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#651 Forza_2
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Well PC games always have the potential to look better and preform better that is a fact. Everything else is an opinion or preference. Soaccording to the facts PC games are better. smokeydabear076
The PC version always has the potential to have extra content and extra options. But according to some people in this thread, that wouldn't make the game better.

It only matter when you like the genre, amirite ?

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Except that the PC does have, for the most part, the version with the better graphics thanks to higher resolution support, better sound thanks to EAX, and more content thank to mods. It is undubetably the technically superior version.Forza_2

That doesn't make it better. You know why ? Because I can just claim that I don't like whatever genre the game is and that's fine.

How does you not liking it change the fact that PC can do higher resolution, higher AA, higher AF etc.:roll:

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#653 froidnite
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Well PC games always have the potential to look better and preform better that is a fact. Everything else is an opinion or preference. Soaccording to the facts PC games are better. Forza_2

The PC version always has the potential to have extra content and extra options. But according to some people in this thread, that wouldn't make the game better.

It only matter when you like the genre, amirite ?

Don't use crap a** analogies....how did you draw that conclusion from our argument?
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And do you realize that there are FREE games that are FUN to play and are not within the 3 genres that you mentioned? I don't understand why non of the PC gamers in here admit to playing flash games or free community games like B.Y.O.N.D. They will only play something if it has a $50 tag on it.
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#655 Forza_2
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How does you not liking it change the fact that...froidnite
Isn't that what you've been arguing against all along ?

PC lacks certain genre, it comes down to preference in this case if it's a weakness or strength !

PC technically has extra options when it comes to multiplatform games, but that doesn't come down to preference if it's a weakness or strength ?

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#656 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="froidnite"]How does you not liking it change the fact that...Forza_2

Isn't that what you've been arguing against all along ?

PC lacks certain genre, it comes down to preference in this case if it's a weakness or strength !

PC technically has extra options when it comes to multiplatform games, but that doesn't come down to preference if it's a weakness or strength ?

The PC has the undeniably techincally superior version.
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#657 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Well PC games always have the potential to look better and preform better that is a fact. Everything else is an opinion or preference. Soaccording to the facts PC games are better. Forza_2

The PC version always has the potential to have extra content and extra options. But according to some people in this thread, that wouldn't make the game better.

It only matter when you like the genre, amirite ?

You are breaking off from the OP. The OP is about genres the discussion is about genres. You are talking about individual games and relating them to the genre discussion. It really doesn't make sense.

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#658 Forza_2
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The PC has the undeniably techincally superior version. Vandalvideo
Really ? I said that already like three times now...

:?

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#659 froidnite
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[QUOTE="froidnite"]How does you not liking it change the fact that...Forza_2

Isn't that what you've been arguing against all along ?

PC lacks certain genre, it comes down to preference in this case if it's a weakness or strength !

PC technically has extra options when it comes to multiplatform games, but that doesn't come down to preference if it's a weakness or strength ?

I'll find a guy who doesn't think having JRPG's and fighters is a strength.....find me a sane person who doesn't thing extra options(which can be turned off if wanted) is not a strength

PS:Your argument would have been valid if PC's alternative can offer all options PC's can + jrpg's and fighters just like PC can do everything a console can do with a multiplat titlw + extra options

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#661 Forza_2
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I'll find a guy who doesn't think having JRPG's and fighters is a strength.....find me a sane person who doesn't thing extra options(which can be turned off if wanted) is not a strengthfroidnite

My PC can't run UT3 properly... my 360 can ! So, which one is the best version for me ?

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#662 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="froidnite"]How does you not liking it change the fact that...froidnite

Isn't that what you've been arguing against all along ?

PC lacks certain genre, it comes down to preference in this case if it's a weakness or strength !

PC technically has extra options when it comes to multiplatform games, but that doesn't come down to preference if it's a weakness or strength ?

I'll find a guy who doesn't think having JRPG's and fighters is a strength.....find me a sane person who doesn't thing extra options(which can be turned off if wanted) is not a strength

PS:Your argument would have been valid if PC's alternative can offer all options PC's can + jrpg's and fighters just like PC can do everything a console can do with a multiplat titlw + extra options

This isn't about having the better version of a game anyway. This topic is about the PC having a weakness because it doesn't have strong support for 2 genres most PC gamers don't care about.
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#663 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="froidnite"]I'll find a guy who doesn't think having JRPG's and fighters is a strength.....find me a sane person who doesn't thing extra options(which can be turned off if wanted) is not a strengthForza_2

My PC can't run UT3 properly... my 360 can ! So, which one is the best version for me ?

The PC version is better, your PC sucks.
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Atleast with PCs, you dont have to deal with that monoploy crap that is Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo (not soo much ninty).
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#665 froidnite
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[QUOTE="froidnite"]I'll find a guy who doesn't think having JRPG's and fighters is a strength.....find me a sane person who doesn't thing extra options(which can be turned off if wanted) is not a strengthForza_2

My PC can't run UT3 properly... my 360 can ! So, which one is the best version for me ?

