You guys like these hackers ? PSN experiencing difficulties.

[QUOTE="telefanatic"] There's no proof that the problems of PSN today are from Anonymous seeing as they just annoucned it like today (or yesterday). Anyways, they're right, Sony is abusing the judicial system. if they had solid grounds to sue Geohot, they'd have done so and won by now, but instead they are playing dirty and sneaky to fish for grounds to sue him, even claiming things like he owns a PSN account when its actually his neighbours account, or suing in judicially crippled California where rules are twisted compared to the rest of the states.

They deserve much worse, but the hackers should not be attacking PSN which in turn affects end users. In fact, i'm willing to be the problems PSN is having today is NOT anonymous because they said in their little manifesto that they'd be going after Sony's private networks.. whish excludes PSN which is a public network.

Phazevariance

[QUOTE="telefanatic"]

Who in the world supports these morons ? Anonomys group of hackers are targeting Sony because of GeoHot and the other guy. So now PSN is experiencing difficulties and people cant log in or get extreme lag while playing games. They are really hurting US gamers the most because we are the ones that are suffering! Because of Geo there are tons of cheaters now and people playing with their modded PS3's and pirating games like no tommorow and there are people here that still defend these a holes.http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/04/playstation-websites-psn-suffer-outage-anonymous-claims-respon/ and Ananomys claims responsibility.

Phazevariance

They deserve much worse, but the hackers should not be attacking PSN which in turn affects end users. In fact, i'm willing to be the problems PSN is having today is NOT anonymous because they said in their little manifesto that they'd be going after Sony's private networks.. whish excludes PSN which is a public network.

[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Wow! So now Other OS never wasn't on launch PS3s!

KC_Hokie

ok. which OS are you speaking about?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="antifanboyftw"] good, boy. remember the ps3 manual site for the ps3? it states that you needed to update the system to 1.60 to even get Linux. You are thinking about that sony had stated that they intended to give the ps3 the use of other operating systems before that time. so you may be right about them announcing it, but i would hardly call that advertising it. that would be in the form of lists of features (like on the boxes) or on the TV.antifanboyftw

ok. which OS are you speaking about?

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

[QUOTE="telefanatic"] [QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

[QUOTE="telefanatic"]

Who in the world supports these morons ? Anonomys group of hackers are targeting Sony because of GeoHot and the other guy. So now PSN is experiencing difficulties and people cant log in or get extreme lag while playing games. They are really hurting US gamers the most because we are the ones that are suffering! Because of Geo there are tons of cheaters now and people playing with their modded PS3's and pirating games like no tommorow and there are people here that still defend these a holes.http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/04/playstation-websites-psn-suffer-outage-anonymous-claims-respon/ and Ananomys claims responsibility.

Cali3350

They deserve much worse, but the hackers should not be attacking PSN which in turn affects end users. In fact, i'm willing to be the problems PSN is having today is NOT anonymous because they said in their little manifesto that they'd be going after Sony's private networks.. whish excludes PSN which is a public network.

Is there any problems with PSN? strange didnt notice anything while playing.

Fact of the matter is, Sony while trying to fix the problem made it worse by taking geohotz to court and not finishing it very quickly and by their misleading to the court (even though all lawyers do it). Hackers will defend eachother unless one is sure to go down by the law, but since geohotz did not...

I have read most of the post and here is my 2 cents. I bought the ps3 on day 1 for 800 american when it sucked. I have been a loyal user of sony's video game systems from the ps1. When I bought my system it was sold as more than a video game system. It had blu-ray and linux as major selling points because the software was not really there yet or psn. I used it as a blu-ray player and a cheap HTPC. It had some bugs but over time it worked out pretty good. Then the games came and the system lived up to the hype. Then one day I tried to logon to psn and a update was needed. I read the TOS and it said the other OS feature was going to be disabled if I upgraded my firmware.

I called sony's support center and they said you can keep the other OS if you don't use psn. I was pissed but I have a gaming pc and a 360 so I got over it. Then I brought Red Dead and it said to play this game you must update your firmware. I read the TOS and again it said the other OS feature would be disabled. I called sony again and they basically gave me the finger saying I had to update my system. Now I spent thousands of dollars on their system and they were basically saying F-you. So I took the game back to the store. So all the new games needed a firmware update to play even offline. So now I could no longer use the system I bought for gaming offline or online. So said they had the right to update the system. Updates ADD features not REMOVE THEM!!!

This when the ps3 started getting attention by hackers. So that we could use the system that we payed money for. Sony was also sued over their removal of the features they promised. Then the ps3 was hacked. Now we could use our system like normal. I say screw Sony they deserve whatever happens to them and I will no longer buy their products.

