Zelda Needs A Dark, Gritty Reboot

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#51 Sword-Demon
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It also needs regenerating health, a short checkpoint system, competitive mulitplayer, a ranking system, unlocks, character upgrades, perks, leaderboard, clans, and a massive brown-gray color pallet and tons of swearing.

Yeah, that's next gen.

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i would totally buy that [spoiler] after i lost all 6 of my senses [/spoiler]

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#52 Lost-Memory
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I would Love a darker more brutal zelda. In fact. I think imma make one. Just..... Not zelda :D jkobviously, but it still would be awesome. And NO, I don't "Dislike" the current zelda in anyway. Stoked as can be fore SkywardSword.
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#53 mrmusicman247
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I thought Dark Souls was already announced...
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#54 Enforcedspot
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no thanks bro
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#55 iammason
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I always envisioned a reboot of Zelda to be steam punk.... just sayin.
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#56 Vaasman
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Gears of Zelda it is.

I hope you're happy.

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#57 thom_maytees
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Zelda will lose its soul if it compromises with Western tastes. Keep it pure and Japanese.
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#58 felipebo
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Ohwowno.

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#59 timmy00
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Ew no. Zelda is fine as it is. A "dark, gritty" reboot like that would probably ruin the series for me.

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#60 MUSH_IS_PWNs
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Majoras mask is as far as Zelda should ever go. Those screens you posted made me cringe.

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Exactly what I was thinking. I really want another gritty Majora's Mask type Zelda but Ocarina of Time is amazing too. Whatever it is, make a new Zelda like those 2. Since the N64 it seems the atmosphere in Zelda has been lacking.
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#61 Cruxis27
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Why? So they would appeal to the older gamers? Nintendo needs a whole new generation of Zelda fans. And the only real way to do that? Kiddies!

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#62 PhazonBlazer
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Personally I'd prefer a new Zelda with Windwaker graphics but that may be just me.

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#63 vashkey
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lol, no
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#64 nervmeister
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......................Does TC work for Ninja Theory by any chance?
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#66 AAllxxjjnn
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Definitely...not.
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#67 StealthSting
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Twilight Princess was a dark Zelda. It was my least favorite console Zelda although still great. I feel as though a dark Zelda could be amazing, but it needs to have more lively and interesting towns than TP did, AND it needs to have the contrast of happy and sad. By this I mean it cannot be dark 24/7. Sadness and despair don't set in as heavy if the world feels like that all the time. I feel as though Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker did this really well. Especially Ocarina of Time. The world seems happy and relatively at peace as a kid, but when years pass the world just goes to hell and the feeling is ominous.

NaveedLife

Yes, because Link should be some wisecracking, angsty womanising teenager. Splattered in blood and constantly blurring the lines between good and evil.

Yes, lets make zelda dark and gritty, OWAIT we already did that with Twighlight Princess. And what was the end result? A souless game with a chronic identity crisis. The only reason the game was made like that is because GCN fans' wanted their own 'GTA', to proove nintendo wasn't kiddy. But just Like GTA4 everyone is singing it's praises at firt, but fast forward 2 years and everyone is agreement that they're both well crafted pieces of coal.

You do gritty reboots, you take out the charm. Hey you might get some good in return as Warrior Within, but both games are completely immemorable without the charm.

Zelda needs evolution, not revolution. Stick with the mechanics from WW with a few additions; have a fleshed out storyline, elongated yet meaningful sidequests, and a more content filled overworld jam packed with charming and funny characters. Thats what the story needs, not cross-genre bullsh*t, if you want it to have other games mechanics, why not just appreciate those games instead?

YoYo278

Nice posts, I agree.

I especially agree with NaveedLife's take on contrast, especially when we're talking about a series like Zelda. We're not talking about Deus Ex here, where the gritty feel is there for obvious reasons throughout the whole game and it works, the Zelda universe on the other hand functions in a different manner.

The environment in the Zelda series is a very important element in the game, it's vibrant and alive, always changing, in a sense, it bears just as much of an importance as character development and in fact the games environment follows that exact pattern.

