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#1 AlwaysSoft
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[QUOTE="Prodigy_basic"]VF5 is in a tough spot for me now - i'm a huge fighting game fan, and i actually have a 360 arcade stick (modded ftw!), but right now i have 5-6 games ahead of the pecking order (pgr4, mass effect, cod4, orange box, guitar hero 3), so my purchase will most likely slip into next year sometime...DarkCatalyst

VF5 > all of those. Go ahead and grab it.

Wait.Since when is an 8.5 game better than a game of the year contender like The Orange Box, or highly anticipated titles that haven't even been released like Mass Effect?
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#2 AlwaysSoft
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[QUOTE="Funkyhamster"]That's disgusting... especially when you can probably just cheat or something to get lots of money.AtomicTangerine

No, no you can't. They took that out so that you could pay real money for it. That's what is so terrible.

What's even worse than that? They have certain weapons and revolvers for sale through microtransactions that aren't even actual downloads. They unlock what is already in the game code. Then you go into the in-game shop, and buy theitem you just unlocked with real world money.

This is the reason people were not happy about the EA acquisition of Bioware. If they pull crap like that with Mass Effect, I will personally lead the angry mob that burns down EA..

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#3 AlwaysSoft
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[QUOTE="KrAzY_cHrIs"]

Wait a minute 1up gave this a 10/10 but says it isn't perfect, i'm confused isn't 10/10 a perfect score

Darth_Homer

I remember reading that 1UP's review system isn't a traditional review system. Instead, they give a game a score out of 10 for recommendation, so a 10 would mean that it's highly recommended that you play this game.

So is it basically the PS3 version of VF5 with an improved arcade mode, better balance, online play, a better training mode and (sighs) Achievements?

I think it has a bunch of new unlockable items and costumes, has AA to smooth out the graphics a bit, and supports downloadable content as well. I'm not sure but I think theres some other stuff like downloadable ghosts and replays from other players. Although I'm not certain.
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#4 AlwaysSoft
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[QUOTE="AlwaysSoft"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="HiResDes"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="HiResDes"]

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]Well they made the game at least they have a reason to be upset about the review but fanboys don't. But that too doesn't make it right for them to talk in that manner. dvader654

Yeah I totally agree, but I can guess we can't always expect them to be wholly professional outside of the "development/pr office".

Oh come on,they are having fun with it, so what. GS review is way out on a limb, they should expect some type of critique for it, by now GS should be used to it so it shouldn't bother them anyway. The Insomniac guys were having fun, so what.

Huh, I didn't think it was controversial or anything at all, but I when a developer feels entitled to a score better than "good" I think as a result they can come off as pompous

I don't think they feel they are entitled to the review, they just feel the GS is a poor one, as do I, as I bet many that I have played the game. They have perfectly valid point about the variety in the game, the GS review completely blew it out of proportion to the point where you almost have to laugh at it.

You act as if they scored it a 3.5. All I got out of the review was that it was a solid title. Maybe not "one of the best of the year" (unless your'e speaking in terms of PS3 titles only), but not anything to scoff at either.

No 3.5 means its broken, 7,5 is good/solid but thats the problem. This game isn't just good or solid, its excellent, I think its a shame he doesn't see it and I hope others don't miss out on it cause it really is one of the best games you will play this year. Also his complaints were weird, I don't see how the variety can affect his view on the game so much, especially whe every other Ratchet game is practically the same. If he didn't enjoy it cause it was way too similar I can understand the review a bit more, I just don't get the "identity crisis" thing.

No offense, but how qualified are you to make such a statement? Do you spend a significant amount of time gaming on platforms beyond the PS3? Have you spent this year playing the Halo 3s, Forza 2s, and Bioshocks of the industry? Or the Motorstorms, Lairs, and Heavenly Swords? If it's the latter, then I think you are comparing this game to other games on a platform, rather than the entire industry. Perhaps you think games should be reviewed as relative to the platform they are on (which I would'nt doubt is what most of the reviewers may have seen as the proper way to conduct their assessment), however, that is hardly how I believe things should be done.

