xbox x not so true 4k as told

https://news.xbox.com/2017/06/11/new-packaging-icons-xbox/

"A game has a 2160p frame buffer output. That includes Native 4K, Checkerboarding, and Dynamic Resolution."

which means they placed the same standard as pro LMAO already backpedalling, bbb bbbut it is so powerfull the only true 4k console.

fyi: most ps4-pro games already run at 4k native!

they already know jaguar cpu will dogshit in their face, can't wait

And the post E3 meltdowns and DC'ing continue. Mighty X1X baby, nothing else even comes close to the True 4K Powah of One.... X. :P

@SecretPolice: ps4-pro also does true 4k and it's cheaper and better games.

i figured as much.

just like the Pro alot of AAA games will be checkerboard and dynamic resolution the X1X.

More lies from MS...*shocker*

WOW. The Sony fannies are truly loosing it. Suicide watch has to be called.

With regards to true 4k. MS promise this for their games and left the decision for developers with regards to supporting 4k or not. This was known prior to E3 that 4k is NOT an Xbox Requirement.

....and so it begins.

Cue the damage control lemming hordes.

Poo's been out for a while now, what games are doing Native 4K? And games with Atari 2600 visuals and assets don't count. lol :P

Damn a lot of topics about Xbox since the Sony conference. I would've thought they had something good to share, but the insecurity really is alive again. Like it was in 2013-2014 when PS barely had any decent game and cows preferred talking about flaws on the Xbox instead of their empty library

Phil Spencer : XboneX is a "true" 4k console.

AC : Origins is dynamic 4k on Xbonex. Phil Spencer is a dumbass

http://gearnuke.com/assassins-creed-origins-runs-dynamic-4k-resolution-xbox-one-x-frame-rate-not-decided/

What damage control? Please tell what would be the damage control for something that was already known. I look forward to your response.

What happened to the "True 4K gaming console" bullshit we heard from MS at E3?

Cows are really having a hard time that Microsoft has the strongest console, with true 4K

Fixed.

Lies. Can you show me a game on the OneX where it is upscaled? Because I can show you games where it's pure True 4K

He was not talking about the PS4 Pro.

Any game logic that runs on the PS4 CPU will run at the same frame rate at 4k on Scorpio.

The fact you don't know how this works makes your creation of this thread a bit ironic.

Stop with the hardware talk. It's a no win situation for you. It's a damn strong console that will most likely have a majority of titles in native 4k.

Just shows people here are clueless about gaming with these topics. You would think for a gaming forum people would be more knowledgable.

Pretty sure MS stated before that third party can target any resolution/method they want to use. Now if MS first party is 4k with these techniques then i could see the arguement.

Just sad we have to put up with these stupid topics that are all the rage because people fail to comprehend.

Desperate times call for stronger ignorance and arrogance.

That shouldn't surprise anybody. 4k is a ridiculous resolution to render and the Xbox One X still has fixed hardware. As fidelity increases, hitting that 4k mark gets more and more difficult for aging hardware.

It's still a better 4k machine than the PS4 Pro. Significantly more powerful and has a 4k Blu-Ray player.

Anyone expecting to play games in 4K on a console and not on PC, is in for a big surprise to find out it was a lie XD

So the games that are in 4K are lying?

What did Sony say in there conference about 4k?????

hmm not a lot is the correct answer.

Of course there will be games that don't run in Native 4k, Microsoft never said they would get 720p games on Xbox One to 4k on One X.

But Sony know when they are beat in this area and the TC should learn this to.

lol all these silly lem comments made me laugh they backpedal just as fast as phil spencer.

xbox one x is not a true 4k console there goes their advantage, ohh and gt ps-pro 4k looks damn better then forza 7 lol

All hardware has limits and the difference hardware has different limits.

Gears of War 4 with 4K PC examples with reference to X1X's Gears of War 4 4K result.

http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/gears-of-war-4-test-gpu

The old MSI R9-390X is overclock to 6.195 TFLOPS and non-CU hardware clock speed is similar to X1X's 1172 Mhz and notice how R9-390X at 6.195 TFLOPS close to GTX 1070 SC.

MSI RX-480 GX is overclocked to 6.06 TFLOPS which dips under 30 fps.

