the X1 was more powerful.

Every generation we see rumours of how a slightly more powerful console is somehow going to produce noticable differences in gameplay....it never comes to any real fruition.

Yes, the PS4 is so much more powerful it should be running games at 1080P/240FPS, wait it's having trouble running them at 60FPS.

 

No, you claimed PS4 has similar hardware to X1's LZ compression/decompression hardware, but the PS4 only Zlib decompression hardware (for the blu-ray loading).

I'm already aware of the two extra AMD Jaguar CPUs on the PS4.

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Note that AMD GCN's CUs can do LZ(e.g. WinZIP 16.5) type compression just fine. You haven't got the details right.

Your CPU driven LZ compression statement is LOL i.e. your statement alone just shows that you don't know the state of OpenCL on AMD GPUs.

 

Any AMDer would know WinZip 16.5 OpenCL.

http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/graphics/Pages/winzip-terms-and-conditions.aspx

http://www.winzip.com/win/en/amd.htm

The GPU wouldn't be gimped by CPU's I/O (<20 GB/s) limitations.

------------

 

Unlike you, I support all AMD based hardware** and I'm not in Sony's reality distortion field. Most of my statements goes beyond X1 vs PS4 i.e. SW is not limited by console wars.

ronvalencia

The PS4 support any compression the xbox one does,Jit compression is not and xbox one exclusive features is an old patent dude,the PS4 could use the CPU for it period without problems and you know it.

And yo claimed the xbox one had a Volcanic island,7790 and W5000s GPU,wait you also claim that GDDR5 on PS4 wil under perform based on a PC GPU that isn't even from the same series of cards,an that will not use the same memory controllers the PS4 will.

But wait didn't you try to say that GDDR5 had diminishing returns,but the comparison done,were old when GDDR5 ran at 2000+ mhz.?

Stop every day you have a damn theory on how the xbox one will be the  best thing since sliced bread,but the PS4 will be the worst thing to humanity since the guillotine.

 

I do not resort to name calling, so I would appreciate you doing the same. That being said...

What is the end goal of selling the most consoles? The answer is: when you have the biggest user base, you get the most attention from 3rd party developers. Western developers, who now dominate the industry, don't look at the Japan install base - Japanese gamers traditionally like Japanese style games. So, does Japan matter? Not really.

I say not really becasue the proof is in the numbers - the 360 gets just as much attention from 3rd party developers as the PS3 does; despite having a horrific install base in Japan. That is because it sells so well in the US and EU.

Your argument of "world wide sales US mean sh** in the great scheme of things" couldn't be further from the truth. If you took 30 million US sales of the PS3 away, and added it to Japan install base, would the PS3 still get as much 3rd party support from western developers? I think not.

StormyJoe

To win more.?

A sale is a sale it doesn't matter where it comes from,trying to act like Japan doesn't matter because they don't like the same 10 shooter re skinned is a joke.

The xbox 360 get as much attention because MS is paying them a sh** ton of money,just like they have now several time exclusive is no because developers love MS,is because they pay a fu** ton of money.

Funny thing MS had to pay developers to keep games that other wise would also land on PS3,so yeah even with less installed base in US the PS3 would have still get the games,and trying to act like only US matter is a joke..

Hell as of now the PS4 is selling faster in UK and US..

 

 

The xbox 360 get as much attention because MS is paying them a sh** ton of money,just like they have now several time exclusive is no because developers love MS,is because they pay a fu** ton of money.

Funny thing MS had to pay developers to keep games that other wise would also land on PS3

tormentos

link?

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

I do not resort to name calling, so I would appreciate you doing the same. That being said...

What is the end goal of selling the most consoles? The answer is: when you have the biggest user base, you get the most attention from 3rd party developers. Western developers, who now dominate the industry, don't look at the Japan install base - Japanese gamers traditionally like Japanese style games. So, does Japan matter? Not really.

I say not really becasue the proof is in the numbers - the 360 gets just as much attention from 3rd party developers as the PS3 does; despite having a horrific install base in Japan. That is because it sells so well in the US and EU.

Your argument of "world wide sales US mean sh** in the great scheme of things" couldn't be further from the truth. If you took 30 million US sales of the PS3 away, and added it to Japan install base, would the PS3 still get as much 3rd party support from western developers? I think not.

tormentos

To win more.?

A sale is a sale it doesn't matter where it comes from,trying to act like Japan doesn't matter because they don't like the same 10 shooter re skinned is a joke.

