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>too slow
I suppose this cannot be helped. I'll just have to try and do without it in my calculations.
>casual speed
Such is the way of a truly fair play speedrun without any 'major' work beyond 'skip what you can', clear things fast, etc.
>back on Monday
I'll be working on CoO Tactics/Tips next among the projects lined up.
Ignore all the messages I've sent you on psn. They are merely a reference for me to keep track of my times for GoW II.
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 **NOTE** When I say skip, it means I skipped the fighting unless otherwise noted.
[spoiler] Rhodes Temple:Antechamber
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Rhodes Temple:Hall
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-pass through
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Colossus 1
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-Spirit, PR
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Rhodes' Bathhouse
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-Nothing to note
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Colossus 2
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-Spirit(grapple)minigame, repeat
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Rhodes Palace:Hallways
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-Spirit
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-Skip
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-Go up the elevator and slap the Colossus in the eye
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Rhodes Palace:Western Ramparts
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-PR the archers
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Rhodes Palace:Easter Ramparts
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-Spirit
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Colossus 3
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Stage 1 -Stand by sword. Jump t,t drain powers.Â
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Stage 2 -repeatÂ
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Stage 3 - repeat
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Stage 4 - smack Colossus with his own fist
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Inside the Colossus
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(Shaft 1) Break it and navigate ahead
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(Shaft 2) Break it and navigate ahead
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-(Shaft 3) Break it
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-(Shaft 4) Break it and escape
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Zeus
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-Get killed
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Hades
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-grab hands, escape
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Pegasus 1
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-t (no collisions)
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-follow in vortex, get knocked down.
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Mount Etna:Hand Cavern
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-hit finger, navigate
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Mount Etna:Hand Cavern:Walls
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-skip fights, navigate
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Mount Etna:Hand Cavern:Hallway A
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-skip
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Mount Etna:Moutainside A
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-break scaffold, navigate
-cross chain
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Mount Etna:Fires of Olympus
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-get Prometheus down
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Mount Etna:Mountainside B
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-skip
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-skip
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Mount Etna:Typhon's Cavern
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-Spirit on gorgons, grap harpies
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-navigate up, then back to set up infinite magic glitch. Continue on, get bow, do trial, grapple back.
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Mount Etna:Fires of Olympus
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-Shoot down Prometheus
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-get RotT, complete trial
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Mount Etna:Mountainside A
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-RotT the door
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Mount Etna:Hand Cavern:Hallway B
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-skip
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Mount Etna:Hand Cavern:Hallway A
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-skip
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Mount Etna:Hand Cavern:Wall
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-skip
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Mount Etna:Hand Cavern
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-Free Pegasus
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Pegasus 2
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-grab harpies, t (no darn collision)
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-(Dark Rider)Â
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PATTERN: L, D, R, U, L
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Temple of Lahkesis:Cliff 2
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-navigate, skipÂ
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Temple of Lahkesis:Hanging Garden
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-navigate, skip
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Temple of Lahkesis:Cerberus Courtyard
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-RotT, hold t, repeat(didn't grab at "O")
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-(Ceiling)Â
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-(Platform/Ledge/Chest Garden)Â
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Temple of Lahkesis:Siren Sacrifice
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-skip entire fight (will provide video if needed)
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Theseus
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S11/S12 -Bow, SpiritÂ
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S21 -Bow to "O"
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S22 - skipped
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M1 - skipped
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Steeds of Time:Saddle 3:Interior:CR Trial
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Steeds of Time:Bridle Puzzle
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-Do it
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Steeds of Time:Saddle 3:Exterior
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-s,t, OH toss at "O"
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-Spirit minotaurs
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Temple of Lahkesisivine Pools
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- skip bugs
-navigate to the Amulet
-do the puzzle and press on (head through the window)
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Temple of Lahkesis:Amulet Chamber
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-Escape
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Temple of Lahkesis:Courtyard
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-freeze time, break head, skip fight
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Destiny's Atrium
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Bog of the Forgotten
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Barbarian King
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S3 -RotT, SpiritÂ
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S4 - repeat S3
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Bog of the Forgotten to the Bog
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-skip boars
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Bog of the Forgotten:Temple of Euryale
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-Get Euryale's Key
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-navigate, skip
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-skip, open door
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Ruins of the Forgotten
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Ruins of the Forgotten:Hallway
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-skip, grapple
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Ruins of the Forgotten:Forgotten Chamber
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-grab kills
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River of the Forgotten
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-grab toss, navigate
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Titan Minotaur 1
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-RotT, BH
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River of the Forgotten:Euryale's Guantlet
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-(Gears) Use Amulet and cross.
