Yes this is a legit PC Gaming complaint people

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]It means, however, that therse a higher probability that they will continue to port said games though.Forza_2

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]What the hell kind ofbackwards logicis that? :?Earlier in the thread, folks said the PC dominates the FPS, RTS and MMORPG genres and that consoles are lacking in comparison and I would agree. Now, those same folks used the fact that consoles are lacking in those genres as a negative for those consoles. Now, all of a sudden, some folks (yourself included) are saying that the PC lacking in certain genres is a strength? Double Standards much?It is not a plus that the PC is lacking in the JRPG and fighting genres,it is a minus.Having a strong of different genres is what all platforms should strive for and most are. Even ifcertain genresmay not appeal to some gamers, they will to others and makes the platform asa whole stronger and more appealing.Vandalvideo

Well, frankly, this thread isn't about people's opinions. It's about the facts.

It's not that people can't "comprehend" what you're saying. More like they think it's BS. If a console gamer said the fact that their platform was lacking in RTS and MMOs, they'd be descended upon by the circling hermits before the page refreshed after clicking the "submit" button.

Lacking in certain genres can't be considered as a strength...no matter how much you try to spin it... Such an argument has never been considered a valid defense.

Well, frankly, this thread isn't about people's opinions. It's about the facts.It's not that people can't "comprehend" what you're saying. More like they think it's BS. If a console gamer said the fact that their platform was lacking in RTS and MMOs, they'd be descended upon by the circling hermits before the page refreshed after clicking the "submit" button.Lacking in certain genres can't be considered as a strength...no matter how much you try to spin it... Such an argument has never been considered a valid defense.The_Game21x

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]What the hell kind ofbackwards logicis that? :?Earlier in the thread, folks said the PC dominates the FPS, RTS and MMORPG genres and that consoles are lacking in comparison and I would agree. Now, those same folks used the fact that consoles are lacking in those genres as a negative for those consoles. Now, all of a sudden, some folks (yourself included) are saying that the PC lacking in certain genres is a strength? Double Standards much?It is not a plus that the PC is lacking in the JRPG and fighting genres,it is a minus.Having a strong of different genres is what all platforms should strive for and most are. Even ifcertain genresmay not appeal to some gamers, they will to others and makes the platform asa whole stronger and more appealing.The_Game21x

Well, frankly, this thread isn't about people's opinions. It's about the facts.

It's not that people can't "comprehend" what you're saying. More like they think it's BS. If a console gamer said the fact that their platform was lacking in RTS and MMOs, they'd be descended upon by the circling hermits before the page refreshed after clicking the "submit" button.

Lacking in certain genres can't be considered as a strength...no matter how much you try to spin it... Such an argument has never been considered a valid defense.

On the contrary, theres a higher probability relative to previous trends. Becaus ethey have been porting significantlly more games, theres a higher chance they will port other games.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]On the contrary, theres a higher probability relative to previous trends. Becaus ethey have been porting significantlly more games, theres a higher chance they will port other games.Forza_2

[QUOTE="agentfred"]Wow, Vandal is my hero, 22 pages and counting.FrozenLiquid

Wouldn't actually start idolizing him as one of the best hermits mate...

There's better out there.

skrat, smokey, Meu2k7. They know where to draw the line.

Yeah, but I don't think any of them are as talented as Vandal. This guy can defend something even if it's wrong, as evidenced by this thread. Not only has he defended his point of view, he's carried this on for what, 23 pages now? The dude is a champ.

Just because they go against what I say, doesn't mean they're right.Vandalvideo

Replace "they" with "System Wars" and you'll be a little more accurate.

But yeah, considering they are fairly knowledgable, more respectable, and can admit their own weaknesses, it's only natural for us to side with them than some immature fool who's stubborn, arrogant, thinks he knows more than he actually does and never admits to defeat.

So, does it mean they're right? Perhaps not. But the victors always dictate history anyway.

But I'll give you a little secret: When there's only one person's opinion against several others, and he's a male aged 17-25, then there's a reason to believe his reasoning is completely off.

Street smarts. It gets you places.

Street smarts. It gets you places.FrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="agentfred"]Wow, Vandal is my hero, 22 pages and counting.agentfred

Wouldn't actually start idolizing him as one of the best hermits mate...

