TUGOWU Speedrun Thread

That is a lot of very useful info. I used the bow a lot on my very first playthrough of GoWII just because I thought it was so cool. It just seemed to me at the time that the upgraded moves (aside from wind blast) were all show and not much use. Of all the things you've shown with the bow, I think using titan storm to break a crowd of statues is one of the most interesting.

Titan Storm has a use or two. It is best used if there are a large number of enemies that can be killed by it with one shot *as you would expect for efficiency purposes*. If it is being used..it had better get the job done for 50MP.

About the RotT damage issue, I've seen it said a few times on the GoWII board (by you and others) that RotT does not directly affect damage. I believed this but the fight with Zeus convinced me otherwise. My method for the fight was: turn on RotT, stun him with CR and use the squarex5 combo on him, when the square finisher has connected, quickly cast another CR and continue. If I continued this rhythm non-stop, the phase would end with about 90% of Rage spent and half a bar of magic left. I tried it without using RotT, doing the same method of tieing up with CR and following up with squarex5. If RotT does not increase damage then the phase should end when I reach full magic right? I spent all CR continuing with the same rhythm and the phase STILL wasn't over. This led me to believe that RotT does increase the damage of the blade's attacks.

It just allows you to attack uninterupted for the most part. There may be other effects I haven't noted about RotT (for instance, a possible extra stun though not supsected or proven..just to note something that could be there) but I'll assure you again, that damage isn't effected for lvl3 weapons. What I deal with are concrete numbers using the system the Guide grants me. Thusly, I don't have to deal in the abstracts of 'number of hits' and other such made up approximations. It was a problem before because I hadn't mapped out the individual values of each animations damage. Take for instance the BoO's square combo at lvl3 on Normal w/ default Kratos:

1. 15+ laser (these are worth 5)

2. 15+ laser

3. 15+ laser

4. 15 + laser

5. 30 + laser *ender*

^All of the square motions aside from the ender do the same damage. This doesn't happen with the other weapons. Here is the triangle combo *note that the number of the attack matches the animation used..if in a different combo that move keeps the damage number it has listed here..unique damage based on the animation*

1. 30 + laser

2. 15 + laser

3. 15 + laser

4. 45, 15 *direct hit scores extra damage*

So in a square, triangle, square combo it does

1. 15 + laser

2. 15 + laser *same effect as second hit of a triangle combo*

3. 15 +laser

In a triangle, square, triangle combo it does the same damage. It is all in the animation. The first hit of the triangle combo is stronger which is good since it is a low start where I could have been using a square, triangle starter to better effect mroe often then not. RotT doesn't effect the damage numbers at all. It just makes it safer/esier to attack all out.

After reading your reply, I went ahead and tested this for myself in the Arena. Infinite health, magic and rage, titan mode. This is directly after my last run so I had lvl3 Blades of Athena, lvl3 Hammer, lvl1 Spear, lvl1 Blade of Olympus. I tested all secondary weapons with only single strikes (not following up with combos) - so press square for example, run to break combo, press square etc. The format is as follows:

Enemy:

Weapon - move - number of hits without RotT | number of hits with RotT

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Greek Woman:

lvl1 BoO - square - 3 hits | 1 hit with RotT

At this very moment, I am reminded that I've been meaning to test if you could achieve lvl3 power using RotT duirng a NUR. You see, the guide explains that the Blades can stake up to 300 since that is their upperlimit...since they get different moves it isn't likely I'll get good results. With the sub-weapons they can reach 200% (lvl3) power..I'm now testing this by using my seventh save slot for lvl1 everything in AotF *I keep such things for lots of reasons that you can make sense of with little effort*. Know that I need lvl3 Typhon's Bane for accurate measuring. My findings using lvl1 w/o and w/ RotT:

lvl1 square 5 - w/ RotT 15

lvl2 square 10 - w/ RotT 15

lvl3 square 15 - w/ RotT 15 *not including the laser*

So the results match the hypothesis. These are the numbers you wanted am I correct? You did well to question me this time. I had been slacking on getting the lvl1 values. Now I know how it works. This will be invaluable information for Speedruns so I don't think this is at all Off-Topic. *to anyone monitoring our conversation* Of course PS won't be effected as it isn't set up that way. So just to get it out of the way:

lvl1 SoD square2 - w/ RotT 6

lvl2 SoD square4 - w/ RotT 6

lvl3 SoD square6 - w/ RotT 6

PS was, as expected, unaffected. Only the level of the weapn matters. However, I've mistake the meaning of the 100-200% numbers, thus a lvl1 weapon is 1/3 the power of lvl3 rather then 1/2.

lvl1 BH square5 - w/RotT 15

lvl2 BH square10 - w/ RotT 15

lvl3 BH square15 - w/RotT 15

To perfect this new understanding I'll wrap this test up with the Blades.

lvl1 air square2 - w/ RotT 6

lvl2 air square3 - w/ RotT 6

lvl3 air square4 - w/ RotT 6

lvl4 air square5 - w/ RotT 6

lvl5 air square6 - w/ RotT 6

NOTE: I got to test lvl2 Lethal Vortex and it too auto-breaks statues.

SPECIAL THANKS: What would I do without guys like you? People who keep me on my toes..revising. Now it makes PERFECT sense why RotT+Hammer is still so devastating in a NUR..it is essentailly giving yourself the lvl3 Hammer w/ all the benefits of RotT...magnificent. Now it all makes sense. Thanks to MistryMan.

Rhodes Soldier:

lvl1 BoO - square - 6 hits | 2 hits with RotT

lvl1 SoD - square - 14 hits | 5 hits with RotT

Fates Sentry:

lvl1 BoO - square - 10 hits | 4 hits with RotT

lvl1 BoO - triangle - 5 hits | 2 hits with RotT

lvl1 BoO - divine retribution - 2 hits | 1 hit with RotT

lvl1 SoD - square - 24 hits | 8 hits with RotT

lvl1 SoD - piercing shards - 4 hits | 4 hits with RotT

lvl3 Hammer - square - 4 hits | 4 hits with RotT

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To test the lvl3 blades of athena I used 2 methods.

Method 1: I loaded up a fates sentry and did the following: launch with a follow-up jump, attack in the air with Cyclone of Chaos. To test this with RotT, I performed the launch+follow, immediately turned on RotT and used Cyclone of Chaos whilst still in RotT mode. The RotT version of this attack killed the fates sentry at the 16th hit of the total combo (died midair). Without RotT, the sentry was still alive after 19 hits and hit the ground, requiring more hits to die.

Method 2: Build up to spirit with missed attacks (square, triangle, triangle), and only connect with the final triangle (spirit). For the RotT version of this combo, I switched to RotT *just* before spirit lands. The results were:

Cerberus Breeder (to first minigame) - 6 hits | 5 hits with RotT spirit

Hades Juggernaut (to minigame) - 9 hits | 6 hits with RotT spirit

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At first glance of these figures it seems to me that RotT does in fact increase attack damage, just not for every attack or weapon (PS and hammer). I don't know how you tested and whether or not there is a hole in my testing methods. These numbers make sense to me though with some simple maths - I'll use figures from your Tactics/Tips thread:

The Rhodes Soldier has 20 HP. lvl1 SoD square attacks do 1.5 dmg on titan (200% attack increase at lvl3 brings a 6 dmg square hit down to 3 dmg at lvl1, further 50% decrease for titan mode). 20hp/1.5dmg = 13.33 hits, therefore it will take 14 hits to kill (as displayed in the tests in the arena).