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Ruins of the Forgotten
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-Do the puzzle, navigate ahead
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Cave of the Forgotten
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-Proceed with the corspe
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Cave of the Forgotten:Coliseum
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Cerberus Bastard
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Stage 1 - BH, t,t L1
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Stage 2 - RotT, BH, t,t,t(repeat) "O"
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Cave of the Forgotten
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-skip
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Bog of the Forgotten:Temple of Euryale
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-Destroy the Gorgon Door
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Euryale's Temple:Antechamber
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-skip
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Euryale's Temple:Underground Chamber
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-RotT, BH
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Euryale's Temple:Elevator Puzzle
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-do puzzle, skip flying creatures(forget their names)
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Euryale's Temple:Lowland Vista
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-skip
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Euryale's Temple:Temple Hazards
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Euryale's Chamber
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Euryale
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Stage 2 - BH, t,t "O", repeat
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Stage 3 -RotT, BH, t,t,t "O"
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Euryale's Chamber:EH Trial
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-Petrify and crush 5 Sentries
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 [spoiler] Euryale's Templeillar Puzzle **Activate Swimming Glitch**(findlestick new video shows this glitch)
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Euryale's Temple:Stone Crusher
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-swim/skip
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Euryale's Temple:Cavern
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Titan Minotaur 2
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-swim/skip
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Catacombs of the Fallen
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Destiny's Atrium
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Island of Creation:Walkway
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Courtyard of Atropos
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Lowlands:Exterior Hallway
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-dip in water to end swimming.
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Lowlands:SoD Trial
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Lowlands:Bridge
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-Get across
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Lowlands:Crossing
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-Cross it
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Lowlands:Caves
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-(Fight 1) High jump skip over barrier
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-(Fight 2) repeat
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Great Chasm
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Icarus
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Atlas:Face
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Atlas Innards:Spine Chamber
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Atlas Innards:Battle Arena
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Titan Minotaur 3 High jump onto ledge skipping entire fight.
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Atlas Innardsuzzle Room
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Atlas Innards:Hades Nymph Hive Chamber
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-high jump to ledge skipping area
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Atlas Innards:Climbing Section
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-skip, navigate
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Atlas Innards puzzle Room
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Atlas:Hanging Platforms
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-(Atlas Lift)RotT+AQ
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Atlas' Arm:Wall A
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Atlas' Arm:Rock Puzzle
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-high jump to ledge.
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Atlas' Arm:Wall B
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Atlas' Arm:Hand
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The Great Chasm
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Palace of the Fatesalace Courtyard A
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-(Entrance) AQ to stop call for Cyclops, grab kills
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Palace of the Fates:Spiked Floor Chamber
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-(Spike Room) grab kill nymphs
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Palace of the Fates Palace Courtyard B
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-jump to upper chamber(skipping cutscene), high jump to skip fire puzzle
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East Auditorium:Hallway A
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East Auditorium:Hallway B
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-PR, early door open
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Auditorium of Lahkesis
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-(Wave 3) AQ, BH
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*i JUST PICKED UP THE tRANSLATOR AND WALKED TO THE AUDITORIUM SKIPPING WAVES 1 & 2.
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West Auditorium:Spiked Wall Hallway
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West Auditorium:Garden of the Gods
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-shoot wall and activate Athena at same time
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West Auditorium:Sacrificial Chamber
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-BH, pull lever, repeat
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West Auditorium:Blood Tunnel Chamber
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West Auditorium:Iced Phoenix Puzzle
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West Auditorium:Nymph Nest Chamber
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-BH, t,t climb up s,t,t on both, do puzzle
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West Auditoriumantheon of Atropos
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-high jump over barrier
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West Auditorium:Fate Statue Puzzle
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Auditorium of Atropos
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-Get Warrior Skull, open door
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West Auditorium:Thermal Lift Puzzle
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Palace of the Fates:Courtyard B
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The Undeground:Bone Crusher
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The Underground:Lava Chamber A:Hallway A
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The Underground:Lava Chamber A:Hallway B
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The Underground:Lava Chamber A:Hallway C
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The Underground:Lava Chamber B
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Phoenix Chamberlatform A
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Phoenix Chamber:Circular Stairwell
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Phoenix Chamber:Exit Chamber
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Palace of the Fates Palace Courtyard B
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Palace of the Fates:Upper Palace A:Elevator Puzzle
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-pull lever first, high jump to ceiling, drop door, push pedestal into room, high jump to door, knock down gate/door, skip over cage to Last Spartan.
