You just can't beat PC graphics...

@scatteh316: It's still a decent GPU today by every single measure. At 1080p it holds up fine in every game that comes out. We're at a period of stagnation since the PS4/Xbox One's GPUs are so weak. Developers aren't really pushing the baseline visual quality higher due to the fact that the consoles simply can't run it.

A 970 is not a decent GPU today....not even close.

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And...there you have the point of the objections made in this thread!

Yes it is. I know you live in a made up world of your own doing but in reality the 970s is running every single game on the PC without any major issue. Unless you really want to start pushing the resolution beyond 1080p. People with 970s are playing all of the new games without any real issue.

Please return to reality.

Yes, 970 is still a decent GPU. And a 980 is still a really good card. Try to know things about the thing you're talking about before talking about it.

Even with DF's face off:

Could it really be the case that Redux on PC is inferior to the original version? Well, what is clear is that 4A has turned off incidental features where the performance overhead did not justify the improvements in the visuals - a good example are the split-second shadows generated by muzzle flash from the view-weapon, which have been removed. Some volumetric lights are absent, while others are handled differently in the Redux (light shafts, for example). Part of the reason this article was delayed was because we heard from Deep Silver on Monday last week that last-minute tweaks to the PC version were being implemented. In the event, this took the form of a couple of inserted volumetric lights that actually seem to look a little at odds with the rest of the game.

Our opinion is that the idea of the 2033 Redux being nerfed holds little water once you take a look at the advantages brought to the table - over and above the revamped and much improved gameplay we've previously covered. From a technological perspective, the enhancements in the Redux are legion: there are higher resolution textures and greater texture variety. Depth of field is massively improved with superior transitions between near and far objects. Field of view has been tweaked for the better, while general shading has also been improved.

These elements apply as much to the console versions. However, PC gets an additional layer of features not found in the Xbox One or PS4 games: motion blur is included, which sees a boost over the older version (where artefacts on the effect were commonplace) while tessellation has been significantly improved.

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There you have it. The game on PS4/X1 didn't have the same feature set of the original and doesn't have the fully dynamic lighting/shadowing engine. Hell it removed some features in the PC version to coincide with console version. It doesn't have tessellation on PS4/X1, no motion blur, the lighting is downgraded and clearly missing volumetric lighting. LMAO, in the same article DF mentions that PS4/X1 uses post process AA so that also throws out your 'PS4 running it the same as 970' argument.

Yes, I know now you would cling to the second paragraph of the article citing 'Our opinion is that the idea of the 2033 Redux being nerfed holds little water once you take a look at the advantages brought to the table' while completely ignoring that DF here is comparing PC vs PC redux not PC vs consoles. In the end the point still stands, Metro on PS4/X1 iss not the same as Metro on PC in 2010 with completely dynamic lighting/shadowing engine. It's performance intensive features were left out.

I had GTX970 SLI.......so please don't try to tell me about what they can do, I'm very aware thank you very much.

And by today's standards, they're quite poor.

@scatteh316: Why did you have SLI in the modern PC gaming world? It's been useless since about 2015. SLI support is non existent in games and if you knew anything about PC gaming you would know that. In fact running SLI usually results in worse performance these days. Why would you SLI cards with only 4 gbs of vRAM? What was the end goal?

What's today's standards? Playing 4k at maxed out? In the real world the vast majority of people are still playing 1080p60 and a GTX 970 does that for every game out there with only a small amount of issues in a few poorly optimized games.

I know you're lying and it's kind of sad. Nobody in their right mind would have SLI'ed 970s because by the time the card came out, SLI was dead. Nvidia doesn't even include SLI bridges with their GPUs anymore and have completely pulled driver level support for 3 and 4 card SLI setups with SLI support in general about to be pulled. That time is over. If you weren't lying and actually knew about the PC gaming market you would know this.

Why do you have to lie? What are you gaining?

@scatteh316: I bet you were running with some old phenom chip completely bottlenecked.

Or he's completely full of shit because nobody runs 900 series cards in SLI.

1. Just call me "the bringer of indirect light" or "master realtime mirror".

2. Thats not were the big profits are. AAA console games are a lot of work thrown at lots of poor people.

3. Youre a fool blinded with cheap render tricks over decades.

Really? I've had SLI systems, all games I played had SLI profiles.

@recloud: no you pay it once for a piece of hardware that will last you at least two console generations. For those of us with steady income it’s not that bad.

@slimdogmilionar: except that most people don't do that and that this tech doesn't last 2 generations of consoles, they barely last one. The GPU always shows its age 3 to 4 years later, this is a myth.

Man as much as im willing to sell my 1080 ti for a RTX 2080, i dont think it'll be worth the fps drop that this will probably bring. Waiting for benchmarks. If the RTX 2080 can handle BFV at 1440P with ray tracing on while getting 120+ fps i might bite. Im pretty sure it would be a great boost to 4K singleplayer games at 60fps as well.

People still discuss A vs B visuals thingy? Of course PC is the king. You can upgrade it and transform it into the most powerful platform. And companies like nVIDIA and AMD are always looking to show off new tech powered by their new graphics cards, hence they approach AAA devs to sign dem deals.

hmmm...needs more HAIRWORKS! :P

You have proved your motion blur claim.... thank you.

Just the claim about tessellation, lighting and shadows to go....

...a little tough to do since they are not out yet.

Oh Wasdie...I honestly expected more from you..... but alas......your idiocy has shown through in spades.

The GTX970 is an old card now...... so why are you ASSuming I ran them in SLI recently?