With fully upgraded RotT (as in the arena), there is a 300% increase in damage. So each square attack does 1.5x3 = 4.5 dmg. 20hp/4.5dmg = 4.44 hits, therefore it will take 5 hits to kill (as displayed in the tests in the arena).

Sorry for the MAMMOTH post, but if there is anyone who will take the time to understand all this, it's GMG.

You are right to believe I'm someone who would read and understand what you say. It was worth my while afterall. Even though you couldn't give exact numbers, you were on the right track. As I explained above, I hadn't yet gotten around to testing lvl1 weapons yet. Now I know how to divide them AND I now know exactly what RotT offers us. In a NUR/Speedrun, it gives an amazing advantage...it gives us the power of the weapons full strength for everything except the ground blades *lost moves* and Piercing Shards which isn't effected by weapon level..looks to be a balancing reason as if it was't I could use lvl1 PS+RotT (quick burst) to shatter all but one enemy in a hurry in even a NUR. In a GK:TM:NUR however, it would still only be half the strength in the hypothetical world where it could be effected by difficulty, costume, etc. It is best that it isn't I suppose.

Consider this *something I had thought about before seeing that RotT didn't increase MAX weapon strength*...when we level the Blades, we do it for Zeus right? Well we only really use "Spriit" and the 3x RotT combo amirite? Well using lvl1 Spirit you get 2 damage from the beginning animation, 12 damge from a hit, plus 12 more if you net a perfect shot. If you flip on RotT at the moment you animation begins you could instead do 6, 36, 36. For the RotT ground moves...they don't get effected by the weapons level at all! We don't have to level the Blades during our Speedruns for Zeus! Whenever a weapon is less the lvlMAX, it is brought up to MAX power by RotT..that is exactly how it modifies damage. So in a Bonus Play w/ lvl3 BoO, it doesn't do anything to add RotT. In a non-BP however...it will give the BoO lvl3 power minus the lasers.

Since you are like me in a few ways..I rust you read and understood what I said as this post evolved from a before-after perspective. Time to share the wealth with the others don't you agree? Now we fully understand RotT and weapon levels. This is wonderful knowledge.

MistryMan

A very interesting post there, I can see the evolved thought process as you worked through the post. These multipliers are important for determining weapon upgrades and choices within a speedrun. I have a few more things that I want to clarify though.

However, I've mistake the meaning of the 100-200% numbers, thus a lvl1 weapon is 1/3 the power of lvl3 rather then 1/2.

the-creeper

I'm a little confused by your wording and your results here. Just to clarify, the Rhodes Soldier calculation in my post demonstrates that lvl1 secondary weapons have 1/2 the attack power of lvl 3 - not 1/3. And therefore, on titan mode (50% power) a lvl1 SoD square attack does 1.5 dmg and 4.5 dmg with RotT.

I used these hypothetical numbers in that calculation and it correlated with the results that I found. A 20HP Rhodes Soldier requires 13.33 hits each inflicting 1.5 dmg to kill (20/1.5 = 13.33). Therefore 14 hits - as tested by myself. If lvl1 SoD was 2 dmg (as you posted), then on titan mode it would inflict 1 dmg and take 20 hits to kill the 20HP Rhodes Soldier, which isn't true. Maybe I mis-read your post but I just wanted to clarify that the 200% multiplier in the guide snippets is correct.

This would however mean on titan mode, the 50% difficulty multiplier doesn't actually bring the lvl1 attack power up to lvl3 during RotT. A lvl1 SoD square attack doing 1.5 dmg rises up to 4.5 (1.5*3 = 4.5), which is still below the lvl3 value of 6dmg. I showed that it takes 4.44 square hits at 4.5 dmg each to kill a 20HP Rhodes Soldier (20/4.5 = 4.44). Therefore 5 hits. If RotT brought the attack power up to lvl3 then it would be 20HP/6dmg = 3.33 hits, meaning 4 hits. This again is not true because i demonstrated that it takes 5 hits.

One thing I just realised that I'm using 50% attack power as the multiplier for Titan. You mention in your tactics/tips thread in the collision damage section that Kratos has 50% attack on Titan. I just had a browse around and in one of the FAQs, it says that the attack power is at 75%. Here's the link, it's in the "Welcome to Titan Difficulty" section.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/932295/47621

I don't have the guide myself but if this is true, then it kinda screws with the multipliers I'm currently using. This is something that needs to be established. At the moment though, using a 50% multiplier for titan and 50% for lvl3 to lvl1 works fine using the methods I tested and all the numbers match up.

If we want to find out *exactly* the effect of RotT, all this maths is necessary and I'm pretty sure it hasn't deterred you! I too need to prepare a save in which everything is lvl1 if I want to test this further. I still have an older half-finished NUR save i think - I ended up writing over most when doing the speedrun.

A very interesting post there, I can see the evolved thought process as you worked through the post. These multipliers are important for determining weapon upgrades and choices within a speedrun. I have a few more things that I want to clarify though.

[quote="the-creeper"]

However, I've mistake the meaning of the 100-200% numbers, thus a lvl1 weapon is 1/3 the power of lvl3 rather then 1/2.

MistryMan

I'm a little confused by your wording and your results here. Just to clarify, the Rhodes Soldier calculation in my post demonstrates that lvl1 secondary weapons have 1/2 the attack power of lvl 3 - not 1/3. And therefore, on titan mode (50% power) a lvl1 SoD square attack does 1.5 dmg and 4.5 dmg with RotT.

I used these hypothetical numbers in that calculation and it correlated with the results that I found. A 20HP Rhodes Soldier requires 13.33 hits each inflicting 1.5 dmg to kill (20/1.5 = 13.33). Therefore 14 hits - as tested by myself. If lvl1 SoD was 2 dmg (as you posted), then on titan mode it would inflict 1 dmg and take 20 hits to kill the 20HP Rhodes Soldier, which isn't true. Maybe I mis-read your post but I just wanted to clarify that the 200% multiplier in the guide snippets is correct.

You've got to start using damage numbers rather then hits..RotT lvl1 is only available during normal play as I've recently done three runs. One with General Kratos on Spartan w/ lvl1 everything (lvl3 Typhon's Bane for testing), Normal Kratos on Spartan w/ lvl1 everything (lvl3Bow again) and just completed the Spartan Normal Play with only the Bow leveled (lvl3). The findings:

-GK cut the attack (even with RotT) in half. It reduced the total damage possible.

-BP showed proved to me that we get level 2 RotT in Bonus Play and Arena of the Fates...period. Brings attacks up to lvl MAX power.

-The Normal run w/ lvl1 RotT gave me lvl MID power

This would however mean on titan mode, the 50% difficulty multiplier doesn't actually bring the lvl1 attack power up to lvl3 during RotT. A lvl1 SoD square attack doing 1.5 dmg rises up to 4.5 (1.5*3 = 4.5), which is still below the lvl3 value of 6dmg. I showed that it takes 4.44 square hits at 4.5 dmg each to kill a 20HP Rhodes Soldier (20/4.5 = 4.44). Therefore 5 hits. If RotT brought the attack power up to lvl3 then it would be 20HP/6dmg = 3.33 hits, meaning 4 hits. This again is not true because i demonstrated that it takes 5 hits.

One thing I just realised that I'm using 50% attack power as the multiplier for Titan. You mention in your tactics/tips thread in the collision damage section that Kratos has 50% attack on Titan. I just had a browse around and in one of the FAQs, it says that the attack power is at 75%. Here's the link, it's in the "Welcome to Titan Difficulty" section.

