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[QUOTE="hiryu3"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] Suing Geohotz is fine. Going for an injunction against his activities is fine. Going into his Paypal account, social media account and trying to pull IP addresses of people he's talked to? You had to know those sorts of shenanigans were going to get a group like Anon offside. Sony went too far naively thinking they could "end" the piracy problem. Now they've got a much bigger one.
if this was any other case about any other item similar to Enron or anything else would them going after phone records, email records, bank notes, etc be going to far to prove a point? There's a distinction there I think, investigators got into the Enron database, and considering that Enron is their target, that's not very unusual. Trying to prove guilt by association by exploring Geohotz social media pages, and IP addresses of people on his websites, is far more circumstantial. sorry my main point is that anyone in the position Sony is in would do the exact same thing if not worse. You really think Microsoft would play nicer If their "keys to the kingdom" were given out to everyone?
[QUOTE="Timstuff"] Anon supports the free exchange of information, so why are they against Sony getting peoples' IP adresses?Danm_999Because that information is going to be used to persecute those users. Which Anon is not onboard with. And the rootkey is being used to ruin the livelihood of thousands of game developers. And the greatest part? The rootkey was obtained with no legal channel whatsoever, while Sony got PERMISSION FROM A COURT to get those IP adresses. Anonymous does not favor free information, they only believe that they should be the ones who hold the keys.
Will they? Doesn't this story kind of contradict that thinking? They have one of the biggest problems with hackers in their history ostensibly now.[QUOTE="XVision84"]
They wanted to make an example out of Geohotz, they may went overboard, but at least now people will think twice after hacking the PS3. Danm_999
Do you really think if Sony wins this fight, that hackers will be as willing to do the same with the PS4?Yes. What I'm getting from a lot of people on these forums, and seemingly from Sony, is a fundamental naivete about how hackers, pirates and illegitimate software works.XVision84
It does not go away because you want it to.
It does not go away because you sue it.
It does not go away because you shut it down.
Look at Limewire; sued for 75 trillion dollars. You'd think everyone would be too scared to every consider another P2P network; even dozens of alternatives have sprung up and flourished since the case. It is the many headed hyrda of the digital world.
So hackers will continue to rush in and ruin their lives? I just don't see it that way, but I'm surprised Limewire was sued since they basically said they're not responsible for any content used or downloaded in their network (when you download it, it's part of the ToU or ToS). Hackers will never go away, but at least they might think twice before going after the PS3? Although I can completely see how you believe it would work the other way around, especially since some hackers love thrills and challenges.
Because that information is going to be used to persecute those users. Which Anon is not onboard with. And the rootkey is being used to ruin the livelihood of thousands of game developers. And the greatest part? The rootkey was obtained with no legal channel whatsoever, while Sony got PERMISSION FROM A COURT to get those IP adresses. Anonymous does not favor free information, they only believe that they should be the ones who hold the keys. Let's step back here for a second. I think we can all agree thousands of peoples lives haven't been ruined by this incident. I think you're getting a little hyperbolic there; the PS3 is still doing remarkably well, and shows no signs of slowing. Piracy is something Sony has to cope with, not something it can eliminate. As for Anon, they favour free information so long as it does not lead to the persecution of their allies; this isn't hard to comprehend. They support people's ability to manipulate software, they do not support their incrimination to authorities. They've been involved for example, in half a dozen big global protests against despotic governments like Iran and Zimbabwe, but they didn't freely publish the names of their associates there, because that sort of information is going to get people in big trouble.[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Timstuff"] Anon supports the free exchange of information, so why are they against Sony getting peoples' IP adresses?Timstuff
So hackers will continue to rush in and ruin their lives? I just don't see it that way, but I'm surprised Limewire was sued since they basically said they're not responsible for any content used or downloaded in their network (when you download it, it's part of the ToU or ToS). Hackers will never go away, but at least they might think twice before going after the PS3? Although I can completely see how you believe it would work the other way around, especially since some hackers love thrills and challenges.What I'm saying is, it's going to be something Sony has to learn to cope with, the downside consoles are seeing now that they have more open software and online connectivity. This is the other side of that double edged sword of all those lovely console improvements we've seen this generation and late last.XVision84
It's not going to go away, you aren't going to scare people away, so learn to treat your legitimate customers with respect and kindness, close the loopholes where you can find them, and try to create the best product you can. Attempting to stop all the pirates and hackers in the world is just going to sink you.
