M or AO?

OH LORD YES

You mean the new BTK game? I hear it's only going to have about 80 characters or so, which is very disappointing. I'm still excited though. BTK3 remains my most played game on PS2 these days.

WHICH new DBZ title are we talking about?MrStarkiller

DBZ: Raging Blast. It's part of the BT series though. 

OH LORD YES

You mean the new BTK game? I hear it's only going to have about 80 characters or so, which is very disappointing. I'm still excited though. BTK3 remains my most played game on PS2 these days.

Kuro-sama

Yeah, it's called Raging Blast. I hope they don't somehow screw up SS3 Broly. He would theoretically have power that approaches SS4.

I don't like how it is animated though. I mean, sure the hi-def part is alright, but they made the characters look too damn fluid. In BT3, it actually looked like the characters were fast >__>.

80 characters is not so bad. 

I just hope they fix up that cutscene thing. Every single time a character said a sentence or two, the damn perspective changed, freaking annoying. Having two or three characters on the arena (just as spectators for the actual fight) so that they don't have to tag out every time a new character comes in, would be good as well. 

Ya know, I always hated the fact that I couldn't use every special move that a character had. eg. with Frieza's true form, he had that rapid multi-death-beam move and no normal death beam. Frankly, that made the Vegeta-kill cutscene look retarded. 

Budokai Tenkaichi.....FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

(SS3 vs LSS) SS3 has the highest power/speed output *just slightly in the physical sense* and greatly increases ki from what I recall of official descriptions. It bleeds out energy like no tomorrow (SS2 being a far more stable choice). LSS doesn't grant a power increase that is as significantly different from the users base as with even SS2, but said user constantly amasses power (virtually perpetual energy). Their mass increases yet speed suffers very little (mobility issues I imagine). It's said they have to release power out to monitor how much they take in at once as time goes by *they can get more and more but apparently they'll blow themeselves apart if they don't play their cards right*. Give the LSS sufficient time to get stronger (training/recovery would certainly help due to saiyan genetics) *I hypothesize that the base would probably need to be close to the foes SS2 form for LSS to match or exceed a SS3* The benefits of LSS being obvious as noted...continous power increase with near endless ki (rather than bleeding both away like a failing nuclear reactor). How does it work? **** if I know.

I recall only briefly looking at Raging Blast before turning away *when it wasn't another BUDOKAI proper*.

By the looks of it, they went and created not a SS3 Broly...but a LSS3 Broly because if he was in the SS3 form...he would not be a hulk...We've seen his SS state. We know his base is slender/scrawny. LSS alters the form/proportions of his body in rediculous fashion. It's like SS4 in the drastic physical (to the point of being nonsensical, but not quite on the level of SS4 turning children to adults) alterations to the base.

Obviously we're not talking power increase of base versus the form in question. If Broly wasn't such DAMAGED goods, he would have the sense to take advantage of his genetics...train, learn/create techniques, etc. He fights in a way not seen with ANY other fight (like a bulky pro wrestler/tank) and whores his basics (energy ball *charged variant and rapid/multi-shots as well* and energy shield).

In his defut, he was seen expelling energy out of his shield while powering up *keeping his body in check*. That could be considered an attack he should have in games available ONLY when at MAX ki...with a indicator of sorts that he will 'go critical' if he doesn't release power. In Budokai terms, there is NO REASON he shouldn't have base line ki of 7 as LSS while having the power increase left as is or lowered a bit (inferior to SS2). SS3 bleeds energy out but at the same time it is meant to increase ki power/output substantially *of course speed/power see an increase, but not quite on the level of SS vs SS2*. I don't really wish to talk about SS4 as such. It's stupid and poorly thought out...it just...does things.

It can get interesting to consider how these differ and could be applied in future titles. I don't expect "Raging Blast" to impress me. Creating what is essentially DBAF (**** tier fan trash) form *LSS3 rather than an SS3 Broly which would also defeat the purpose of the guy being the LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN..the only one who has that state as an option*. You can train and learn alot of things...but there just happens to be those few goals you cannot reach without the proper genetics and Broly *for no apparent reason* has those blessed genes allowing for it.