There's better out there.

skrat, smokey, Meu2k7. They know where to draw the line.

Yeah, but I don't think any of them are as talented as Vandal. This guy can defend something even if it's wrong, as evidenced by this thread. Not only has he defended his point of view, he's carried this on for what, 23 pages now? The dude is a champ.

Umm.....

If you're wrong you're not talented.

You're just stubborn. Like an 11 year old girl who just won't shutup and admit defeat.

You're talented and wise if you can keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about.

That's what you, skrat, smokey, Meu2k7 and a whole host of others are doing.

But once again, its highly likely that they will continue along those trends. Occam's Razor again.Vandalvideo

B game might not follow A game just because B game came after A. That's Factam for you.

This is just going round in circles.

Essentially, in the broader picture, the PC's lack in JRPG's and fighters (to a somewhat lesser degree) is a weakness. Now, using this line of logic where the lack of these genre's could be a plus is flawed, as you could argue that a more diverse selection of genre's is a weakness.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Street smarts. It gets you places.Vandalvideo

Vandal Stage 1: Decent debate about the basics

Vandal Stage 1a: Don't know what he's talking about -- irrelevant and offbeat posts.

Vandal Stage 2: Starts running at the mouth, doesn't even know what he's saying.

I told you I'd predict what would happen.

We going to Stage 3 soon champ?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]What the hell kind ofbackwards logicis that? :?Earlier in the thread, folks said the PC dominates the FPS, RTS and MMORPG genres and that consoles are lacking in comparison and I would agree. Now, those same folks used the fact that consoles are lacking in those genres as a negative for those consoles. Now, all of a sudden, some folks (yourself included) are saying that the PC lacking in certain genres is a strength? Double Standards much?It is not a plus that the PC is lacking in the JRPG and fighting genres,it is a minus.Having a strong of different genres is what all platforms should strive for and most are. Even ifcertain genresmay not appeal to some gamers, they will to others and makes the platform asa whole stronger and more appealing.smokeydabear076

Well, frankly, this thread isn't about people's opinions. It's about the facts.

It's not that people can't "comprehend" what you're saying. More like they think it's BS. If a console gamer said the fact that their platform was lacking in RTS and MMOs, they'd be descended upon by the circling hermits before the page refreshed after clicking the "submit" button.

Lacking in certain genres can't be considered as a strength...no matter how much you try to spin it... Such an argument has never been considered a valid defense.

You're exactly right in that respect. It doesn't have to be a weakness.

I just don't see how anyone could say lacking in certain genres is a good thing. I may not like JRPG's personally, but I sure as hell don't think the 360 is better because of its lack of them.

[QUOTE="agentfred"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="agentfred"]Wow, Vandal is my hero, 22 pages and counting.FrozenLiquid

Wouldn't actually start idolizing him as one of the best hermits mate...

There's better out there.

skrat, smokey, Meu2k7. They know where to draw the line.

Yeah, but I don't think any of them are as talented as Vandal. This guy can defend something even if it's wrong, as evidenced by this thread. Not only has he defended his point of view, he's carried this on for what, 23 pages now? The dude is a champ.

Umm.....

If you're wrong you're not talented.

You're just stubborn. Like an 11 year old girl who just won't shutup and admit defeat.

You're talented and wise if you can keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about.

That's what you, skrat, smokey, Meu2k7 and a whole host of others are doing.

[QUOTE="agentfred"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="agentfred"]Wow, Vandal is my hero, 22 pages and counting.FrozenLiquid

Wouldn't actually start idolizing him as one of the best hermits mate...

There's better out there.

skrat, smokey, Meu2k7. They know where to draw the line.

Yeah, but I don't think any of them are as talented as Vandal. This guy can defend something even if it's wrong, as evidenced by this thread. Not only has he defended his point of view, he's carried this on for what, 23 pages now? The dude is a champ.

Umm.....

If you're wrong you're not talented.

You're just stubborn. Like an 11 year old girl who just won't shutup and admit defeat.

You're talented and wise if you can keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about.

That's what you, skrat, smokey, Meu2k7 and a whole host of others are doing.

being wise means knowing when arguing any further is not a bit useful. I see only two people ignoring this fact :)

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]But once again, its highly likely that they will continue along those trends. Occam's Razor again.Forza_2

B game might not follow A game just because B game came after A. That's Factam for you.