Don't bother trusting other sources..I'm using the guide here. The picture I have posted in my thread has Titan at 75%. General Kratos has 50% as his attack power. Attack power is connected to collisions in that if you have 200%, it halves the power of collisions. If you have 50%, it doubles their power. There is nothing to look back on in that subject.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/932295/47621

I don't have the guide myself but if this is true, then it kinda screws with the multipliers I'm currently using. This is something that needs to be established. At the moment though, using a 50% multiplier for titan and 50% for lvl3 to lvl1 works fine using the methods I tested and all the numbers match up.

If we want to find out *exactly* the effect of RotT, all this maths is necessary and I'm pretty sure it hasn't deterred you! I too need to prepare a save in which everything is lvl1 if I want to test this further. I still have an older half-finished NUR save i think - I ended up writing over most when doing the speedrun.

booyakasha: Costumes hold sway over the damage done even in RotT as it effects the total power possible for your weapon. So if the 6 damage limit is raised or lowered depending on the costume...RotT will achieve that limit..Is that simple enough? Also, RotT lvl1 brings the weapon to its MID power (lvl2 for sub-weapons, lvl3 for Blades) while RotT lvl2 brings it to MAX.

You've got to start using damage numbers rather then hits..RotT lvl1 is only available during normal play as I've recently done three runs. One with General Kratos on Spartan w/ lvl1 everything (lvl3 Typhon's Bane for testing), Normal Kratos on Spartan w/ lvl1 everything (lvl3Bow again) and just completed the Spartan Normal Play with only the Bow leveled (lvl3). The findings:

I did use dmg numbers. I'll paste what I posted before (again lol). A 20HP Rhodes Soldier requires 13.33 hits each inflicting 1.5 dmg to kill (20/1.5 = 13.33). What I mean by this is that it will take 14 lvl1 BoO square attacks to kill a Rhodes Soldier if each square attack does 1.5 dmg, and that is true.

Don't bother trusting other sources..I'm using the guide here. The picture I have posted in my thread has Titan at 75%. General Kratos has 50% as his attack power. Attack power is connected to collisions in that if you have 200%, it halves the power of collisions. If you have 50%, it doubles their power. There is nothing to look back on in that subject.

THAT is exactly what I was looking for, thank you!! I have reached a freakish maths coincidence which is what confused me, your testing methods obviously are sound and you are aware of 75% attack power on Titan. I thought attack power was at 50% - with a 50% drop it means that 1/2 power at lvl1 BoO square brings the damage number to the right value of 1.5 dmg:

6 dmg at lvl3 * 0.5 titan multiplier * 0.5 for level drop = 1.5dmg

I know realise this is WRONG. In actual fact, with an attack power of 75%, I'm left with this:

6dmg at lvl3 * 0.75 titan multiplier * 1/3 for level drop = 1.5 dmg

The coincidence? 0.5 * 0.5 = 0.25 ...... 0.75 * 1/3 = 0.25 !

That's whythe numbers were matching up for me! If I now take off the 0.75 titan multiplier:

1.5 / 0.75 = 2 dmg

Which is what you found in your tests. I feel content now, lol. A bit pissed off with the guide for their confusing wording. By 200%, they mean a 200% increase, not a multiplier as they wrote [ base dmg + (base dmg * 2) ] which is the same as a 3* multiplier.

NOW I can discuss your fantastic idea about spirit against Zeus! Which I will do once you reply.

the-creeper

[QUOTE="the-creeper"]

You've got to start using damage numbers rather then hits..RotT lvl1 is only available during normal play as I've recently done three runs. One with General Kratos on Spartan w/ lvl1 everything (lvl3 Typhon's Bane for testing), Normal Kratos on Spartan w/ lvl1 everything (lvl3Bow again) and just completed the Spartan Normal Play with only the Bow leveled (lvl3). The findings:

I did use dmg numbers. I'll paste what I posted before (again lol). A 20HP Rhodes Soldier requires 13.33 hits each inflicting 1.5 dmg to kill (20/1.5 = 13.33). What I mean by this is that it will take 14 lvl1 BoO square attacks to kill a Rhodes Soldier if each square attack does 1.5 dmg, and that is true.

Don't bother trusting other sources..I'm using the guide here. The picture I have posted in my thread has Titan at 75%. General Kratos has 50% as his attack power. Attack power is connected to collisions in that if you have 200%, it halves the power of collisions. If you have 50%, it doubles their power. There is nothing to look back on in that subject.

THAT is exactly what I was looking for, thank you!! I have reached a freakish maths coincidence which is what confused me, your testing methods obviously are sound and you are aware of 75% attack power on Titan. I thought attack power was at 50% - with a 50% drop it means that 1/2 power at lvl1 BoO square brings the damage number to the right value of 1.5 dmg:

6 dmg at lvl3 * 0.5 titan multiplier * 0.5 for level drop = 1.5dmg

I know realise this is WRONG. In actual fact, with an attack power of 75%, I'm left with this:

6dmg at lvl3 * 0.75 titan multiplier * 1/3 for level drop = 1.5 dmg

The coincidence? 0.5 * 0.5 = 0.25 ...... 0.75 * 1/3 = 0.25 !

That's whythe numbers were matching up for me! If I now take off the 0.75 titan multiplier:

1.5 / 0.75 = 2 dmg

Which is what you found in your tests. I feel content now, lol. A bit pissed off with the guide for their confusing wording. By 200%, they mean a 200% increase, not a multiplier as they wrote [ base dmg + (base dmg * 2) ] which is the same as a 3* multiplier.

NOW I can discuss your fantastic idea about spirit against Zeus! Which I will do once you reply.

MistryMan

I'm not terribly happy with the guide's presentation myself. It does well in talking about enemies but their strategies are not sound. They cover everything but weapon damage. Collisions aren't spken of and the alt. OH is some big secret apparently. It isn't nearly comprehensive. I'm no more pleased then you that their guide's poor display has given me a mistaken belief that lvl3 was only double lvl1 *meaning I just divide the power of lvl3 by 2 or times it by 0.5*. I'm curious to see what other ways they are ****ing up. I'm fairly certain some costume stats are wrong. Ex: DO having 500% EXP doesn't appear to be correct. I'll get to testing costumes to the best of my ability in due time. For now I must eat.

~A lvl1 Spirit on Zeus with a RotT burst as the ender starts and turn off just after it hits is like a lvl5 Spirit hitting Zeus in that instant. For the lightning shied, no changes need be made. It doesn't matter what level the Blades are as the 3x square combo won't be made stronger/weaker by the EXP you put into it. Thus it being just as effective in NURs all this time. This of course can be done with other attacks..but is especially awesome for that move.

~A lvl1 Spirit on Zeus with a RotT burst as the ender starts and turn off just after it hits is like a lvl5 Spirit hitting Zeus in that instant. For the lightning shied, no changes need be made. It doesn't matter what level the Blades are as the 3x square combo won't be made stronger/weaker by the EXP you put into it. Thus it being just as effective in NURs all this time. This of course can be done with other attacks..but is especially awesome for that move.

the-creeper

This is extremely useful, the only drawback being that lvl1 spirit requires squarex5 to build up whereas lvl3 provides the quicker square, triangle, triangle.

So you don't have to go back through my previous posts, my upgrading pattern was as follows:

- Upgrade CR to lvl2 just before BK fight.