Doesn't matter.....PC technically can do everything consoles can with UT3+ more = PC version better

Beside, this thread isn't about PC or consoles being better....it's about a guy "X" who should also consider PC is bad because it doesn't have JRPG/fighter even though the person "X" doesn't care about those genres.

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#666 Forza_2
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The PC version is better, your PC sucks.smokeydabear076
Why does it come down to preference if it's a weakness or strength when PC lacks a few popular genres ?

Wouldn't more popular genres help the PC platform ?

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#667 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]The PC version is better, your PC sucks.Forza_2

Why does it come down to preference if it's a weakness or strength when PC lacks a few popular genres ?

Wouldn't more popular genres help the PC platform ?

Or hinder, depends on your stance.
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#668 froidnite
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]The PC version is better, your PC sucks.Forza_2

Why does it come down to preference if it's a weakness or strength when PC lacks a few popular genres ?

Wouldn't more populargenres help the PC platform ?

Lack of positives != negative

It's the same as saying....PC has a weakness because it has only 40 AA and not 44AA. Wouldn't 44 AA make PC more popular:roll:

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#669 Forza_2
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Or hinder, depends on your stance.Vandalvideo
I'm not talking about opinion, I'm talking about the platform.

Let's pretend that PC has quality games on every single genre. Doesn't that mean it has no weakness when it comes to variety ?

I don't think it's an easy discussion, though. One can argue that it is a weakness, and that it isn't.

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#670 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]The PC version is better, your PC sucks.Forza_2

Why does it come down to preference if it's a weakness or strength when PC lacks a few popular genres ?

Wouldn't more popular genres help the PC platform ?

If the genres were in popular demand for the PC they would exist.
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#671 Forza_2
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If the genres were in popular demand for the PC they would exist.smokeydabear076
There's not that many JRPGs on PC... So, it's hard to know.
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#672 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]If the genres were in popular demand for the PC they would exist.Forza_2
There's not that many JRPGs on PC... So, it's hard to know.

Because people don't want them.
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#673 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Or hinder, depends on your stance.Forza_2

I'm not talking about opinion, I'm talking about the platform.

Let's pretend that PC has quality games on every single genre. Doesn't that mean it has no weakness when it comes to variety ?

I don't think it's an easy discussion, though. One can argue that it is a weakness, and that it isn't.

We're talking about overall weakness. The viewpoint could be port forth that more variety could ultimately hinder the PC, and it would be a weakness.
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#674 Forza_2
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Because people don't want them.smokeydabear076
What makes you so sure of that ?

You do know that are only a few successful JRPGs on consoles, right ?

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#675 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]honestly how many dedicated PC gamers want to play fighters, JRPG's or platformers?svp0123

how about action games like dead rising, god of war and ninja gaiden. consoles have them beat.

plus 0 platforms on PC as well.

0 Platformers on PC? Um Psychonauts anyone?

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#676 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Because people don't want them.Forza_2

What makes you so sure of that ?

You do know that are only a few successful JRPGs on consoles, right ?

So JRPGs lack massive success on consoles.....why would they be successful on a platform which has close to zero demand for those types of games?
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[QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]If the genres were in popular demand for the PC they would exist.smokeydabear076
There's not that many JRPGs on PC... So, it's hard to know.

Because people don't want them.

These people actually believe that publishers are stupid enough to leave out a market. Face it.....if there was even a tiny bit of interest shown by PC gamers to any of those genres, there would've been many games from those genres. PC's are not like consoles which are limited by a single controller(which makes it difficult to develop games of certain genre even though there is a demand)
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#678 Forza_2
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So JRPGs lack massive success on consoles.....why would they be successful on a platform which has close to zero demand for those types of games?smokeydabear076
Dude, how do you know there's no demand for JRPGs on PC ? How many JRPGs went to PC, really ?
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#679 froidnite
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Because people don't want them.Forza_2

What makes you so sure of that ?

You do know that are only a few successful JRPGs on consoles, right ?

Why are you ignoring my post which said lack of +ve!=-ve :roll:
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#680 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]So JRPGs lack massive success on consoles.....why would they be successful on a platform which has close to zero demand for those types of games?Forza_2
Dude, how do you know there's no demand for JRPGs on PC ? How many JRPGs went to PC, really ?

How do you know there is a demand? Based on what we see right now, PC has never been big with JRPGs. Why would that change today?
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#681 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]So JRPGs lack massive success on consoles.....why would they be successful on a platform which has close to zero demand for those types of games?Forza_2
Dude, how do you know there's no demand for JRPGs on PC ? How many JRPGs went to PC, really ?

Ys, Sudeki, FF, Megaten, and a few others.
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#682 Forza_2
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Why are you ignoring my post which said lack of +ve!=-ve :roll:froidnite
I'm not even talking about that anymore.

I'm asking why he's so sure that PC gamers don't want JRPGs.

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#683 froidnite
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]So JRPGs lack massive success on consoles.....why would they be successful on a platform which has close to zero demand for those types of games?Forza_2
Dude, how do you know there's no demand for JRPGs on PC ? How many JRPGs went to PC, really ?