I think to some degree, it can be done that way (as even GS themselves hold PC games to a higher standard than console games when coming up with a score, just as they hold handhelds to lower standards than everything else), but I think those lines need to be blurred.

As for the game lacking an identity ..... What I got from that, is that the game tries to do too many things, and in the end doesn't really stay completely true to any genre. When you have a game that is trying to create "variety" by throwing a sky diving portion using the motion controls over here, an on rails sequence over there, and then a driving challenge......... It stops being variety and then becomes a mess. Good examples of variety in gameplay include HL2, RE4, and Gears of War. They mix things up with a physics based puzzle or an area that has you jumping around on rocks trying to avoid the sand, but they never ask you to to change the core game mechanics. You are still using the same controls and doing the same things throughout most of the game.

For a better example, take Stranglehold where 90% of the game is played one way, and about 10% are these little sequences called Mexican Standoffs, in order to break things up a bit. Now that's perfectly acceptable when used on occasion, but if they made it a 50/50 occurrence, then you have a game that begins to lack any real identity, and really isn't all that enjoyable. Even worse would be if they were to throw in 10% driving challenge, 10% sky diving sequence, 10% mine cart portion, 10% on rails shooter, etc. Thats when it becomes almost a collection of mini games and not really representing any real genre. It's a personal pet peeve of mine when games do this.

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#5 AlwaysSoft
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1up reviewed VF5 for the 360, gave it a 10/10. :)

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3164070

This was already one of the best fighting games ever made, best fighting system to be sure and now it has online. So all of you that didn't want VF5 cause there was no online have no excuse at all. If you happen to enjoy fighting games buy this now, its an incredible game.

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Strangely, I was one of those that refused to pick up a VF game unless it were online, in which case it would be a sure bet. However, with the big flood of titles, and my continuing Halo 3 addiction, as with the looming november bombardment, I'm having a hard time justifying this purchase right now.
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#6 AlwaysSoft
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[QUOTE="HiResDes"][QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="HiResDes"]

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]Well they made the game at least they have a reason to be upset about the review but fanboys don't. But that too doesn't make it right for them to talk in that manner. dvader654

Yeah I totally agree, but I can guess we can't always expect them to be wholly professional outside of the "development/pr office".

Oh come on,they are having fun with it, so what. GS review is way out on a limb, they should expect some type of critique for it, by now GS should be used to it so it shouldn't bother them anyway. The Insomniac guys were having fun, so what.

Huh, I didn't think it was controversial or anything at all, but I when a developer feels entitled to a score better than "good" I think as a result they can come off as pompous

I don't think they feel they are entitled to the review, they just feel the GS is a poor one, as do I, as I bet many that I have played the game. They have perfectly valid point about the variety in the game, the GS review completely blew it out of proportion to the point where you almost have to laugh at it.

You act as if they scored it a 3.5. All I got out of the review was that it was a solid title. Maybe not "one of the best of the year" (unless your'e speaking in terms of PS3 titles only), but not anything to scoff at either.
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#7 AlwaysSoft
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I'd say that seems very accurate. Although 9 times out of 10, GS has the lower score of the two.
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#8 AlwaysSoft
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I'm gonna say cliff blesinski from epic. hes such a stuck-up son of a monkey. if any of you have seen his interviews, he is a complete d****e. now jade raymond on the other hand...yummmm...aching546
I'm sure Jade Raymond ismore stuck up than Cliff could ever hope to be. Why? Because of guys like you.
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#9 AlwaysSoft
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[QUOTE="AlwaysSoft"][QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"][QUOTE="AlwaysSoft"]

Granted, I've had some fun with games that scored in the 7s here in the past. I really enjoyed Crackdown. Although I can see why it scored what it did here. I imagine the case will be the same once I've played Ratchet. Have some fun with it but ultimately forgettable and not really worthy of the outstanding score some want to believe it is worth.

