You just can't beat PC graphics...

On PC you do not get what you pay for......

Pffft, you Pee salty seas, I mean really. Lets remember unlike all Mighty X1X MonsterBoxes, all PC's are far from being equal as mah Pee salty sea can't even run Tetris in 1080P 30 fps so ya know, just sayin. Stop using the generic PC and start listing your personal computer specs rather than just saying PC's... Mmmkk. :P

@slimdogmilionar: yeah... Because paying $1600 for a GPU is something people do everyday

Let me guess, the consolites are DC'ing with either or combination of:

1. Price Point

2. Throwing in percentages of people that will guy those GPUs

3. Uninformed/Butthurt cows saying UC/HZD/GoW/TLOU looks better

Don't be jealous

@pc_rocks:

Bunch of console kids that constantly try to validate there consoles which nobody on pc cares about.

A bunch of useless features to be honest. You won't even notice any of that when actually playing the game and to even see the benefits of ray tracing, you need to look at side by side comparisons.

@Gatygun:

But but....the upcoming Arkham clone...

Agreed, I was kinda looking forward to cards with more power. Instead with basically get the 10 series again with raytracing cores :(

Must be hard for Hermits having raw hardware performance that's a generational leap over consoles and not having the generational leap in graphics to show for it.

Hardware always has to come first.

It's kinda like when CPUs stopped increasing clock speeds and instead started focusing on no. of cores. The same will happen to GPUs due to the coming age of VR, AR and DL.

New console hardware has to come first....... In 2018 you can build a PC with as much if not more raw horse power then the yet to released next generation consoles but you won't get a next generation leap in graphics on PC until said consoles release.

Thank you for posting Control cause I did miss that trailer. I was impress the first time I saw Control and now, Remedy is supporting Ray Tracing is a great bonus feature. Totally looking forward to playing Control and this is coming from a guy who likes Quantum Break.

Oh I'm fully looking forward to the coming improvements in DL and raytracing.

It's just that right now, I'd rather have more raw power to game on very high resolutions at very high framerates.

Remedy hasn't made a bad game yet. I'm buying Control day one.

Can't wait to feed this game to my Aorus GTX 1080 Ti :D

RTX 2080 founders edition is $799.

Same here. I usually skips a GPu generation when upgrading and this was to be my next upgrade after 970 however now I'm holding off and will wait until 2020 for 7nm GPUs and actual games to support such functionality.

@Epak_: yeah, because people surely pays $800 for gpu everyday...

Make no mistake, most PC gamers are waiting for the $300/400 version of those gpus

I see a lot of GTX 1080 owners here and they probably paid more for their GPUs.

@Epak_: I guarantee that those don't account for even 1% of PC gamers all over the world.

Of course not, most games can be played on cheaper rigs. I actually though the new Nvidia line would be expensive as ****, but the prices seem to be same as GTX 1080 for example.

Metro 2033 came out in 2010 during last gen with fully realtime dynamic lighting and shadows. We are almost at the end of current gen of consoles, when are we going to see a game with such fidelity and fully realtime lighting/shadows?

@scatteh316: Who cares about the unwashed masses ? PC is all about the possibility to have a rig as good as youre pocket allows.

Pls go back and close the gulag gate behind you.

You do know they ported the Metro games to the current gen consoles right?

With the cut down tech.

And since you made the claim they were cut down.....the onus is now on you to provide proof of that.

1. Who the **** are you?

2. Developers care about the masses clown as that's where the money is.

3 posts in and you've already cemented yourself as an idiot, congrats.

not completely accurate

Is there a strong market for Honda Civics?

Yes

Is there a strong market for Porche's?

Yes

different audience

When you can have HZD or GOW level graphics for the third of the gpu price, why even bother!!!

I get what i pay for for sure, and leave the pixelcount to those who live by the pixelcount ^^

That coming for an old pc gamer who knows a dime is a dime and best graphics never means better games!!!

Car analogies do not work....

of course they do.

Its not a requirement to sell as many games as possible, you can appeal to Niche markets. The analogy works just fine

Where's the tessellation in consoles remaster?

The lighting was still not fully dynamic. It has missing lights.

