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#551 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]The consoles lack the whole video game experience as well. There is really no point in singling out the PC.Blackbond

Yes I already established what the PC was undisputed at in the OP and further went into other genres along the way. Its obvious the PC has the fewest weakness amongst all platforms.

I have a question if this "weakness" isn't opinion based then why did you acknowledge it as so from the very beginning?

The way you guys have been acting is basically like saying more salt on fries is better then less salt on fries because it is more and not less and whatever you have to say about it doesn't matter because it is a fact that more is better then less.

And the way you guys have been acting is like less games is better and less genre's and a lesser selection of games is better.

I never said it was better. The whole time I have said that it isn't a strength, but it isn't a weakness either. For some reason you have trouble with that.

Here we go again more salt the better the fries are in your opinion. :roll:

This whole thing is opinion based. Some people could say less crap on the PC is a good thing.

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#552 Nerkcon
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

Whether you like to accept it or not people won't see something they don't care about missing as a weakness. When choosing a system I look for what I prefer. I am not going to be like omg the PC doesn't have a lot of games in these two genres that I don't give a crap about so that is a weak point. It isn't a strength to be lacking in genres, but when you don't give a crap about the lacking genres it it isn't a weakness.

The fact is a lot of you folks think it is a weakness because you like those genres. So your views have to be correct and anyone who doesn't give a **** about the genres has to agree with you or they are incorrect.

This is opinion based. Something you will never acknowledge because you think your view is correct.

Vandalvideo

People not caring doesn't eliminate the fact that the games don't exist. Lacking any part of the whole video game experience is a weakness. Or do handhelds not have the weakness of creating sit down console like experiences?

If you don't give a **** it doesn't matter. It still lacks it. It still doens't have it.

No one is denying the fact that they lack them at this point in time. However, lacking these genres isn't innately a bad thing, nor is it a weakness. It is your OPINION that its a weakness. It is not a fact.

When consoles lack something it's a fact but when the PC lacks something it's only an opinion/preference?

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#553 Vandalvideo
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When consoles lack something it's a fact but when the PC lacks something it's only an opinion/preference?Nerkcon
No no no. Its a fact the PC lacks these genres. It is not a fact this is an inherent flaw or weakness.
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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]When consoles lack something it's a fact but when the PC lacks something it's only an opinion/preference?Vandalvideo
No no no. Its a fact the PC lacks these genres. It is not a fact this is an inherent flaw or weakness.

But is in a weakness or flaw that consoles lack RTS and Sims?

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#555 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"]When consoles lack something it's a fact but when the PC lacks something it's only an opinion/preference?Nerkcon

No no no. Its a fact the PC lacks these genres. It is not a fact this is an inherent flaw or weakness.

But is in a weakness or flaw that consoles lack RTS and Sims?

One could hold that opinion, but its not a fact.
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#556 Blackbond
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So if I were to state that in my opinion this link isn't a weakness to the chain then it isn't a weakness to the chain correct?

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#557 Vandalvideo
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So if I were to state that in my opinion this link isn't a weakness to the chain then it isn't a weakness to the chain correct?Blackbond
You're using a non-applicable analogy here. Tensile strength and the ammount of games a platform has are two very different meanings. A weakness as we are reffering to as a subjective observation inferred from the fact that there is a lack of something. Lemme put it this way. Someone may deem the lacking of a genre with indifference, in which case, it wouldn't be seen as an inherent flaw or weakness. Again, someone could spark the view that its bad to have too much variety on a system, and its a strength that it lacks the genre.
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#558 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]So if I were to state that in my opinion this link isn't a weakness to the chain then it isn't a weakness to the chain correct?Vandalvideo
You're using a non-applicable analogy here. Tensile strength and the ammount of games a platform has are two very different meanings. A weakness as we are reffering to as a subjective observation inferred from the fact that there is a lack of something. Lemme put it this way. Someone may deem the lacking of a genre with indifference, in which case, it wouldn't be seen as an inherent flaw or weakness. Again, someone could spark the view that its bad to have too much variety on a system, and its a strength that it lacks the genre.