The xbox 360 get as much attention because MS is paying them a sh** ton of money,just like they have now several time exclusive is no because developers love MS,is because they pay a fu** ton of money.

Funny thing MS had to pay developers to keep games that other wise would also land on PS3,so yeah even with less installed base in US the PS3 would have still get the games,and trying to act like only US matter is a joke..

Hell as of now the PS4 is selling faster in UK and US..

"The xbox 360 get as much attention because MS is paying them a sh** ton of money,just like they have now several time exclusive is no because developers love MS,is because they pay a fu** ton of money."

Wow. Really? That's so not true. Sorry, tormentos, your credibility is now shot.

 

Expect tormentos to convert any topics into fanboy wars.

ronvalencia

Look whos talking so what GPU is inside the xbox one today Ron Titan.? 7990.?

 

"The xbox 360 get as much attention because MS is paying them a sh** ton of money,just like they have now several time exclusive is no because developers love MS,is because they pay a fu** ton of money."

Wow. Really? That's so not true. Sorry, tormentos, your credibility is now shot.

StormyJoe

Titanfall says high..:lol:

no they don't pay for exclusive,they even hike xbox live by $10 to give something to Activision why do you think maps come first on xbox 360 charity on Activision part.?:lol:

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

 

"The xbox 360 get as much attention because MS is paying them a sh** ton of money,just like they have now several time exclusive is no because developers love MS,is because they pay a fu** ton of money."

Wow. Really? That's so not true. Sorry, tormentos, your credibility is now shot.

tormentos

Titanfall says high..:lol:

no they don't pay for exclusive,they even hike xbox live by $10 to give something to Activision why do you think maps come first on xbox 360 charity on Activision part.?:lol:

what else does titanfall say because just saying the name of a game doesn't really do much.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

"The xbox 360 get as much attention because MS is paying them a sh** ton of money,just like they have now several time exclusive is no because developers love MS,is because they pay a fu** ton of money."

Wow. Really? That's so not true. Sorry, tormentos, your credibility is now shot.

tormentos

Titanfall says high..:lol:

no they don't pay for exclusive,they even hike xbox live by $10 to give something to Activision why do you think maps come first on xbox 360 charity on Activision part.?:lol:

OMG! ONE EXAMPLE! HOLY SH!T WAS I OWNED!!! :roll:

How do you explain CoD, Dragon Age, Fallout series, Elder Scroll Series, Battlefiled series, Bioshock series, etc...

You are incorrect, Tormentos. Just admit it and move on.

lol is eltormo actually making the claim again that Microsoft pays off reviewers, and developers, and that Sony has never ever done this? I watched him descened into a frothing at the mouth rabid mess the last time he claimed this it was actually quite enteraining.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

 

The xbox 360 get as much attention because MS is paying them a sh** ton of money,just like they have now several time exclusive is no because developers love MS,is because they pay a fu** ton of money.

Funny thing MS had to pay developers to keep games that other wise would also land on PS3

CaseyWegner

link?

Not exactly defending the guy, but it's common knowledge that MS invested in exclusive content on multiplatform games and/or timed exclusives to counter Sony's first and "second" party titles, during the most of this gen. With a simple google search on timed exclusives, exclusive dlc and 360 you'll see a lot of articles on this (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117610-UPDATE-E3-Microsoft-Touts-Exclusive-DLC-Deals).

You don't have to be a genious to see that this kind of business is being continued in next-gen (http://bf4central.com/2013/07/battlefield-4-second-assault-timed-exclusive-xbox-one/ and http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4348284/call-of-duty-ghosts-next-gen-xbox).

If you think MS does not pay for the exclusive content or timed exclusives, than why does that comes from "deals" from them with publishers?

It's just a business practice to try and respond to exclusive content available in the competition. Only that in this case it doesn't mean exclusive IPs, just exclusive access to some content in that IP.

I'm not saying that Sony didn't do the same. There was exclusive DLC on Batman AC on the PS3 for example. Just pointing that this was more prevalent on MS' approach than Sony's.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

The xbox 360 get as much attention because MS is paying them a sh** ton of money,just like they have now several time exclusive is no because developers love MS,is because they pay a fu** ton of money.

Funny thing MS had to pay developers to keep games that other wise would also land on PS3

SambaLele

link?

Not exactly defending the guy, but it's common knowledge that MS invested in exclusive content on multiplatform games and/or timed exclusives to counter Sony's first and "second" party titles, during the most of this gen. With a simple google search on timed exclusives, exclusive dlc and 360 you'll see a lot of articles on this (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117610-UPDATE-E3-Microsoft-Touts-Exclusive-DLC-Deals).