Fighters are not as fun as MMORPGS or FPS games... so... this isn't a very good argument.

And I personally think the WRPGs kill JRPGs. Mainly because JRPGs don't know what real-time combat is.

Umm.....

If you're wrong you're not talented.

You're just stubborn. Like an 11 year old girl who just won't shutup and admit defeat.

You're talented and wise if you can keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about.

That's what you, skrat, smokey, Meu2k7 and a whole host of others are doing.

FrozenLiquid

I was joking.

Although it is pretty impressive nonetheless.

This is just going round in circles.

Essentially, in the broader picture, the PC's lack in JRPG's and fighters (to a somewhat lesser degree) is a weakness. Now, using this line of logic where the lack of these genre's could be a plus is flawed, as you could argue that a more diverse selection of genre's is a weakness.

gingerdivid

Which essentially means the PC has the worst library.

Now are any of the hermits, sans Vandal, going to admit that?

gingerdivid, you're a saviour. It took one courageous hermit to speak out against this stupidity.

Fighters are not as fun as MMORPGS or FPS games... so... this isn't a very good argument.

And I personally think the WRPGs kill JRPGs. Mainly because JRPGs don't know what real-time combat is.

princeofshapeir

[QUOTE="gingerdivid"]

This is just going round in circles.

Essentially, in the broader picture, the PC's lack in JRPG's and fighters (to a somewhat lesser degree) is a weakness. Now, using this line of logic where the lack of these genre's could be a plus is flawed, as you could argue that a more diverse selection of genre's is a weakness.

FrozenLiquid

Which essentially means the PC has the worst library.

Now are any of the hermits, sans Vandal, going to admit that?

gingerdivid, you're a saviour. It took one courageous hermit to speak out against this stupidity.

[QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]On the contrary, theres a higher probability relative to previous trends. Becaus ethey have been porting significantlly more games, theres a higher chance they will port other games.Vandalvideo

Highly likely isn't a fact. Show me proof. Show me game annoucenments or at least TBA's of FIGHTERS/JRPGS on PC. You can't prove anything Vandal all you are is specualtion, hopes, dreams ect.

I mean you might as well ask Santa for JRPGS and FIGHTERS on PC for Christmas maybe he will grant your wish.

Highly likely isn't a fact. Show me proof. Show me game annoucenments or at least TBA's of FIGHTERS/JRPGS on PC. You can't prove anything Vandal all you are is specualtion, hopes, dreams ect.I mean you might as well ask Santa for JRPGS and FIGHTERS on PC for Christmas maybe he will grant your wish.Blackbond

Actually I am saying things. I know that I don't care about those genres and therefore don't consider that to be a weak point. I know that others do care about those genres and consider it weak point though.smokeydabear076

I know you said that.

But you're not rambling on mindlessly. That's the key smokey, that's the key.

being wise means knowing when arguing any further is not a bit useful. I see only two people ignoring this fact :)

naval

Oh no. Everything after my first two posts was just trying to weasel out Vandal. I know it's irrelevant to the topic. In a way though, it's useful, because Vandal might just stop talking so much crap.

I was joking.

Although it is pretty impressive nonetheless.

agentfred

You ain't seen jack 'til you see my homegirl dude :lol:

I said at the very beginning that its "much more likely that these games will come to the PC based upon current trends." Vandalvideo

Don't even try to argue with my comment, you have no proof they won't !

Actually, I could put up a fairly convincing arguement about the effects of a catalog with too much variety has on the industry as a whole, but once again, thats not the purpose of my posts. I'm saying YES that view could very well potentially exist. Thats how opinions generally WORK.Vandalvideo

I'm sure you could.

Homegirl here can also argue how pork is red meat to hell and back.

Doesn't mean it's not hilariously funny and downright stupid.

[QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Thats NOT what I'm saying. Vandalvideo

Going by your own argument just because the PC gets the best version of games, it doesn't make it better. It's all subjective, right ?

[QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]What makes you say that I was implying you were a console only gamer? I was referrign to the people that have always said I call the PC the better platform. I challange you, dig through my post history and find ONE post where I said the PC is the better platform explicitly.Vandalvideo

I find it funny that you go as far to say that the PC is not the best, and yet try to defend its obvious lack of fighting games with some weirdass argument.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Actually I am saying things. I know that I don't care about those genres and therefore don't consider that to be a weak point. I know that others do care about those genres and consider it weak point though.FrozenLiquid

I know you said that.

But you're not rambling on mindlessly. That's the key smokey, that's the key.

being wise means knowing when arguing any further is not a bit useful. I see only two people ignoring this fact :)

naval

Oh no. Everything after my first two posts was just trying to weasel out Vandal. I know it's irrelevant to the topic. In a way though, it's useful, because Vandal might just stop talking so much crap.

I was joking.

Although it is pretty impressive nonetheless.

agentfred

You ain't seen jack 'til you see my homegirl dude :lol:

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] I said at the very beginning that its "much more likely that these games will come to the PC based upon current trends." Forza_2

Don't even try to argue with my comment, you have no proof they won't !

That is a defense. If you weren't trying to defend it you wouldn't still be arguing right now. DrinkDuff

[QUOTE="naval"]

being wise means knowing when arguing any further is not a bit useful. I see only two people ignoring this fact :)

FrozenLiquid

Oh no. Everything after my first two posts was just trying to weasel out Vandal. I know it's irrelevant to the topic. In a way though, it's useful, because Vandal might just stop talking so much crap.

it would have been to wise to realise that its having no effect

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="---OkeyDokey---"] i think murder and adultery are good things. therefore it is not a fact that they are wrong, but a subjective opinion. yep, that makes about as much sense as what you're saying.---OkeyDokey---

Touche only because you're not knowledgeable in that mate.

Neither am I, but my Theology/Philosophy teacher argued that exact argument because of bunch of 18 year old tools aka classmates tried to argue adultery and murder are okay using what they read from a text book.

That's like level one Philosophy lol.

And let's just say OkeyDokey, my classmates never tried arguing that same point again ;).

Wish I had one of those recording devices. That was a good debate :D.

Actually, current trends are that only a marginally small ammount of PC games ever make it to consoles. You forgot about proportion dude. PC ports are like a fat guy jumping in a swiming pool full of water. With that much water, its obvious games are going to spill out. However, its nowhere near as uch as if you threw and entire bucket of water on the fat guy. Theres a big difference.Vandalvideo

It's constantly growing and you have no proof that it won't grow to such a point where consoles steal all PC games.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="naval"]

being wise means knowing when arguing any further is not a bit useful. I see only two people ignoring this fact :)

naval

Oh no. Everything after my first two posts was just trying to weasel out Vandal. I know it's irrelevant to the topic. In a way though, it's useful, because Vandal might just stop talking so much crap.

it would have been to wise to realise that its having no effect

Probably.

But alpha male dominance is kicking in. So whatever :P

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="naval"]

being wise means knowing when arguing any further is not a bit useful. I see only two people ignoring this fact :)

FrozenLiquid

Oh no. Everything after my first two posts was just trying to weasel out Vandal. I know it's irrelevant to the topic. In a way though, it's useful, because Vandal might just stop talking so much crap.

it would have been to wise to realise that its having no effect

Probably.

But alpha male dominance is kicking in. So whatever :P

:lol: :lol:

Neither am I, but my Theology/Philosophy teacher argued that exact argument because of bunch of 18 year old tools aka , my classmates never tried arguing that same point again ;).FrozenLiquid

It's constantly growing and you have no proof that it won't grow to such a point where consoles steal all PC games.Forza_2

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]That is a defense. If you weren't trying to defend it you wouldn't still be arguing right now. Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]That is a defense. If you weren't trying to defend it you wouldn't still be arguing right now. DrinkDuff

Hey, why don't I just go all in and say at this rate exclusive will no longer exist? Thats the ultimate ends of what you're suggesting.Vandalvideo

I must admit that on occasion I have argued for the sake of arguing here in system wars.smokeydabear076

Remember that crazy thread we did about Halo? Just turned out extremely messed up? :lol:

I think I got that in bookmarks somewhere.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I must admit that on occasion I have argued for the sake of arguing here in system wars.FrozenLiquid

Remember that crazy thread we did about Halo? Just turned out extremely messed up? :lol:

I think I got that in bookmarks somewhere.