Yes this is a legit PC Gaming complaint people

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="froidnite"]

First the TC says people shouldn't talk about preferences and then he mentions specific genres in which PC is not too good at.

If you really want to remain objective, you should count up how many genres PC is dominating and in how many consoles are dominating. Then it'll be a fair and objective comparision

froidnite

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]Thankfully, the PC has a good community. I would like to say that the statement isn't true just because fans fixed the issues in one game. There are plenty of other games with problems. Lost Planet also found itself a few new problems after being ported to the PC, and the graphical improvments were meager at best. I'm sure it plays fine but its not better than the console version(s). DrinkDuff

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

Vandal, Vandal, Vandal...

Whether your argument is based in fact or not, it's still speculation. And speculation is less solid that evidence. I could have speculated that after Capcom's announcement of multiple Gamecube exclusive titles, more publishers would come to Nintendo's camp, and the Gamecube would have plenty of high-quality third party exclusive titles. That argument would have been weaker than the arguments of Sony adherents who could have easily pointed out the numerous third-party exclusive titles that already existed on the PS2.

What happened to the Gamecube? A number of Capcom's exclusives got cancelled. A few totally flopped. And the ones that were successful wound up getting ported to the PS2. Meanwhile, there were very few other third-party games announced by other publishers. The speculation based in logos would have proven inaccurate, because while logos is nice, it is no replacement for solid evidence.

You frequently harp on how Dead or Alive Online's PC exclusivity is some kind of turning point for the fighting genre on the PC. You neglect to mention that:

• It is only being released in China, and the surrounding region.
• It is not being made by Team Ninja, the usual developers of the game, but another internal Tecmo developer (see above link). Searching Gamespot, this developer has no titles to their name.
• Judging by this trailer, the game is practically a straight port of Dead or Alive Ultimate, which was on the Xbox with online play back in 2004. Every character, costume, and stage featured in the trailer was in Dead or Alive Ultimate. Also, "D.O.A. 2.0" is mentioned in the trailer, a possible reference to the fact that Dead or Alive Ultimate is, itself, an updated port of Dead or Alive 2.

As a result, this looks more to me like a low-risk port attempting to expand into a region with low console penetration, rather than the beginning of a bold new age of PC exclusive fighters.

If this title is all you have to prove that eventually, someday, the PC might rival consoles in the fighting genre, you're standing on shaky ground.

Vandalvideo

I guess it's possible that it could happen, but Dead or Alive Online doesn't seem like part of a current, evolving trend.

It's a 4 year old port of an Xbox game, being done by some totally random internal Tecmo developer, that's coming out only in China, Hong Kong, and Macao. That's not exactly a pledge of confidence in the PC market.

Perhaps Capcom's practice of porting some of their action-centric games to the PC (something they've been doing since Onimusha 3, at the very least) will become more widely adopted by other Japanese developers, and fighters could reach the system. So the PC might soon become competant in the fighting genre, though even then, it will still be inferior to consoles. Yet even at its soonest, it's at least a few years off, and it still seems like a fairly unlikely possibility to me.

[QUOTE="froidnite"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="froidnite"]

First the TC says people shouldn't talk about preferences and then he mentions specific genres in which PC is not too good at.

If you really want to remain objective, you should count up how many genres PC is dominating and in how many consoles are dominating. Then it'll be a fair and objective comparision

DrinkDuff

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]I'd never thought I would see this much damage control from the Hermits. Is it so hard to admit that the PC has weaknesses just like any other platform?Vandalvideo

It is an objective flaw. Consoles have a weak selection of the RTS genre, just as PCs have a weak selection of the fighter genre. It is a fact that every platform is geared towards certain genres more than others. If you can say PCs are better for FPS, you can say that consoles are better for fighters. The weaknesses exist whether you want to acknowledge them or not. DrinkDuff

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"] It is an objective flaw. Consoles have a weak selection of the RTS genre, just as PCs have a weak selection of the fighter genre. It is a fact that every platform is geared towards certain genres more than others. If you can say PCs are better for FPS, you can say that consoles are better for fighters. The weaknesses exist whether you want to acknowledge them or not. Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="froidnite"]It's called a hyperboleDrinkDuff

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"] It is an objective flaw. Consoles have a weak selection of the RTS genre, just as PCs have a weak selection of the fighter genre. It is a fact that every platform is geared towards certain genres more than others. If you can say PCs are better for FPS, you can say that consoles are better for fighters. The weaknesses exist whether you want to acknowledge them or not. Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="froidnite"]It's called a hyperbolefroidnite

To be fair then, this thread is pretty pointless
DrinkDuff

The thing is, you're looking at the short termVandalvideo

You're looking at the short term ? You do realize that can be used against everything, right ?