Sadly he got **** on by life and became unstable, violent, paranoid, etc. to the point that he couldn't really be taken seriously when he spoke. His irrational obsession with Kakkorot...and the 'reason' for it. He shouldn't recall it at all. He was just ****ing born not too long before that sequence. The stabbing shouldn't even register. One has to wonder how his path of destruction evaded Frieza's eyes for so long...what a terror it would have been for the changling to witness a LSS...living up to the part of the legend speaking of ULTRA VIOLENT TENDENCIES. No mercy.

To add LSS and SS3 into a new LSS3 IS hax. There is no other way to look at it. Suppose it just takes SS3 and alters it to have greater mass (Ultra SS3 if you will) while keeping speed (losing mobility) and fixing the energy issues...that would pose a serious threat to a SS4 at the very least.

Personally I'd rather see a SS4 Vegetto just to beat the life out of SS4 Gogeta. I'd accept the taint of GT if only to beat GT into the ground with an untouchable icon of power from 'Z proper'.

NOTE: Fusions never quite feel distinct enough to me. Vegetto in Shin Budokai 2 has come a good way since Vegetto of B2 concerning the portrayal...but I still find it out that his BEST attack is a psuedo-mystlical energy manipulation in the form of a sword that can alter in length. It just comes off as a bit odd rather than AWESOME. He should SHAME his foe before delivery at least. SS4 Gogeta (and even SS2 Gogeta) got fair handling for their Ultimates.

NOTE2: Gotenks and his explosive sperm ghosts don't really do anything for me. Those should have been better applied for Buutenks for a SUPER or an Ultimate used without a cutscene (tracking explosives that have the option to stop and fire energy waves that can be charged). *give the freak the super screaming barrier where he destroys UNIVERSES instead*

Final Kamehamehas as represented in DBGT Final Bout is sort of awkward. The version in Shin Budokai is acceptable though it evokes the idea Galic Gun more so than Final Flash + Kamehameha. Lookling like the white hot bolt used against Super Buu (usable at base) would be preferred. Sort of resembling SS4 Gogeta's Big Bang Kamehameha *though that attack is a 'spray' rather than a wave or ball* in posture though with different hand gestures involved. The power of the attack isn't quite up to par even when charged which is a FIERCE disservice to the two parts invovled. Granted one part is typically used as a 'Super', but it is known to be powerful when charged to the point that it can qualify as an Ultimate. The other part is JUST an Ultimate that at worst could be considered a Super when powered down for a quick shot. Mind you the anime cases beyond Cell aren't canon as far as I recall so we have just the one case of it being used to take notes on where it was an attack that required CHARGING/FOCUS with a large quantity of ki put into it. Speeding up the process of an efficient/quick powerhouse blast would be a fair representation of the attack when **** like BB Kamehameha is allowed to exist in a SEVERELY overpowered state (consider how strong it would be even IF SS4 Gogeta's attack % wasn't at the rediculous level it is).

NOTE: I think it would be fun to improve Budokai characters in discussion. Having that 'energy shield' of Broly's work like Cell's "Eneregy Barrier" while allowing the option to side-step would present a case where teleports wouldn't work but rapid dodges and other methods would. Being able to 'struggle' with it would be proper I think. When you activate it (screen goes dark briefly), holding in the direction you wish to go other than the default of TOWARDS the foe would be nice *side-stepping direction of the attack seems like a bit much. Charging 'Blaster Shell' isn't asking much. The energy punch for dashing ki is fine. Having 'Gigantic Meteor' for an ULTIMATE is fine. Granting free control of the blasts is going too far obviously though broly tended to do that often enough in a given showing.

