Just one of the many reasons i sold my ps3bigboss5ak

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]Ok when they do then they are wrong. Say you want to hate them for something they could do?

rybe1025

lol that's pretty friggin' funny.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] so your saying it's ok for your personal information to be at high risk then?Animal-Mother

You still don't get it. What im saying is, if they can mess with a website on a certain level whats stopping them from going after the information of the consumer to prove a point? I mean, I just proved it with my link, and mwhat im saying is nothing is safe.

Animal-Mother

What about government agencies then? Their ability to obtain your personal information and profile it is much more than some 20-year old programmer or script kiddie, and they have proven that they are willing to bend the law in some cases. How do you feel that the government has easy access to all your private information?

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

It does not effect me but it effects other customers, you only care about yourself and no one else?

Just because them taking away aspects of the ps3 does not effect me does nto mean its not right.

What sony has done is WRONG, even if I woudl have not used the OS or any of hte features they took out, its wrong weither it effects me or not.

Typical person though who only cares about himself and not others that might be effected by sony and there lies.

kozzy1234

Yeah, and what they are doing is not selfish?? Sony has affected me and now I'm gonna mess withe them and with the millions of people who've bought the console...

All I can say is yeah, maybe I'm being selfish, but not destructive about this... unlike them. So you keep praising this BS move and with it, making the world an even worse place than it already is because of the kind of people you support.

What Sony and the hackers are both doing is selfish, but sony started it by locking aspects that they advertised would be avialable to peopel who bought a ps3 and goign over board with this Geo hacker. If they would have left the aspects they sold the system with we would not have this issue.

What the hackers are doign is effecting me and my time online on my ps3 and that sucks, but I can also look at the other side of thigns and relize that some customers are without the features that they bought the ps3 for in the first place. I dont need those features but some people do and that sucks that sont took them out and now they are payign for it by hackers doing things to them.

As far as my opinion goes, both the hackers and sony are in the wrong here, but sony started this shi* storm and they are facing the consequences now for it.

In the end I feel bad for customers of the ps3 who got ripped off by features beign taken away and I also fele bad for people like yourself and myself who just wnat to game and watch movies on the ps3.

So what you're telling me, is that Sony and Hackers are both equally guilty? Sony took out Other OS for a few reasons, this affected a very small minority, this is not a PC. This is a console, once you sign into PSN and agree to the Terms of Service then you have no right to go against features being taken away. It's out of your control. Geohotz blatantly lied about not having a PSN, then he's caught, any "Other OS" reasons or arguments are then void. My main point is: Sony took out Other OS, this affected a very small minority of people, and in the end PS3's are still used as game consoles, not linux computers, it's easy to call people selfish but most people in this thread agree that Other OS isn't used primarily. What Geohotz did, affects EVERYONE. Thanks to Geohotz and his act of "independance" where he leaked the codes, all games are being affected. You think Other OS is bad? How about people who buy MW2 then get into a hacked lobby and have allweapons unlocked? While still being level 1? The same goes for Black Ops (though it's not as bad) and maybe future games if it gets worse. Do you also like what the hackers are doing? This is none of Anonymous' business yet they step in and make things worse.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]I am not going to bother debating on something a person could or could not do. If you want to hate on certain people because you assume they will just do wrong that is you. At this point as far as I know they only brought down some websites and the way Sony has acted I think that is rather funny.rybe1025

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

You still don't get it. What im saying is, if they can mess with a website on a certain level whats stopping them from going after the information of the consumer to prove a point? I mean, I just proved it with my link, and mwhat im saying is nothing is safe.

rpgs_shall_rule

What about government agencies then? Their ability to obtain your personal information and profile it is much more than some 20-year old programmer or script kiddie, and they have proven that they are willing to bend the law in some cases. How do you feel that the government has easy access to all your private information?

[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"]Just one of the many reasons i sold my ps3Crossel777

[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

You still don't get it. What im saying is, if they can mess with a website on a certain level whats stopping them from going after the information of the consumer to prove a point? I mean, I just proved it with my link, and mwhat im saying is nothing is safe.

Animal-Mother

What about government agencies then? Their ability to obtain your personal information and profile it is much more than some 20-year old programmer or script kiddie, and they have proven that they are willing to bend the law in some cases. How do you feel that the government has easy access to all your private information?