1:"The Wii's weakest genre is RTS !"
2:"You're looking at the short term, man ! Many and many games get announced for the Wii everyday... eventually all RTS games will come to it !"

:|

Wow, I think I already posted in this thread but it is crazy long. Is this just a bunch of consoles kids being angry that PC can do more and than also do what they do better? oh jeez..another day on system wars *sigh*. If you plug your PC into a TV and put a controller on it you end up having an uber console. What is so hard to understand about that? Consoles are nothing but just low end PCs inside a box with a controller. Fighting games can be done on the PC, they have been before...just no one cares cause FPS, RTS, and RPGS on the PC are much more preferred by the gamers.

The ONLY thing the console manages to pull off is to be cheaper, but it is obvious you get inferior hardware. Not to mention that to be cheaper was pretty much its main goal in the first place, to offer gaming to people who can't afford a PC.

The PC scene in japan is very different from America or the Uk. They don't play traditional games. You can't say Pc gaming is dying because traditional games aren't selling well in Japan. Shows you have NO understanding of their market.Vandalvideo

I've never claimed that traditional games are popular on PC's. I claimed that the sales of PC's are on a decline in Japan, and being that all the recent Guilty Gear and Melty Blood were only released on retail on the PC in Japan it's not looking good. Why publish PC games for a country that isn't buy PC's?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] The PC scene in japan is very different from America or the Uk. They don't play traditional games. You can't say Pc gaming is dying because traditional games aren't selling well in Japan. Shows you have NO understanding of their market.Gunraidan

I've never claimed that traditional games are popular on PC's. I claimed that the sales of PC's are on a decline in Japan, and being that all the recent Guilty Gear and Melty Blood were only released on retail on the PC in Japan it's not looking good. Why publish PC games for a country that isn't buy PC's?

I guess it's possible that it could happen, but Dead or Alive Online doesn't seem like part of a current, evolving trend.

It's a 4 year old port of an Xbox game, being done by some totally random internal Tecmo developer, that's coming out only in China, Hong Kong, and Macao. That's not exactly a pledge of confidence in the PC market.

sonicmj1

This guy is extremely stubborn.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]I guess it's possible that it could happen, but Dead or Alive Online doesn't seem like part of a current, evolving trend.

It's a 4 year old port of an Xbox game, being done by some totally random internal Tecmo developer, that's coming out only in China, Hong Kong, and Macao. That's not exactly a pledge of confidence in the PC market.

Forza_2

This guy is extremely stubborn.

Yeah...he already has.

Vandal...you're pretty much at the peak of hermit damage control in this thread.

[QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]I guess it's possible that it could happen, but Dead or Alive Online doesn't seem like part of a current, evolving trend.

It's a 4 year old port of an Xbox game, being done by some totally random internal Tecmo developer, that's coming out only in China, Hong Kong, and Macao. That's not exactly a pledge of confidence in the PC market.

FrozenLiquid

This guy is extremely stubborn.

Yeah...he already has.

Vandal...you're pretty much at the peak of hermit damage control in this thread.

Dude....There has to be some damage done to PC.....for him to be in Hermit DC mode:Pfroidnite

When you lay the smackdown on AdrianWerner, you know you've done something right :lol:

Vandal...you're pretty much at the peak of hermit damage control in this thread.FrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Vandal...you're pretty much at the peak of hermit damage control in this thread.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] The point of the matter is your argument isn't really a argument.. Its a matter of taste that you prefer a genre that is on the console... It certainly is not a weakness.. How can you say a apple has the weakness of not being sour/acidic like the orange? Its a bogus comparison and just a matter of taste.. I am not saying one is better then the other, but you certainlly can't see it as a weakness.Vandalvideo

Get that weak ass analogy out of here. PC not having JRPGS and FIGHTERS is like CONSOLES not getting MMORPGs, Simulations, and RTS. Deal with the facts man. Your preference is nothing but opinion.

How isn't it a factual arguement? PC gets no newly released JRPGS and Fighters its a fact. Nobody is denying that the PC has twice as many distinct genre's but it still doesn't have modern day fighters and JRPGS.

How exactly is it a weakness that PC is dominating in more genres than any console if personal tastes aren't to be mentioned:roll:froidnite

Well okay its not a weakness which leads to the utter destruction of PC gaming lol (come on guys work with me here:P ) But no matter how good PC gaming is it just doesn't cut it when it comes to JRPG's and Fighters.

Blackbond

Taken directly from the OP. Its a weakness man but like I said its not really anything significant or something that would bring the downfall of PC gaming.