NOTE2: His grab happy tendencies are UNDERSTATED in Budokai. He feels like a powerhouse, but doesn't really play to his pro wrestler antics (clothsline, body stomps, torture rack, bear hug, etc.). This sort of style could be paralled by Super 13. I don't recall Bojacks style...he was sort of lame. Broly certainly seems like the type to using dashing grabs, ground grabs and juggle grabs. Not so much counters though *Vegetto*. Getting too technical for a Dragonball game. Suck it down casual. It doesn't have to be hardcore, but it needs to be less bland across the board. If they wish to stay bland, they could at least grant us the ability to create characters using the 'palettes' they freely swap already...

~This topic would be better discussed in OT, but this topic sucks anyway

By the looks of it, they went and created not a SS3 Broly...but a LSS3 Broly because if he was in the SS3 form...he would not be a hulk...We've seen his SS state. We know his base is slender/scrawny. LSS alters the form/proportions of his body in rediculous fashion. It's like SS4 in the drastic physical (to the point of being nonsensical, but not quite on the level of SS4 turning children to adults) alterations to the base.

MrStarkiller

LSS3 Broly - Truth. If anything, I wonder if the drawbacks for SS3 (Rapid power consumption) and LSS (having to constantly let power out) would apply. I also wonder if LSS's rate of energy production is enough to balance or surpass SS3's energy consumption. If so, the drawback for SS3 really wouldn't apply. Though if the energy loss is balanced with energy gained, then we'd basically have a bulked up and slightly better than average-SS3 Broly.   

SS4 - I thought it just altered the height and mass a little >__>? For Vegeta that was the case. SS4 probably just temporarily undid R.Shenron's magic, and then added the extra height and mass to the "normal" Goku.

Budokai Tenkaichi.....FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

(SS3 vs LSS) SS3 has the highest power/speed output *just slightly in the physical sense* and greatly increases ki from what I recall of official descriptions. It bleeds out energy like no tomorrow (SS2 being a far more stable choice). LSS doesn't grant a power increase that is as significantly different from the users base as with even SS2, but said user constantly amasses power (virtually perpetual energy). Their mass increases yet speed suffers very little (mobility issues I imagine). It's said they have to release power out to monitor how much they take in at once as time goes by *they can get more and more but apparently they'll blow themeselves apart if they don't play their cards right*. Give the LSS sufficient time to get stronger (training/recovery would certainly help due to saiyan genetics) *I hypothesize that the base would probably need to be close to the foes SS2 form for LSS to match or exceed a SS3* The benefits of LSS being obvious as noted...continous power increase with near endless ki (rather than bleeding both away like a failing nuclear reactor). How does it work? **** if I know.

I recall only briefly looking at Raging Blast before turning away *when it wasn't another BUDOKAI proper*.

MrStarkiller

Budokai Tenkaichi - Grow some ****s and really play that series, 'specially 3. Budokai 3 might be great, but for DBZ, I find the mobility range of BT to be more 'realistic'.

SS3 vs. LSS3 - Frankly though, I view the LSS state as something that is like a battle accessory i.e. it can be used for any stage. Such that, we could have a state called "Legendary Saiyan" that is basically LSS for basic Broly. Thus, each SS form could technically have an LSS mode >__>.

With SS3 as the base, and LSS getting activated, Broly would be able to curbstomp Buuhan imo.  

Yeah, speed was probably tied to mobility issues, and striking speed as well. Trunks surpassed P.Cell in brute power, but couldn't do jack **** because he wasn't fast enough to hit him.  

Had he been able to train and master the form properly, and perhaps have techniques 'given' to him like Goku...we wouldn't have had GT if that form and character were canon...or worse, Goku & Vegeta would have acquired SS4 earlier >__>.

~ Broly as a SS4 activating LSS mode, there's an event.  