You don't have to be a genious to see that this kind of business is being continued in next-gen (http://bf4central.com/2013/07/battlefield-4-second-assault-timed-exclusive-xbox-one/ and http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4348284/call-of-duty-ghosts-next-gen-xbox).

If you think MS does not pay for the exclusive content or timed exclusives, than why does that comes from "deals" from them with publishers?

It's just a business practice to try and respond to exclusive content available in the competition. Only that in this case it doesn't mean exclusive IPs, just exclusive access to some content in that IP.

I'm not saying that Sony didn't do the same. There was exclusive DLC on Batman AC on the PS3 for example. Just pointing that this was more prevalent on MS' approach than Sony's.

The point is, that if the 360 did not have the userbase in the US and EU, the 3rd party development studios wouldn't even be making games for it.

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

link?

StormyJoe

Not exactly defending the guy, but it's common knowledge that MS invested in exclusive content on multiplatform games and/or timed exclusives to counter Sony's first and "second" party titles, during the most of this gen. With a simple google search on timed exclusives, exclusive dlc and 360 you'll see a lot of articles on this (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117610-UPDATE-E3-Microsoft-Touts-Exclusive-DLC-Deals).

You don't have to be a genious to see that this kind of business is being continued in next-gen (http://bf4central.com/2013/07/battlefield-4-second-assault-timed-exclusive-xbox-one/ and http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4348284/call-of-duty-ghosts-next-gen-xbox).

If you think MS does not pay for the exclusive content or timed exclusives, than why does that comes from "deals" from them with publishers?

It's just a business practice to try and respond to exclusive content available in the competition. Only that in this case it doesn't mean exclusive IPs, just exclusive access to some content in that IP.

I'm not saying that Sony didn't do the same. There was exclusive DLC on Batman AC on the PS3 for example. Just pointing that this was more prevalent on MS' approach than Sony's.

The point is, that if the 360 did not have the userbase in the US and EU, the 3rd party development studios wouldn't even be making games for it.

Now, that's brutally obvious. Was tormentos not agreeing with that?

Sorry, I didn't read all your discussion with him, but what is your point in the end? To say that MS has 3rd party support? I guess not, it goes without saying. Were you implying that MS does not need to pay for exclusive content from 3rd party companies? Or was it something else?

Lems are such tools. Paying more for a console that M$ has admitted is weaker :lol:

Lems are such tools. Paying more for a console that M$ has admitted is weaker :lol:

NathanDrakeSwag

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Lems are such tools. Paying more for a console that M$ has admitted is weaker :lol:

NathanDrakeSwag

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Caseytappy"]

Listen Nerd, who the hell cares about exact spec. differences apart from virgin basement dwellers ?

Here in the human World Playstation is again stronger than Xbox just like last gen. and the last three genererations weakest hardware sold the most .

Davekeeh

Now that is a first for me...:lol:

That is because those weaker consoles had better games,and releas before those stronger one,the PS1 and PS2 did not won because they were the weakest,in fact the DC was last ge weakest console no the PS2.

The wii won because of the gimmick which by now is dead and burry.

Lems are such tools. Paying more for a console that M$ has admitted is weaker :lol:

NathanDrakeSwag

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

 

No, you claimed PS4 has similar hardware to X1's LZ compression/decompression hardware, but the PS4 only Zlib decompression hardware (for the blu-ray loading).

I'm already aware of the two extra AMD Jaguar CPUs on the PS4.

-----------

 

Note that AMD GCN's CUs can do LZ(e.g. WinZIP 16.5) type compression just fine. You haven't got the details right.

Your CPU driven LZ compression statement is LOL i.e. your statement alone just shows that you don't know the state of OpenCL on AMD GPUs.

 

Any AMDer would know WinZip 16.5 OpenCL.

http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/graphics/Pages/winzip-terms-and-conditions.aspx

http://www.winzip.com/win/en/amd.htm

The GPU wouldn't be gimped by CPU's I/O (<20 GB/s) limitations.

------------

 

Unlike you, I support all AMD based hardware** and I'm not in Sony's reality distortion field. Most of my statements goes beyond X1 vs PS4 i.e. SW is not limited by console wars.

tormentos

The PS4 support any compression the xbox one does,Jit compression is not and xbox one exclusive features is an old patent dude,the PS4 could use the CPU for it period without problems and you know it.