[QUOTE="Timstuff"]And the rootkey is being used to ruin the livelihood of thousands of game developers. And the greatest part? The rootkey was obtained with no legal channel whatsoever, while Sony got PERMISSION FROM A COURT to get those IP adresses. Anonymous does not favor free information, they only believe that they should be the ones who hold the keys. Let's step back here for a second. I think we can all agree thousands of peoples lives haven't been ruined by this incident. I think you're getting a little hyperbolic there; the PS3 is still doing remarkably well, and shows no signs of slowing. Piracy is something Sony has to cope with, not something it can eliminate. As for Anon, they favour free information so long as it does not lead to the persecution of their allies; this isn't hard to comprehend. They support people's ability to manipulate software, they do not support their incrimination to authorities. They've been involved for example, in half a dozen big global protests against despotic governments like Iran and Zimbabwe, but they didn't freely publish the names of their associates there, because that sort of information is going to get people in big trouble.Sony obtained that information legally though, so anon has nothing to worry about unless they've done something with legal ramifications. Zimbabwe and Iran have no right to know the identities of the people who are protesting them, and no court grants them that information. Sony was given permission to obtain IPs by the courts, so anonymous should aim their protest at lawmakers, not the people who the law is being enforced by.[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Because that information is going to be used to persecute those users. Which Anon is not onboard with.Danm_999
Except they never actually took those things away, they still exist in the older FAT PS3 models. They simply just made another model that doesn't have those things, which is completely within their rights. In regards to Other OS, hardly anyone used it and hackers found an exploit in it. Thats why they took it out. Now all of a sudden it's the most important feature on the PS3. Millions of PS3 owners everywhere bought a PS3 for Other OS. :roll: Sure.Stripping down the PS3 without full backwards compatibility for PS2 games, flash/memory card on your own machine that you paid for?...enjoy the trouble Sony, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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What I'm saying is, it's going to be something Sony has to learn to cope with, the downside consoles are seeing now that they have more open software and online connectivity. This is the other side of that double edged sword of all those lovely console improvements we've seen this generation and late last.[QUOTE="XVision84"]So hackers will continue to rush in and ruin their lives? I just don't see it that way, but I'm surprised Limewire was sued since they basically said they're not responsible for any content used or downloaded in their network (when you download it, it's part of the ToU or ToS). Hackers will never go away, but at least they might think twice before going after the PS3? Although I can completely see how you believe it would work the other way around, especially since some hackers love thrills and challenges.
Danm_999
It's not going to go away, you aren't going to scare people away, so learn to treat your legitimate customers with respect and kindness, close the loopholes where you can find them, and try to create the best product you can. Attempting to stop all the pirates and hackers in the world is just going to sink you.
Seems fair enough, but do you really expect Sony to just sit around while somebody hacks their console, then releases the security codes?
Sony obtained that information legally though, so anon has nothing to worry about unless they've done something with legal ramifications. Timstuff
Legality isn't really the issue Sony and Anon are debating though.
Anon would probably admit it does plenty illegal, but it does it in service of its ideology of empowering consumers. They likely see Sony's attempts to go after Geohotz associates as tyrannical, even if it is sanctioned by a Northern Californian Court.
Plus you've got to remember, plenty of Anon members aren't Californian, or even American, so legally, no, Sony may not have the authority to go after them. There's still debate about whether they have the authority to go after Hotz in New Jersey.