- Upgrade CR to lvl3 after wave 1 of lowlands endurance

- Upgrade Hammer to lvl2 at entrance to palace of the fates

- Upgrade Hammer to lvl3 just before phoenix fire chamber

- Upgrade Blades of Athena to lvl2 just before Last Spartan fight

- Upgrade Blades of Athena to lvl3 after Endurance Run

Blades of Athena to lvl2 and lvl3 costs 8000 orbs. Maybe I can spend those orbs on bringin Euryale's Head to lvl2. For my next speedrun, I plan to get all gorgon eyes too, for the sake of extra red orbs in chests. This could be enough to have much earlier lvl3 CR and lvl3 Hammer, and possibly lvl3 Euryale's Head. I don't want to start the next speedrun until I get a capture card though, I really want to make videos of this run. If it's good enough, I may try and submit it to speeddemosarchive.com, although I'm not really sure how submitting speedruns works on that website.

[QUOTE="the-creeper"]

~A lvl1 Spirit on Zeus with a RotT burst as the ender starts and turn off just after it hits is like a lvl5 Spirit hitting Zeus in that instant. For the lightning shied, no changes need be made. It doesn't matter what level the Blades are as the 3x square combo won't be made stronger/weaker by the EXP you put into it. Thus it being just as effective in NURs all this time. This of course can be done with other attacks..but is especially awesome for that move.

MistryMan

This is extremely useful, the only drawback being that lvl1 spirit requires squarex5 to build up whereas lvl3 provides the quicker square, triangle, triangle.

I had considered that. Square, triangle, triangle, triangle is the fastest means of getting to "Spirit" in GoWII. In GoW1, it was roll to triangle, triangle, triangle.

So you don't have to go back through my previous posts, my upgrading pattern was as follows:

- Upgrade CR to lvl2 just before BK fight.

- Upgrade CR to lvl3 after wave 1 of lowlands endurance

- Upgrade Hammer to lvl2 at entrance to palace of the fates

- Upgrade Hammer to lvl3 just before phoenix fire chamber

- Upgrade Blades of Athena to lvl2 just before Last Spartan fight

- Upgrade Blades of Athena to lvl3 after Endurance Run

Blades of Athena to lvl2 and lvl3 costs 8000 orbs. Maybe I can spend those orbs on bringin Euryale's Head to lvl2. For my next speedrun, I plan to get all gorgon eyes too, for the sake of extra red orbs in chests. This could be enough to have much earlier lvl3 CR and lvl3 Hammer, and possibly lvl3 Euryale's Head. I don't want to start the next speedrun until I get a capture card though, I really want to make videos of this run. If it's good enough, I may try and submit it to speeddemosarchive.com, although I'm not really sure how submitting speedruns works on that website.

The Gifit of Magicand Gift of Experience are the two BEST chests for Speedruns. There is no faster25MP add-on then grabbing one chest. I don't have muchvision for the long run in Speedruns

NOTE: I crushed the 9 Wraiths (6 respawn) and 9 wraiths (3 respawn) variations. Now I can start testing variations with other monsters.

I had considered that. Square, triangle, triangle, triangle is the fastest means of getting to "Spirit" in GoWII. In GoW1, it was roll to triangle, triangle, triangle.

I still miss R1 to valor in GOW1 just for pure fun.

The Gifit of Magicand Gift of Experience are the two BEST chests for Speedruns. There is no faster25MP add-on then grabbing one chest. I don't have muchvision for the long run in Speedruns

The Gift of Magic is a must for the speedrun, and the Gift of Experience was certainly a good enough reward for the detour.

the-creeper

I may be able to get a capture card tomorrow, meaning I can start the next speedrun and capture it too. Although, it is a bit of a shame that GOW2 doesn't attract more interest in speedruns. It would be nice to have more peers doing it for the sake of discussion and competition. At the moment it's only 3 of us doing the Titan speedruns and you don't even like it LOL. Do you know of anyone doing them outside of TUGOWU?

[QUOTE="the-creeper"]

I had considered that. Square, triangle, triangle, triangle is the fastest means of getting to "Spirit" in GoWII. In GoW1, it was roll to triangle, triangle, triangle.

I still miss R1 to valor in GOW1 just for pure fun.

I liked to name thing where I could..so I simply dubbed that one Hermes' Valor. *very easy logic to follow*

The Gifit of Magicand Gift of Experience are the two BEST chests for Speedruns. There is no faster25MP add-on then grabbing one chest. I don't have muchvision for the long run in Speedruns

The Gift of Magic is a must for the speedrun, and the Gift of Experience was certainly a good enough reward for the detour.

Too bad the Gift of Health is worthless in function...as the need for it would only prove the runner incapable of doing a good run in the first place.

MistryMan

I may be able to get a capture card tomorrow, meaning I can start the next speedrun and capture it too. Although, it is a bit of a shame that GOW2 doesn't attract more interest in speedruns. It would be nice to have more peers doing it for the sake of discussion and competition. At the moment it's only 3 of us doing the Titan speedruns and you don't even like it LOL. Do you know of anyone doing them outside of TUGOWU?

Sounds good. You don't see many speedruns of GoW, DMC or NG. There isn't a big following for it. The elites don't often think about how fast they can beat the game as a whole..I certainly think about how fast I can beat a boss or certain fights but the thrill of a fast platforming/puzzle segement doesn't exist for me. Outside TUGOWU I don't know of anyone with the intention do a Speedrun. Shinobier has been unable to commit. He is still doing his semi-speedrun NUR through Titan.

~I may pick up my run...I just don't like the feeling I have when doing it..not at all.

Speed runs! It's good I found this board.

I've done some speed running myself. I started playing God of War (1) two or three months ago and after I had unlocked everything I decided to personally challenge myself to a time attack (speed run).

I played under New Game/Hero settings and reached the final save in 1:21:41. It wasn't perfect or anything and I probably should have spent more time with it. Additionally, some of the videos linked here had some intriguing and useful strategies I didn't use, such as infinite orbs, "homerunning," and a good Hydra technique (SDA), to name a few. Nevertheless I'm still satisfied with my time overall.

Anyway, interesting board. It does seem somewhat biased towards GoW2 though, which I haven't yet played, but perhaps that's because GoW2 is still new.

I can't say that I'll be playing much God of War in the future, however. I'm quite bored with the game now. :|

Speed runs! It's good I found this board.

Indeed it is. Good to have your interest.

I've done some speed running myself. I started playing God of War (1) two or three months ago and after I had unlocked everything I decided to personally challenge myself to a time attack (speed run).

Sounds good thus far. Out of curiousity, have you ever seen the speedrun done by ballofsnow?02:16:23 to the Olympus save on God Mode. LINK He is one of my great influences in the series. Through him I learned a great deal of tricks and with those I eventaully found quite a few more new ones of my own.

I played under New Game/Hero settings and reached the final save in 1:21:41. It wasn't perfect or anything and I probably should have spent more time with it. Additionally, some of the videos linked here had some intriguing and useful strategies I didn't use, such as infinite orbs, "homerunning," and a good Hydra technique (SDA), to name a few. Nevertheless I'm still satisfied with my time overall.

Not bad. My "Homerun techniques" are sort of news to everyone I talk to about them. *when it is actually almost a 2 year old find now* Another rare trick I found for myself is the "High Jumps". Vortex found a means to skipping the entire Harpy Conveyor Belt fight a little over a year ago. There quite a few tricks one can learn from ballofsnow. I expanded on most of his work in boss fights with ease as they are what I specialize in. Speedruns aren't exactly something I like doing, but I thoroughly enjoy discussions about them and viewing good vids concerning them. I don't have very good quality in my vids but I have it clear enoughthat what I do can be seen/understood.