And yo claimed the xbox one had a Volcanic island,7790 and W5000s GPU,wait you also claim that GDDR5 on PS4 wil under perform based on a PC GPU that isn't even from the same series of cards,an that will not use the same memory controllers the PS4 will.

But wait didn't you try to say that GDDR5 had diminishing returns,but the comparison done,were old when GDDR5 ran at 2000+ mhz.?

Stop every day you have a damn theory on how the xbox one will be the  best thing since sliced bread,but the PS4 will be the worst thing to humanity since the guillotine.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

 

No, you claimed PS4 has similar hardware to X1's LZ compression/decompression hardware, but the PS4 only Zlib decompression hardware (for the blu-ray loading).

I'm already aware of the two extra AMD Jaguar CPUs on the PS4.

-----------

 

Note that AMD GCN's CUs can do LZ(e.g. WinZIP 16.5) type compression just fine. You haven't got the details right.

Your CPU driven LZ compression statement is LOL i.e. your statement alone just shows that you don't know the state of OpenCL on AMD GPUs.

 

Any AMDer would know WinZip 16.5 OpenCL.

http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/graphics/Pages/winzip-terms-and-conditions.aspx

http://www.winzip.com/win/en/amd.htm

The GPU wouldn't be gimped by CPU's I/O (<20 GB/s) limitations.

------------

 

Unlike you, I support all AMD based hardware** and I'm not in Sony's reality distortion field. Most of my statements goes beyond X1 vs PS4 i.e. SW is not limited by console wars.

ronvalencia

The PS4 support any compression the xbox one does,Jit compression is not and xbox one exclusive features is an old patent dude,the PS4 could use the CPU for it period without problems and you know it.

And yo claimed the xbox one had a Volcanic island,7790 and W5000s GPU,wait you also claim that GDDR5 on PS4 wil under perform based on a PC GPU that isn't even from the same series of cards,an that will not use the same memory controllers the PS4 will.

But wait didn't you try to say that GDDR5 had diminishing returns,but the comparison done,were old when GDDR5 ran at 2000+ mhz.?

Stop every day you have a damn theory on how the xbox one will be the  best thing since sliced bread,but the PS4 will be the worst thing to humanity since the guillotine.

u forgot to post this

u forgot to post thisstereointegrity

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

The PS4 support any compression the xbox one does,Jit compression is not and xbox one exclusive features is an old patent dude,the PS4 could use the CPU for it period without problems and you know it.

And yo claimed the xbox one had a Volcanic island,7790 and W5000s GPU,wait you also claim that GDDR5 on PS4 wil under perform based on a PC GPU that isn't even from the same series of cards,an that will not use the same memory controllers the PS4 will.

But wait didn't you try to say that GDDR5 had diminishing returns,but the comparison done,were old when GDDR5 ran at 2000+ mhz.?

Stop every day you have a damn theory on how the xbox one will be the best thing since sliced bread,but the PS4 will be the worst thing to humanity since the guillotine.

stereointegrity

u forgot to post this

It's use to illustrate 49.9 precent additional performance gap between the estimated 12 CU GCN to 18 CU GCN i.e. 31 fps vs 47 fps.

[QUOTE="Caseytappy"]

 

Listen Nerd, who the hell cares about exact spec. differences apart from virgin basement dwellers ?

Here in the human World Playstation is again stronger than Xbox just like last gen. and the last three genererations weakest hardware sold the most .

tormentos

Now that is a first for me...:lol:

That is because those weaker consoles had better games,and releas before those stronger one,the PS1 and PS2 did not won because they were the weakest,in fact the DC was last ge weakest console no the PS2.

The wii won because of the gimmick which by now is dead and burry.

Of course they won because of the better games so what use is all that Nerd babbeling about better hardware and specs then .

Somehow it all shot over your head like usual, you and the oily muscle man lover .

 

Titanfall says high..:lol:

 

tormentos

What the hell does that even mean , how high .....two feet ?

Are you high ?

"Ryse reminded me of Darksiders II.".....

Graphically or gameplaywise? I believe both claims would spark debate.

lol they look as good as games on a highend pc ROFL

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

 

The xbox 360 get as much attention because MS is paying them a sh** ton of money,just like they have now several time exclusive is no because developers love MS,is because they pay a fu** ton of money.

Funny thing MS had to pay developers to keep games that other wise would also land on PS3

CaseyWegner

link?

Link to what.?