You also see this in Majora's Mask--the shaking of the earth becoming more violent as the last day draws near, bad weather, or the desertion of the population on the last day, when just two days ago, Clocktown was filled with rapture. These are the sort of details that makes Zelda and other games that follow this formula special. People have a habbit of just categorizing this sorts of games as kiddy, but they sometimes have no idea how much thought and detail was put into these games... the sort of detail that makes you think about the possibilities of the medium. Detail that you can't find even in favorites like Shadow of the Colossus for instance, where the world is indeed artistically beautiful, but it's also static and purposefully dead.

Twilight for instance was missing this. The world was already plunged in darkness and had very little development to it outside of just characterization, I still find that the game missed a lot of what the series were building on. I agree with YoYo, not to bring out the whole TP hate thing, but while I found the game to be far from dead, it just didn't have the living soul to me that other games in the series had.

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#68 vadicta
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Gears of Zelda it is.

I hope you're happy.

Vaasman



And they still couldn't make the fairy more bad ass :P

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#69 DJ-Lafleur
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No, it doesn't. Zelda is fine the way it is.

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#70 madsnakehhh
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In what strange universe Dark = Better, i'm agree with the change of formula but i'm hayppy with Zelda's fantasy world.

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#71 VideoGameGuy
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maybe you should just turn the brightness on your tv down a little.
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#72 lowe0
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I don't think I'd like dark and gritty so much in the sex or violence aspect, but rather in the storyline. Things should start out bad with the possibility to get much worse, the player should be forced to decide whether to do some pretty reprehensible things for the greater good, and there should not be anything even remotely resembling a happy ending - only "we're not totally screwed for the time being." Basically, look at inFamous and go from there. That'd be enough to get me to pick up a Zelda game again.
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#73 funsohng
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That is disgusting. I would agree to a dark and gritty Zelda, but just once, shouldn't be the new direction of the series. And if they are ever going for that, god I hope they don't look at those pics. They look way too much like an American comic, and don't feel like Zelda at all.
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#74 ycole11
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Those concepts are awful. I do agree that Zelda could use a little updating but not necessarily to make it extremely violent and dark. In my opinion, the ideal Zelda game would include some sort of voice work (not necessarily with Link), a deeper story, and the ability to use a regular controller.

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#75 OreoMilkshake
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So it needs to be an erotic Deviantart fantasy?
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#76 Juggernaut140
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I'm so god damn sick of "gritty reboots". In fact, I'm sick of gritty games in general. Keep that **** out of my Zelda.
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#77 Gibsonsg527
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No I actually like the exact opposite I really loved The Wind Waker.

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This has to be the 3rd time in the history of forever System Wars has agreed on something.
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#79 Wii4Fun
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I don't think I'd like dark and gritty so much in the sex or violence aspect, but rather in the storyline. Things should start out bad with the possibility to get much worse, the player should be forced to decide whether to do some pretty reprehensible things for the greater good, and there should not be anything even remotely resembling a happy ending - only "we're not totally screwed for the time being." Basically, look at inFamous and go from there. That'd be enough to get me to pick up a Zelda game again.lowe0

No.

I'm all for some change in Zelda but not in that direction.

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#80 goblaa
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No. God no. Zelda's problem is not it's setting, it's the "no-surprise" formula. If I want to play darksiders, I'll play darksiders.

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#81 skrat_01
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I lol'd.

Well, Twilight Princess did suck.
However Majoria's Mask was absolutely amazing.

Hm Darksiders anyone?

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#82 princemarth23
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I wouldn't mind a Majora's Mask style darkness to Zelda but not a dystopoian 1984 style Zelda.

Vesica_Prime

This. Majora's Mask was awesome, but going super dark and gritty would be a bad idea imo.

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#83 nintendoboy16
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Please be joking. Nintendo doesn't need Zelda to be like that. Now a dark game like Majora's Mask. YES!
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#84 sandbox3d
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Yeah, **** that. How about you kids go and play one of the hundreds of dark, gritty, im-a-baby-trying-to-act-like-an-adult games and just let Ninty do what they do?

...but I do think some of you may find this interesting.