We have a GoWII Tactics/Tips thread *I had to keep info brief sadly as I have a 20,000 character limit per post* that links to our GoW1 Tactics/Tips thread *I'll be updating that soon* in post 7 if memory serves.

Anyway, interesting board. It does seem somewhat biased towards GoW2 though, which I haven't yet played, but perhaps that's because GoW2 is still new.

It is just due to GoW2 being the more recent of the two. My interest is in both. I always enjoy the throwback to GoW1. The trouble is, few besides me are still into GoW1. You'll notice the feel of this board shifts with the releases. (aside from "Betrayal") CoO will have a small impact on the overall feel of the board. By then I expect "game topics" to be commonplace.

I can't say that I'll be playing much God of War in the future, however. I'm quite bored with the game now. :|

Be sure to contact us when your interest returns. I'll add you to the list of Speedrunners. Welcome to TUGOWU

satvara

Thank you for your kind words and for adding me to your list of speed runners. I appreciate it.

And, yes, I glanced at the "God 2:16" along with the other vids linked here earlier. The only thing that caught my interest was his Hydra strategy. I kind of missed that.

As for GoW2, I think I'll wait a bit before I play it. I always prefer a break between sequels.

Thank you for your kind words and for adding me to your list of speed runners. I appreciate it.

No problem. Any member meeting the qualifications gets added. Announcing intention to do so and making even a bit of progress is enough to be marked as "pending".

And, yes, I glanced at the "God 2:16" along with the other vids linked here earlier. The only thing that caught my interest was his Hydra strategy. I kind of missed that.

What part in particular impressed you? This is myself using my tricks combined with extended versions of his LINK

As for GoW2, I think I'll wait a bit before I play it. I always prefer a break between sequels.

Sounds reasonable. I didn't know you hadn't yet played the sequel. I trust you don't know too much about it then. You'll have to avoid seeing most of my vids then as they are mostly GoWII related. I'm not effected by SPOILERS but most people are. Please do tell us when you decide to play the second.

While we are at it. Have you played any NURs? If yes, what types. If not, you should. If you don't know what they are, refer to "TUGOWU NUR Thread". It will soon be upgraded to its version 2 as it has too many pages right now.

satvara

What part in particular impressed you? This is myself using my tricks combined with extended versions of his LINKthe-creeper

It was how he continued his combo using Poseidon's Rage on the upper Hydra, specifically. His bottom Hydra may have been better as well.

And your vid was even better...

My Hydra was mediocre, imo. My entire ship area was totally rushed, honestly, for it was the beginning of my run and I thought I'd burn myself out early if I lingered on there for too long.

Sounds reasonable. I didn't know you hadn't yet played the sequel. I trust you don't know too much about it then. You'll have to avoid seeing most of my vids then as they are mostly GoWII related. I'm not effected by SPOILERS but most people are. Please do tell us when you decide to play the second.the-creeper

Yeah, I don't like spoilers, especially gameplay. I'll just try to avoid them when possible.

While we are at it. Have you played any NURs? If yes, what types. If not, you should. If you don't know what they are, refer to "TUGOWU NUR Thread". It will soon be upgraded to its version 2 as it has too many pages right now.the-creeper

No. This is the first time I've come into contact with any sort of GoW community so I've only just found out how popular they are. However, I was thinking of attempting one after I had unlocked everything because I had done similar challenges with other games in the past, but I settled for a personal time attack in the end. I've always found them more fulfilling.

[QUOTE="the-creeper"]What part in particular impressed you? This is myself using my tricks combined with extended versions of his LINKsatvara

It was how he continued his combo using Poseidon's Rage on the upper Hydra, specifically. His bottom Hydra may have been better as well.

And your vid was even better...

That's only because I expanded on his method with things I already had going for me. I mess up and let the Hydra slip out of my grasp once during the final stretch, but otherwise I did well. The small heads aren't as easy to get reliable 'perfect runs' with. There is an element of luck...however small.

My Hydra was mediocre, imo. My entire ship area was totally rushed, honestly, for it was the beginning of my run and I thought I'd burn myself out early if I lingered on there for too long.

It helps to do multiple runs. The first runs helps in getting a feel for things. Having another runner's example to work from also helps. *clearly*

Sounds reasonable. I didn't know you hadn't yet played the sequel. I trust you don't know too much about it then. You'll have to avoid seeing most of my vids then as they are mostly GoWII related. I'm not effected by SPOILERS but most people are. Please do tell us when you decide to play the second.the-creeper

Yeah, I don't like spoilers, especially gameplay. I'll just try to avoid them when possible.

Very well then.

While we are at it. Have you played any NURs? If yes, what types. If not, you should. If you don't know what they are, refer to "TUGOWU NUR Thread". It will soon be upgraded to its version 2 as it has too many pages right now.the-creeper

No. This is the first time I've come into contact with any sort of GoW community so I've only just found out how popular they are. However, I was thinking of attempting one after I had unlocked everything because I had done similar challenges with other games in the past, but I settled for a personal time attack in the end. I've always found them more fulfilling.

My feelings are quite the opposite where NURs and Speedruns are concerned. I appreciate both but feel much better during/after a NUR/NUR+. Whenever you feel like it, try it out for yourself. In the NUR thread we discuss the types currently accepted in the thread. *including definitions*

I forgot to ask before. What is your experience with Challenge of the Gods? I'd imagine you have beaten them, but do you feel you've mastered them? I rather enjoyed them.

Speed runs! It's good I found this board.

I've done some speed running myself. I started playing God of War (1) two or three months ago and after I had unlocked everything I decided to personally challenge myself to a time attack (speed run).

I played under New Game/Hero settings and reached the final save in 1:21:41. It wasn't perfect or anything and I probably should have spent more time with it. Additionally, some of the videos linked here had some intriguing and useful strategies I didn't use, such as infinite orbs, "homerunning," and a good Hydra technique (SDA), to name a few. Nevertheless I'm still satisfied with my time overall.

Anyway, interesting board. It does seem somewhat biased towards GoW2 though, which I haven't yet played, but perhaps that's because GoW2 is still new.

I can't say that I'll be playing much God of War in the future, however. I'm quite bored with the game now. :|

satvara

Hey there satvara, welcome to TUGOWU. That's a pretty impressive time, I wouldn't have estimated that GoW1 on Hero could be blitzed through in 1:21. And you say it's not perfect? Maybe some of the techniques you mention could be used to bring a similar run down closer to the hour mark. I've taken quite a liking to speedrunning (as I did to NURs when I first learned of them), and I may even do a GoW1 speedrun sometime soon. As GMG said, if you ever return to God of War, stop by the union again. :)

My feelings are quite the opposite where NURs and Speedruns are concerned. I appreciate both but feel much better during/after a NUR/NUR+. Whenever you feel like it, try it out for yourself. In the NUR thread we discuss the types currently accepted in the thread. *including definitions*the-creeper

I always kind of thought I'd attempt a God mode NUR once I finished my time attack, but now it doesn't look that way. It's still on my mind however, because it does look like a fun challenge.

I forgot to ask before. What is your experience with Challenge of the Gods? I'd imagine you have beaten them, but do you feel you've mastered them? I rather enjoyed them.the-creeper

I only beat it once, really, so I can't say that I've mastered it. Frankly, I didn't find much challenge in it, but I did it after I had already completed God mode so that might have been a contributing factor.

Hey there satvara, welcome to TUGOWU. That's a pretty impressive time, I wouldn't have estimated that GoW1 on Hero could be blitzed through in 1:21. And you say it's not perfect? Maybe some of the techniques you mention could be used to bring a similar run down closer to the hour mark.MistryMan

I doubt that a run close to an hour is possible even with the stuff you guys know, if that is what you meant. You'd need something else to achieve a time like that. I could be wrong, though.