Correction: it's some joe schmo working for the government.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

You still don't get it. What im saying is, if they can mess with a website on a certain level whats stopping them from going after the information of the consumer to prove a point? I mean, I just proved it with my link, and mwhat im saying is nothing is safe.

rpgs_shall_rule

What about government agencies then? Their ability to obtain your personal information and profile it is much more than some 20-year old programmer or script kiddie, and they have proven that they are willing to bend the law in some cases. How do you feel that the government has easy access to all your private information?

Correction: it's some joe schmo working for the government.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] :lol: What hate them for having the possibility to access my credit card, so i'm wrong :lol: hahaha ok. No it's not wrong, because you won't know when it happens.

Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]Why do you think they are even going after personal info? Have they done anything other then bring down some websites for a short period?rybe1025

Should have done research on what you could shoot if anything.

Its not illegal to jailbreak a Iphone, you know why? because not everything you can do with a jailbroken Iphone is illegal!

Not eveyrone who wanted the OS and other features that came with the PS3 originally wanted them for hacking reasons.

kozzy1234

Un-upgraded PS3's can still do everything they "Advertised" it's just a matter of choice now what features you really want. Anyone who wanted a PS3 for Other OS probably never needed it for games in the first place. I doubt your going to shut your server off to play CoD...you would probably get another PS3 for that.

If Sony blind-sided you with an update that you head no idea what it did, then you have a case but Sony made it loud and clear what that fatefull update was removing. Any case fighting fire with fire doesn't solve many problems, just catches us "consumers" in the cross-fire.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] How do you know they won't to prove a point? To drive away the consumer. And it doesn't stop the fact that they CAN do it. And it seems your ok if they take your credit card info and home address if it ever arised. Im not saying it did, im saying whats stopping them? Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I support Sony a lot but I also support the little guy against big corporate conglomerates that can steal from users legally while no one can steal from them without being treated as a criminal. So I support anonymous here even if I can't play on PSn for a couple of weeks.babyeatermax

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] I really think that they took it too far. kozzy1234

I think they responded nicely. Make an example out of that knuckle head. Now they need to make an example out of these knuckle heads.

Sony is the only knuckleheads in this situtation. Taking aspects of hte ps3 away from people who bought the ps3 just for those features? Come on now you are just making yourself look bad. Alot of peopel bought the ps3 for features that sony was advertising that the ps3 had. Then they take them away out of nowhere? Of ocurse there was going to be concequences for there actions.

If you go to a restaurant and you order a meal on the menu that has this and that in it.. then when you get the meal none of those things are in it... false advertisement. You order a steak with potatoes and shrimp, yet they only give you the potatoes and take out the shrimp/steak right before you are about to eat.

The stuff sony took out might nto mean alot to me or you, but to people who paid 400-500$ just for those features that sony said you could use this is a slap in the face.

Or what about buying a car and seeing all its features that it has in it.. only for the car dealership to come over to your house and take out say teh stereo, the breaks, air conditioning,etc... If you saw these features in an ad and they were taken away from you, I am sure you would be pissed.

Once again it sucks its casue issues for me and others on PSN and soem websites, but this is sonys fault...

The only people making themselves look bad are the people saying they bought a ps3 for OtherOS, or that they bought a PS3 because it was advertised as having OtherOS.

I'm not saying that not one person did buy a ps3 for that feature, but that was a poor reason to buy one. It wasn't advertised, it wasn't on the box, it was never gauranteed, just like most features of the software aren't gauranteed.

It was an extra, the end. As for Hotz having a right to mod his system? Sure, he has that right. He doesn't have the right to mess with copywrited software and then release that software like he wrote it from the ground up.

Hotz is a very book smart individual, but he has the common sense of a mule.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]And anyone can just go and rob a store but most do not. You have already tried and sentenced these people for something they did not even do. Sony is the only one so far that has invaded on personal info but you seem to have no problem with that at all. Why should Sony be allowed to have the personal info such as name and IP address of someone that just went to GeoHotz website because they were curious about all this news? They may not even own a PS3, a console in general or even support GeoHotz but now has their info. Yet you have no problem with that but some people that took down a Sony website you just assume they are stealing info left and right.

rybe1025

From what I have read, I think that it is not right to go down a wrong route. A wrong plus another wrong doesnt add up to what is right, especially in a case like this. Making other people suffer just to have your thoughts heard is wrong.