Because game publishers obviously know more than some random guy in the internet and would've publuished a few games on PC if there was any demand. First part of this post you argue publishers unwillingness to publish on PC and now this....Jeeez
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How do you know there is a demand? Based on what we see right now, PC has never been big with JRPGs. Why would that change today?smokeydabear076
I don't know if there's a demand. You are the one stating that there is none.
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#685 froidnite
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[QUOTE="froidnite"]Why are you ignoring my post which said lack of +ve!=-ve :roll:Forza_2

I'm not even talking about that anymore.

I'm asking why he's so sure that PC gamers don't want JRPGs.

So you accept what I told and see above post for my answer to your question
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[QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Because people don't want them.smokeydabear076

What makes you so sure of that ?

You do know that are only a few successful JRPGs on consoles, right ?

So JRPGs lack massive success on consoles.....why would they be successful on a platform which has close to zero demand for those types of games?

:lol: that gave me a hearty chuckle.

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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]How do you know there is a demand? Based on what we see right now, PC has never been big with JRPGs. Why would that change today?Forza_2
I don't know if there's a demand. You are the one stating that there is none.

If there was a demand they would be ported. The laws of supply and demand. People want to make money.
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Because game publishers obviously know more than some random guy in the internet and would've publuished a few games on PC if there was any demand. First part of this post you argue publishers unwillingness to publish on PC and now this....Jeeezfroidnite

You're too close-minded. Times change. Just because PC gamers didn't buy the very few JRPGs that went to PC, it doesn't mean they don't want JRPGs.

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#689 froidnite
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]How do you know there is a demand? Based on what we see right now, PC has never been big with JRPGs. Why would that change today?Forza_2
I don't know if there's a demand. You are the one stating that there is none.

If there is money to be made bringing fighters/Jrpg's you can bet your a** that someone would try doing it....since that's not the case(accoding to your argument in first half of this thread), one could reason there is no demand.
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#690 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]How do you know there is a demand? Based on what we see right now, PC has never been big with JRPGs. Why would that change today?Forza_2
I don't know if there's a demand. You are the one stating that there is none.

I said close to zero not none. Anyways the fact that you can't tell me there is a demand only reinforces my point.
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#691 Forza_2
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If there is money to be made bringing fighters/Jrpg's you can bet your a** that someone would try doing it.froidnite
How do they know that, exactly ?

If there were many JRPGs and fighting games on PC and they all sold like crap, then yes.

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#692 froidnite
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[QUOTE="froidnite"]Because game publishers obviously know more than some random guy in the internet and would've publuished a few games on PC if there was any demand. First part of this post you argue publishers unwillingness to publish on PC and now this....JeeezForza_2

You're too close-minded. Times change. Just because PC gamers didn't buy the very few JRPGs that went to PC, it doesn't mean they don't want JRPGs.

Then give me one proper reason publishers aren't bringing it to the PC.....just one.
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#693 Forza_2
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I said close to zero not none. Anyways the fact that you can't tell me there is a demand only reinforces my point.smokeydabear076
The only way to reinforce your point would be if there was plenty of said genres on PC and they all sold like crap.

You do know people just don't go out buying games based on genres alone ! They want quality games as well.

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[QUOTE="froidnite"]If there is money to be made bringing fighters/Jrpg's you can bet your a** that someone would try doing it.Forza_2

How do they know that, exactly ?

If there were many JRPGs and fighting games on PC and they all sold like crap, then yes.

So your basically saying a large number of games needs to have abysmal sales for publishers to come to conclusion that there is no demand for their product
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#695 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I said close to zero not none. Anyways the fact that you can't tell me there is a demand only reinforces my point.Forza_2

The only way to reinforce your point would be if there was plenty of said genres on PC and they all sold like crap.

You do know people just don't go out buying games based on genres alone ! They want quality games as well.

The games have to exist to be purchased.
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Then give me one proper reason publishers aren't bringing it to the PC.....just one.froidnite
How should I know ? Maybe they are making enough money on PS2 that they don't feel like porting it to other consoles.
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[QUOTE="froidnite"]Then give me one proper reason publishers aren't bringing it to the PC.....just one.Forza_2
How should I know ? Maybe they are making enough money on PS2 that they don't feel like porting it to other consoles.

Yeah, because businesses are going to be content with "enough money"..... If a company sees a worthy business venture they will explore it.
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#698 Forza_2
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The games have to exist to be purchased.smokeydabear076
And there has to be enough of them, don't you think ?

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#699 meetroid8
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Yep that is true. The PC doesn't have an abundance of several genres. But if you are a PC gamer and console gamer you get both and alot of gamers are to an extent.If you only own a PC I'm guessing your not that intersested in those genres anyway.
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#700 Forza_2
Member since 2007 • 3083 Posts

Yeah, because businesses are going to be content with "enough money"..... If a company sees a worthy business venture they will explore it.Vandalvideo
FF12 sold very well worldwide !

Why didn't SE port it to the 360 if they can make some money on it ?