Shadows were missing in Redux, specifically remember the lighting and shadows were cast by muzzle flash in the original.

Volumetric lighting was cut down in Redux.

If I remember correctly motion blur was also of lower quality on consoles though I can be mistaken.

Developer interview

Digital Foundry: Surely the easier path would have been to lock at 1080p30 and concentrate on integrating as many high-end rendering features as possible. Why target 60fps over 30fps?

Oles Shishkovstov: Because we can! Actually for the next unannounced project, the designers want more and more of everything (as usual) and quite possibly we will target 30fps.

Look, we shipped a rock-solid 60fps game with the quality right in the middle between the high and very high preset of the PC version.

Crucially for YOUR GTX970 to match the solid 60fps of a BASE.....yes a BASE PS4 you would have to run lower quality settings and have a worse looking game then a console with a potato CPU and a 6.5 year old GPU.

:/ I'm honestly not that impressed with RTX.

Here's hoping the cards themselves actually have big performance boosts over the 10 series when benchmarks arrive.

So, you're back to trolling again since you've exhausted all your arguments?

Again, nope I don't have to lower my settings or get to PS4 settings anywhere to match 60FPS since PS4 didn't have SSAA at all. PC does and disabling SSAA will still gives the same AA as PS4 uses and I can run my game at 80-100 FPS.

Lastly, PS4 was still missing tessellation, don't have a fully dynamic lighting/shadowing engine which was the original argument. Unless you can prove that I'm wrong about the following points this debate is done for.

@quadknight: I wouldn't expect more than a 15% bump.

Lmao...... clueless as ever...

So, back to trolling, okay, bye!

And now you run off........ get a better GPU

@scatteh316: If everything he said is true (and it is) then hes not clueless. He should upgrade tho.

REALLY!? You're using THAT as an excuse? How hard is it to plug a GPU into a PCIe slot and put 2 screws into your case? Come on...

I wont bother arguing the rest. Price is a real concern for a lot of people and the rest is personal preference. But to say installing a GPU is too hard or complicated? It can physically only go in one way... it's idiot proof.

No game is ever going to use Nividia's proprietary Ray Tracing unless it's implemented as an alternative rendering API to DX or Vulkan. Even in that case I would bet it would be sponsored by Nvidia.

Put it this way. Until there is a graphics rendering API that's not specifically tied to a brand of graphic cards, raytracing specific hardware that can be accessed by said API is Nvidia, AMD, and Intel GPUs (cpus now, but Intel is making a GPU), and the consoles have these GPUs, we will NOT see a major game with raytracing options. We may see very small indie titles sponsored by Nvidia or done by little teams purely as a proof-of-concept, but raytracing isn't realistic for at least 20 years.

Anybody arguing anything about raytracing needs to come back to reality. PCs aren't going to be using this tech for a decade at the minimum and we won't see any developer wasting time on their multiplatform game with a renderer 2/3rds of the playerbase can't even use (and probably even less within the remaining PC gamer pool).

It's super cool tech, but that's about it. It's not practical in the slightest.

As he ran away and failed to produce actual evidence of his claims.....can you seeing as you agree with them?

true. what caught my eye however is what I put in bold.

gameplay and games is EXACTLY the reason I play PC instead of console. The games are simply better

@scatteh316: I think he just grew tired of your blatent trolling.

The one who ran away was you by saying clueless, LMAO. You don't have anything to back up your claims apart from the dev saying vaguely PS4 runs between high and very high, that you're trying to cling to very hard since you can't disprove any features I highlighted as missing in the PS4 remaster compared to 2010's Metro.

Your desperate attempt to somehow equate PS4's performance with PC's 970 was also shot down since the benchmark was using SSAA, in essence at least at double the resolution of PS4.

Unless you have anything to counter my points, Bye.

And you're still running off........ still waiting for you to prove they striped it back......and you try and put the onus on me and move the goal posts because I call you out on your bull shit....... PLEASE.....PLEASE provide me with some form of proof of your claims and not what YOU THINK is missing......

Hahahahaha...

A GTX970 was a decent GPU...over 3 years ago.........Hahaha....