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So it basically just comes down to style over substance with you.

dvader654

It comes down to fun over balance or "substance" or whatever claim it is you want to make that "proves" VF is the best 3D fighter in existence.

I am for the pure, visceral thrill and overall fun that a fighting game can provide. Not how balanced it is or how long the moves list is. End of story. And right now, VF does not do that for me on the same level as other 3D fighters have been able to. Not a bad game by any standards, and no arguing against it's supposed substance, but a bit dull in comparison to some of the other options.

Right there you give some reasons why you perfer DoA over VF5, thats cool thats your opinion, but what is with the whole bashing of anyone that thinks VF5 is better. You really believe that anyone that likes VF5 more is just a blind fanboy or something, maybe they like fighting games for a different reason than you, maybe they are looking for a deeper fighting system rather than visceral thrill. You are entitiled to your opinion but your constant attacks at the VF fans are disturbing.

So it basically just comes down to style over substance with you.

DarkCatalyst

It comes down to fun over balance or "substance" or whatever claim it is you want to make that "proves" VF is the best 3D fighter in existence.

I am for the pure, visceral thrill and overall fun that a fighting game can provide. Not how balanced it is or how long the moves list is. End of story. And right now, VF does not do that for me on the same level as other 3D fighters have been able to. Not a bad game by any standards, and no arguing against it's supposed substance, but a bit dull in comparison to some of the other options.

Say man, you took your stab at VF and its fans ("insecurities") and Grammaton responded quite diplomatically. If you can't involve yourself in this conversation without starting a pissing match, then you need to leave it.ShenlongBo

Oh wait, you are a supporter of this "VF is hands down the best 3d fighting game in existence" bullcrap. So I really should'nt expect you to.

Firstly, I'm curious as to what insecurities you're referring to since I own and play Tekken and DOA. Do you even understand the proper, clinical application of that psychobabble you are throwing around? Seriously, stay on target and keep the pitiful, personal nonsense out of the debate. Consider that my pretty please for civility.

I stand by my assessment of VF as the definitive 3D fighter. If you want to get academic and analytical about the issuethat's finebut frankly, it's a lost cause on your end. VF is the gold standard whether it's your personal favorite or not and when you consider that it is the very franchise that essentially invented 3D fighting, it kinda makes sense.

And seriously, quit using the word sterile as an adjective because quite frankly you are using it wrong. What you are describingin regards toDOA is more an issue of aesthetic choices, game play dynamics and visceral qualities. While it's true that VF and DOA employ very different visual styles and game play dynamics, calling one sterile in contrast to the other is nonsensical.

Grammaton-Cleric

The statement bolded above is truly ironic and nonsensical in itself. If I think the aesthetic choices (creativity), gameplay dynamics (imagination), and visceral qualities (vitality), are sterile in comparison to DOA, then how exactly is the use of the word "nonsensical"? It fits perfectly.

If you don't like my opinion on the matter, then so be it, but don't sit there and tell me what should be my king of 3D fighters.

I think it'll be Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, COD4, and SMG on the list, with Halo 3 taking it overall.

Although Mass Effect is completely up in the air for me right now. If it pulls a KOTOR, it might not only be the best of the year, but the best of the entire generation.

How can you even have doubt. Its GS Halo 3 wins everything :P.FlaminDeath

[QUOTE="AlwaysSoft"][QUOTE="HiResDes"][QUOTE="AlwaysSoft"]

[QUOTE="ArmedWolf001"]I played the demo, it was not my cup of tea. Yeah, the graphics are pretty good, but the voice acting was hilariously bad, the sound effects were terrible and the gameplay felt lacking (or mabye I just didn't know how to pull of the sick combos). I'll pass for now though, unless I change my mind for whatever reason in the future.Grammaton-Cleric

I'm a DOA guy myself. but I can appreciate VF considering it plays similarly. Though it lacks all the action and thrills that interactive backgrounds, fast reversal intensive gameplay, and modes like tag team fighting can provide. It feels like a sterile DOA, which is not bad by any stretch.

Oh lord, I toofavor DOA, but I wouldn't by any stretch insult VF by callling it a sterile version of the latter. Honestly, DOA does have more flash than VF, but capable enough VF players would cite that the game has by far the most substance out of the two.

I actually love DOA, especially 4, but to call VF a "sterile DOA" is asinine.

You refer to VF as a "slower DOA" and claim it lacks"fast reversal intensive game play"when in reality VF5 is faster than DOA and allows for incredibly high levels of reversal game play, albeit in the hands of more experienced players. The reason VF5 seems slow to you is because, quite frankly, you don't know how to play it and rather than learn the deeper nuances of the game you've chosen to make some baseless comments and then insult anyone with a dissenting opinion with that pseudo-psycho-babble nonsense about insecurities.

If you enjoy DOA more, then power to you, it's a damn fine game. However, marginalizing VF isn't going to accomplish much except make you seem woefully uninformed about the genre.

I don't really give a crap how experienced you are at VF. I don't care if your'e so experienced that you can make the game appear faster or the reversal system seem more integral than it is in DOA. All I know, is that the feeling I get when my partner tags me in, and I go for a flying Jann Lee kick to smash someone through a window to the ground below, is a feeling I cannot have in "sterile" VF. Where the closest I'll get to that is to get someone to stumble off the squared platform for a ring out victory. Although I guess that makes it more balanced, and thus, much cooler to do.....

[QUOTE="AlwaysSoft"]SPOILER ALERT! Thanks a lot......rragnaar

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[QUOTE="ArmedWolf001"]I played the demo, it was not my cup of tea. Yeah, the graphics are pretty good, but the voice acting was hilariously bad, the sound effects were terrible and the gameplay felt lacking (or mabye I just didn't know how to pull of the sick combos). I'll pass for now though, unless I change my mind for whatever reason in the future.HiResDes

I'm a DOA guy myself. but I can appreciate VF considering it plays similarly. Though it lacks all the action and thrills that interactive backgrounds, fast reversal intensive gameplay, and modes like tag team fighting can provide. It feels like a sterile DOA, which is not bad by any stretch.

Oh lord, I toofavor DOA, but I wouldn't by any stretch insult VF by callling it a sterile version of the latter. Honestly, DOA does have more flash than VF, but capable enough VF players would cite that the game has by far the most substance out of the two.

I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but Famitsu in their latest issue gave Assassin's Creed a 37/40. LINK

And heres a link to the scans if anyone reads Kanji, a translation would be freaking awesome.

Apparently, the Famitsu reviewers were impressed by the story, presentation, and addicting acrobatics, noting that Assassin's Creed is a true next-gen title. Some knocks against it are the one button combat, confusing map, and occasional camera problems.The bolded area has me extremely, well in fact the controls in general have me worried.I'm predicting an 8 or 8.5 from GS, as the controls will probably keep this game from reaching its full potential, or at least in my eyes. You would think they would improve upon the horrible fighting mechanics of Prince of Persia which was by far the least fun part of those games, or just eliminate the combat altogether in favor of Manhunt-esque finishers.

HiResDes

That is worrisome indeed. Does the game practically play itself?

I played the demo, it was not my cup of tea. Yeah, the graphics are pretty good, but the voice acting was hilariously bad, the sound effects were terrible and the gameplay felt lacking (or mabye I just didn't know how to pull of the sick combos). I'll pass for now though, unless I change my mind for whatever reason in the future.ArmedWolf001

I'm a DOA guy myself. but I can appreciate VF considering it plays similarly. Though it lacks all the action and thrills that interactive backgrounds, fast reversal intensive gameplay, and modes like tag team fighting can provide. It feels like a sterile DOA, which is not bad by any stretch.