You guys like these hackers ? PSN experiencing difficulties.

Look, hackers are not pirates. Pirates are not hackers. If you have downloaded a single MP3 that you did not pwn on CD or purchase legally from iTunes, then YOU are a pirate. Does that make you a hacker? No. A hacker is someone who breaks through security often to prove that they can. A hacker can perform DDoS attackes on companies, or break into a network.

A pirate is someone who uses those exploits and uses their knowledge to steal something. For example, a coder created MP3 file format, a coder developed P2P file sharing, and a pirate (as in you guys) download the mp3's using the other peoples code/hacks. They are very different, and Geohot is a hacker, not a pirate.

For those that fail to see the difference here, you should be looking in the mirror and asking yourself "did I steal that song? Did I jailbreak my phone and downlaod an app for free that usually costs?" If you truly think pirates should be stripped of everything and thrown into jail, then everyone whose download a single MP3 should be there too.

Now, if you bought a TV to watch .. you know.. tv on, then decided to attach a PVR, suddenly you can skip commercials! Imagine if your cable company said "no you cant use a PVR thats not what your TV was designed for and we need commercial revenue to keep tv alive" and then they made a firmware update that blocked your TV from working with your PVR... how would you feel? You would feel a bit violated, as if some other company is telling you what you can and cannot do with your TV. This is what the geohot case is all about. He buys his PS3, it has a feature, sony removes it because it does stuff they don't want, and he hacks the console (with other hackers) to find keys that unlock it so they can add those features back on. Those keys get released, and pirate coders decide to create the ability to play games illegally. It boils down to Sony's falut (not to mention the keys were found from a mistake in the code BY sony).

So stop complaining about hackers that should be jailed, and start to focus on the fact that pirates and hackers are not the same thing, and that this case is about your rights as the owner of the products you buy, to be able to do what you want with those products after purchase. I know my TV still uses a PVR... what about yours?

Phazevariance

[QUOTE="blitzcloud"]Sony abused the legal system as much as geo did in the short span of time this has been carrying on. Lol let me send you part of my harddrive when it clearly said HARD DRIVE, as in FULL HARD DRIVE Lol SCEA? What is SCEA? Neighbour created psn account i tell ya, it was the neighbour! Acting like a clueless person is his way to get outta the problem. Also anonymous shouldn't attack SCEA, because goddamn, not even Geo or his lawyers know what SCEA is! Supposedly Sony japan is suing them. Funnily enough playstation.com is redirecting many people to the jp website. If they attack the japan website server when japan is an affected country because of all the earthquake-tsunami problems, this will explode right on anon face.markinthedark

He gave them the full hard drives. Sony was lying about that.... as they have lied about him fleeing the country, and everything else.

specially since the ones treating the hdd controllers are not sony, but a third party.

And he didn't fly to South America, right. HIS LAWYERS SAID IT IN THE MAIL as a reason as to why the remaining parts would not be delivered.

From: Michael Grennier [redacted email address]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 7:56 AM
To: Stewart Kellar; Gaudreau, Holly
Cc: Robert Kleeger; Yasha Heidari; Boroumand Smith, Mehrnaz; Bricker, Ryan; Jack C. Praetzellis;
[redacted email address][redacted email address]

Subject: Imaging of encrypted drives. CRM:0003005

All,
We took the drives out of our evidence locker and the evidence bag to image them in their current encrypted state
as stated in the order and agreed to on our phone call yesterday. We have determined that the controller cards
which are screwed onto the hard drives were removed prior to them being given to us. Therefore we are unable
to operate the hard drives in their current state. Keep in mind that we need two days to image these drives as we
have to image two 1TB drives.

I would recommend that Mr. Hotz forward to us immediately both the hard drive controller cards, screws and
anything else he may have including the complete computer system (minus the monitor, keyboard and mouse) so
that we can be prepared to complete the forensic imaging process (both encrypted and un-encrypted).
The drives have been returned to the evidence bag and locker at this time.