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I don't really follow your logic. By your own admission you assume the GS review to be correct and therefore you've rendered judgment even before playing the game. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy, yes?

I'd be wary of giving any site or magazine that much leverage in regards to your gaming decisions. This site is a good resource for many things, reviews included, but GS, like every other site and magazine on the planet, has released some piss poor reviews.

And you should actually play a game like the new R&C before using adjectives like "forgettable" to describe it.

I was'nt passing judgement. Just said what I imagine the case will be. In my experience, if GS says a game isn't worth a 9, or even an 8, I have found that to be true despite whetherIGN and GI have showered it with 10s or not.

I've already mentioned that I've still had a lot of fun with games like Crackdown that did'nt even receive an 8 here, so my preconceptions regarding Tools of Destruction do not necessarily mean I think it will have no redeeming qualities. I just don't think it's any sort of "savior" or especially not a game of the year contender. Which, judging by the backlash, is what everyone was expecting or at least hoping it would be.

Honestly, your post reads like someone who wants the game to be belowAAA because otherwise you might feelas ifyou are missing out on something. Your notion ofthis game as a"savior' is really more a product of your own musings rather than anything written by anyone here on this board. Truth be told, the PS3 doesn't need a "savior" because it has a decent selection of quality games that, whilepaltry next to the library of the XB360, isgrowing more robust as time passes.

I'm not trying to attack you but I do take issue with your "imagining" this game as forgettable without having spent any real time with it. GS is entitled to their opinion but that doesn't change the fact that their opinionseemslowball. The notion that opinion is subjective is a valid point but that doesn'tchange the fact that some opinions are dog ****. I recall the magazine Entertainment Weekly giving the BritneySpears film Crossroadsa good review and calling the Cohen Brothers film Oh Brother Where Art Thou one of the worst movies of the year. My point is that subjectivity can only carry any opinion so far before the credibility of a reviewercomes intoquestion.

That said, I'm not saying that the GS review of R&C iswrong or in any way egregious or unprofessionalbut Iwould caution you fromciting that review as some sort of vindicationof your opinionsregarding agame you have yet to play. You'reclaiming this title isn't GOTY material when practically every other review is saying the opposite and thelogisticsofyour opinion isbased entirely on one dissenting editorial.

Having played the game some, I personally don't think it will meet the criteria for GOTY either (Too many awesome games) but it's surely a better game than a 7.5 would suggest. At the very least, if the chance presents itself, play the demo. You might be surprised.

Once again, my assumptions are based on my past experiences when comparing a GS review to other reviews. It does not mean you will share my opinion or GS's on the game, it is just how I believe I will feel about the game upon playing it. A 9+ score from IGN or GI means little to nothing to me based on my experiences with them in the past. A score from "Pro-G", "UndergroundOnline" or 90% of the places in Dvader's recent link, means about nothing to me either.

Not saying GS is going to always be 100% on the money, as I have had plenty of fun with games that received sub 8 range scores here before, but at the same time, I've never found any of those games to be a top of the line, one of the best of the year titles, as a 9+ score would have you believe.

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#10 AlwaysSoft
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If you haven't already played HL2, then there's no better deal out there than The Orange Box. It's the sequel to what many considered to be the best game of all time when released. HL2 may not exactly have done for the industry what the original did, but it's certainly no slouch, and it's singleplayer is easily better than that of any Halo game that has been released.

However, if multiplayer is your bag, and playing through a campaign with 3 other buddies excites you, or playing online with buddies against other teams, saving the videos, taking screenshots, and laughing at them for years to come is something that you can get into, then there really is no competition. Your choice is Halo 3.

So it really depends on what your'e more into. I love them both, but given a choice, if I could only play one for the next year .... Halo 3 would easily be my pick.