MS's first party games on Scorpio would be 4K which is another indication it's not another RX-480 over clocked to 6 TFLOPS.

I was about to give you an answer but Wasdie beat me to it.

(See his post above me)

Just keep in mind, it's up to developers.

@ronvalencia: i don't care about your numbers fact is xbox one x is not a true 4k capable machine as advertised by scam MS.

AC is already dynamic and it doesn't even lo k better then horizon zero dawn base ps4 LOL. dat cpu already shitting

Current consoles will never push legit 4K because consoles will never sell well if they cost more than $500. Corners will be cut. Detailes will be removed. The overall quality of the visuals will be compromised. You get what you pay for.

If you're serious about gaming as a hobby consoles should be secondary anyway.

@davillain-: A big fat stinking lie or an asterisk.

Xbox One X > Pro

Does that mean Horizon Zero Dawn ps4 pro support gets a 4K Ultra HD label? Anyways on this topic. Agree with what has been said, XB1X will have more native 4k games especially from first party.

Gears of War 4 at 4K with high settings on GTX 1070 SC (Super Overclock) still fails to reach 60 fps e.g. 53 fps average with 39 fps minimum.

Old MSI R9-390X is overclock to 1100Mhz (6.195 TFLOPS) has 42.9 fps average with 33.9 fps minimum. To sustain 30 fps, additional head room would be reserved.

At 4K, there's a high probability for GPU and memory bandwidth bound issues.

https://mspoweruser.com/heres-a-list-of-games-that-run-at-4k-on-xbox-one-x/

Only list I could find, all native 4k according to site

Not a bad start and already kicks the PS4 Pro's arse.

MS cant control with other developers do....

They have said all of THEIR titles will be native, but if Ubisoft wants 1440p and checkerboarding...........what can you do?

Stuff like this is why I was most angry that MS didn't correctly push the Scorpio. SW could've had this all day for the next 3yrs...blood, guts, and the return of glory! Twas not to be.

Truthfacts

Crazy cow disease strikes again!

1st, no, most of PS4 Pro games don't run at 4k. Second, it was stated countless times by MS that it's up to developers to choose how to apply the available resources. So, kind of a useless thread.

@tdkmillsy: so much fail lol

AC is dynamic stopped reading after

Actually no false. Xbox one x is more powerful. They already announced a long list of 4k native games online.

wait, how many games run at native 4k on the pro?

Perhaps you should read the rest cost they are all 4k native

Again, all hardware has limits and the difference hardware has different limits. At 4K resolution, it's mostly GPU bound issues not CPU.

GTX 1070 dips below 30 fps at 4K with very high settings and it's not even ultra settings.

980 Ti Amp Extreme was able keep the minimum frame rate higher than 30 fps was mostly due to higher physical memory bandwidth.

Dipping below 30 fps would require dynamic resolution workaround.

Makes sense for a developer to use Dynamic resolution so I can adapt across platforms. Doesn't mean it wont run at full 4k on Xbox One X.

So the lemmings and ms it self have been selling this platform as a true 4k machine and it hasn't even launch and the first dynamic game hit is a joke i told you lemmings that this machine wasn't as powerful as you thought but you dont listen..

The damage control is epic..lol

No. They're automatically above Pro standards based on specs alone. MS isn't going to mandate to developers to forcefully render their games in 4k native...every single game, at the detriment to all other visual and performance aspects.

None of this is news. There were leaked white paper tech documents out awhile ago where MS people were going over for devs the different methods they could use to achieve a 4k resolution, if native 4k wasn't the best option for their specific game.

There is no backpedaling. Nothing to backpedal from. Forza 7 and other games will run in native 4k.

Most Pro games do not run in native 4k. The Sony flagship game HZD runs checkerboarded, not native.

X1X will outperform the Pro on every single multiplat. No amount of trolling will change this.

Microsoft store also sells PNY NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1080.

FreeSync supports already implies not all games would be 60 fps. Again, all hardware has limits and the difference hardware has different limits.

At 4K, RX-470 4 GB (hence PS4 Pro) class GPU is worst than MSI R9-390X 8 GB at 1100 Mhz OC and GTX 1070 8 GB.