[QUOTE="Crossel777"][QUOTE="bigboss5ak"]Just one of the many reasons i sold my ps3bigboss5ak

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] I didn't sentence them, you still fail to realize that I am uncomfortable that you find this funny. That at the click of a few buttons they can access Mine, yours anyone who has signed up PERSONAL information. And im not getting into this legal debate with geohotz, both sides are wrong from different standpoints plain and simple. It comes down to personal views on that one. And Where did I say they WERE stealing. Don't put words in my mouth, if you have been reading, i've been saying that they can open up the possibility to steal. I NEVER NEVER once said they stole info.Animal-Mother

As far as the 360 thing if someone does steal personal info like I said I think they need to go to jail for a long time. That goes for anyone that does it no matter the console or whatever.

What will this prove as far as the websites? My guess is nothing. In a few weeks this will more then likely be all over. Sony will upgrade their web security and nothing will have changed. That is the only reason I find this all funny. I do think Sony has done some wrong so this gave me a good chuckle. The most that will end up happening from today is Sony's IT/tech people will have a busy week.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]They announced all these features for the ps3, dont put it in or advertise it if your just gonna take it away after you get peopels money.

telefanatic

Get over it, Sony removed a feature and it might suck, but nobody forced you to update your firmware so they gave you a choice wether you wanted it or not. Hell they hardly even advertised Other OS in the first place it's not even on the box.

Bingo, couldnt said it better my self.

Just had a look at my Yahoo ToS and as clear as day it says:

"Yahoo! reserves the right at any time and from time to time to modify or discontinue, temporarily or permanently, the Services (or any part thereof) with or without notice."

So basically if i log on to find the ability to store folders is gone and it's one of the reasons i used Yahoo then i just have to deal with it or go elsewhere, and Sony did a similar thing with OtherOS.

So...they want Sony to tolerate hackers by hacking their sites...

uh...I don't think anon thought this through...

herp derp jihad jihad!

Get over it...

If you want to play PS2 games, buy a PS2 or buy an older PS3. They cut the price of the PS3 which meant taking out features.

And if you're still mad about Linux... :lol:

Get over it...

If you want to play PS2 games, buy a PS2 or buy an older PS3. They cut the price of the PS3 which meant taking out features.

And if you're still mad about Linux... :lol:

hanslacher54

Remember the good old days when a price drop just meant a drop in price instead of a drop in features?

Of course you wouldn't, you are too young and naive : (

[QUOTE="hanslacher54"]

Get over it...

If you want to play PS2 games, buy a PS2 or buy an older PS3. They cut the price of the PS3 which meant taking out features.

And if you're still mad about Linux... :lol:

EvanTheGamer

Remember the good old days when a price drop just meant a drop in price instead of a drop in features?

Of course you wouldn't, you are too young and naive : (

Here. It plays PS2 games plus it's less than $300

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

[QUOTE="hanslacher54"]

Get over it...

If you want to play PS2 games, buy a PS2 or buy an older PS3. They cut the price of the PS3 which meant taking out features.

And if you're still mad about Linux... :lol:

hanslacher54

Remember the good old days when a price drop just meant a drop in price instead of a drop in features?

Of course you wouldn't, you are too young and naive : (

Here. It plays PS2 games plus it's less than $300

I like that what they do is for a cause, I just don't really think that it's all that hurtful. So you have a denial of service attack on a website...that showed them.

[QUOTE="telefanatic"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"] You are aware a refund means Sony doesn't keep that money right? What if a car manufacturer recalls cars with faulty breaks? Am i entitled to have those faulty breaks endangering everyone that I share the road with?

Get over it, Sony removed a feature and it might suck, but nobody forced you to update your firmware so they gave you a choice wether you wanted it or not. Hell they hardly even advertised Other OS in the first place it's not even on the box.

JohnF111

Bingo, couldnt said it better my self.

"Yahoo! reserves the right at any time and from time to time to modify or discontinue, temporarily or permanently, the Services (or any part thereof) with or without notice."

So basically if i log on to find the ability to store folders is gone and it's one of the reasons i used Yahoo then i just have to deal with it or go elsewhere, and Sony did a similar thing with OtherOS.