Zimbabwe and Iran have no right to know the identities of the people who are protesting them, and no court grants them that information. Sony was given permission to obtain IPs by the courts, so anonymous should aim their protest at lawmakers, not the people who the law is being enforced by.Timstuff
Suppose Iranian and Zimbabwe courts passed laws saying they had to be informed of all the protestors identities. Would you expect Anon to comply?
No, but I'd also expect them not to generate this media circus where they're wasting all their goodwill. They can create more security measures for future consoles and sit by idly whilst hackers destroy everything but then that wont solve the issue. These hackers need to be put in their place.[QUOTE="XVision84"]
Seems fair enough, but do you really expect Sony to just sit around while somebody hacks their console, then releases the security codes?
Danm_999
These hackers need to be put in their place.Crossel777Except as I've said half a dozen times; good luck with that. It takes a special kind of naivety to think you're going to accomplish this when the US government, the entire music industry, the major Hollywood studios, and countless software companies with more experience and security expertise than Sony have failed.
Holy pooper scooper this thread is hilarious.
[QUOTE="Crossel777"]These hackers need to be put in their place.Danm_999Except as I've said half a dozen times; good luck with that. It takes a special kind of naivety to think you're going to accomplish this when the US government, the entire music industry, the major Hollywood studios, and countless software companies with more experience and security expertise than Sony have failed. Just because a fight shows no end in sight does not mean it should not be fought. If we gave into that mentality then we might as well let anarchy rein as we will likely never end crime, serious, minor, or otherwise.
Except they never actually took those things away, they still exist in the older FAT PS3 models. They simply just made another model that doesn't have those things, which is completely within their rights. In regards to Other OS, hardly anyone used it and hackers found an exploit in it. Thats why they took it out. Now all of a sudden it's the most important feature on the PS3. Millions of PS3 owners everywhere bought a PS3 for Other OS. :roll: Sure.[QUOTE="eyebrows"]
Stripping down the PS3 without full backwards compatibility for PS2 games, flash/memory card on your own machine that you paid for?...enjoy the trouble Sony, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Crossel777
Your logic is beyond flawed. I don't care if one million people purchased something that contained a feature that only I used...I paid for it, it is MY right to have it there simultaneously to play the latest games/using online. Who are you or anyone else to judge the significance or someone elses right to a feature that they paid for when it is taken away from them.
Think before you speak.
Except they never actually took those things away, they still exist in the older FAT PS3 models. They simply just made another model that doesn't have those things, which is completely within their rights. In regards to Other OS, hardly anyone used it and hackers found an exploit in it. Thats why they took it out. Now all of a sudden it's the most important feature on the PS3. Millions of PS3 owners everywhere bought a PS3 for Other OS. :roll: Sure.[QUOTE="Crossel777"]
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Stripping down the PS3 without full backwards compatibility for PS2 games, flash/memory card on your own machine that you paid for?...enjoy the trouble Sony, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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Your logic is beyond flawed. I don't care if one million people purchased something that contained a feature that only I used...I paid for it, it is MY right to have it there simultaneously to play the latest games/using online. Who are you or anyone else to judge the significance or someone elses right to a feature that they paid for when it is taken away from them.
Think before you speak.
I can't play Halo 2 online anymore even though it says I can play it online on the box. I should sue Microsoft!!!!!!!! THEY LIEESSS!!!!!!!![QUOTE="eyebrows"][QUOTE="Crossel777"] Except they never actually took those things away, they still exist in the older FAT PS3 models. They simply just made another model that doesn't have those things, which is completely within their rights. In regards to Other OS, hardly anyone used it and hackers found an exploit in it. Thats why they took it out. Now all of a sudden it's the most important feature on the PS3. Millions of PS3 owners everywhere bought a PS3 for Other OS. :roll: Sure.
Gorcman
Your logic is beyond flawed. I don't care if one million people purchased something that contained a feature that only I used...I paid for it, it is MY right to have it there simultaneously to play the latest games/using online. Who are you or anyone else to judge the significance or someone elses right to a feature that they paid for when it is taken away from them.