How so? Tensile strength and the ammount of games are very applicable. The amount of games is how one measures the strength of a platform.

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#559 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]So if I were to state that in my opinion this link isn't a weakness to the chain then it isn't a weakness to the chain correct?Blackbond

You're using a non-applicable analogy here. Tensile strength and the ammount of games a platform has are two very different meanings. A weakness as we are reffering to as a subjective observation inferred from the fact that there is a lack of something. Lemme put it this way. Someone may deem the lacking of a genre with indifference, in which case, it wouldn't be seen as an inherent flaw or weakness. Again, someone could spark the view that its bad to have too much variety on a system, and its a strength that it lacks the genre.

How so? Tensile strength and the ammount of games are very applicable. The amount of games is how one measures the strength of a platform.

"How one" is a very important operative blockbond. Its funny you use that terminology. How one...how one....how an individual...how an individual views the strengths of a platform. You see? They are two very different things. The ammount of games isn't necessarily a direct indicator of the strength of the platform only, nor is variety. Its all opinions, individual observations.
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#560 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]So if I were to state that in my opinion this link isn't a weakness to the chain then it isn't a weakness to the chain correct?Vandalvideo

You're using a non-applicable analogy here. Tensile strength and the ammount of games a platform has are two very different meanings. A weakness as we are reffering to as a subjective observation inferred from the fact that there is a lack of something. Lemme put it this way. Someone may deem the lacking of a genre with indifference, in which case, it wouldn't be seen as an inherent flaw or weakness. Again, someone could spark the view that its bad to have too much variety on a system, and its a strength that it lacks the genre.

How so? Tensile strength and the ammount of games are very applicable. The amount of games is how one measures the strength of a platform.

"How one" is a very important operative blockbond. Its funny you use that terminology. How one...how one....how an individual...how an individual views the strengths of a platform. You see? They are two very different things. The ammount of games isn't necessarily a direct indicator of the strength of the platform only, nor is variety. Its all opinions, individual observations.

So what do you want me to say how 10, how 100, how everyone? The measurement of a platforms strength is in its games. Agree or disagree?

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#561 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]So if I were to state that in my opinion this link isn't a weakness to the chain then it isn't a weakness to the chain correct?Blackbond

You're using a non-applicable analogy here. Tensile strength and the ammount of games a platform has are two very different meanings. A weakness as we are reffering to as a subjective observation inferred from the fact that there is a lack of something. Lemme put it this way. Someone may deem the lacking of a genre with indifference, in which case, it wouldn't be seen as an inherent flaw or weakness. Again, someone could spark the view that its bad to have too much variety on a system, and its a strength that it lacks the genre.

How so? Tensile strength and the ammount of games are very applicable. The amount of games is how one measures the strength of a platform.

"How one" is a very important operative blockbond. Its funny you use that terminology. How one...how one....how an individual...how an individual views the strengths of a platform. You see? They are two very different things. The ammount of games isn't necessarily a direct indicator of the strength of the platform only, nor is variety. Its all opinions, individual observations.

So what do you want me to say how 10, how 100, how everyone? The measurement of a platforms strength is in its games. Agree or disagree?


The amount of games is how one measures the strength of a platform.

So the PC is the strongest. Notice you made no mention of variety only quantity.

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#562 Blackbond
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The amount of games is how one measures the strength of a platform.

So the PC is the strongest. Notice you made no mention of variety only quantity.

smokeydabear076

Have you not read the OP man? I already stated the PC is the strongest :|

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#563 Vandalvideo
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So what do you want me to say how 10, how 100, how everyone? The measurement of a platforms strength is in its games. Agree or disagree?Blackbond
Whether I agree or disagree is inconsequential. Its still an opinion.
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#564 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]


The amount of games is how one measures the strength of a platform.

So the PC is the strongest. Notice you made no mention of variety only quantity.