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?t=101784

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#85 nintendoboy16
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Twilight Princess was a dark Zelda. It was my least favorite console Zelda although still great. I feel as though a dark Zelda could be amazing, but it needs to have more lively and interesting towns than TP did, AND it needs to have the contrast of happy and sad. By this I mean it cannot be dark 24/7. Sadness and despair don't set in as heavy if the world feels like that all the time. I feel as though Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker did this really well. Especially Ocarina of Time. The world seems happy and relatively at peace as a kid, but when years pass the world just goes to hell and the feeling is ominous.

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Majora's Mask was and STILL is the darkest Zelda. Not Twilight Princess.
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#86 jethrovegas
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That's a horrible idea. Zelda is pure escapism. It's about musick and visual poetry; an undistilled fantasy, in other words.

I mean, prosititutes? Succubi? Are you serious?

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#87 jasonharris48
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The design you posed for Princess Zelda is pretty lame. I wouldn't mind seeing another Zelda title in the likes of Majora's Mask.

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#88 HarlockJC
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I lol'd.

Well, Twilight Princess did suck.
However Majoria's Mask was absolutely amazing.

Hm Darksiders anyone?

skrat_01

Personally I loved Twilight Princess and still think it's one of the best console games this gen. I agree with you if someone wants a fark and gritty Zelda game than buy one like Darksiders. Don't mess with Zelda.

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#89 csimonma
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TC Nintendo makes The Legend Of Zelda not The Legend of Van Helsing.

ugoo18
LOL! A Majora's Mask take on a new Zelda would be awesome.
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#90 caryslan2
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Honestly TC, your ideas are just as bad as the people who try to combine Mario with GTA and demand a darker gritter take on the Mario franchise.

While Twilight Princess is probably my second favorite Zelda after A Link To The Past, I don't agree with turning the franchise into a gritty Mature rated series. Besides Twilight Princess and Majora's Mask, Zelda has its share of dark moments, so there is really no reason to cross the line. Also, why would you want established characters destroyed just so the game can appeal to a demographic that would probably ignore it anyway?

Why destroy your fanbase, and risk a franchise in the hopes that a few violence and sex mongers are made happy? About the only thing Zelda needs is maybe a new direction in gameplay and the addition of voice acting.

Making a Mature rated Zelda is not going to accomplish either of those goals.

Twilight Princess and Majora's Mask is as far as they should go when it comes to darkness in the Zelda franchise. Anything further and I won't bother with the franchise anymore.

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#91 DerpyMcDerp
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Dark. Gritty. Nintendo. :lol:

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#92 jasonharris48
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Dark. Gritty. Nintendo. :lol:

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The theme is Majora's Mask was pretty dark if you think about it.

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#93 CoolSkAGuy
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I think we need more of WW style of story telling. It was quite dark in itself.
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#94 YoYo278
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This has to be the 3rd time in the history of forever System Wars has agreed on something. jg4xchamp


Well, it's much easier to agree what makes something bad rather than what makes it good, and this really shouldn't be a SW thread, since it's not being comparitive or critical.



I think we need more of WW ****of story telling. It was quite dark in itself.CoolSkAGuy



Wind Waker is a strange one, it's a game that is nearly flawless, but at the same time left so much room for improvement. Probably the one Zelda game where I wouldn't mind if they went back and finished off the omitted dungeons.

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#95 SpinoRaptor24
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A succubus that seduces Link?

You really believe Nintendo is going to be A-OK with that?

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#96 -Big_Red-
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I agree, but Nintendo will never do anything like that. They are much to kiddish nowadays.

Majoras mask is as far as Zelda should ever go. Those screens you posted made me cringe.

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Really?:?
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#97 zekere
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Lol, I don't agree , but I think it needs HD graphics, two big world maps , 20 dungeons with scary bosses and lots of funny side quests . You know, a game like Ocarina of Time or Zelda 3 in the good old days !

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#98 Juggernaut140
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This is like, the equivalent of giving SSX a gritty reboot.

Yeah, **** that. How about you kids go and play one of the hundreds of dark, gritty, im-a-baby-trying-to-act-like-an-adult games and just let Ninty do what they do?

...but I do think some of you may find this interesting.

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?t=101784

sandbox3d
Agreed 2 da max.
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#99 black_chamber99
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A succubus that seduces Link?

You really believe Nintendo is going to be A-OK with that?

SpinoRaptor24

nintendo would never have the balls to take zelda in this direction but I wish they did