The difference is people paid 400-500$ for the ps3 with the OS on it and then they took it off.

Your account on yahoo did not cost a penny, you are no money out of pocket. People who bought a ps3 mainly for the OS paid alot for there ps3 and its features.

Comparing a 500$ product to a FREE email is laughable.

Sony is basically trying to say that You dont own what you buy which is ridicolous. We as customers should have features that came with something we bought originally.

The hackers are definatly wrong for the stuff they are doing but so is sony for the crap they have pulled.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I'm sorry but Sony brought it on themselves. I don't support them but that's the truth.GeneralShowzer

Defending your hardware and software is bad. Ayup that makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE="hanslacher54"]

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Remember the good old days when a price drop just meant a drop in price instead of a drop in features?

Of course you wouldn't, you are too young and naive : (

Elann2008

Here. It plays PS2 games plus it's less than $300

Woops, my bad. I'm sure you could find an old one that works though. Plus you can buy a PS2 lower than the price of a PS3 game if you wanted. I don't like the fact that my PS3 doesn't play PS2 games (I have a ton of them) but supporting the hackers isn't going to make anything better regarding the situation.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]

[QUOTE="telefanatic"]

Bingo, couldnt said it better my self.

kozzy1234

So basically if i log on to find the ability to store folders is gone and it's one of the reasons i used Yahoo then i just have to deal with it or go elsewhere, and Sony did a similar thing with OtherOS.

The difference is people paid 400-500$ for the ps3 with the OS on it and then they took it off.

Your account on yahoo did not cost a penny, you are no money out of pocket. People who bought a ps3 mainly for the OS paid alot for there ps3 and its features.

Comparing a 500$ product to a FREE email is laughable.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="hanslacher54"]

Here. It plays PS2 games plus it's less than $300

hanslacher54

Woops, my bad. I'm sure you could find an old one that works though. Plus you can buy a PS2 lower than the price of a PS3 game if you wanted. I don't like the fact that my PS3 doesn't play PS2 games (I have a ton of them) but supporting the hackers isn't going to make anything better regarding the situation.

Anonymous? Loved 'em. I support wikileaks, a free exchange of information. Ironically, something they have a huge problem with, is the privacy of individuals, specifically their IP addresses. By that I mean Sony getting those IP addresses.

Personally, I think its hypocritical. Anonymous, through Wikileaks, releases an absolute crap ton of information on the Iraq war, and all kinds of top secret global conspiracy yadayadayada. Now, on an individual level, Anonymous attacks Sony for attaining the IP addresses of people who clicked a link. Now I think this is a step too far by sony, and Anonymous clearly agrees.

I support Wikileaks, and I support Anonymous if they are fair in their demands to Sony. I think that I bought a piece of technology that was advertised with a free consitent online experience. Hell that was advertised more than Other OS. And while Anonymous aren't taking this away (sony shut down the servers), if they were to under any action by Sony they would loose my support. I say they can attack their website until Sony promises to never do anything with the IP addresses they took. Sony should be able to attack any hacker who opens PSN, because them my experience, the experience they promised me, is jeapordized.

This is going to be an interesting battle. I hope it doesn't effect me down the road, but as someone who has bought Sony consoles and electronics for quite some time, and someone who has supported their actions against, say, the westboro baptist church (ironically, their case is for free speach, as hateful as it is), and their support for Wikileaks. So I'm excited to see I'll end up hating the most by the time this is over.

Class action: SCEA removed PS3 Other OS to save money

An ****action complaint filed against SCEA this month has been amended, with the claim that Sony removed the Other OS feature from PS3 in order to save money, not to protect the integrity of the system's security.

According to the amended complaint, Sony fabricated its reason for the removal so it could claim that its Warranty and Terms of Service allowed for the feature's removal.

Per the amendment: "In reality, SCEI and SCEA removed this feature because it was expensive to maintain (as they previously admitted when the feature was removed from the "slim" models – but which they conveniently removed from SCEA's website); they were losing money on every PS3 unit sold (due to poor decisions in the planning and design of the Cell chip as noted above and given the PS3′s extra features); SCEA needed to promote and sell games to make their money back on the loss-leading PS3 consoles (and there was no profit in users utilizing the computer functions of the PS3); and IBM wanted to sell its expensive servers utilizing the Cell processor (users could cluster PS3s for the same purposes much less expensively)."