I've taken quite a liking to speedrunning (as I did to NURs when I first learned of them), and I may even do a GoW1 speedrun sometime soon.MistryMan

Go nuts! ;)

[QUOTE="the-creeper"]My feelings are quite the opposite where NURs and Speedruns are concerned. I appreciate both but feel much better during/after a NUR/NUR+. Whenever you feel like it, try it out for yourself. In the NUR thread we discuss the types currently accepted in the thread. *including definitions*satvara

I always kind of thought I'd attempt a God mode NUR once I finished my time attack, but now it doesn't look that way. It's still on my mind however, because it does look like a fun challenge.

It is I assure you.

I forgot to ask before. What is your experience with Challenge of the Gods? I'd imagine you have beaten them, but do you feel you've mastered them? I rather enjoyed them.the-creeper

I only beat it once, really, so I can't say that I've mastered it. Frankly, I didn't find much challenge in it, but I did it after I had already completed God mode so that might have been a contributing factor.

That's why when I masterd Artemis I did it all *aside from CotG3* w/ JUST the Blade of Artemis...to test my might.

Hey there satvara, welcome to TUGOWU. That's a pretty impressive time, I wouldn't have estimated that GoW1 on Hero could be blitzed through in 1:21. And you say it's not perfect? Maybe some of the techniques you mention could be used to bring a similar run down closer to the hour mark.MistryMan

I doubt that a run close to an hour is possible even with the stuff you guys know, if that is what you meant. You'd need something else to achieve a time like that. I could be wrong, though.

Skipping the Harpy Converyor Belt saves at least 3 minutes. High Jumps *all* will save about 2 minutes. "Punt" will save between 1-2 minutes. Using pefect Hydra, Boss Minotaur and Ares/Clones tactics/exploits will bring things down by 3-5 minutes I'd approximate. Did you already use the Double Lever Pull and Sweet Spot for the Boss Minotaur? Abuse of RotG is good for that fight. There is still much that can be done. Reaching 1 hour isn't a good target..1:10 is the lowest I could imagine with perfect play.

I've taken quite a liking to speedrunning (as I did to NURs when I first learned of them), and I may even do a GoW1 speedrun sometime soon.MistryMan

Go nuts! ;)

Quite right.

still waiting for your total time MistryMan. I want to see if your strategy made better time than mine. :DAimForTheHead

hehe, I posted it (page 3 of the thread i think) and GMG updated the list of speedrunners too, you may just have missed it in all the RotT discussion. My final time *after resetting the threads to the great war* was 4:44:15 :). Finished with MAX hammer, MAX Cronos, Lv3 Blades of Athena. I was a red orb whore :O

Also guys, the more you say 1 hour is not possible, the more it makes me want to do it... LOL. I'll happily try and fail and be content that I tried. 1:10 sounds like a reasonable lower limit.

[QUOTE="AimForTheHead"]still waiting for your total time MistryMan. I want to see if your strategy made better time than mine. :DMistryMan

hehe, I posted it (page 3 of the thread i think) and GMG updated the list of speedrunners too, you may just have missed it in all the RotT discussion. My final time *after resetting the threads to the great war* was 4:44:15 :). Finished with MAX hammer, MAX Cronos, Lv3 Blades of Athena. I was a red orb whore :O

LAWL

Also guys, the more you say 1 hour is not possible, the more it makes me want to do it... LOL. I'll happily try and fail and be content that I tried. 1:10 sounds like a reasonable lower limit.

1 hour is the fantasy goal. 1:10 is the more realistic, ultimate low for a final goal. Even with all we know..it seems unlikely. I'll leave it to you. I'd have to imagine you have sufficient knowledge of GoW1 then? Meaning you've seen all of ballofsnow's speedrun, appreciate the Tactics/Tips thread and have heard all the talk of gltiches/exploits. My guess is "Yes". Have at it.

~It's hip to be square

1 hour is the fantasy goal. 1:10 is the more realistic, ultimate low for a final goal. Even with all we know..it seems unlikely. I'll leave it to you. I'd have to imagine you have sufficient knowledge of GoW1 then? Meaning you've seen all of ballofsnow's speedrun, appreciate the Tactics/Tips thread and have heard all the talk of gltiches/exploits. My guess is "Yes". Have at it.

the-creeper

I watched ballofsnow's speedrun on youtube in it's entirity a while ago. I played a lot of GoW1 before - many runs on different difficulties and costumes. GoW1 God Mode with upgrades just feels so perfectly balanced to me. Also the NUR+ as you know, during which I learnt of the majority of exploits that are known about GoW1.

For now though my focus is getting a GoW2 titan speedrun down to a more impressive time. ~5 hours still seems quite a long time for a speedrun. It seems to take roughly an hour (based on AFTH's two runs and my own) just to get to Theseus. On that subject, Theseus will be a major point of improvement for my next GoW2 speedrun. You mentioned somewhere that you think it can be done in ~6minutes with your method of harpoons and bursts of rage.

AimForTheHead, do you have any plans to do a new speedrun? I'm gonna record my next one, maybe you should too :D LETS HAEV A RACE LOL

Also guys, the more you say 1 hour is not possible, the more it makes me want to do it... LOL. I'll happily try and fail and be content that I tried. 1:10 sounds like a reasonable lower limit.MistryMan

1 hour is the fantasy goal. 1:10 is the more realistic, ultimate low for a final goal.the-creeper

I think it's time I laid my cards out on the table.

I can't help but laugh at the fact that you guys are making time estimates based on a time that you know nothing about. A 1:21 is impossible and both of you really have no idea how impossible it is. You could try and try, and you would never come close... at least with what you know. With what I know, however, it is very possible and could be even faster. Don't worry, though, for I am here to help and have come to pass on what I have learned.

As for my 1:21, it's total abuse. My goal was to beat the game in the fastest time I could, no exceptions. Whatever I found that allowed me to go faster, I used it, even if it meant playing outside the parameters of the game.

So, now with that said... want to see it?

[QUOTE="MistryMan"]Also guys, the more you say 1 hour is not possible, the more it makes me want to do it... LOL. I'll happily try and fail and be content that I tried. 1:10 sounds like a reasonable lower limit.satvara

1 hour is the fantasy goal. 1:10 is the more realistic, ultimate low for a final goal.the-creeper

I think it's time I laid my cards out on the table.

I can't help but laugh at the fact that you guys are making time estimates based on a time that you know nothing about. A 1:21 is impossible and both of you really have no idea how impossible it is. You could try and try, and you would never come close... at least with what you know. With what I know, however, it is very possible and could be even faster. Don't worry, though, for I am here to help and have come to pass on what I have learned.

As for my 1:21, it's total abuse. My goal was to beat the game in the fastest time I could, no exceptions. Whatever I found that allowed me to go faster, I used it, even if it meant playing outside the parameters of the game.

So, now with that said... want to see it?

ballofsnow's GoW1 God Mode speedrun at 2:16 (without a number of other newly-discovered exploits) made a 1:21 Hero speedrun sound plausible to me even though I have never tried one myself. You initially gave us no reason to believe it was impossible. Please share what you know that allowed you to make an impossible 1:21 speedrun possible :).

[QUOTE="MistryMan"]Also guys, the more you say 1 hour is not possible, the more it makes me want to do it... LOL. I'll happily try and fail and be content that I tried. 1:10 sounds like a reasonable lower limit.satvara

1 hour is the fantasy goal. 1:10 is the more realistic, ultimate low for a final goal.the-creeper

I think it's time I laid my cards out on the table.