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

Not exactly defending the guy, but it's common knowledge that MS invested in exclusive content on multiplatform games and/or timed exclusives to counter Sony's first and "second" party titles, during the most of this gen. With a simple google search on timed exclusives, exclusive dlc and 360 you'll see a lot of articles on this (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117610-UPDATE-E3-Microsoft-Touts-Exclusive-DLC-Deals).

You don't have to be a genious to see that this kind of business is being continued in next-gen (http://bf4central.com/2013/07/battlefield-4-second-assault-timed-exclusive-xbox-one/ and http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4348284/call-of-duty-ghosts-next-gen-xbox).

If you think MS does not pay for the exclusive content or timed exclusives, than why does that comes from "deals" from them with publishers?

It's just a business practice to try and respond to exclusive content available in the competition. Only that in this case it doesn't mean exclusive IPs, just exclusive access to some content in that IP.

I'm not saying that Sony didn't do the same. There was exclusive DLC on Batman AC on the PS3 for example. Just pointing that this was more prevalent on MS' approach than Sony's.

SambaLele

The point is, that if the 360 did not have the userbase in the US and EU, the 3rd party development studios wouldn't even be making games for it.

Now, that's brutally obvious. Was tormentos not agreeing with that?

Sorry, I didn't read all your discussion with him, but what is your point in the end? To say that MS has 3rd party support? I guess not, it goes without saying. Were you implying that MS does not need to pay for exclusive content from 3rd party companies? Or was it something else?

He said that the only reason the 360 had third party support was that "MS has a sh!t load of money, and paid developers for it." I said that wasn't true.

i swear sw is full of a bunch of basement dwellin roaches that cling to anything. the last time the strongest console won is the nes. the weakest console won the last 2 gens. last gen it was all about games, now it's all about specs? f'n hypocrites. not to mention all the games runnin lower than 30fps right now. back to the point tho, almost every great game we've seen on ps4 is a console multiplat. now, if i can play all the ps4 great launch games, play the great x1 exclusives with similar graphics and more entertainment options all while being apart of live with over 300000 dedicated servers, what would be the point of getting a ps4 at launch? the only positive is i'll save $40 (have to buy ps+).

Yeah on paper and same with 360 & PS3 but it didn't stop MS from besting Sony this gen.

 

what else does titanfall say because just saying the name of a game doesn't really do much.

CaseyWegner

If you actually read the complete argument you would know..

http://www.gamesradar.com/paying-exclusivity-why-its-here-stay/

In case you want to play blind paying for exclusive is something done by MS to no end,not that sony did not do it at one time long ago.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

 

"The xbox 360 get as much attention because MS is paying them a sh** ton of money,just like they have now several time exclusive is no because developers love MS,is because they pay a fu** ton of money."

Wow. Really? That's so not true. Sorry, tormentos, your credibility is now shot.

StormyJoe

Titanfall says high..:lol:

no they don't pay for exclusive,they even hike xbox live by $10 to give something to Activision why do you think maps come first on xbox 360 charity on Activision part.?:lol:

OMG! ONE EXAMPLE! HOLY SH!T WAS I OWNED!!! :roll:

How do you explain CoD, Dragon Age, Fallout series, Elder Scroll Series, Battlefiled series, Bioshock series, etc...

You are incorrect, Tormentos. Just admit it and move on.

http://www.gamesradar.com/paying-exclusivity-why-its-here-stay/

:lol:

But but MS doesn't pay for exclusive developers just love MS.

lol is eltormo actually making the claim again that Microsoft pays off reviewers, and developers, and that Sony has never ever done this? I watched him descened into a frothing at the mouth rabid mess the last time he claimed this it was actually quite enteraining.

WilliamRLBaker

Quote me saying that sony hasn't done anything on this thread you big cry baby..:lol:

 

The point is, that if the 360 did not have the userbase in the US and EU, the 3rd party development studios wouldn't even be making games for it.

StormyJoe

So the original xbox got no games.?

Trying to imply that developers put games on xbox because MS just has a user base is silly,fact is not only MS get exclusive by paying,but also pay to stop games from releasing at the same time on PS,time exclusive.

In the end it si MS who suffer mores,it trow millios away for nothing and just stop the games from flowing for a few months or a year,while sony invest the money on exclusives like Uncharted and TLOU that will never ever land on xbox.

Hell TLOU is doing great sales wise and will never be on xbox.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

The point is, that if the 360 did not have the userbase in the US and EU, the 3rd party development studios wouldn't even be making games for it.

tormentos

So the original xbox got no games.?