Think before you speak.
I can't play Halo 2 online anymore even though it says I can play it online on the box. I should sue Microsoft!!!!!!!! THEY LIEESSS!!!!!!!!Xbox 360's didn't come with Halo 2 like Other OS came with the PS3. Other OS even drove the price of the PS3 up. So consumers paid more for that feature than they would have for a PS3 without it.[QUOTE="Crossel777"]
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Stripping down the PS3 without full backwards compatibility for PS2 games, flash/memory card on your own machine that you paid for?...enjoy the trouble Sony, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Except they never actually took those things away, they still exist in the older FAT PS3 models. They simply just made another model that doesn't have those things, which is completely within their rights. In regards to Other OS, hardly anyone used it and hackers found an exploit in it. Thats why they took it out. Now all of a sudden it's the most important feature on the PS3. Millions of PS3 owners everywhere bought a PS3 for Other OS. :roll: Sure.Your logic is beyond flawed. I don't care if one million people purchased something that contained a feature that only I used...I paid for it, it is MY right to have it there simultaneously to play the latest games/using online. Who are you or anyone else to judge the significance or someone elses right to a feature that they paid for when it is taken away from them.
Think before you speak.
i think that you need to. your entire post was completely false and then he corrected you with facts. Also, OS was not advertised or even in the original units. But sony couldn't just go to someone's door and forcrefully remove it. You willingly gave up the PRIVILEDGE to use it by signing an updated ToS with the update that removed it. If anything, it was your own fault for not reading it like you were supposed to.[QUOTE="Gorcman"][QUOTE="eyebrows"]I can't play Halo 2 online anymore even though it says I can play it online on the box. I should sue Microsoft!!!!!!!! THEY LIEESSS!!!!!!!!Xbox 360's didn't come with Halo 2 like Other OS came with the PS3. Other OS even drove the price of the PS3 up. So consumers paid more for that feature than they would have for a PS3 without it.Your logic is beyond flawed. I don't care if one million people purchased something that contained a feature that only I used...I paid for it, it is MY right to have it there simultaneously to play the latest games/using online. Who are you or anyone else to judge the significance or someone elses right to a feature that they paid for when it is taken away from them.
Think before you speak.
KC_Hokie
I'm not talking about the 360. I'm talking about Halo 2. When I bought Halo 2, it advertised to me the ability to play online. Now that feature is gone. By your logic, I should throw a fit and be pissed.
[QUOTE="eyebrows"][QUOTE="Crossel777"] Except they never actually took those things away, they still exist in the older FAT PS3 models. They simply just made another model that doesn't have those things, which is completely within their rights. In regards to Other OS, hardly anyone used it and hackers found an exploit in it. Thats why they took it out. Now all of a sudden it's the most important feature on the PS3. Millions of PS3 owners everywhere bought a PS3 for Other OS. :roll: Sure.
antifanboyftw
Your logic is beyond flawed. I don't care if one million people purchased something that contained a feature that only I used...I paid for it, it is MY right to have it there simultaneously to play the latest games/using online. Who are you or anyone else to judge the significance or someone elses right to a feature that they paid for when it is taken away from them.
Think before you speak.
i think that you need to. your entire post was completely false and then he corrected you with facts. Also, OS was not advertised or even in the original units. But sony couldn't just go to someone's door and forcrefully remove it. You willingly gave up the PRIVILEDGE to use it by signing an updated ToS with the update that removed it. If anything, it was your own fault for not reading it like you were supposed to.Are you actually saying you'd rather have no choice than choice? Because if so...LOL.
Xbox 360's didn't come with Halo 2 like Other OS came with the PS3. Other OS even drove the price of the PS3 up. So consumers paid more for that feature than they would have for a PS3 without it.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Gorcman"]I can't play Halo 2 online anymore even though it says I can play it online on the box. I should sue Microsoft!!!!!!!! THEY LIEESSS!!!!!!!!Gorcman
I'm not talking about the 360. I'm talking about Halo 2. When I bought Halo 2, it advertised to me the ability to play online. Now that feature is gone. By your logic, I should throw a fit and be pissed.