Should have just done what I inteded in my last post, which was to mention how perfectly ballofsnow did God Mode. It doesn't matter how good you are, you aren't doing much better even on Hero. I try not to immediately shoot down newcomers anymore as I often would if they made such claims. I even let you by without asking for proof and the like which is unlike me. You got lucky.

I can't help but laugh at the fact that you guys are making time estimates based on a time that you know nothing about. A 1:21 is impossible and both of you really have no idea how impossible it is. You could try and try, and you would never come close... at least with what you know. With what I know, however, it is very possible and could be even faster. Don't worry, though, for I am here to help and have come to pass on what I have learned.

You don't know nearly enough to assist us. Lay them on the table and learn at better taste.

As for my 1:21, it's total abuse. My goal was to beat the game in the fastest time I could, no exceptions. Whatever I found that allowed me to go faster, I used it, even if it meant playing outside the parameters of the game.

Show us what you can do. If you are truely in possession of knowledge superior to our own..I will be the judge of that. My guard is no longer down.

So, now with that said... want to see it?

Quit stalling and get to it. GodModeGOD persona reactivated.

Should have just done what I inteded in my last post, which was to mention how perfectly ballofsnow did God Mode. It doesn't matter how good you are, you aren't doing much better even on Hero. I try not to immediately shoot down newcomers anymore as I often would if they made such claims. I even let you by without asking for proof and the like which is unlike me.the-creeper

Is it? You really should have because your "not bad" comment almost made me think you were an idiot. I was seriously contemplating never coming back here, and perhaps going somewhere else. But I think I'll be sticking around now.

And get that SDA run out of your head. You won't be needing it anymore.

You don't know nearly enough to assist us. Lay them on the table and learn at better taste.the-creeper

Oh, yes I do. Don't forget, however, that I'm here to give back and it's only because I admire what you're trying to build here. If you so will it, we'll move forward together. If not, so be it.

Show us what you can do. If you are truely in possession of knowledge superior to our own..I will be the judge of that. My guard is no longer down.the-creeper

I can't say it's superior.

Quit stalling and get to it.the-creeper

Well, it could take some time. I have to encode and upload 2 hours and 20 minutes of footage (time + cut scenes). But I'll go as fast as I can when I have the opportunity.

Maybe I'll have the ship area ready tomorrow, although that's clearly the worst part of my run. It was only until I reached Athens that I found my motivation.

GodModeGOD persona reactivated.the-creeper

It's good to finally meet you, GodModeGOD.

ballofsnow's GoW1 God Mode speedrun at 2:16 (without a number of other newly-discovered exploits) made a 1:21 Hero speedrun sound plausible to me even though I have never tried one myself. You initially gave us no reason to believe it was impossible. Please share what you know that allowed you to make an impossible 1:21 speedrun possible MistryMan

Of course. That's why I'm here.

[QUOTE="the-creeper"]Should have just done what I inteded in my last post, which was to mention how perfectly ballofsnow did God Mode. It doesn't matter how good you are, you aren't doing much better even on Hero. I try not to immediately shoot down newcomers anymore as I often would if they made such claims. I even let you by without asking for proof and the like which is unlike me.satvara

Is it? You really should have because your "not bad" comment almost made me think you were an idiot. I was seriously contemplating never coming back here, and perhaps going somewhere else. But I think I'll be sticking around now.

Get to the point.

And get that SDA run out of your head. You won't be needing it anymore.

We'll see soon enough..

You don't know nearly enough to assist us. Lay them on the table and learn at better taste.the-creeper

Oh, yes I do. Don't forget, however, that I'm here to give back and it's only because I admire what you're trying to build here. If you so will it, we'll move forward together. If not, so be it.

Enough talk.

Show us what you can do. If you are truely in possession of knowledge superior to our own..I will be the judge of that. My guard is no longer down.the-creeper

I can't say it's superior.

Then it doesn't deserve so much build up. If it was superior then it could do what you claim..to make us 'forget'ballofsnow's work.That is a boast you can't live up to. Impress us..perhaps..but you've already damned yourself.

Quit stalling and get to it.the-creeper

Well, it could take some time. I have to encode and upload 2 hours and 20 minutes of footage (time + cut scenes). But I'll go as fast as I can when I have the opportunity.

I don't see why it would be so difficult to just cover the improvements with text but if you are so sure it matters..then by all means upload it all.

Maybe I'll have the ship area ready tomorrow, although that's clearly the worst part of my run. It was only until I reached Athens that I found my motivation.

Until then.

GodModeGOD persona reactivated.the-creeper

It's good to finally meet you, GodModeGOD.

You don't know what that persona means..it is only natural. You must think it is some sort of 'GoW Elite' mindset..no..that isn't it at all..GMG is something from my less then friendly past. It can't entirely resurface here sadly..thus the overly forgiving nature of my current state. Good Faith took a lot of time for me to incorporate as I'm naturally distrusting/hateful.

ballofsnow's GoW1 God Mode speedrun at 2:16 (without a number of other newly-discovered exploits) made a 1:21 Hero speedrun sound plausible to me even though I have never tried one myself. You initially gave us no reason to believe it was impossible. Please share what you know that allowed you to make an impossible 1:21 speedrun possible MistryMan

Of course. That's why I'm here.

Humor us with some insight why don't you? If you couldn't match ballofsnow in the Hydra segment. Then where do you excell? Platforming/Puzzle exploitation? Let us discuss your own methods of handling the Boss Minotaur *easy as he is* first. To even begin to give your account credit once more prior a truely impressive video demonstration you'll need to start with sound tactics and exploits. You won't soon have it up so now is a wonderfully convenient time to start talking about something more interesting..this hubris about you since your "reveal" has become irritating. I too possess this but I've long since shown that I've earned the right to talk so large..to possess so much pride..

Either this guy is a god or a lame troll >_>. Seriously, I don't think 1:22 is possible at all. And his condescending tone is ridiculous.booyakasha128

For future reference, it is those thoughts that are kept as suspicions left to explore but not show/post. It gives away too much of what you are thinking, acting on. I can assure you that someone who can't at least match ballofsnow's Hydra performance is no god amongst us. I had no doubts about that much. What I wanted to see is where he stood and what he knew if anything. Thus myself looking to put pressure on this clearly new account with no personal information..if he had scouted us out he wouldn't bother testing us further. I'm the type who loves to play with other trolls but I have to be sure or I'm not allowed to make that call. (or the resulting action)

~In the GoWII boards we can call anyone a troll..here there are active authority figures (myself in this case) that have to be careful in their approach. Normally I'd ask a new member to tell MOAR about themself in the proper thread and/or tell us what they have done..then what they do that makes them think they're worthy of note..as one must be to use such an attitude without being called on it. My disposition was similiar with the exception that I had things to share and I didn't waste any time doing so. It was clear quickly that he was stalling. I'm suppossed to at least appear like I excercise Good Faith. I've done it for so long now that I let my guard down enough that he wasn't called on a barely over an hour claim. Neither I nor MistryMan work out of Normal difficulty often so we didn't think too much as to what the limit would be. We operate almost entirely out of Very Hard (God/Titan respectively)

---Now..satvara is well aware of my thoughts on the matter. Let us see if the next post contains anything worthwhile. The only logical moves a troll canpull here on in now are:

-not appear

-stall by posting, but not anything worthwhile

-claim that vids are coming, but say he'd rather not give anything away

-post links to something other then the desired vids *as I used to use Last Measure*

-Make up an excuse why the vids can't be made/made yet and vaguely cover what he does *which can't be done*

-Make crap up *promise vids are coming but they won't be*

~An attention troll would already have what they want..recognition which I wasn't yet giving *as I kept my thoughts to myself*

---Now, if the user somehow wasn't a troll, it is we who have said we believe him so that are the fools for even posting the thoughts. Now we wait.