Regards,

Mike

Michael Grennier, CFCE, EnCE

TheIntelligenceGroupmail

Merhnaz,
Your concerns are completely unfounded. To the contrary, Mr. Hotz has gone above and beyond what he has been required to do. Mr. Hotz was ordered to provide his hard drives and storage devices on which any circumvention devices were stored-- nothing more. As your co-counsel is aware, Mr. Hotz is currently out of the country, so your unilateral demand to have him provide the controllers by noon tomorrow is not only unreasonable, but simply not possible. No explanation is necessary as Mr. Hotz fully complied with the terms of the Court's order.

Best regards, Yasha

_____________________________________

Yasha Heidarimail

According to you, TheIntelligence group is now Sony, and according to you again Yasha Heidari (Egohot lawyer) is Sony aswell.

Now please, read more into the case before making claims that are simply not true, if possible.

I've been out of the gaming news loop, recently. This is terrible. :|

I love the way the PS3 serial numbers Sony produced don't even match the one on Hotz' PS3. KC_Hokie

I think Hotz has multiple PS3s (didn't he state this?) and gave the court one that wasn't connected to PSN.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I love the way the PS3 serial numbers Sony produced don't even match the one on Hotz' PS3. Episode_Eve

I think Hotz has multiple PS3s (didn't he state this?) and gave the court one that wasn't connected to PSN.

I love the way the PS3 serial numbers Sony produced don't even match the one on Hotz' PS3. KC_Hokie

"CG221368477-CECH-4489."

They just got the model wrong, that doesn't make the serial wrong, because the serial is the part before the model number. Should I remind you that it's probably because the psn account has that system tied and they chose the wrong model for whatever reason. The numerical part still would only exist once regardless the model to prevent ANYONE from registering a PS3 with that same serial and just placing another model. So yeah, they were 100% right.

In fact I just registered my ps3 with another console model, same id (as my fat). See? it's something that came from the PSN details so.... Busted.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I love the way the PS3 serial numbers Sony produced don't even match the one on Hotz' PS3. KC_Hokie

I think Hotz has multiple PS3s (didn't he state this?) and gave the court one that wasn't connected to PSN.

Lol, hell naw.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I love the way the PS3 serial numbers Sony produced don't even match the one on Hotz' PS3. Episode_Eve

I think Hotz has multiple PS3s (didn't he state this?) and gave the court one that wasn't connected to PSN.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I love the way the PS3 serial numbers Sony produced don't even match the one on Hotz' PS3. blitzcloud

"CG221368477-CECH-4489."

They just got the model wrong, that doesn't make the serial wrong, because the serial is the part before the model number. Should I remind you that it's probably because the psn account has that system tied and they chose the wrong model for whatever reason. The numerical part still would only exist once regardless the model to prevent ANYONE from registering a PS3 with that same serial and just placing another model. So yeah, they were 100% right.

In fact I just registered my ps3 with another console model, same id. See? it's something that came from the PSN details so.... Busted.

I've been out of the gaming news loop, recently. This is terrible. :|

Episode_Eve

Anon is just making PS3 hackers look even worse.

They said the attacks will be on for the next few days ect but they don't exactly last long.

They're annoying the consumers yet supporting GeoHotz and GeoHotz is ment to be fighting for the consumers?

Total mess.

Oh guys lets just take down a few websites and servers like we always do bla bla bla.

Anon is just making PS3 hackers look even worse.

They said the attacks will be on for the next few days ect but they don't exactly last long.

They're annoying the consumers yet supporting GeoHotz and GeoHotz is ment to be fighting for the consumers?

Total mess.

Oh guys lets just take down a few websites and servers like we always do bla bla bla.

fusionhunter

In court Sony's lawyers can't be like "ahhh......I really meant what it says on the PS3!"KC_Hokie

It says the same minus the console model number which is wrong because, probably, the PSN account discovered (blikmaniac thing) registered a wrong model number. Still the serial itself is the part before the - and it fits 100%. If he used the wrong model in the dropdown menu, it's not sony's fault. The model number itself is a recognition system for users and sony alike. It's an extra bit of info attached to a serial number. It's not part of it, as the - suggests.

[QUOTE="fusionhunter"]

Anon is just making PS3 hackers look even worse.

They said the attacks will be on for the next few days ect but they don't exactly last long.

They're annoying the consumers yet supporting GeoHotz and GeoHotz is ment to be fighting for the consumers?

Total mess.

Oh guys lets just take down a few websites and servers like we always do bla bla bla.

LastRambo341

[QUOTE="fusionhunter"]

Anon is just making PS3 hackers look even worse.

They said the attacks will be on for the next few days ect but they don't exactly last long.

They're annoying the consumers yet supporting GeoHotz and GeoHotz is meant to be fighting for the consumers?

Total mess.

Oh guys lets just take down a few websites and servers like we always do bla bla bla.

LastRambo341

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="fusionhunter"]

Anon is just making PS3 hackers look even worse.

They said the attacks will be on for the next few days ect but they don't exactly last long.

They're annoying the consumers yet supporting GeoHotz and GeoHotz is ment to be fighting for the consumers?

Total mess.

Oh guys lets just take down a few websites and servers like we always do bla bla bla.

Phazevariance

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]In court Sony's lawyers can't be like "ahhh......I really meant what it says on the PS3!"blitzcloud

It says the same minus the console model number which is wrong because, probably, the PSN account discovered (blikmaniac thing) registered a wrong model number. Still the serial itself is the part before the - and it fits 100%. If he used the wrong model in the dropdown menu, it's not sony's fault.

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] And hack into their personal/family infoLastRambo341

Nothing top secret or confidential about that information. You can purchase that information with an Intellius account.

I said way back when this all started going down that Sony better just back off and work on patching up the holes and move on, you just don't mess with hackers.. serioulsy, most of these guys are geniuses with nothing better to do then find ways to mess with stuff. Really really not worth the time or effort to bring hotz "down"VideoGameGuy

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Phazevariance"] Where di you hear they are hacking into peoples personal information? I think you're makign stuff up.

KC_Hokie

Nothing top secret or confidential about that information. You can purchase that information with an Intellius account.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/85377/hackers-now-begin-targeting-sony-employees-and-their-families/ Making stuff up, huh?LastRambo341

Nothing top secret or confidential about that information. You can purchase that information with an Intellius account.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]"Sony's Group Executive of Sony Corporation has also been targeted, with his family history being released onto the Internet for public viewing -- which includes information such as his home address, education, marital status and whether or not he has children."

Nothing top secret or confidential about that information. You can purchase that information with an Intellius account.

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]That is why it has to be hacked, right?fusionhunter

information is neither harmful KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] information is neither harmful Jynxzor

These days, kids are. . foolish. . with how much they put out on their facebooks and they wonder why they don't get jobs when their boss says they don't want a pot smoking drinker that crossdresses (and other bizarre pictures and statuses).AncientDozer

Word.:lol:

Don't be dumb, even if it's on FB.:P

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] information is neither harmful KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"]You obviously don't know what Anon "if they get even stupider" will do with this information.Jynxzor

You guys are going completely over the top now.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]What exactly are hackers, who likely never leave their basement, going to with with the address of a Sony executive? KC_Hokie

You guys are going completely over the top now.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]Mail death threats to familly members, harass them via phone calls, spam there emails to overflowing, overall harass there familly members without leaving there desk.Jynxzor

You guys are going completely over the top now.

nor even confidential. Period. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] nor even confidential. Period. Jynxzor

Just thought of this right now.

You know how sony are ssuing geohot, has it crossed anyones actual mind that the operating system is software or did that completely bypass and manage to blow system wars collective mindd?

If thats the case and theres some wranglin bout the OS and it being software, this whole thing could get A TON lot fuzzier.

Just thought of this right now.

You know how sony are ssuing geohot, has it crossed anyones actual mind that the operating system is software or did that completely bypass and manage to blow system wars collective mindd?

If thats the case and theres some wranglin bout the OS and it being software, this whole thing could get A TON lot fuzzier.

razgriz_101

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I'm sorry but Sony brought it on themselves. I don't support them but that's the truth.GeneralShowzer

Defending your hardware and software is bad. Ayup that makes perfect sense.

well then, please elaborate....

anyways, why don't you tell this to the millions of people who paid $60 for Black Ops with the crazy notion that they would actually be able to play online and enjoy the game they paid for?

Basically millions of honest gamers who work for their money and buy games are suffering so a few a-holes can show how cool they are. geohotz was an idiot to publically release the master code and he 100% broke the psn terms of service by doing so. period.

You seriously need to figure out which side you're on. Are you a gamer like us, or are you an a-hole?

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Just thought of this right now.

You know how sony are ssuing geohot, has it crossed anyones actual mind that the operating system is software or did that completely bypass and manage to blow system wars collective mindd?

If thats the case and theres some wranglin bout the OS and it being software, this whole thing could get A TON lot fuzzier.

KC_Hokie

If theres an EULA in relation to firmware updates and the overall OS itself with it saying they have the rights to remove or alter to features.It might just not hold up against them.Essentially it was patched as a mater of security as they said if they can prove it they might be able to defend why they removed the feature.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Just thought of this right now.

You know how sony are ssuing geohot, has it crossed anyones actual mind that the operating system is software or did that completely bypass and manage to blow system wars collective mindd?

If thats the case and theres some wranglin bout the OS and it being software, this whole thing could get A TON lot fuzzier.

razgriz_101

If theres an EULA in relation to firmware updates and the overall OS itself with it saying they have the rights to remove or alter to features.It might just not hold up against them.Essentially it was patched as a mater of security as they said if they can prove it they might be able to defend why they removed the feature.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Sony is being sued in another case for removing the Other OS ability. KC_Hokie

If theres an EULA in relation to firmware updates and the overall OS itself with it saying they have the rights to remove or alter to features.It might just not hold up against them.Essentially it was patched as a mater of security as they said if they can prove it they might be able to defend why they removed the feature.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

If theres an EULA in relation to firmware updates and the overall OS itself with it saying they have the rights to remove or alter to features.It might just not hold up against them.Essentially it was patched as a mater of security as they said if they can prove it they might be able to defend why they removed the feature.

fusionhunter

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Some people yes, I know atleast 10 people myself that did and I am sure there are tons of others around the world that bought a PS3 for that reason or that beign ONE of hte reasons.

Just because myself and you didnt buy a ps3 for that reason does not mean others didnt or that what sony is doing is wrong.

They are getting the consequences they deserve imo, even if it effects me and my time on PSN, what sony has done is wrong wrong wrong.

kozzy1234

So you rather praise a "wrong" that directly affects you than support a "wrong" that doesn't affect you at all?? Good thinking mate.

It does not effect me but it effects other customers, you only care about yourself and no one else?

Just because them taking away aspects of the ps3 does not effect me does nto mean its not right.

What sony has done is WRONG, even if I woudl have not used the OS or any of hte features they took out, its wrong weither it effects me or not.

Typical person though who only cares about himself and not others that might be effected by sony and there lies.

but if you want to be brainwashed into a bgi company like Sonys garbage then go right ahead, more power to ya. But one day there might be something you buy that gets a feature taken away that YOU ACTUALLY USE and you will be pissed off.

Hotz is on record saying he was close to bustin the security long before they even released systems that didn't have OS support.Jynxzor

The timeline works against Sony.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]Hotz is on record saying he was close to bustin the security long before they even released systems that didn't have OS support.KC_Hokie

The timeline works against Sony.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]Hotz is on record saying he was close to bustin the security long before they even released systems that didn't have OS support.fusionhunter

The timeline works against Sony.

So Sony claimed at first removing Other OS was to lower cost. Then changed their story and claimed it was for 'security'.