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How does it help? This is like if a man is on trial for an alleged lynching, and to protest his friends go out and beat up a black person.Timstuff

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]How does it help? This is like if a man is on trial for an alleged lynching, and to protest his friends go out and beat up a black person.KC_Hokie

They way Sony has been stepping on some consumers is unacceptable, that's probably why anonymous is pissed.Robbazking

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]How does it help? This is like if a man is on trial for an alleged lynching, and to protest his friends go out and beat up a black person.Timstuff

[QUOTE="Robbazking"]They way Sony has been stepping on some consumers is unacceptable, that's probably why anonymous is pissed.Gorcman

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Because in American courts you have to prove someone is liable not what another group is doing. Also, an unaffiliated group of hackers all of a sudden going after Sony doesn't have anything to do with Geohotz. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="Robbazking"]They way Sony has been stepping on some consumers is unacceptable, that's probably why anonymous is pissed.Gorcman

Anonymous and the other hackers want Sony to drop the lawsuit. If Sony drops the lawsuit, the hackers win, plain and simple, and they are free to walk all over Sony. If Sony sticks to their guns though, Hotz will be either paying off his legal debts for the rest of his life, or he will have to agree to work for Sony until his debts have been paid off (if they are generous to him). Anonymous either wants Hotz to win, which would set the precedent that hacking is legal, or they want Sony to drop the lawsuit, which would mean no-one is in danger of being sued for hacking the system again in the future. Neither outcome is acceptable for Sony, and they are certainly not going to drop the suit now that a hacking group is directly attacking them.Timstuff

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Anonymous and the other hackers want Sony to drop the lawsuit. If Sony drops the lawsuit, the hackers win, plain and simple, and they are free to walk all over Sony. If Sony sticks to their guns though, Hotz will be either paying off his legal debts for the rest of his life, or he will have to agree to work for Sony until his debts have been paid off (if they are generous to him). Anonymous either wants Hotz to win, which would set the precedent that hacking is legal, or they want Sony to drop the lawsuit, which would mean no-one is in danger of being sued for hacking the system again in the future. Neither outcome is acceptable for Sony, and they are certainly not going to drop the suit now that a hacking group is directly attacking them.KC_Hokie

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[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Anonymous and the other hackers want Sony to drop the lawsuit. If Sony drops the lawsuit, the hackers win, plain and simple, and they are free to walk all over Sony. If Sony sticks to their guns though, Hotz will be either paying off his legal debts for the rest of his life, or he will have to agree to work for Sony until his debts have been paid off (if they are generous to him). Anonymous either wants Hotz to win, which would set the precedent that hacking is legal, or they want Sony to drop the lawsuit, which would mean no-one is in danger of being sued for hacking the system again in the future. Neither outcome is acceptable for Sony, and they are certainly not going to drop the suit now that a hacking group is directly attacking them.Timstuff

All I see here is, a bunch of playstation nerds are pissed because they can't play their games online and ironically calling the hackers "nerdy" and "keyboard warriors". I can't believe how willing this community to bend over as long as they can play their games online.

After reading the news I was feeling joy, because this is the internet. Here, the firms just can't get away with s**ting their consumers with the help of expensive lawyers and f***load of money.

To people who thinks that ps3 is Sony's product and it's their right to do whatever they want of it, remember that PSN is their service and they are responsible for it's security. You paid for this service when you bought your ps3's and it is Sony's responsibility, not leisure, to guard it from attacks. If the service is disturbed, you should demand your right from Sony, and stop whining about the hackers because you paid them for this service. If a bunch of "keyboard warriors" can disturb Sony's service, it's their blunder.

In my eyes, whoever supports Sony in this situation is nothing but a fanboy.

Yeah, I do like peanut butter cheese crackers.

Gaming is getting worse these days.:(

All I see here is, a bunch of playstation nerds are pissed because they can't play their games online and ironically calling the hackers "nerdy" and "keyboard warriors". I can't believe how willing this community to bend over as long as they can play their games online.

After reading the news I was feeling joy, because this is the internet. Here, the firms just can't get away with s**ting their consumers with the help of expensive lawyers and f***load of money.

To people who thinks that ps3 is Sony's product and it's their right to do whatever they want of it, remember that PSN is their service and they are responsible for it's security. You paid for this service when you bought your ps3's and it is Sony's responsibility, not leisure, to guard it from attacks. If the service is disturbed, you should demand your right from Sony, and stop whining about the hackers because you paid them for this service. If a bunch of "keyboard warriors" can disturb Sony's service, it's their blunder.

In my eyes, whoever supports Sony in this situation is nothing but a fanboy.

Requem

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I'm sorry but Sony brought it on themselves. I don't support them but that's the truth.kozzy1234

Cosign, sony did this to themselves

All I see here is, a bunch of playstation nerds are pissed because they can't play their games online and ironically calling the hackers "nerdy" and "keyboard warriors". I can't believe how willing this community to bend over as long as they can play their games online.

After reading the news I was feeling joy, because this is the internet. Here, the firms just can't get away with s**ting their consumers with the help of expensive lawyers and f***load of money.