NOTE: Satvara, saying thing like, "I'm not a troll"is meaningless if you hadn't picked up on that. I trust you are intelligent enough to have gathered this fact by now..the only things that need saying at this point involve GoW and/or yourself. I'm currenlty uninterested in your personal information at the moment. God of War knowledgeis all that will clear you.

I finished my first god mode run in god of war2, my time was 7 hours 36 minutescoolgamer6

Not bad for a first time god mode non-NUR, non-Speedrun. You'll be learning quite a bit soon though. It is time for Titan Mode. Perhaps there are some NURs..maybe even Speedruns in your future..we'll see in due time.

[QUOTE="coolgamer6"]I finished my first god mode run in god of war2, my time was 7 hours 36 minutesthe-creeper

Not bad for a first time god mode non-NUR, non-Speedrun. You'll be learning quite a bit soon though. It is time for Titan Mode. Perhaps there are some NURs..maybe even Speedruns in your future..we'll see in due time.

[QUOTE="the-creeper"]

[QUOTE="coolgamer6"]I finished my first god mode run in god of war2, my time was 7 hours 36 minutescoolgamer6

Not bad for a first time god mode non-NUR, non-Speedrun. You'll be learning quite a bit soon though. It is time for Titan Mode. Perhaps there are some NURs..maybe even Speedruns in your future..we'll see in due time.

Until then.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/95630.html That's PART 1 (Start-Athens). I think gametrailers.com sucks, btw. As I have already said, I slacked off here and it's consequently mediocre. There is one good thing about it, however... just don't blink at the upper hydra. Part 2 is coming up later today if all goes well. And I assure you that's when the real fun begins. Oh, if the video has a problem or anything please tell me ASAP.satvara

The upper Hydra was a good performance but not perfect..though that is perhaps because Normal just looks less..familiar to me. I'm too used to God Mode to appreciate the videos yet as the monsters will without a doubt be doing a lot of nothing throughout this run. *giving lots of time to do things that would be difficult in God* If you didn't know of some of the other tricks such as skipping the Harpy Converyor Belt, High Jumps and "Punt"..one can't help but make a guess as to what allowed you such a time. Normal alone wouldn't cut the time down. There had to be some very large section skip involved as well as I can figure it...with the performance *however poor compared to the player's better times* and the SDA run (on God Mode) considered. If I had to guess you might have also made the decision to not upgrade health..which I haven't seen in a Speedrun yet as many like to have the extra health for sacrificing at the Clone War. With the MAX bar having 200HP..having less then 175HP might comprimise the fastest means of defeating the clones. Same goes for magic. So you may be able to do what ballofsnow was unsure of. (skipping the Health/Magic/EXP bonus given for the 2 Muse Keys)

~It will be interesting to see what you do no matter the case from here on in..you said yourself that your Aegean/Hydra segement was less then spectacular. So I eagerly await some footage you are proud of. I'll be sure to keep you informed about any errors in the videos. GT seems notorious for these sort of things. My first upload there took 4 times longer then they said it would and when it finished only 1/2 of the video played. Some of my vids won't upload there the first time I try. GameSpot is much easier. YouTube is my preferred place though.

If you didn't know of some of the other tricks such as skipping the Harpy Converyor Belt, High Jumps and "Punt"..one can't help but make a guess as to what allowed you such a time. Normal alone wouldn't cut the time down.the-creeper

Additionally, some of the videos linked here had some intriguing and useful strategies I didn't use, such as infinite orbs, "homerunning," and a good Hydra technique (SDA)satvara

[QUOTE="the-creeper"]If you didn't know of some of the other tricks such as skipping the Harpy Converyor Belt, High Jumps and "Punt"..one can't help but make a guess as to what allowed you such a time. Normal alone wouldn't cut the time down.satvara

By using "to name a few" you imply that there was more that you didn't list..this sort of revokes the right to use "..." in that manner for this instance.

Additionally, some of the videos linked here had some intriguing and useful strategies I didn't use, such as infinite orbs, "homerunning," and a good Hydra technique (SDA)satvara

Needless to say, it remains to be seen. Only massive section skipping glitches will truely "wow" me at this point. You are setting yourself up for a high you can't meet if you dont' have something of that calibur. NOTHING else will fit the bill.the-creeper

[QUOTE="the-creeper"]By using "to name a few" you imply that there was more that you didn't list..this sort of revokes the right to use "..." in that manner for this instance. If that is true then using the quoted line was inaccurate to what you were trying to express.satvara

Needless to say, it remains to be seen. Only massive section skipping glitches will truely "wow" me at this point. You are setting yourself up for a high you can't meet if you dont' have something of that calibur. NOTHING else will fit the bill.the-creeper

NOTE: GameTrailers is pissing me off. It claims a video is uploaded into the system when it is clearly not.

satvara: I watched the video, good start to the run. I'm extremely curious as to what I'm gonna see in the upcoming parts.

AimForTheHead: Do you plan to record your next run? It will be nice to see both runs side by side using different strategies.

satvara: I watched the video, good start to the run. I'm extremely curious as to what I'm gonna see in the upcoming parts.

AimForTheHead: Do you plan to record your next run? It will be nice to see both runs side by side using different strategies.

MistryMan

I concur on both accounts

~It doesn't appear we'll be getting vid 2 today..

[QUOTE="MistryMan"]

satvara: I watched the video, good start to the run. I'm extremely curious as to what I'm gonna see in the upcoming parts.

AimForTheHead: Do you plan to record your next run? It will be nice to see both runs side by side using different strategies.

the-creeper

I concur on both accounts

~It doesn't appear we'll be getting vid 2 today..

Good news, I got myself a capture card now. Tried it out earlier and the quality is alright. I may make a test vid before I sleep and upload it tomorrow. I can pick up my old NUR save at the translator (from before the speedrun). Maybe do it with just spear for lollerskates

[QUOTE="the-creeper"][QUOTE="MistryMan"]

satvara: I watched the video, good start to the run. I'm extremely curious as to what I'm gonna see in the upcoming parts.

AimForTheHead: Do you plan to record your next run? It will be nice to see both runs side by side using different strategies.

MistryMan

I concur on both accounts

~It doesn't appear we'll be getting vid 2 today..

Good news, I got myself a capture card now. Tried it out earlier and the quality is alright. I may make a test vid before I sleep and upload it tomorrow. I can pick up my old NUR save at the translator (from before the speedrun). Maybe do it with just spear for lollerskates

O RLY? Sounds promising.

I still have 5 days here in San Diego. I'll record my run when I get home in Chicago.AimForTheHead

Alright then.

~I can't help but notice the disappearance of our newest member..GT troubles?

As for my 1:21, it's total abuse. My goal was to beat the game in the fastest time I could, no exceptions. Whatever I found that allowed me to go faster, I used it, even if it meant playing outside the parameters of the game.satvara

I'm about halfway through part 2, this is brilliant! I'll be back to comment more after I've finished watching it.

EDIT: watched it all the way, you were right, it is total abuse. The extreme room skip at medusa has left with you with unlimited magic for medusa's gaze? That is insane. Any reason why you didn't do this run on god mode?

Any reason why you didn't do this run on god mode? MistryMan