Trying to imply that developers put games on xbox because MS just has a user base is silly,fact is not only MS get exclusive by paying,but also pay to stop games from releasing at the same time on PS,time exclusive.

In the end it si MS who suffer mores,it trow millios away for nothing and just stop the games from flowing for a few months or a year,while sony invest the money on exclusives like Uncharted and TLOU that will never ever land on xbox.

Hell TLOU is doing great sales wise and will never be on xbox.

In some cases, companies do pay for exclusitivity - Bayonetta 2, Demon's Souls, etc. However, it is certainly not the norm. It's is buisness 101 - you make your product available to the biggest audience possible. To say "Trying to imply that developers put games on xbox because MS just has a user base is silly" is a quite naive thing to say.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

The point is, that if the 360 did not have the userbase in the US and EU, the 3rd party development studios wouldn't even be making games for it.

StormyJoe

So the original xbox got no games.?

Trying to imply that developers put games on xbox because MS just has a user base is silly,fact is not only MS get exclusive by paying,but also pay to stop games from releasing at the same time on PS,time exclusive.

In the end it si MS who suffer mores,it trow millios away for nothing and just stop the games from flowing for a few months or a year,while sony invest the money on exclusives like Uncharted and TLOU that will never ever land on xbox.

Hell TLOU is doing great sales wise and will never be on xbox.

In some cases, companies do pay for exclusitivity - Bayonetta 2, Demon's Souls, etc. However, it is certainly not the norm. It's is buisness 101 - you make your product available to the biggest audience possible. To say "Trying to imply that developers put games on xbox because MS just has a user base is silly" is a quite naive thing to say.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

what else does titanfall say because just saying the name of a game doesn't really do much.

tormentos

If you actually read the complete argument you would know..

http://www.gamesradar.com/paying-exclusivity-why-its-here-stay/

In case you want to play blind paying for exclusive is something done by MS to no end,not that sony did not do it at one time long ago.

Sony just buys companies e.g. Naughty Dog (2001), Guerrilla Games (2005) and 'etc'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Sony_Corporation

In other news water is wet.

More powerful

$100 cheaper

currently smoking XB1 in pre orders

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Pretty much every developer has noted that the gap is marginal at best. DrTrafalgarLaw

We'll find the truth out soon enough..

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Pretty much every developer has noted that the gap is marginal at best. EnergyAbsorber

We'll find the truth out soon enough..

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[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] 50% stronger GPU is not marginal, it's phenomenal.ShaineTheNerd

We'll find the truth out soon enough..

The PS4 GPU is 50% more powerful than the XBox One GPU, and the XBox One GPU is 33% less powerful than the PS4 GPU. It just depends on how you look at it...superclocked

i swear sw is full of a bunch of basement dwellin roaches that cling to anything. the last time the strongest console won is the nes. the weakest console won the last 2 gens. last gen it was all about games, now it's all about specs? f'n hypocrites. not to mention all the games runnin lower than 30fps right now. back to the point tho, almost every great game we've seen on ps4 is a console multiplat. now, if i can play all the ps4 great launch games, play the great x1 exclusives with similar graphics and more entertainment options all while being apart of live with over 300000 dedicated servers, what would be the point of getting a ps4 at launch? the only positive is i'll save $40 (have to buy ps+).

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Let me refresh you damn memory since your bias doesn't let you remember well what happen between the xbox and PS2.

The xbox one and Ps4 will launch this year both very close,one is stronger than the other while been cheaper,now lets compare this to last gen.

The PS2 launch on March 4 2000,when it launch it was the most powerful console and was more powerful than most $1500 dollar PC as well,the xbox was release on November 2001,as you can see the PS2 was the strongest console on the market for 20 months,until the xbox arrived,by the time the xbox arrived the PS2 had like 22 million units sold and had a super line up of games here are some of the games Halo had to compete with on 2001.

GT3 which was high rated.

GTA3 which was high rated and a huge successful hit.

MGS2 which was again high rated.

FFX which was also high rated.

DMC high rated as well,and a truck load of fillers that were also good.

The xbox was so out gunned it wasn't even funny to compare it with the PS2,now this year the xbox and PS4 release and both have good games the xbox one doesn't have a huge advantage like the PS2 did.

The same could be say about teh N64 and the PS1,when the N64 arrived it was to late.

The whole 300,000 will be ready for 2015 not this holiday,the whole cloud is a hoax,and is just dedicated servers for games,which even the Ps3 has had in greater quantity than xbox live.