I'd never thought I would see this much damage control from the Hermits. Is it so hard to admit that the PC has weaknesses just like any other platform?DrinkDuff

Every platform has its weak points but some hermits are still too stubborn to admit it. People like Vandel say that prefernce isn't a weakness. This isn't about preference entirely this is about two genre's the PC is practically non-existant on.

You know its funny how they mention preference yet when people say they prefer controller over Keyboard and mouse they go ballistic.

I mean its like this. Its a fact that a M/KB has better speed, precision and accuracy then a controller.

It is a fact that PC's do not excel in FIGHTERS and JRPGS.

Put preference aside and look at the facts. PC does not excel in FIGHTERS and JRPGS. There are practically 0 new ones being annoucned or released.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Vandal...you're pretty much at the peak of hermit damage control in this thread.Vandalvideo

-looks at last few pages of the debate-

No, you really couldn't.

You'll never admit defeat mate.

Just like you tried to weasel your way out of the infamous Halo argument we had a while back.

How isn't it a factual arguement? PC gets no newly released JRPGS and Fighters its a fact. Nobody is denying that the PC has twice as many distinct genre's but it still doesn't have modern day fighters and JRPGS.Blackbond

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]How isn't it a factual arguement? PC gets no newly released JRPGS and Fighters its a fact. Nobody is denying that the PC has twice as many distinct genre's but it still doesn't have modern day fighters and JRPGS.Vandalvideo

Oh....my......God.....

Suck it up.

It's a weakness. As of now. A damn weakness.

Your system is great. Perhaps even the best. It's just not perfect.

Deal. With. It.

Man some of you hermits can get pretty pathetic at times.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]How isn't it a factual arguement? PC gets no newly released JRPGS and Fighters its a fact. Nobody is denying that the PC has twice as many distinct genre's but it still doesn't have modern day fighters and JRPGS.FrozenLiquid

Oh....my......God.....

Suck it up.

It's a weakness. As of now. A damn weakness.

Your system is great. Perhaps even the best. It's just not perfect.

Deal. With. It.

Man some of you hermits can get pretty pathetic at times.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]How isn't it a factual arguement? PC gets no newly released JRPGS and Fighters its a fact. Nobody is denying that the PC has twice as many distinct genre's but it still doesn't have modern day fighters and JRPGS.Vandalvideo

Oh....my......God.....

Suck it up.

It's a weakness. As of now. A damn weakness.

Your system is great. Perhaps even the best. It's just not perfect.

Deal. With. It.

Man some of you hermits can get pretty pathetic at times.

Sweet.

That being said,

Rainbow Six was never "dumbed down". Ghost Recon was never "dumbed down". Oblivion was never "dumbed down". Many people dislike tactical and character-deep RPGs, and find it a positive that consoles do not have them. It's subjective that they were "dumbed down".

Yeah, we're all tongue tied now.

As I said:

Suck it up.

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"]So I really don't see how the future of the fighting genre on the PC's is so viable. Vandalvideo

• Tekken 6
• Virtua Fighter 5
• Guilty Gear Accent Core
• KOF XI
• Soul Calibur 4
• Capcom's Samurai Fighter
• ect

AGREES

I mean seriously 1 game compared to how many others?

I love how you use the IF STATEMENTSits just too good.

Rainbow Six was never "dumbed down". Ghost Recon was never "dumbed down". Oblivion was never "dumbed down". Many people dislike tactical and character-deep RPGs, and find it a positive that consoles do not have them. It's subjective that they were "dumbed down".Yeah, we're all tongue tied now.FrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Gunraidan"]So I really don't see how the future of the fighting genre on the PC's is so viable. Blackbond

• Tekken 6
• Virtua Fighter 5
• Guilty Gear Accent Core
• KOF XI
• Soul Calibur 4
• Capcom's Samurai Fighter
• ect

AGREES

I mean seriously 1 game compared to how many others?

I love how you use the IF STATEMENTSits just too good.

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]I'd never thought I would see this much damage control from the Hermits. Is it so hard to admit that the PC has weaknesses just like any other platform?Blackbond

Every platform has its weak points but some hermits are still too stubborn to admit it. People like Vandel say that prefernce isn't a weakness. This isn't about preference entirely this is about two genre's the PC is practically non-existant on.

You know its funny how they mention preference yet when people say they prefer controller over Keyboard and mouse they go ballistic.

I mean its like this. Its a fact that a M/KB has better speed, precision and accuracy then a controller.

It is a fact that PC's do not excel in FIGHTERS and JRPGS.