Blackbond

Have you not read the OP man? I already stated the PC is the strongest :|

Ok. Now you are making a complaint because the PC lacks two genres that you like and you are calling it a weakness. I am going to call it a strength because to me those genres are crap. The less crap the better IMO.

The thing that makes this discussion funny is that you said from the very beginning that it is "in your view" that it is a weakness.

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#565 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]So what do you want me to say how 10, how 100, how everyone? The measurement of a platforms strength is in its games. Agree or disagree?Vandalvideo
Whether I agree or disagree is inconsequential. Its still an opinion.

No and days everything is inconsequential and opinion.

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I am going to call it a strength because to me those genres are crap. The less crap the better IMO. smokeydabear076
How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?
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#567 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I am going to call it a strength because to me those genres are crap. The less crap the better IMO. Forza_2
How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?

I don't have to see them. I don't like to look at crap. Who does the inclusion of a genre that you could care less about help you in any way?
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#568 -TheSecondSign-
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I only play JRPGs on handhelds for some reason. As for fighters, meh, I don't care.
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#569 Forza_2
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I don't have to see them. I don't like to look at crap. smokeydabear076
That's not a valid reason. You don't have to look at fighting games unless you are looking for them.
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#570 AgentVX
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Since 99.9% of the tards here have a PC to even write there goofy fanboys responces, then most can play games on the PC.

And since most here have a console, then you have the best of both worlds. I could never image not havingboth a PC andconsole. Iabsolutely love games like Total War and Civ for the PC, and absolutely love games likeForza 2 and NHL 2008 for the console.

Having both is the ultimate gamers dream. Forget all the Wii/360 BS, It's all about the PC/360 or PC/Wii or PC/PS3 combo.

PC gaming rules as does consoles, each has their strengths and weaknesses. But a PC mixed with your choice of favorite console can't be beat, period.

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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I don't have to see them. I don't like to look at crap. Forza_2
That's not a valid reason. You don't have to look at fighting games unless you are looking for them.

Exactly. If you aren't looking for them why would you care about their absence?
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#572 Forza_2
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Exactly. If you aren't looking for them why would you care about their absence?smokeydabear076
You're not making any sense. How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Exactly. If you aren't looking for them why would you care about their absence?Forza_2
You're not making any sense. How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?

How does the inclusion of fighting games help me in any way?
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#574 Forza_2
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How does the inclusion of fighting games help me in any way?smokeydabear076

"I am going to call it a strength because to me those genres are crap. The less crap the better IMO."

How is that a strength when you claim that you don't care about it ?

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#575 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]How does the inclusion of fighting games help me in any way?Forza_2

"I am going to call it a strength because to me those genres are crap. The less crap the better IMO."

How is that a strength when you claim that you don't care about it ?

How is that a weakness if I don't care about it?
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Exactly. If you aren't looking for them why would you care about their absence?Forza_2
You're not making any sense. How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?

The PC developers won't spend their time with a genre that I don't care about. So they will spend their time with a genre that I do care about.
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#577 Forza_2
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How is that a weakness if I don't care about it?smokeydabear076
I don't remember calling it a weakness.
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#578 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]How is that a weakness if I don't care about it?Forza_2
I don't remember calling it a weakness.

Well then what is it to you?
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The PC developers won't spend their time with a genre that I don't care about. So they will spend their time with a genre that I do care about.smokeydabear076
What makes you think that those developers that make fighting games know how to make quality games of other genres ?

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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]The PC developers won't spend their time with a genre that I don't care about. So they will spend their time with a genre that I do care about.Forza_2

What makes you think that those developers that make fighting games know how to make quality games of other genres ?

What makes you think that they don't?
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[QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Exactly. If you aren't looking for them why would you care about their absence?smokeydabear076
You're not making any sense. How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?

How does the inclusion of fighting games help me in any way?