(LSS3) One potential conclusion to the two differences in ki management would somehow balance (perpetual energy) or at least give a depletable, but strong supply of energy/power (SS efficiency on a FAR higher scale). I'd also imagine the process of constantly venting/bleeding energy while amassing it would be a tad unstable at least in appearance/surroundings. I see it constantly destroying the areas within any sort of proximity less because of the power and more because of the crappy attempt at equillibrium constantly jacking up external factors instead of the source itself.

(SS4) Not for a second will I ever accept the idea of 'power' overriding magic for Dragonball. It's just a bull**** form that takes the user to one idealized form regardless of age, size, etc. I bet if Goku lost a limb he would AT LEAST have it back in that form. It's that stupid to me.

(Tenkaichi) **** that noise. The mobility doesn't justify the other failing of that presentation. Even an old mod like ESF does THAT sort of fighting better. I hate that series.

(SS3 vs LSS3) I don't. It gets too silly to picture it as such. Piling transformations for bastard offshoots quickly gets stupid *like AF is*. Concerning Buuhan, it depends entirely on how the two forms interact in this what-if. If the set-up is that LSS just increases the power of a given form by a set multiple (SS to LSS for Broly)...it's still hard to see LSS3 entirely outclassing Buuhan *with no respect paid to magic and regeneration whoring* in power with respects to his MAX (trying to break reality). To do so, he would need to match SS Vegetto while giving it his best. It's hard to say how things would change exactly. I expect the form to feel stupid in execution.

LSS doesn't have speed issues (it should, but doesn't) yet has a bit of trouble with mobility. His body was altered in proportions to accomodate (to a degree) rather than just adding muscles that giant tool (Trunks). Though Trunks still could have applied the old GIGANTIC ENERGY ATTACK approach rather than being totally retarded about the whole situation while Cell was perfectly happy with not rising to the occassion to feed his vanity.

Let's not even get into the whole "given" techniques bit. Goku is of the sort of main character where he gets to learn everything (even nonsensical abilities/transformations) with no real effort and go beyond the basics without a convincing explanation of the surpassing process. He doesn't kill people. If people like Vegeta and Picollo didn't, Kakkorot would have been the end of the Universe by letting everyone have another chance to destroy everything. As for letting Broly be sane of mind, train, learn actual techniques, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HIS GENETICS, etc. ...well that would be lovely. Concerning the last bit...where the hell was his tail in the first two outings? A nearby planet should count as a moon and give off that stupid 'waves' that create 'Great Apes' so if things were going bad, he could just go LSS Oozaru and flying through the giant comet with a big stupid grin. What of the power increases associated with surviving severe injuries? He didn't get a proper bump for Movie 2 at all. It was total bull****. Gohan should have been raped even at SS2 since he wasn't training. It woud be like Perfect Cell going Super Perfect then facing Adult Gohan SS2. Sure Vegeta could have gone SS and raped Broly at that point (no where to be seen in a VERY bizarre exclusion...convenient for the Son clan)..but Gohan, Trunks and Goten (screw not-really-there-Ghost Goku) should NEVER have been sufficient to best Broly. Then there is the Sun being tiny and very near to Earth and Broly not being able to get up the power needed to break free of the wave. Killed by a star. How low tier considering the destruction of a whole Galaxy in his first act (that we were told about) *though that is decidedly MORE power than he should really EVER have been able to display as I don't really see Kid Buu as capable of doing that all at once let alone Broly...Buuhan? Sure. Vegetto? Who's questioning his power?*

(LSS4) ...I wonder if the LSS multiplication of his SS4 base would be sufficent to match the Fusion Dance of Vegeta and Goku as such. Perhaps not quite matching but certainly doing better than Omerga to the point he would be able to survive a serious onslaught with his rediculous ki efficiency in even THAT state...15 minutes of the stupid trash talking would be 'Easy Mode'. Because GT ruins everything. Gogeta was so serious in his first showing and GT saw fit to turn that on its head....Why? Also, he looked like Goku with Red Hair (just what we needed). Ginger Kakkorot mocking the widow's peak with his disorderly hair. Inglorious.