The updated complaint challenges that it is "virtually impossible" to use Other OS for piracy, because in order for a hacker to pirate a game, it is "necessary to perfectly emulate the operating system for which the game is designed, including the API, which is the interface for the game OS that supports all of the features of a game."

The filing states that when Other OS is used, API and other hardware features are blocked, including PS3′s graphics chip, thus making it "impossible to run a pirated game on the Other OS."

"Since January 2011 Sony had yet to identify a single instance in which someone used the Other OS to pirate protected content," reads the filing.

"Sony's actions are like a car manufacturer telling a buyer that it is going to remove the engine because it does not want to service the part anymore and then telling the consumer, 'tough luck, we are not going to give you a refund,'" said co-lead counsel James Pizzirusso, head of Hausfeld LLP's Consumer Protection Practice Group.

"This type of activity is exactly what our country's consumer protection laws were designed to protect against."

The suit, filed in April last year originally by Anthony Ventura, Jonathan Huber, Jason Baker, and Elton Stovell, had all but one claim dismissed with the presiding judge only allowing the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act claim to remain in tact. This was due to Sony being unable to show that removal of Other OS through firmware update 3.21 was authorized.

SCEA has until March 28 to issue a response.

You can find a copy of the amended complaint through the link up top.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/03/24/****action-suit-over-other-os-removal-claims-no-justifiable-security-reason-scea-did-it-to-save-money/

^^ Just replace **** with c l a s s as gamespot does not allow it

It was a money thing for SONY taking the OS out and not a security issue, come on Sony.

Class action: SCEA removed PS3 Other OS to save money

An ****action complaint filed against SCEA this month has been amended, with the claim that Sony removed the Other OS feature from PS3 in order to save money, not to protect the integrity of the system's security.

According to the amended complaint, Sony fabricated its reason for the removal so it could claim that its Warranty and Terms of Service allowed for the feature's removal.

Per the amendment: "In reality, SCEI and SCEA removed this feature because it was expensive to maintain (as they previously admitted when the feature was removed from the "slim" models – but which they conveniently removed from SCEA's website); they were losing money on every PS3 unit sold (due to poor decisions in the planning and design of the Cell chip as noted above and given the PS3′s extra features); SCEA needed to promote and sell games to make their money back on the loss-leading PS3 consoles (and there was no profit in users utilizing the computer functions of the PS3); and IBM wanted to sell its expensive servers utilizing the Cell processor (users could cluster PS3s for the same purposes much less expensively)."

The updated complaint challenges that it is "virtually impossible" to use Other OS for piracy, because in order for a hacker to pirate a game, it is "necessary to perfectly emulate the operating system for which the game is designed, including the API, which is the interface for the game OS that supports all of the features of a game."

The filing states that when Other OS is used, API and other hardware features are blocked, including PS3′s graphics chip, thus making it "impossible to run a pirated game on the Other OS."

"Since January 2011 Sony had yet to identify a single instance in which someone used the Other OS to pirate protected content," reads the filing.

"Sony's actions are like a car manufacturer telling a buyer that it is going to remove the engine because it does not want to service the part anymore and then telling the consumer, 'tough luck, we are not going to give you a refund,'" said co-lead counsel James Pizzirusso, head of Hausfeld LLP's Consumer Protection Practice Group.

"This type of activity is exactly what our country's consumer protection laws were designed to protect against."

The suit, filed in April last year originally by Anthony Ventura, Jonathan Huber, Jason Baker, and Elton Stovell, had all but one claim dismissed with the presiding judge only allowing the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act claim to remain in tact. This was due to Sony being unable to show that removal of Other OS through firmware update 3.21 was authorized.

SCEA has until March 28 to issue a response.

You can find a copy of the amended complaint through the link up top.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/03/24/****action-suit-over-other-os-removal-claims-no-justifiable-security-reason-scea-did-it-to-save-money/

It was a money thing for SONY taking the OS out and not a security issue, come on Sony.

kozzy1234

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="Gorcman"] So.... Sony filing a questionable lawsuit against a hacker justifies a group of hackers sabotaging PSN? While it may be questionable what GeoHotz did was illegal/legal, what this group of hackers is doing to PSN is clear cut illegal.KC_Hokie