It doesn't help you it if you don't like it but it helps the PC game library by bringing it more games hence making it a better platform for gaming.
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#582 bri360
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Why is this thread still going? Let it die people, its been like 4 days.
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Well then what is it to you?smokeydabear076
It's nothing. I don't play games on PC exclusively. Besides, even if the PC had them, tournaments would most likely have the console version to compete.
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Exactly. If you aren't looking for them why would you care about their absence?Blackbond
You're not making any sense. How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?

How does the inclusion of fighting games help me in any way?

It doesn't help you it if you don't like it but it helps the PC game library by bringing it more games hence making it a better platform for gaming.

More doesn't always make something better.
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Well then what is it to you?Forza_2
It's nothing. I don't play games on PC exclusively. Besides, even if the PC had them, tournaments would most likely have the console version to compete.

It's nothing to me too.
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#586 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Exactly. If you aren't looking for them why would you care about their absence?smokeydabear076
You're not making any sense. How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?

The PC developers won't spend their time with a genre that I don't care about. So they will spend their time with a genre that I do care about.

Devs won't spend their time with a genre that I don't care about.

So they will spend their time with a genre I do care about.

Congratulations man you are the center of the universe.

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#587 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Exactly. If you aren't looking for them why would you care about their absence?smokeydabear076
You're not making any sense. How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?

How does the inclusion of fighting games help me in any way?

It doesn't help you it if you don't like it but it helps the PC game library by bringing it more games hence making it a better platform for gaming.

More doesn't always make something better.

But in the video game world more good game does mean better.

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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Exactly. If you aren't looking for them why would you care about their absence?Blackbond

You're not making any sense. How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?

The PC developers won't spend their time with a genre that I don't care about. So they will spend their time with a genre that I do care about.

Devs won't spend their time with a genre that I don't care about.

So they will spend their time with a genre I do care about.

Congratulations man you are the center of the universe.

I know I am. Just like you.

PC Devs don't focus on a few genres I care about.:cry:

It's a weakness in my view.:cry:

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#589 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Exactly. If you aren't looking for them why would you care about their absence?Blackbond

You're not making any sense. How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?

How does the inclusion of fighting games help me in any way?

It doesn't help you it if you don't like it but it helps the PC game library by bringing it more games hence making it a better platform for gaming.

More doesn't always make something better.

But in the video game world more good game does mean better.

Who said it would be good? What if it is bad? How would that be better?
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#590 Forza_2
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Who said it would be good? What if it is bad? How would that be better?smokeydabear076
It might not be better for you, but it could be better for the platform because it might attract other developers that were interested but were too scared to take risks.
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#591 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Exactly. If you aren't looking for them why would you care about their absence?smokeydabear076

You're not making any sense. How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?

How does the inclusion of fighting games help me in any way?

It doesn't help you it if you don't like it but it helps the PC game library by bringing it more games hence making it a better platform for gaming.

More doesn't always make something better.

But in the video game world more good game does mean better.

Who said it would be good? What if it is bad? How would that be better?

Enough of the what ifs? Why would games that aren't good even be topic of discussion? Missing out on crap isn't missing out at all.

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#592 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Who said it would be good? What if it is bad? How would that be better?Forza_2
It might not be better for you, but it could be better for the platform because it might attract other developers that were interested but were too scared to take risks.

It could be better. That isn't a solid will be better.
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#593 smokeydabear076
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Enough of the what ifs? Why would games that aren't good even be topic of discussion? Missing out on crap isn't missing out at all.

Blackbond
Excatly my point. I think those genres are crap so I am not missing out on anything. You think they are good so you are missing out on something. If I don't think anything is missing then why should I say missing nothing is a weakness? Because you think it is a weakness?
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Exactly. If you aren't looking for them why would you care about their absence?Blackbond

You're not making any sense. How does the lack of fighting games help you in any way ?

How does the inclusion of fighting games help me in any way?

It doesn't help you it if you don't like it but it helps the PC game library by bringing it more games hence making it a better platform for gaming.

More doesn't always make something better.

But in the video game world more good game does mean better.

Who said it would be good? What if it is bad? How would that be better?