I had them at LAUNCH...... Ran them under water cooling with a custom BIOS at 1.6Ghz..... and no body in their right mind would SLI 970's? Again......more idiocy, the GTX970 owners thread over at overclock.net was full of SLI GTX970 owners.

I've made quite a comments previously about me running 970's in SLI and WHEN I ran them in SLI...... in fact I've even posted pictures of the PC with them in.

So congratulations on making assumptions and making yourself seem a little stupid in the process, next time don't make be so quick to make assumptions.

It was a de-delided, 5Ghz, direct die cooled 3770k actually.

@mrbojangles25: even when it's out, the majority of PC gamers won't be cashing out $500~$1600 for this. They'll keep their gpus until a budget version comes out or until the games demand more than what their actual gpus can handle.

And even then, games won't take advantage of the technology.

@scatteh316: Sure, bud.

Unlike most on here...... I can provide proof ;)

@scatteh316: Go ahead. I'd just laugh at running a 3770 at 5ghz daily. Talk about diminishing returns and a waste of time.

Yeah I'm looking forward to seeing where this tech goes. The demos look absolutely amazing. I'm going to wait until a few months after release to decide if I want to get one.

Also: lol salty Cows making it really dry in here. You know if this tech takes off it will come to consoles and we'll all benefit, then you'll be all about it and try to weaponize it against Nintendo or some other platform that's lacking that particular feature. Typical low-brow System Wars tactics.

Fair point. However, a 2070 version is already announced and the "Founders" edition is iirc ~600 USD, I imagine the standard 2070 is ~450 USD or so (MSRP). I imagine this will all be announced soon.

This doesn't include the 2060/2050 versions that, I am just speculating here, will rival 1070 performance.

With that said, I am always surprised how many people own 1080/1070 cards when the Steam Hardware Survey comes around; people jumped on that card pretty quick, despite the miners driving the price up.

It's funny how you make a joke about me using a Phenom 2 and bottlenecking the GPU's and then when you find it I actually had a 5Ghz 3770k you get all salty and say it's a waste of time.

This is the last PC I owned over 3 years ago now..

5Ghz 3770k

SLI GTX970's with a customer BIOS

SSD RAID 0

EVERYTHING water cooled..... I prolly had more money invested in my WC gear then you have in your WHOLE PC.....hahaha

That's beside all the sub-zero cooling I've done.....all the chips I've overclocked.... I've more experience building and clocking PC's then you'll ever have pal.

I bet you don't even know what a single stage is...

@scatteh316: You still sound like you're full of shit and you also don't seem to understand the greater picture. A 970 is still capeable today. You saying otherwise doesn't change that. Call me an idiot all you want, but you're the one not living in reality in this situation.

Luckily I see you blithering to this small community. Nobody out in the real world gives a shit. People are still playing on their 970s and buying the latest games despite your crusade against the consoles.

Nvidia having the profile isn't the same as a developer actually building their rendering pipeline to take advantage of it.

@scatteh316: Lol, never said i believed you. Only if it was true it would be a completely idiotic OC to run daily. You'd see no real world advantage over say 4.7 (especially at the time of a 3770k relevance), but you'd have a lot more V being pumped into that chip. So enjoy that nonsensical overclock. Bet those cinebench scores really got your motor running LMAO!!!

Voltage was well below Intel max safe limit and as it was direct die cooled temps were extremely cool...it had a pair of 360 rads in there so it actually ran stupid cool........and there such things as binned and extremely good overclocking chips you know....Hahaha..

@scatteh316: Yea... I dont believe you.

And you sound like someone who's been clowned by their own silly assumptions....

Sounds like he's reading off of some blog and never actually did any of this himself.

You've never once posted any proof of any of this and you crusade really hard against the PC for somebody who would have spent quite a bit of money and time on their own.

@scatteh316: Not sure what that picture proves, besides you building an ugly ass rig.

Did....did spent time on it......I've had a 3.5 year gap......

Plenty of proof on my google Drive, my Facebook, overclock.net, aria forums.....3d Mark Scores....HWBot submissions.....

So stop sounding so annoyed that

1. Your assumptions we're wrong

2. That there's a chance I actually know more about PC hardware and such then you do

It wasn't built to be pretty......I had been there and done that with all the LED lights and UV reactive cooling fluid....

This build was in a completely sealed and sound proved case with quiet fans as I wanted as quiet a PC as possible......it worked.

@scatteh316: Whatever floats your boat, bud.

So that's you also clowned by your own stupid assumptions.

@scatteh316: Its not an assumption that your pc is ugly af. Its a fact. Also you never provided any proof besides that busted ass pic. Get a life, salt boi.

And now you're in damage control mode......... I know more about PC's then you....deal with it.

@scatteh316: Damage control? Ive been trolling your salty ass for an hour now and you're still being baited. Stop crying on the internet.

And you're trying to say you're baiting me.......Awww........ the desperation is strong in this one.

I'll leave this one here ;)

@scatteh316: Its not hard. You're predictable with no actual conviction. Basically you're a flip flopper and a liar. You're also thin skinned, a reply from you is a given.

And you're easy ;)

I also suggest you learn what thin skinned actually means.

Check out those loads temps on that 2500k!!!!! o.O

@scatteh316: Thats a 2500k... Funny enough I can image search and find it too... Baited again. Loser kid lying on the internet.

See I love this.........finding out on this forum who the true, hardcore pc enthusiasts are and who the posers are.

You're the latter btw.....

I'll gladly give you access to the photobucket account that shot is from......as it's my account and it's my shot.

Or I can add you on STEAM and own you that way.

You're are baited and exposed.

@scatteh316: Yea... I dont believe you.