You're comparing a last generation game vs. a feature on a current generation console? Are you kidding me?[QUOTE="Gorcman"][QUOTE="eyebrows"]I can't play Halo 2 online anymore even though it says I can play it online on the box. I should sue Microsoft!!!!!!!! THEY LIEESSS!!!!!!!!Xbox 360's didn't come with Halo 2 like Other OS came with the PS3. Other OS even drove the price of the PS3 up. So consumers paid more for that feature than they would have for a PS3 without it.Your logic is beyond flawed. I don't care if one million people purchased something that contained a feature that only I used...I paid for it, it is MY right to have it there simultaneously to play the latest games/using online. Who are you or anyone else to judge the significance or someone elses right to a feature that they paid for when it is taken away from them.
Think before you speak.
KC_Hokie
did you own a launch unit ps3? other os was not in them. it was added in with a firmware update after launch. it was then stated that one could boot into Linux from the hard drive or from a Live CD that the distributor's kernel would boot.
I honestly can not understand anyone who backs up Sony regarding the removal of OtherOS...what do you personally gain out of it?eyebrowsIt might have to do with 99% of PS3 owners not caring about that feature. I'm sure you are going to counter with the classic "Well if you ALLOW them to remove Other OS, what if they remove something you do care about!!!" Well they haven't and we can play What ifs all day.
I can't play Halo 2 online anymore even though it says I can play it online on the box. I should sue Microsoft!!!!!!!! THEY LIEESSS!!!!!!!![QUOTE="Gorcman"][QUOTE="eyebrows"]
Your logic is beyond flawed. I don't care if one million people purchased something that contained a feature that only I used...I paid for it, it is MY right to have it there simultaneously to play the latest games/using online. Who are you or anyone else to judge the significance or someone elses right to a feature that they paid for when it is taken away from them.
Think before you speak.
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And a game from a whole generation before this one has to do with what sorry?
What on earth do you gain from ACCEPTING that something was available to you giving you a choice in something, in this case an alternative OS?
I honestly can not understand anyone who backs up Sony regarding the removal of OtherOS...what do you personally gain out of it?
Let me guess...acting a troll and then bringing up a game from another generation. Absolutely mindless.
My point is simple. Features/services aren't meant to last forever. My example, a game ex. Halo2 promised online play. That service is obviously no longer available. No one cares or throws a fit. Nor should they. Other OS, a feature that was formerly on the PS3, is no longer available. Suddenly it's the biggest atrocity ever.did you own a launch unit ps3? other os was not in them. it was added in with a firmware update after launch. it was then stated that one could boot into Linux from the hard drive or from a Live CD that the distributor's kernel would boot.Other OS came with the first versions of PS3s. It was advertised by the CEO of Sony as a feature of the PS3.antifanboyftw
I honestly can not understand anyone who backs up Sony regarding the removal of OtherOS...what do you personally gain out of it?eyebrowsDidn't Sony say it was for security reasons?
[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"][QUOTE="eyebrows"]
Your logic is beyond flawed. I don't care if one million people purchased something that contained a feature that only I used...I paid for it, it is MY right to have it there simultaneously to play the latest games/using online. Who are you or anyone else to judge the significance or someone elses right to a feature that they paid for when it is taken away from them.
Think before you speak.
i think that you need to. your entire post was completely false and then he corrected you with facts. Also, OS was not advertised or even in the original units. But sony couldn't just go to someone's door and forcrefully remove it. You willingly gave up the PRIVILEDGE to use it by signing an updated ToS with the update that removed it. If anything, it was your own fault for not reading it like you were supposed to.Are you actually saying you'd rather have no choice than choice? Because if so...LOL.
I'm saying that you had a choice, but you still went ahead and agreed to the ToS to remove Other Os. Sony didn't force you to sign it. PSN is not a right. many priviledges aren't. you will need to understand this fact as you grow up in life. I recommend taking American Governmen (assuming you live in the U.S.) at either your local college or highschool (depending on how old you are and what options are available to you)[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"]did you own a launch unit ps3? other os was not in them. it was added in with a firmware update after launch. it was then stated that one could boot into Linux from the hard drive or from a Live CD that the distributor's kernel would boot.
Other OS came with the first versions of PS3s. It was advertised by the CEO of Sony as a feature of the PS3. no it was not. look it up. or at least give me a credible source since you keep saying that.[QUOTE="Gorcman"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Xbox 360's didn't come with Halo 2 like Other OS came with the PS3. Other OS even drove the price of the PS3 up. So consumers paid more for that feature than they would have for a PS3 without it. KC_Hokie
I'm not talking about the 360. I'm talking about Halo 2. When I bought Halo 2, it advertised to me the ability to play online. Now that feature is gone. By your logic, I should throw a fit and be pissed.
You're comparing a last generation game vs. a feature on a current generation console? Are you kidding me? What does it matter if it was last generation? A feature was promised and was taken away. You want an example of a current gen game? MLB 2k10 is having its online features taken away starting this month. By your logic, I should throw a fit and be pissed at 2k Sports.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Other OS came with the first versions of PS3s. It was advertised by the CEO of Sony as a feature of the PS3. no it was not. look it up. or at least give me a credible source since you keep saying that. Wow! So now Other OS never wasn't on launch PS3s![QUOTE="antifanboyftw"]did you own a launch unit ps3? other os was not in them. it was added in with a firmware update after launch. it was then stated that one could boot into Linux from the hard drive or from a Live CD that the distributor's kernel would boot.
antifanboyftw
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Gorcman"]You're comparing a last generation game vs. a feature on a current generation console? Are you kidding me?What does it matter if it was last generation? A feature was promised and was taken away. You want an example of a current gen game? MLB 2k10 is having its online features taken away starting this month. By your logic, I should throw a fit and be pissed at 2k Sports.Comparing current generation features that came on a console to a last generation game is pretty desperate, don't you think?I'm not talking about the 360. I'm talking about Halo 2. When I bought Halo 2, it advertised to me the ability to play online. Now that feature is gone. By your logic, I should throw a fit and be pissed.
Gorcman
I have read most of the post and here is my 2 cents. I bought the ps3 on day 1 for 800 american when it sucked. I have been a loyal user of sony's video game systems from the ps1. When I bought my system it was sold as more than a video game system. It had blu-ray and linux as major selling points because the software was not really there yet or psn. I used it as a blu-ray player and a cheap HTPC. It had some bugs but over time it worked out pretty good. Then the games came and the system lived up to the hype. Then one day I tried to logon to psn and a update was needed. I read the TOS and it said the other OS feature was going to be disabled if I upgraded my firmware.
I called sony's support center and they said you can keep the other OS if you don't use psn. I was pissed but I have a gaming pc and a 360 so I got over it. Then I brought Red Dead and it said to play this game you must update your firmware. I read the TOS and again it said the other OS feature would be disabled. I called sony again and they basically gave me the finger saying I had to update my system. Now I spent thousands of dollars on their system and they were basically saying F-you. So I took the game back to the store. So all the new games needed a firmware update to play even offline. So now I could no longer use the system I bought for gaming offline or online. So said they had the right to update the system. Updates ADD features not REMOVE THEM!!!
This when the ps3 started getting attention by hackers. So that we could use the system that we payed money for. Sony was also sued over their removal of the features they promised. Then the ps3 was hacked. Now we could use our system like normal. I say screw Sony they deserve whatever happens to them and I will no longer buy their products.
What does it matter if it was last generation? A feature was promised and was taken away. You want an example of a current gen game? MLB 2k10 is having its online features taken away starting this month. By your logic, I should throw a fit and be pissed at 2k Sports.Comparing current generation features that came on a console to a last generation game is pretty desperate, don't you think? I just gave an example of a current gen game.[QUOTE="Gorcman"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]You're comparing a last generation game vs. a feature on a current generation console? Are you kidding me?KC_Hokie
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Comparing current generation features that came on a console to a last generation game is pretty desperate, don't you think?I just gave an example of a current gen game. So that's the fault of that game's developer. What does that have to do with Sony taking away features of a console?[QUOTE="Gorcman"]What does it matter if it was last generation? A feature was promised and was taken away. You want an example of a current gen game? MLB 2k10 is having its online features taken away starting this month. By your logic, I should throw a fit and be pissed at 2k Sports.Gorcman
[QUOTE="eyebrows"][QUOTE="antifanboyftw"] i think that you need to. your entire post was completely false and then he corrected you with facts. Also, OS was not advertised or even in the original units. But sony couldn't just go to someone's door and forcrefully remove it. You willingly gave up the PRIVILEDGE to use it by signing an updated ToS with the update that removed it. If anything, it was your own fault for not reading it like you were supposed to.antifanboyftw
Are you actually saying you'd rather have no choice than choice? Because if so...LOL.
I'm saying that you had a choice, but you still went ahead and agreed to the ToS to remove Other Os. Sony didn't force you to sign it. PSN is not a right. many priviledges aren't. you will need to understand this fact as you grow up in life. I recommend taking American Governmen (assuming you live in the U.S.) at either your local college or highschool (depending on how old you are and what options are available to you)PSN? Erm try playing the latest games on my GAMES console in removing that feature. Jeez you are so desperate.
[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Other OS came with the first versions of PS3s. It was advertised by the CEO of Sony as a feature of the PS3.
no it was not. look it up. or at least give me a credible source since you keep saying that. Wow! So now Other OS never wasn't on launch PS3s! good, boy. remember the ps3 manual site for the ps3? it states that you needed to update the system to 1.60 to even get Linux. You are thinking about that sony had stated that they intended to give the ps3 the use of other operating systems before that time. so you may be right about them announcing it, but i would hardly call that advertising it. that would be in the form of lists of features (like on the boxes) or on the TV.[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"][QUOTE="eyebrows"]
Are you actually saying you'd rather have no choice than choice? Because if so...LOL.
I'm saying that you had a choice, but you still went ahead and agreed to the ToS to remove Other Os. Sony didn't force you to sign it. PSN is not a right. many priviledges aren't. you will need to understand this fact as you grow up in life. I recommend taking American Governmen (assuming you live in the U.S.) at either your local college or highschool (depending on how old you are and what options are available to you)PSN? Erm try playing the latest games on my GAMES console in removing that feature. Jeez you are so desperate.
you don't need PSN to play new games on the ps3 and that means that you don't need to update. so, you either never had Other OS on your ps3 to begin with, or you did access PSN (and signed the ToS) and downloaded an update that removed it. DO you understand yet?[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Wow! So now Other OS never wasn't on launch PS3s! good, boy. remember the ps3 manual site for the ps3? it states that you needed to update the system to 1.60 to even get Linux. You are thinking about that sony had stated that they intended to give the ps3 the use of other operating systems before that time. so you may be right about them announcing it, but i would hardly call that advertising it. that would be in the form of lists of features (like on the boxes) or on the TV.Other OS came with the PS3. I wasn't even talking about Linux.[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"] no it was not. look it up. or at least give me a credible source since you keep saying that. antifanboyftw
There's no proof that the problems of PSN today are from Anonymous seeing as they just annoucned it like today (or yesterday). Anyways, they're right, Sony is abusing the judicial system. if they had solid grounds to sue Geohot, they'd have done so and won by now, but instead they are playing dirty and sneaky to fish for grounds to sue him, even claiming things like he owns a PSN account when its actually his neighbours account, or suing in judicially crippled California where rules are twisted compared to the rest of the states.Who in the world supports these morons ? Anonomys group of hackers are targeting Sony because of GeoHot and the other guy. So now PSN is experiencing difficulties and people cant log in or get extreme lag while playing games. They are really hurting US gamers the most because we are the ones that are suffering! Because of Geo there are tons of cheaters now and people playing with their modded PS3's and pirating games like no tommorow and there are people here that still defend these a holes.http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/04/playstation-websites-psn-suffer-outage-anonymous-claims-respon/ and Ananomys claims responsibility.
telefanatic
They deserve much worse, but the hackers should not be attacking PSN which in turn affects end users. In fact, i'm willing to be the problems PSN is having today is NOT anonymous because they said in their little manifesto that they'd be going after Sony's private networks.. whish excludes PSN which is a public network.
There's no proof that the problems of PSN today are from Anonymous seeing as they just annoucned it like today (or yesterday). Anyways, they're right, Sony is abusing the judicial system. if they had solid grounds to sue Geohot, they'd have done so and won by now, but instead they are playing dirty and sneaky to fish for grounds to sue him, even claiming things like he owns a PSN account when its actually his neighbours account, or suing in judicially crippled California where rules are twisted compared to the rest of the states.[QUOTE="telefanatic"]
Who in the world supports these morons ? Anonomys group of hackers are targeting Sony because of GeoHot and the other guy. So now PSN is experiencing difficulties and people cant log in or get extreme lag while playing games. They are really hurting US gamers the most because we are the ones that are suffering! Because of Geo there are tons of cheaters now and people playing with their modded PS3's and pirating games like no tommorow and there are people here that still defend these a holes.http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/04/playstation-websites-psn-suffer-outage-anonymous-claims-respon/ and Ananomys claims responsibility.
Phazevariance
They deserve much worse, but the hackers should not be attacking PSN which in turn affects end users. In fact, i'm willing to be the problems PSN is having today is NOT anonymous because they said in their little manifesto that they'd be going after Sony's private networks.. whish excludes PSN which is a public network.
Because lawsuits can actually finish in this time.
Oh. Wait. They stay in litigation for months, if not years.
I have read most of the post and here is my 2 cents. I bought the ps3 on day 1 for 800 american when it sucked. I have been a loyal user of sony's video game systems from the ps1. When I bought my system it was sold as more than a video game system. It had blu-ray and linux as major selling points because the software was not really there yet or psn. I used it as a blu-ray player and a cheap HTPC. It had some bugs but over time it worked out pretty good. Then the games came and the system lived up to the hype. Then one day I tried to logon to psn and a update was needed. I read the TOS and it said the other OS feature was going to be disabled if I upgraded my firmware.
I called sony's support center and they said you can keep the other OS if you don't use psn. I was pissed but I have a gaming pc and a 360 so I got over it. Then I brought Red Dead and it said to play this game you must update your firmware. I read the TOS and again it said the other OS feature would be disabled. I called sony again and they basically gave me the finger saying I had to update my system. Now I spent thousands of dollars on their system and they were basically saying F-you. So I took the game back to the store. So all the new games needed a firmware update to play even offline. So now I could no longer use the system I bought for gaming offline or online. So said they had the right to update the system. Updates ADD features not REMOVE THEM!!!
This when the ps3 started getting attention by hackers. So that we could use the system that we payed money for. Sony was also sued over their removal of the features they promised. Then the ps3 was hacked. Now we could use our system like normal. I say screw Sony they deserve whatever happens to them and I will no longer buy their products.
now here is someone who actually is capable of presenting an accurate argument. If this is true that you need to update to play any games (even offline) that is. I don't know. That issue has never appeared for me. It has only been when I wanted to access the online portion of said games. I do not completely believe you, but i somewhat remember this being true for certain psp games several years back, so you may be right.Please Log In to post.
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