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Palace of the Fates:Upper Palace Balace Window
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Last Spartan
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Palace of the Fatesalace Courtyard B
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-"Come down here and face me now, Zeus!"
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Stage 1 - BH, t place Spartan on vent, fly up attack
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Knob 1 - t,t,t "O"
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Stage 2 - Bow Shots
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Knob 2 - RotT, t,t "O"
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Stage 3 - BH, t,t R1 on lever
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Palace of the Fates Phoenix Platform
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-Tame the beast and ride
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Spire:Temple of the Fates:
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Temple of the Fates:Throne of Lahkesis
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Lahkesis
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S12 - repeat
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Stage 2 - jump from grapple, t,t grapple *repeat*
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Athens:Sword Bridge
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Atropos
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Temple of the Fates:Throne of Lahkesis
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Sisters of Fate
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Mirror 1 - MotK
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S12 - *repeat S1*
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Mirror 2 - MotK
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Stage 2 - RotT, BH t,t "O"
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Inner Sanctum:Hallway A*save* **forgot time, it's like just over 3 hours** [/spoiler]
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[spoiler] Inner Sanctum:Hallway A
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Inner Sanctum:Circular Chamber
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Inner Sanctum:Hallway B
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Inner Sanctum:Endurance Run
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Wave 1 - High jump+MotK over barrier
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Wave 2 - AQ
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Wave 3 - same as W1
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Wave 4 - AQ
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Wave 5 - same as W1&W3
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Wave 6 - AQ
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Wave 7 - RotT, AQ, BH
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Clotho
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Loom Chamber:Floor 1
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Loom Chamber:Floor 2
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Loom Chamber:Floor 3
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Loom Chamber:Floor 3:Hallway
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Loom Chamber:Floor 4
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Loom Chamber:Floor 3:Strands of Time
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Summit of Sacrifice
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Zeus
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Stage 2 - stun lock L1+t
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Stage 3 - AQ, Spirit
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Stage 5 - RotT AQ
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The Loom Chamber
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Final Save 4 hrs 07 min
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Up next Easy BP. Same skips as before, but a ton more skips thanks to High Jump from the start with BP.
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BP Done 2 hrs 54 min.
Skips used included Skipping getting Typhons bane(straight to RotT trial after first meeting with Prometheus?), skipped Theseus, skipped the fight with Euryale, did swimming glitch, took same route as previous run, but this time I swam all the way to Great Chasm. Skipped TM3, skipped Nymph hive nest. All the remaining skips from previous run were also implemented. Zeus died much faster due to everything being fully upgraded.
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Almost done with VH NP, then VH BP. Followed by DO BP early swimming glitch.
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Okay. VH NP is 3 hrs 55 minute. VH BP is 2 hours 40 min. The only way I figure this is possible is due to collision being so overpowered on VH it makes it quicker.
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Now time for ALL out swimming glitch BP Easy Speed Run. May not use DO, not sure the damage values.Â
>ignore PMs
Easily done when I'm not online most of the time. I only got on while my nephew wanted to play some demos (because I don't really have games for his age demographic).
>all that space between paragraphs
I assume GS did that, not you.
>finish today
Suits me. I've been tied up all day. It won't change tomorrow or even Sunday. Monday should be the return to business as usual.
>final time 04:07:00
And that was for Easy NG? I forget the conditions. Some major skips/glitches? So this wouldn't be fair play, I take it.
>Easy NG+
Taking it to another extreme as such. 02:54:00. I see.
>VH NG
With or without major exploits, skips, glitches, etc.?
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>VH NG+
Same question.
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>DO antics
So I'd gleamed. Strong hits, strong collisions, etc.
>VH NG
03:55:00. Again, what was allowed for this?
>VH NG+
02:40:00. I see.
>all out
>not sure
GoWII Tactics/Tips thread should have costume values in it.
All skips used are listed in the skeleton.Â
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Easy BP using just Kratos Skin and swimming glitch from Divine Pools. Final time was 2 hours 03 min. Â
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I just couldn't stick to a strict no skip speedrun on GoW II. But the  skips I used can all be done on NP by even the most casual players.Â
The major exploit used was the swimming. It shaved off roughly 15 minutes of gameplay. So add that in and you'll have your correct time.
At most add 20 minutes to easy and 30to VH. It would adjust to the right time.
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