Put preference aside and look at the facts. PC does not excel in FIGHTERS and JRPGS. There are practically 0 new ones being annoucned or released.

pc being weak in jrpgs and fighter imo is just a preference and not a weakness. weakness would have been the case when it was weaker than consoles in the number of genres.

On the contrary, you have to look at denotation in these instances. Dumbed down itself isn't a subjcetive term, it literally means that there were things removed from it, such a statement is 100% factual.Vandalvideo

While that is factual, it doesn't make it worst. (Going by your logic here)

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]How isn't it a factual arguement? PC gets no newly released JRPGS and Fighters its a fact. Nobody is denying that the PC has twice as many distinct genre's but it still doesn't have modern day fighters and JRPGS.FrozenLiquid

Oh....my......God.....

Suck it up.

It's a weakness. As of now. A damn weakness.

Your system is great. Perhaps even the best. It's just not perfect.

Deal. With. It.

Man some of you hermits can get pretty pathetic at times.

Assuming I'm remember corerctly hes studying Law in some way or another? Good practice this forum is for **** like that xD hes does a good job often.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]On the contrary, you have to look at denotation in these instances. Dumbed down itself isn't a subjcetive term, it literally means that there were things removed from it, such a statement is 100% factual.Forza_2

While that is factual, it doesn't make it worst. (Going by your logic here)

Actually, theres NO proof stipulating those games WON'T make it to pcVandalvideo

Hey Frozen... did you decide anything yet ?

And I never SAID that these games were worse in earlier arguements.Vandalvideo

i like fighting games and jrpg's...as a matter of fact my friend was telling me if he should go all out and buy a gaming pc.. i told him to get a ps3(no jokes ok...)because he is into mgs & fighting games..i said"look if you are into fps,western rpg's,adventure games, RTS games, and flight simulator games get pc...but if you are not get a console"

Since i like fighting games and jrpg's I consider it to be a weakness.......Its kinda rude to rub it in our face though(ohh....this is system wars ) :)

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]And I never SAID that these games were worse in earlier arguements.Forza_2

Whether or not they are worse is up in the air, but they are in fact dumbed down.Vandalvideo

You say PC gets the best versions BUT that doesn't make all the other versions worst in comparison ? What the hell...

There is no such thing as a perfect system, there never will be. That is a legit complaint, however I'm sure you're aware that there's genre's almost missing from consoles too.

In that sense, I'm baffled about how big this thread is.

As for fighters, I might get Guilty Gear for the Wii, that's if it comes to Europe. :(

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Whether or not they are worse is up in the air, but they are in fact dumbed down.Forza_2

You say PC gets the best versions BUT that doesn't make all the other versions worst in comparison ? What the hell...

First the TC says people shouldn't talk about preferences and then he mentions specific genres in which PC is not too good at.

If you really want to remain objective, you should count up how many genres PC is dominating and in how many consoles are dominating. Then it'll be a fair and objective comparision

froidnite

Yet in the OP I said how PC has the best games, most AAE and AAAE not to mention dominates more platforms then consoles. Yet the point of the thread is what the PC lacks not what its best in.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Rainbow Six was never "dumbed down". Ghost Recon was never "dumbed down". Oblivion was never "dumbed down". Many people dislike tactical and character-deep RPGs, and find it a positive that consoles do not have them. It's subjective that they were "dumbed down".Yeah, we're all tongue tied now.Vandalvideo

Actually it is a subjective term. It does hold negative connotations. You never wrote the rulebook mate. Don't play me as a dumbass.

Wanna play the word game?

It does not literally mean things were removed from it. "Dumbed down" literally means stupid lower value. Or the inability to speak (on) the ground.

Using our common sense, rather than mingling with wordplay in an effort to outsmart the opponent, we can conclude it does carry negative connotations. Even moreso when there's damn evidence of arrogance from the hermits. Wanna see the the argument I had with AdrianWerner about the use of the term "dumbed down"? It would seem he had different viewpoints from yourself.

Don't test me mate. I'll run circles around you like I did previously. And this time, it's obvious you're already behind.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]I guess it's possible that it could happen, but Dead or Alive Online doesn't seem like part of a current, evolving trend.

It's a 4 year old port of an Xbox game, being done by some totally random internal Tecmo developer, that's coming out only in China, Hong Kong, and Macao. That's not exactly a pledge of confidence in the PC market.

froidnite

This guy is extremely stubborn.

Yeah...he already has.

Vandal...you're pretty much at the peak of hermit damage control in this thread.

That's what I was thinking. Just because PC doesn't have a couple genre's on lock doesn't mean its not the best game platform. Those genre's it is lacking it is lacking for a reason. Its not cause it can't do it, it's because PC gamers pretty much hate those genres on a large scale.