To people who thinks that ps3 is Sony's product and it's their right to do whatever they want of it, remember that PSN is their service and they are responsible for it's security. You paid for this service when you bought your ps3's and it is Sony's responsibility, not leisure, to guard it from attacks. If the service is disturbed, you should demand your right from Sony, and stop whining about the hackers because you paid them for this service. If a bunch of "keyboard warriors" can disturb Sony's service, it's their blunder.

In my eyes, whoever supports Sony in this situation is nothing but a fanboy.

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Just a tad creepy :P

Sony by taking away features after purchase brought this on themselves.KC_Hokie

All I see here is, a bunch of playstation nerds are pissed because they can't play their games online and ironically calling the hackers "nerdy" and "keyboard warriors". I can't believe how willing this community to bend over as long as they can play their games online.

Requem

And I can't believe how willing hackers are to violate legitimate customers as long as it means they can continue to steal games and have a 1994-equivelent build of linux on a game system.

I don't care if you lose your "right" to hack the PS3, because I'm not losing anything. What I will lose if the hackers win is my ability to use my PS3 without going through tons of draconian copy protection and not having to pay higher prices for the games that you're just going to steal.

Sonyshould stop the legal action and just hire a few thugs with machetes and viola problem solvedEmpCom

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]Sonyshould stop the legal action and just hire a few thugs with machetes and viola problem solvedTimstuff

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Sony by taking away features after purchase brought this on themselves.Gorcman

Well that certainly explains why I can't log into PSN.:(

[QUOTE="Gorcman"][QUOTE="Requem"]

All I see here is, a bunch of playstation nerds are pissed because they can't play their games online and ironically calling the hackers "nerdy" and "keyboard warriors". I can't believe how willing this community to bend over as long as they can play their games online.

After reading the news I was feeling joy, because this is the internet. Here, the firms just can't get away with s**ting their consumers with the help of expensive lawyers and f***load of money.

To people who thinks that ps3 is Sony's product and it's their right to do whatever they want of it, remember that PSN is their service and they are responsible for it's security. You paid for this service when you bought your ps3's and it is Sony's responsibility, not leisure, to guard it from attacks. If the service is disturbed, you should demand your right from Sony, and stop whining about the hackers because you paid them for this service. If a bunch of "keyboard warriors" can disturb Sony's service, it's their blunder.

In my eyes, whoever supports Sony in this situation is nothing but a fanboy.

EmpCom

I can't believe I have to explain the obvious difference but here I go,

Does Toyota assure you that they will guard your car from the thieves? Is there a service that Toyota provides against car thieves? No.

But in this case Sony promises to provide a service so they are responsible for it's security. Notice that, it's not a product like a car, it's a continuous service. If there is a line in the agreement that states, "in an event of an attack to our online service, Sony is not responsible for the downtime and consumers are required to go on forums and whine about it until it's over" than you are right. It is not your right.

If you hire a guard and still your stuff is stolen. Wouldn't you be angry to the guard? Is it not his responsibilty to protect it? Are you really taking the service the Sony provided (namely PSN) for granted?

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="Gorcman"] So... if someone steals my camry from the parking lot, I should be angry at Toyota and not the guy who jacked my car? gotcha.Requem

I can't believe I have to explain the obvious difference but here I go,

Does Toyota assure you that they will guard your car from the thieves? Is there a service that Toyota provides against car thieves? No.

But in this case Sony promises to provide a service so they are responsible for it's security. Notice that, it's not a product like a car, it's a continuous service. If there is a line in the agreement that states, "in an event of an attack to our online service, Sony is not responsible for the downtime and consumers are required to go on forums and whine about it until it's over" than you are right. It is not your right.

If you hire a guard and still your stuff is stolen. Wouldn't you be angry to the guard? Is it not his responsibilty to protect it? Are you really taking the service the Sony provided (namely PSN) for granted?

[QUOTE="Requem"]

All I see here is, a bunch of playstation nerds are pissed because they can't play their games online and ironically calling the hackers "nerdy" and "keyboard warriors". I can't believe how willing this community to bend over as long as they can play their games online.

Timstuff

And I can't believe how willing hackers are to violate legitimate customers as long as it means they can continue to steal games and have a 1994-equivelent build of linux on a game system.

I don't care if you lose your "right" to hack the PS3, because I'm not losing anything. What I will lose if the hackers win is my ability to use my PS3 without going through tons of draconian copy protection and not having to pay higher prices for the games that you're just going to steal.

Thanks for writing me off as a pirate just because I present an argument.

You are ok that Sony can do whatever they want because they can but you are not ok that hackers can do whatever want because they can just because it affects you.

Let the world burn as long as you are safe eh? I can't argue with that.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I'm sorry but Sony brought it on themselves. I don't support them but that's the truth.ChubbyGuy40

Defending your hardware and software is bad. Ayup that makes perfect sense.

Let the world burn as long as you are safe eh? I can't argue with that.Requem

Actually, many car manufacturers do provide theft protection now. Still doesn't change that the responsibility goes to the thief, not the fact that the service can't be perfect.DerekLoffin

You still don't get the difference between a sold product and a continuous service based on an agreement, don't you?

I'm not telling you that hackers are completely innocent yet you should be demanding your right to play your games from Sony. No service is perfect but it's still Sony's responsibility to maintain it's security.

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[QUOTE="Requem"]

All I see here is, a bunch of playstation nerds are pissed because they can't play their games online and ironically calling the hackers "nerdy" and "keyboard warriors". I can't believe how willing this community to bend over as long as they can play their games online.

Requem

And I can't believe how willing hackers are to violate legitimate customers as long as it means they can continue to steal games and have a 1994-equivelent build of linux on a game system.

I don't care if you lose your "right" to hack the PS3, because I'm not losing anything. What I will lose if the hackers win is my ability to use my PS3 without going through tons of draconian copy protection and not having to pay higher prices for the games that you're just going to steal.

Thanks for writing me off as a pirate just because I present an argument.

You are ok that Sony can do whatever they want because they can but you are not ok that hackers can do whatever want because they can just because it affects you.

Let the world burn as long as you are safe eh? I can't argue with that.

Let Sony do whatever they want? What the heck are you talking about? Did Sony kill your sister and not get charged for it or anything? Sony took out Other OS, and that hit them heavily. Why are people complaining about Sony "doing whatever they want" when they're the ones offering free service. People are way over exaggerating what Sony did when taking away Other OS. Almost nobody used it, and they can't take away any features that stop it from being what it is: a game console. They took away backwards compatibility to maket he console cheaper, people complained about it being expensive, so they had to take it out to make it cheaper. I don't understand what you're complaining about.

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[QUOTE="Requem"]

All I see here is, a bunch of playstation nerds are pissed because they can't play their games online and ironically calling the hackers "nerdy" and "keyboard warriors". I can't believe how willing this community to bend over as long as they can play their games online.

Requem

And I can't believe how willing hackers are to violate legitimate customers as long as it means they can continue to steal games and have a 1994-equivelent build of linux on a game system.

I don't care if you lose your "right" to hack the PS3, because I'm not losing anything. What I will lose if the hackers win is my ability to use my PS3 without going through tons of draconian copy protection and not having to pay higher prices for the games that you're just going to steal.

Thanks for writing me off as a pirate just because I present an argument.

You are ok that Sony can do whatever they want because they can but you are not ok that hackers can do whatever want because they can just because it affects you.

Let the world burn as long as you are safe eh? I can't argue with that.

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I'm sorry but Sony brought it on themselves. I don't support them but that's the truth.Danm_999

Defending your hardware and software is bad. Ayup that makes perfect sense.

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I'm sorry but Sony brought it on themselves. I don't support them but that's the truth.Danm_999

Defending your hardware and software is bad. Ayup that makes perfect sense.

They wanted to make an example out of Geohotz, they may went overboard, but at least now people will think twice after hacking the PS3. Do you really think if Sony wins this fight, that hackers will be as willing to do the same with the PS4?

[QUOTE="Requem"]Let the world burn as long as you are safe eh? I can't argue with that.Jynxzor

I very much prefer that if all the wrongdoers will burn with the innocents as well.

No-one holds hackers acountable for what they do. So far what I've used my PS3 for has been inhibited by Sony in no way whatsoever. I put games and Blu-Rays in it, and the PS3 plays them. I'll start complaining when Sony tries to take those features away, because those are the features that I bought the PS3 for.

Timstuff

You won't start complaining until it affects you. I got that and as I said, I can't argue with that logic.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"] Anon supports the free exchange of information, so why are they against Sony getting peoples' IP adresses?Danm_999

They wanted to make an example out of Geohotz, they may went overboard, but at least now people will think twice after hacking the PS3. XVision84

Do you really think if Sony wins this fight, that hackers will be as willing to do the same with the PS4?

XVision84

It does not go away because you want it to.

It does not go away because you sue it.

It does not go away because you shut it down.

Look at Limewire; sued for 75 trillion dollars. You'd think everyone would be too scared to every consider another P2P network; even dozens of alternatives have sprung up and flourished since the case. It is the many headed hyrda of the digital world.

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I'm sorry but Sony brought it on themselves. I don't support them but that's the truth.Danm_999

Defending your hardware and software is bad. Ayup that makes perfect sense.

I don't own a PS3 but these guys are ****s. Why don't they protest for something that matters, and why do they have to hurt people who did nothing.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Timstuff"] Anon supports the free exchange of information, so why are they against Sony getting peoples' IP adresses?EmpCom

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Defending your hardware and software is bad. Ayup that makes perfect sense.

hiryu3

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Defending your hardware and software is bad. Ayup that makes perfect sense.

hiryu3

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They wanted to make an example out of Geohotz, they may went overboard, but at least now people will think twice after hacking the PS3.

It does not go away because you want it to.

It does not go away because you sue it.

It does not go away because you shut it down.

Look at Limewire; sued for 75 trillion dollars. You'd think everyone would be too scared to every consider another P2P network; even dozens of alternatives have sprung up and flourished since the case. It is the many headed hyrda of the digital world.

By pulling a little stunt like this you know Sony is winning.