Rude_Bwoii

Exactly, pretty much how I feel.

I dont like what sony has done with taking away features that peopel bought the system for but at the same tiem I dont agree with what the hackers have done releasing information about sony members families,etc..

Its a bad situation all around and all are to blame, but Sony definatly started this so called forest fire by taking away something that alot of people paid money to sony for, a ps3 that can use linux.

My question is.. what good has the hacker community done for psn? All the supporters talk about awesome homebrew apps and stuff like finally getting cross game chat... but all I've heard so far is cheating and stealing gamesultraking

1. Full backwards combatability

2. Programs that people have made like one I saw of my friends were he could talk to his friends on msn while on his psn and also another program were he could do a bunch of word processiong,etc.. on the ps3.

3. Yellow Dog - supports forwatre developments for java, C++, text editors, running a webserver, etc..

4. Homebrew - Allows for a wide range of homebrew programs/freeware games to be made/played. I remember an awesome homebrew game for the Dreamcast called LAST HOPE, was awesome (While the Neo Geo version was self-published, the Dreamcast version was released by redspotgames in January 2007, as an unlicensed title)

And many more

Does not sound like much to some, but if alot of people bought a ps3 for having options like that then i can see why they are pissed. Linux and Blu Ray were two huge reasons why alot of people I know were gonna buy a ps3 and now there is no longer aht ability to use OtherOS and Linux. People were able to use linux for awhile on the ps3 then all of a sudden they get home and its gone, cant use it anymore.

Not everyone who wanted Linux is a hacker or pirate, alot of people wanted linux and Other OS for legit reasons

by taking away something that alot of people paid money to sony for, a ps3 that can use linux.kozzy1234

Man I hate these guys. "Anonymous" is one of the worst social influences of the 21st century (among the net savvy anyway). They think they're something special while their biggest, real achievement was getting some animal abuser charged.

Hackers ruin things for other people. It's not just about getting at Sony, it affects the people who just want to play games. I don't even consider those type of people gamers.

[QUOTE="ultraking"]My question is.. what good has the hacker community done for psn? All the supporters talk about awesome homebrew apps and stuff like finally getting cross game chat... but all I've heard so far is cheating and stealing gameskozzy1234

1. Full backwards combatability

2. Programs that people have made like one I saw of my friends were he could talk to his friends on msn while on his psn and also another program were he could do a bunch of word processiong,etc.. on the ps3.

3. Yellow Dog - supports forwatre developments for java, C++, text editors, running a webserver, etc..

4. Homebrew - Allows for a wide range of homebrew programs/freeware games to be made/played. I remember an awesome homebrew game for the Dreamcast called LAST HOPE, was awesome (While the Neo Geo version was self-published, the Dreamcast version was released by redspotgames in January 2007, as an unlicensed title)

And many more

Does not sound like much to some, but if alot of people bought a ps3 for having options like that then i can see why they are pissed. Linux and Blu Ray were two huge reasons why alot of people I know were gonna buy a ps3 and now there is no longer aht ability to use OtherOS and Linux. People were able to use linux for awhile on the ps3 then all of a sudden they get home and its gone, cant use it anymore.

Not everyone who wanted Linux is a hacker or pirate, alot of people wanted linux and Other OS for legit reasons

[QUOTE="telefanatic"]

Who in the world supports these morons ? Anonomys group of hackers are targeting Sony because of GeoHot and the other guy. So now PSN is experiencing difficulties and people cant log in or get extreme lag while playing games. They are really hurting US gamers the most because we are the ones that are suffering! Because of Geo there are tons of cheaters now and people playing with their modded PS3's and pirating games like no tommorow and there are people here that still defend these a holes.http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/04/playstation-websites-psn-suffer-outage-anonymous-claims-respon/ and Ananomys claims responsibility.

rpgs_shall_rule

Applying your logic to another situation, you think it's the fault of Islam and all Muslims for the acts of a few terrorists?

What a horrible, horrible analogy.

....But what the hell, lets all blame Sony for the greedy orginization that it is, because every little guy needs to have someone to feel is being a domineering evil person. Jynxzor

The lawsuit against geo, in no way prevents hackers or pirates. If they win the lawsuit the men in black dont walk around with memory wiping devices and erase history.

If sony wants to harass hackers by bricking their consoles or beefing up their security measures, go for it. But lawyering up and trying to bankrupt a kid is certainly evil empire territory. Especially when they employ every underhanded legal tactic in their arsenal, like they have.

For this one, im on the consumer rights side of the issue even though i have no need for otherOS (but PS2 backwards compatability sounds nice). Im on the side of the consumer, simply because i am a consumer... and large corporations are more than willing to fight battles to erode consumer rights... never to strengthen them.

Sony put a hacker in the spotlight and said to the world "behold our power, and watch as our mighty hand destroys you powerless hackers"... are we really all that surprised that the hacking community didnt take kindly to that behavior? Im guessing in some sony office somewehere they were all probably high fiving each other and saying "man those hackers are gonna be so scared, they will never mess with us again!"

Especially when they employ every underhanded legal tactic in their arsenal, like they have.For this one, im on the consumer rights side of the issue even though i have no need for otherOS (but PS2 backwards compatability sounds nice). Im on the side of the consumer, simply because i am a consumer... and large corporations are more than willing to fight battles to erode consumer rights...markinthedark

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]Especially when they employ every underhanded legal tactic in their arsenal, like they have.For this one, im on the consumer rights side of the issue even though i have no need for otherOS (but PS2 backwards compatability sounds nice). Im on the side of the consumer, simply because i am a consumer... and large corporations are more than willing to fight battles to erode consumer rights...Jynxzor

360 has been hacked for a while.... somehow MS managed to handle their situation alot more tactfully... and avoid getting attacked by Anon.

and comparing unlocking hardware you purchase to murdering people.... really now?

and lets remember Geohot's firmware wasnt even capable of piracy.

and comparing unlocking hardware you purchase to murdering people.... really now?markinthedark

Apparently running LOIC is considered hacking these days.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]and comparing unlocking hardware you purchase to murdering people.... really now?Jynxzor

what did geohot steal? I wasnt aware he was pirating games...

If Sony was actually taking people that pirate games to court, im guessing hackers wouldnt really give a damn.

what did geohot steal? I wasnt aware he was pirating games...If Sony was actually taking people that pirate games to court, im guessing hackers wouldnt really give a damn.markinthedark

And please I remember a large portion of the "tech" community as I can't call them all hackers some are just enthusiasts. But I remember a large portion of the populace getting in a huge uproar when Sony had a home invaded of a person who was litteraly blackmailing them with threats to release codes that would flat out enable piracy as he claimed.

Turned out he was blowing smoke in the end and just had some info dumps that were not uncommon allready, but a big portion of people were fairly upset that a person trying to blackmail someone got in trouble...so I don't doubt they would still care if Hotz released Piracy Software or just the Codes to enable it.

These hackers are lame. YOu think they would have something better to do with their time.

These hackers are lame. YOu think they would have something better to do with their time.

NaveedLife

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]what did geohot steal? I wasnt aware he was pirating games...If Sony was actually taking people that pirate games to court, im guessing hackers wouldnt really give a damn.Jynxzor

And please I remember a large portion of the "tech" community as I can't call them all hackers some are just enthusiasts. But I remember a large portion of the populace getting in a huge uproar when Sony had a home invaded of a person who was litteraly blackmailing them with threats to release codes that would flat out enable piracy as he claimed.

Turned out he was blowing smoke in the end and just had some info dumps that were not uncommon allready, but a big portion of people were fairly upset that a person trying to blackmail someone got in trouble...so I don't doubt they would still care if Hotz released Piracy Software or just the Codes to enable it.

how can you run a pirated game with just the key code? there is alot of fill in the blanks between the keys and piracy.

And this case isnt about him releasing the keys, if it was.... Sony wouldnt be trying to prove he accepted PSN terms and whatnot. Its very easy for sony to prove he released the keys... but thats not what the case is about. If it was, this would be an open and shut case... because he definitely released them.

Sony is trying to say its illegal to modify your PS3, even if you only do it for personal use, and never run pirated software and never release any information about it. Sony is trying to say you cannot touch your PS3 in anyway they dont officially sanction.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]and comparing unlocking hardware you purchase to murdering people.... really now?markinthedark

what did geohot steal? I wasnt aware he was pirating games...

If Sony was actually taking people that pirate games to court, im guessing hackers wouldnt really give a damn.

GeoHotz and this whole thing needs to be brought to an end now, how much longer can this drag out. Sony should win, its plain and simple, if you break teh terms of service, you get whats coming to you. I mean whatever, you wanna mod your console etc etc, but you shared it all online... of course your gonna get caught and sued. I just dont get how stupid people can be. Why even bother hacking the ps3, he knows dam well that its just gonna increase piracy, I dont think he cares. Thousands of people jobs and families depend on the sales of games so that they dont get laid off from their company. You think GeoHotz cares about that? No of course he doesnt, I think he should be stripped of everything he has and sentenced to live as a homeless man for a year. That really seems fitting at this point in time. Hakcers that do damage to others/pirate, all of them, are the most irresponsible immature bunch..

Listen I hate cheaters, but when I buy something, its now mine, I dont care what contract you have. If I buy a toaster I can turn it into anything I want, when I buy a console Its now 100% my property, and 0% sony's, and if they have a problem with that, then come step on my property so I can introduce you to a couple rounds fired in close proximity to you. Get it? See the online hacking and cheating is a terrible thing, but If im broke and decide to mod my machine to play burnt games in single player atleast, to bad so sad, its MY machine I can do whatever I want with it. And when A huge multi million dollar company goes after 1 kid in court, and then pays gaming news sites to post news making the kid look bad, think about it...if that was a movie you were watching, you would be rooting for the kid, not the greedy coorporation.

i fully support them,they got reasons you have to deal with it.Tessellation

....

Sony put a hacker in the spotlight and said to the world "behold our power, and watch as our mighty hand destroys you powerless hackers"... are we really all that surprised that the hacking community didnt take kindly to that behavior? Im guessing in some sony office somewehere they were all probably high fiving each other and saying "man those hackers are gonna be so scared, they will never mess with us again!"

Jynxzor

Nope, Geohot put himself in the spotlight. He said "look what I did, I! Sony is mad but they cant do anything about it!" I dont think they would ever find out who released the keys if he kept his mouth shut. His mistake.

Listen I hate cheaters, but when I buy something, its now mine, I dont care what contract you have. If I buy a toaster I can turn it into anything I want, when I buy a console Its now 100% my property, and 0% sony's, and if they have a problem with that, then come step on my property so I can introduce you to a couple rounds fired in close proximity to you. Get it? See the online hacking and cheating is a terrible thing, but If im broke and decide to mod my machine to play burnt games in single player atleast, to bad so sad, its MY machine I can do whatever I want with it. And when A huge multi million dollar company goes after 1 kid in court, and then pays gaming news sites to post news making the kid look bad, think about it...if that was a movie you were watching, you would be rooting for the kid, not the greedy coorporation.

chrion133

[QUOTE="Chogyam"]

Meanwhile, at PSN headquarters, the techs seem to be isolating the cause.

Yangire

*right click*

*save image*

Saving CP on your hard drive ey ? Like a true anon !

i fully support them,they got reasons you have to deal with it.Tessellation

ok you support a bunch of basement trolls, who's main goal in life is to be a pathetic anarchistic little cult, and essentially the Westboro baptish church of the web.

Half the time anon are hypocritcal or a bunch of sadacts judging by their previous attacks that tend to only make them more hated by most people,and essentially disruptive louts that wanna be the Al Quieda of the internet tbh.

They spout more nonsense than the average preacher in the city centre saying im going to hell cause i dont believe.

EDIT: Essentially its like oh yeah lets bring down a big corporations website cause we dont know how to be peaceful and rational bout it.Mind you its anon a collective bunch of basement dwellers with a massive anger cause the pizza delivery was late.

bout every gaming related website i've been on most of the same thoughts said in this topic are pretty much echo'd en mass that generally Anon are going to far as usual.

Theres protesting, aand then theres just downright badness, dont have sympathy for them like the violent louts in London.Peaceful protests i respect and i have been a part of a couple including the iraq war protests and a recent one in Edinburgh in relation to education cuts, im fairly liberal and i think this is just too far, a line needs to essentially be drawn in relation to this kinda stuff essentially it can be seen as borderline e-terrorism(and most of the times its not peaceful stuff its malicious attacks on services).

[QUOTE="Rude_Bwoii"]

I have read most of the post and here is my 2 cents. I bought the ps3 on day 1 for 800 american when it sucked. I have been a loyal user of sony's video game systems from the ps1. When I bought my system it was sold as more than a video game system. It had blu-ray and linux as major selling points because the software was not really there yet or psn. I used it as a blu-ray player and a cheap HTPC. It had some bugs but over time it worked out pretty good. Then the games came and the system lived up to the hype. Then one day I tried to logon to psn and a update was needed. I read the TOS and it said the other OS feature was going to be disabled if I upgraded my firmware.

I called sony's support center and they said you can keep the other OS if you don't use psn. I was pissed but I have a gaming pc and a 360 so I got over it. Then I brought Red Dead and it said to play this game you must update your firmware. I read the TOS and again it said the other OS feature would be disabled. I called sony again and they basically gave me the finger saying I had to update my system. Now I spent thousands of dollars on their system and they were basically saying F-you. So I took the game back to the store. So all the new games needed a firmware update to play even offline. So now I could no longer use the system I bought for gaming offline or online. So said they had the right to update the system. Updates ADD features not REMOVE THEM!!!

This when the ps3 started getting attention by hackers. So that we could use the system that we payed money for. Sony was also sued over their removal of the features they promised. Then the ps3 was hacked. Now we could use our system like normal. I say screw Sony they deserve whatever happens to them and I will no longer buy their products.

antifanboyftw

I would have had no problem with Sony if they had refunded my money or if all the new games did not need a firmware update just to play.

Alot of peopel bought the ps3 for features that sony was advertising that the ps3 had. Then they take them away out of nowhere?

kozzy1234

If you go to a restaurant and you order a meal on the menu that has this and that in it.. then when you get the meal none of those things are in it... false advertisement. You order a steak with potatoes and shrimp, yet they only give you the potatoes and take out the shrimp/steak right before you are about to eat.

kozzy1234

That's just not plausible. They use newer sdk, it's not just a petty restriction.

Your games up to 3.20 firmware still work. If you buy games that require at least certain firmware because you declined the TOS and don't want to upgrade they are not stealing anything from you. Another thing is... box should mention the minimum firmware required.

If you go to a restaurant and you order a meal on the menu that has this and that in it.. then when you get the meal none of those things are in it... false advertisement. You order a steak with potatoes and shrimp, yet they only give you the potatoes and take out the shrimp/steak right before you are about to eat.

kozzy1234

Actually it's more like when you go to a McDonalds, order a menu, with the hamburger, the fries and the drink. What more do you expect. Ahhh, yes. Ketchup! You take it as granted because you're used to have it served, but guess what, it appears nowhere in the menu. If they say they're not going to give you ketchup they aren't removing anything from the menu because it was ALWAYS AN EXTRA, NEVER A PART OF THE MENU ITSELF.

People claiming that otherOS was their reason of purchase of the ps3 remind me those who for somewhat reason need 30 packs of ketchup with their small fries ration. Then get home and squeeze the packs into a ketchup bottle.

Listen I hate cheaters, but when I buy something, its now mine, I dont care what contract you have. If I buy a toaster I can turn it into anything I want

chrion133

[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"][QUOTE="Rude_Bwoii"]

I have read most of the post and here is my 2 cents. I bought the ps3 on day 1 for 800 american when it sucked. I have been a loyal user of sony's video game systems from the ps1. When I bought my system it was sold as more than a video game system. It had blu-ray and linux as major selling points because the software was not really there yet or psn. I used it as a blu-ray player and a cheap HTPC. It had some bugs but over time it worked out pretty good. Then the games came and the system lived up to the hype. Then one day I tried to logon to psn and a update was needed. I read the TOS and it said the other OS feature was going to be disabled if I upgraded my firmware.

I called sony's support center and they said you can keep the other OS if you don't use psn. I was pissed but I have a gaming pc and a 360 so I got over it. Then I brought Red Dead and it said to play this game you must update your firmware. I read the TOS and again it said the other OS feature would be disabled. I called sony again and they basically gave me the finger saying I had to update my system. Now I spent thousands of dollars on their system and they were basically saying F-you. So I took the game back to the store. So all the new games needed a firmware update to play even offline. So now I could no longer use the system I bought for gaming offline or online. So said they had the right to update the system. Updates ADD features not REMOVE THEM!!!

This when the ps3 started getting attention by hackers. So that we could use the system that we payed money for. Sony was also sued over their removal of the features they promised. Then the ps3 was hacked. Now we could use our system like normal. I say screw Sony they deserve whatever happens to them and I will no longer buy their products.

Rude_Bwoii

I would have had no problem with Sony if they had refunded my money or if all the new games did not need a firmware update just to play.

XBOX Live Head of Security guys gamertag was also hacked (nothing to do with anonymous though). The future doesn't look bright lol

[QUOTE="telefanatic"]

Who in the world supports these morons ? Anonomys group of hackers are targeting Sony because of GeoHot and the other guy. So now PSN is experiencing difficulties and people cant log in or get extreme lag while playing games. They are really hurting US gamers the most because we are the ones that are suffering! Because of Geo there are tons of cheaters now and people playing with their modded PS3's and pirating games like no tommorow and there are people here that still defend these a holes.http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/04/playstation-websites-psn-suffer-outage-anonymous-claims-respon/ and Ananomys claims responsibility.

Applying your logic to another situation, you think it's the fault of Islam and all Muslims for the acts of a few terrorists?