Enough of the what ifs? Why would games that aren't good even be topic of discussion? Missing out on crap isn't missing out at all.

The point of the matter is its not a weakness its a preference.. People choose the computer for these certain genres.. JRPG's were always on the console, it is a staple and distinguishing characteristic.. WRPG's are strongest on the PC with numerous best titles such as Baldur's Gate 2.. To me it just doesn't seem like a weakness or a strengtth just a characteristic.. The PC doesn't have fighters.. That is not a weakness, its weakness is the fact that split screen doesn't exist and the majority of people don't use tv out.. This may change, but accessablity is the problem.. This then leads to fighters not being on the pc (which they are in the form of gametap).. I could make this exact same argument for handhelds such as the PSP, but some games are specifically made for it.. Just like JRPGs which were specifically ment to be made for the console.. This may change in the future..

we could say that a mustang has a weakness of not carrying as much as a pick up truck.. But is this a honest weakness or a complete different direction of design that wasn't intended before? Thats why I say this is still prefrence..

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#595 froidnite
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Enough of the what ifs? Why would games that aren't good even be topic of discussion? Missing out on crap isn't missing out at all.

Blackbond
That was the entire point of our argument and now you use the same.....Fighting/Jrpg's = worse than crap TO ME. So I don't care if a platform has it or not and as you said missing out on crap isn't miissing out at all.
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#596 ShotGunBunny
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Well, I've been a trusty PCer for years and years, and I've played lots of fighters and RPG's (and JRPG's) over the years on various systems, and my favorite fighting game and favorite RPG are both on PC. Being One Must Fall 2097 and Baldur's Gate 2, respectively.

But yes, there is a drought. Try The Witcher for your RPG needs. Fighting games, well....they've all but died out.
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#597 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Enough of the what ifs? Why would games that aren't good even be topic of discussion? Missing out on crap isn't missing out at all.

froidnite

That was the entire point of our argument and now you use the same.....Fighting/Jrpg's = worse than crap TO ME. So I don't care if a platform has it or not and as you said missing out on crap isn't miissing out at all.

Yeah Fighting games must be crap. I mean one of them recieved a 10.0 :roll:

A genre that has a perfect 10 game as well as many other quality highly rated games does not suck. I'm sorry your taste prevents you from enjoying some great games. Just because you don't like a game/genre doesn't mean it sucks.

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#598 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Enough of the what ifs? Why would games that aren't good even be topic of discussion? Missing out on crap isn't missing out at all.

Blackbond

That was the entire point of our argument and now you use the same.....Fighting/Jrpg's = worse than crap TO ME. So I don't care if a platform has it or not and as you said missing out on crap isn't miissing out at all.

Yeah Fighting games must be crap. I mean one of them recieved a 10.0 :roll:

A genre that has a perfect 10 game as well as many other quality highly rated games does not suck. I'm sorry your taste prevents you from enjoying some great games. Just because you don't like a game/genre doesn't mean it sucks.

10.0 is just another opinion. Someone else could easily give the game a 0. Of course they would be wrong.... in your opinion.
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#599 smokeydabear076
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Here is the fact.

The PC lacks in the JRPG and Fighter genre.

Here is the opinion.(you knew this from the very beginning saying that it is a weakness in your view)

The PC lacking in such a genre is a weakness.

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#600 froidnite
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[QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Enough of the what ifs? Why would games that aren't good even be topic of discussion? Missing out on crap isn't missing out at all.

Blackbond

That was the entire point of our argument and now you use the same.....Fighting/Jrpg's = worse than crap TO ME. So I don't care if a platform has it or not and as you said missing out on crap isn't miissing out at all.

Yeah Fighting games must be crap. I mean one of them recieved a 10.0 :roll:

A genre that has a perfect 10 game as well as many other quality highly rated games does not suck. I'm sorry your taste prevents you from enjoying some great games. Just because you don't like a game/genre doesn't mean it sucks.

WTF.....I am not supposed to treat it like crap cos a gaming site gave it 10. Did you even read the underlined part.:roll: