You guys like these hackers ? PSN experiencing difficulties.

XBOX Live Head of Security guys gamertag was also hacked (nothing to do with anonymous though). The future doesn't look bright lol

dahui58

[QUOTE="dahui58"]

XBOX Live Head of Security guys gamertag was also hacked (nothing to do with anonymous though). The future doesn't look bright lol

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="Chogyam"]

Meanwhile, at PSN headquarters, the techs seem to be isolating the cause.

Yangire

*right click*

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why don't you have a seat over there.

It doesnt matter if u suport them or despise them, the most important rule of the internets is never mess with 4 chan or anonymous.

GeoHotz and this whole thing needs to be brought to an end now, how much longer can this drag out. Sony should win, its plain and simple, if you break teh terms of service, you get whats coming to you. I mean whatever, you wanna mod your console etc etc, but you shared it all online... of course your gonna get caught and sued. I just dont get how stupid people can be. Why even bother hacking the ps3, he knows dam well that its just gonna increase piracy, I dont think he cares. Thousands of people jobs and families depend on the sales of games so that they dont get laid off from their company. You think GeoHotz cares about that? No of course he doesnt, I think he should be stripped of everything he has and sentenced to live as a homeless man for a year. That really seems fitting at this point in time. Hakcers that do damage to others/pirate, all of them, are the most irresponsible immature bunch..

bri360

I don't think these hackers would be targeting Sony as hard as they are if they weren't actively fighting against them as hard as they are by blasting GeoHot. Sony is fighting an ultimately pointless battle they can't possibly win against the hackers of Anonymous.

http://blogs.forbes.com/insertcoin/2011/04/05/anonymous-declares-war-on-sony/ [QUOTE="Anon"]But today there's a new battlefront, as Anonymous has turned to start finding and publishing personal information about Sony executives. When the info is located, advice on the forums suggest to crank call them on Skype, place Craigslist erotic personals in their name and send their friends and loved ones "STD postcards" announcing a newly acquired disease. No one ever said they were mature, as often being straight up malicious overshadows the primary directive of the group. Nothing is sacred, and dueling with Anonymous is like trying to have a fistfight where your opponent kicks you in the groin, throws sand in your face and stabs you with a razor blade. As of now, Sony.com and Playstation.com are online, and the PSN is back up almost everywhere. I agree that Sony isn't handling this hacking disaster particularly well, but it's hard to condone Anonymous's tactics either. More on the ongoing war as additional fronts develop. jakandsig

their ideology of activism is a very skewed and crude one at best.Just shows the flat out childishness of their "collective".If thats the lengths and how low they wish to stoop to try and get their message across is hillarious.

They fight for privacy yet snoop in others to achieve their own aims is hypocritcal.Its entirely laughable at best no other way to descrive it.

If i ever get info on anyone associated with Anon i would sure sure to post it and declare it in the name of karma being a **** :) and see how they would like that stuff sent to them.Altho i can see them starting to snoop into people saying they are wrong and doing a lot of really silly things.

This isnt hactivism, i would actually say if they wish to do this message its more or less harassment AND invasion of privacy they keep oh so sacred.

[QUOTE="jakandsig"]http://blogs.forbes.com/insertcoin/2011/04/05/anonymous-declares-war-on-sony/ [QUOTE="Anon"]But today there's a new battlefront, as Anonymous has turned to start finding and publishing personal information about Sony executives. When the info is located, advice on the forums suggest to crank call them on Skype, place Craigslist erotic personals in their name and send their friends and loved ones "STD postcards" announcing a newly acquired disease. No one ever said they were mature, as often being straight up malicious overshadows the primary directive of the group. Nothing is sacred, and dueling with Anonymous is like trying to have a fistfight where your opponent kicks you in the groin, throws sand in your face and stabs you with a razor blade. As of now, Sony.com and Playstation.com are online, and the PSN is back up almost everywhere. I agree that Sony isn't handling this hacking disaster particularly well, but it's hard to condone Anonymous's tactics either. More on the ongoing war as additional fronts develop. razgriz_101

their ideology of activism is a very skewed and crude one at best.Just shows the flat out childishness of their "collective".If thats the lengths and how low they wish to stoop to try and get their message across is hillarious.

They fight for privacy yet snoop in others to achieve their own aims is hypocritcal.Its entirely laughable at best no other way to descrive it.

If i ever get info on anyone associated with Anon i would sure sure to post it and declare it in the name of karma being a **** :) and see how they would like that stuff sent to them.Altho i can see them starting to snoop into people saying they are wrong and doing a lot of really silly things.

This isnt hactivism, i would actually say if they wish to do this message its more or less harassment AND invasion of privacy they keep oh so sacred.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="jakandsig"] These idiots get dumber everyday.blue_hazy_basic

their ideology of activism is a very skewed and crude one at best.Just shows the flat out childishness of their "collective".If thats the lengths and how low they wish to stoop to try and get their message across is hillarious.

They fight for privacy yet snoop in others to achieve their own aims is hypocritcal.Its entirely laughable at best no other way to descrive it.

If i ever get info on anyone associated with Anon i would sure sure to post it and declare it in the name of karma being a **** :) and see how they would like that stuff sent to them.Altho i can see them starting to snoop into people saying they are wrong and doing a lot of really silly things.

This isnt hactivism, i would actually say if they wish to do this message its more or less harassment AND invasion of privacy they keep oh so sacred.

Still think they are a hypocritical bunch of basement dwellers bawwing mainly cause they ran out of pizzas.Anon's just gonna add more fuel to the proverbial fire with stuff like this regardless how far geo tries to disassociate himself from Anon, hes goin to be tarred with the brush regardless.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="jakandsig"] These idiots get dumber everyday.blue_hazy_basic

their ideology of activism is a very skewed and crude one at best.Just shows the flat out childishness of their "collective".If thats the lengths and how low they wish to stoop to try and get their message across is hillarious.

They fight for privacy yet snoop in others to achieve their own aims is hypocritcal.Its entirely laughable at best no other way to descrive it.

If i ever get info on anyone associated with Anon i would sure sure to post it and declare it in the name of karma being a **** :) and see how they would like that stuff sent to them.Altho i can see them starting to snoop into people saying they are wrong and doing a lot of really silly things.

This isnt hactivism, i would actually say if they wish to do this message its more or less harassment AND invasion of privacy they keep oh so sacred.

Its a crappy situation but all in all Sony started it.

right now cause of anonymous and their supporting hotz in a malicious manner.I could totally actually see Sony adding criminal damage or suing for reperations cause of downtime etc of their services aswell even tho he wasnt involved.

If anything Anon has shown themselves to be more a nuisance than anything else in this case,they keep this up nobody will take them seriously and at the same times could cause more headaches and allegations to the table against hotz.

Neither party is essentially right, but the whole propaganda of anon is skewed aswell, the whole ip tracing thing is most likely to see where the most hits are and various other things so they can maybe shift the trial elsewhere.

If i ever met someone who supports Anonymous in the street after a few of their childish stunts (including this whole crank calling stuff) i would blatantly punch them in the face and say do you even know the meaning of activism and it being in a legal manner?

They are like the PETA of the internet.

Could absolutely care less about hackers. I havent played my PS3 online in I dont know how long. I have no downloadable content to mess with. I have no credit card info on my account. I have no worries..

Its a crappy situation but all in all Sony started it.

Shirokishi_

No they didn't. GeoHot did, when he claimed that he had hacked the PS3 over a year ago.

Sony responded by investigating the matter, then removing OtherOS on account of it being a flaw in their security.

So really, if GeoHot hadn't tried to get attention (or if he hadn't hacked the system in the first place), this is unlikely to have happened. At least until some other hacker tried to do the same thing...but even then, it'd be the hackers starting it.

Man, i've ben waiting to post these pics.

Sony is gonna loose and fall, they can't win against Legion. Damn, this feels like Vendetta.

Man, i've ben waiting to post these pics.

Sony is gonna loose and fall, they can't win against Legion. Damn, this feels like Vendetta.

Lucianu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EShfq_9Dei8:P

This is now affecting me.

Not cool.

Silverbond

You're right, this is not just Sony, they're screwing up everyone.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

This is now affecting me.

Not cool.

You're right, this is not just Sony, they're screwing up everyone.

Apologise for what?

These guys are asking for trouble, I hope they find it.

Now the hackers are targeting the employees and their families http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/85377/hackers-now-begin-targeting-sony-employees-and-their-families/LastRambo341

yea anytime individuals get singled out and harassed thats taking it too far.

But im sure anon will just order them pizzas and whatnot... they wont do anything as evil as harass them in court in an attempt to bankrupt them.

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

I rarely play MPs and just go online to check on the PSN store every thursday... but I guess this is not cool at all.

And then we have the peeps who wonder why most of us are against Geo :roll:

GreenGoblin2099

:o

Good point!!

Damn those ****ers!! :x

This is really getting incredibly pathetic. It's not going to change anything, there are more productive ways of getting Sony to listen - e.g. talking to them about how to make the feature secure or something, not just some crying with people throwing their toys out the pram and pissing off the company.Ravensmash

except these attacks will cost sony millions... and when sony contemplates their next dick move. They are going to be taking into consideration the cost of acting like a massive douche.

Sony isnt going to back down from their lawsuit, this will just make them think twice about next time they want to abuse the legal system to harass people. Which is the goal Anonymous is going for.

Its also going to get all the other Sony business units putting in calls to SCEA asking why their websites are being brought down because SCEA is too stupid to handle their business. Which ultimately might lead to said incompetent people, losing their jobs.

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[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"] now here is someone who actually is capable of presenting an accurate argument. If this is true that you need to update to play any games (even offline) that is. I don't know. That issue has never appeared for me. It has only been when I wanted to access the online portion of said games. I do not completely believe you, but i somewhat remember this being true for certain psp games several years back, so you may be right.Indie_Hitman

I would have had no problem with Sony if they had refunded my money or if all the new games did not need a firmware update just to play.

No it is NOT did you read my post at all. The update 3.21 started the problems for me and it was at 1st only on psn. That was back in march/april of 2010. I was still able to game offline. Then starting with Read dead in may 2010 games started needing firmware 3.21 or higher just to play them offline. Sony basically bricked my ps3 as a gaming machine just to force me to get rid of the other OS. Oh and Sony also broke the backward compatibility so they could pimp old games on psn with firmware updates. Sony also refused to refund my money after I spent thousands of dollars on the ps3 unit,games,and accessories . I am happy the system got hacked so I can use my ps3 as a gaming machine and buy games like a normal ps3 user. Sony forced this issue on themselves by their bully tactics imo. I will no longer support sony or any console after this gen. I will stick with pc gaming.

[QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"][QUOTE="Rude_Bwoii"]

I would have had no problem with Sony if they had refunded my money or if all the new games did not need a firmware update just to play.

No it is NOT did you read my post at all. The update 3.21 started the problems for me and it was at 1st only on psn. That was back in march/april of 2010. I was still able to game offline. Then starting with Read dead in may 2010 games started needing firmware 3.21 or higher just to play them offline. Sony basically bricked my ps3 as a gaming machine just to force me to get rid of the other OS. Oh and Sony also broke the backward compatibility so they could pimp old games on psn with firmware updates. Sony also refused to refund my money after I spent thousands of dollars on the ps3 unit,games,and accessories . I am happy the system got hacked so I can use my ps3 as a gaming machine and buy games like a normal ps3 user. Sony forced this issue on themselves by their bully tactics imo. I will no longer support sony or any console after this gen. I will stick with pc gaming.

except these attacks will cost sony millions... markinthedark

Sony abused the legal system as much as geo did in the short span of time this has been carrying on. Lol let me send you part of my harddrive when it clearly said HARD DRIVE, as in FULL HARD DRIVE Lol SCEA? What is SCEA? Neighbour created psn account i tell ya, it was the neighbour! Acting like a clueless person is his way to get outta the problem. Also anonymous shouldn't attack SCEA, because goddamn, not even Geo or his lawyers know what SCEA is! Supposedly Sony japan is suing them. Funnily enough playstation.com is redirecting many people to the jp website. If they attack the japan website server when japan is an affected country because of all the earthquake-tsunami problems, this will explode right on anon face.blitzcloud

He gave them the full hard drives. Sony was lying about that.... as they have lied about him fleeing the country, and everything else.

as they have lied about him fleeing the country, and everything else.markinthedark

I'm actually curious as to how large this anon group going after Sony is because so far they have had pretty pathetic results for being the legendary Anon. Chances are it's just a small cell of the group being idiots. I can't get past the wall of idiocy some people are throwing up when they call Sony evil so I wont even try, all I have to say is...Sony evil? U mad?Jynxzor

What people need to realize is that Anonymous is a group only inasmuch as anyone can call themselves "Anonymous". This article (NOTE: the article contains some quotes/images/conversations featuring Anonymous' usual not-so-SFW language) does a really good job of detailing just how messy and unorganized the group (if you can even call it that) is.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]except these attacks will cost sony millions... Jynxzor

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]This is really getting incredibly pathetic. It's not going to change anything, there are more productive ways of getting Sony to listen - e.g. talking to them about how to make the feature secure or something, not just some crying with people throwing their toys out the pram and pissing off the company.markinthedark

except these attacks will cost sony millions... and when sony contemplates their next dick move. They are going to be taking into consideration the cost of acting like a massive douche.

Sony isnt going to back down from their lawsuit, this will just make them think twice about next time they want to abuse the legal system to harass people. Which is the goal Anonymous is going for.

Its also going to get all the other Sony business units putting in calls to SCEA asking why their websites are being brought down because SCEA is too stupid to handle their business. Which ultimately might lead to said incompetent people, losing their jobs.

[QUOTE="chrion133"]

Listen I hate cheaters, but when I buy something, its now mine, I dont care what contract you have. If I buy a toaster I can turn it into anything I want, when I buy a console Its now 100% my property, and 0% sony's, and if they have a problem with that, then come step on my property so I can introduce you to a couple rounds fired in close proximity to you. Get it? See the online hacking and cheating is a terrible thing, but If im broke and decide to mod my machine to play burnt games in single player atleast, to bad so sad, its MY machine I can do whatever I want with it. And when A huge multi million dollar company goes after 1 kid in court, and then pays gaming news sites to post news making the kid look bad, think about it...if that was a movie you were watching, you would be rooting for the kid, not the greedy coorporation.

Indie_Hitman

Ok 2 things, first this is america if someone is tresspasing on your property you can get a gun out and shoot a warning shot if they dont leave after repeated warnings, thats not illegal, I did say "close proximity" not "into people". Im not really shooting at anyone, its just an example to slam home the idea that no company ever will have any control over my property. Second, If I cant use my own belongings without being FORCED to sign a contract then the contract is now 100% officially VOID. You see if I was to buy a toaster and only when I go to make toast, it blocks me and makes me sign something, sorry no go, I would just rip it open and use it anyway, quite legally. If I made a robot in my house that cleanse my floor out of my toaster parts, thats my business and the company that made the toaster has nothing to do with it, because its MY PROPERTY. If I buy a new car and put a new engine in it, or replace the rims, or anything I want really, I may void my warranty, but they are not allowed to legally "BRICK" my car, because its my property. Just as a console, no matter what they may believe and try to enforce with wierd software laws, is MY PROPERTY, Ill do whatever, whenever I feel like it with that item because its mine. Again 100% mine, my property and 0% Sony's, if they had any right whatsoever to have any control at all over what goes on with my PS3, well ladies and gentlemen thats whats called a "rental agreement". So once again, if I can use the system in any way I like without signing it, fine, if they force me to sign to use my own personal belongings then they deserve to be hacked and tortured by online hackers, because thats evil. A multi million dollar company enforcing control over your property and personal belongings is innately wicked, if you cant seem to understand this basic point and fact, then you have lost touch with the point of being an american.

as far as I can tell there larger exploits are due to a mass of Anon gathering, I'm doubtfull at best they could have done some of the things without a large mass. I would assume because those other exploits were about things that sort of mattered.

I can only imagine a small splinter cell getting upset about geohot, especially sense Geohot himself is pretty against anons style anyways but braging about what he did.

if you cant seem to understand this basic point and fact, then you have lost touch with the point of being an american.chrion133

Anyways this is beside the point comparing the PS3 to a toaster or any other mundane object is rather silly as intrinsically it's a social device that can effect others around you and not only yourself. Sony gave you every chance and right to use your machine offline "making comparable to a toaster" but when you want to play it online your stepping into grey teritory as far as the law is concerned.

Sony "enforcing" control over your property when it's also "enforced" with protecting it's consumers is not a stretch of the imagination, if you don't understand this basic point and fact...You have lost touch with reality.

[QUOTE="blitzcloud"]Sony abused the legal system as much as geo did in the short span of time this has been carrying on. Lol let me send you part of my harddrive when it clearly said HARD DRIVE, as in FULL HARD DRIVE Lol SCEA? What is SCEA? Neighbour created psn account i tell ya, it was the neighbour! Acting like a clueless person is his way to get outta the problem. Also anonymous shouldn't attack SCEA, because goddamn, not even Geo or his lawyers know what SCEA is! Supposedly Sony japan is suing them. Funnily enough playstation.com is redirecting many people to the jp website. If they attack the japan website server when japan is an affected country because of all the earthquake-tsunami problems, this will explode right on anon face.markinthedark

He gave them the full hard drives. Sony was lying about that.... as they have lied about him fleeing the country, and everything else.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]except these attacks will cost sony millions... Jynxzor

Im not entirely sure what you expect them to be doing....DDOS attacks cost alot of money to deal with... even if thats all they do Anon will have made their point. But given all the attention the internets is giving anon on this one, i wouldnt be surprised if it fueled their egos and kept them interested.

And sony has a pretty bad track record of evil crap.... and im not mad, im happy sony is getting what they deserve. Whether its secretly installing rootkits on people's computers or Sony setting up surveillance on environmentalists that were trying to pass laws so Sony cant pollute.... or their latest harass people in court with money and lies rather than legal grounds technique.

Sony loves doing shady crap to its customers, stripping consumer rights is pretty much their favorite past time.

Sony loves doing shady crap to its customers, stripping consumer rights is pretty much their favorite past time.markinthedark

Damn that evil Sony, giving gamers otherOs even when they didnt have to and no other console manufacturer was going beyond this call of duty, and then they have the audacity to try and protect thier business from piracy and cheating?

Yeah they deserve Anon's 5 minutes of psn down-time wrath :x

Damn that evil Sony, giving gamers otherOs even when they didnt have to and no other console manufacturer was going beyond this call of duty, and then they have the audacity to try and protect thier business from piracy and cheating?

Yeah they deserve Anon's 5 minutes of psn down-time wrath :x

Zaibach

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]except these attacks will cost sony millions... markinthedark

Sony loves doing shady crap to its customers, stripping consumer rights is pretty much their favorite past time.

Out of all the companies i've dealt with in my time on this planet the best 2 for customer service i have found are Sony and Fender music instruments have probably been the best 2.

Look, hackers are not pirates. Pirates are not hackers. If you have downloaded a single MP3 that you did not pwn on CD or purchase legally from iTunes, then YOU are a pirate. Does that make you a hacker? No. A hacker is someone who breaks through security often to prove that they can. A hacker can perform DDoS attackes on companies, or break into a network.

A pirate is someone who uses those exploits and uses their knowledge to steal something. For example, a coder created MP3 file format, a coder developed P2P file sharing, and a pirate (as in you guys) download the mp3's using the other peoples code/hacks. They are very different, and Geohot is a hacker, not a pirate.

For those that fail to see the difference here, you should be looking in the mirror and asking yourself "did I steal that song? Did I jailbreak my phone and downlaod an app for free that usually costs?" If you truly think pirates should be stripped of everything and thrown into jail, then everyone whose download a single MP3 should be there too.

Now, if you bought a TV to watch .. you know.. tv on, then decided to attach a PVR, suddenly you can skip commercials! Imagine if your cable company said "no you cant use a PVR thats not what your TV was designed for and we need commercial revenue to keep tv alive" and then they made a firmware update that blocked your TV from working with your PVR... how would you feel? You would feel a bit violated, as if some other company is telling you what you can and cannot do with your TV. This is what the geohot case is all about. He buys his PS3, it has a feature, sony removes it because it does stuff they don't want, and he hacks the console (with other hackers) to find keys that unlock it so they can add those features back on. Those keys get released, and pirate coders decide to create the ability to play games illegally. It boils down to Sony's falut (not to mention the keys were found from a mistake in the code BY sony).

So stop complaining about hackers that should be jailed, and start to focus on the fact that pirates and hackers are not the same thing, and that this case is about your rights as the owner of the products you buy, to be able to do what you want with those products after purchase. I know my TV still uses a PVR... what about yours?