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#1  Edited By CloudStrife213
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I find it funny though that the people who bash the Xbox One over resolution problems and framerate problems, downplay the framerate issues of the PS4.

COD:Ghosts actually runs at a stable 60fps, 1080p upscaled from 720p on Xbox One.

On the PS4, it runs at native 1080p, but with framerate issues.http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-call-of-duty-offers-better-framerate-than-ps4-1463163114

Now infinity ward is releasing a patch to fix the 720p issue in single player for the PS4, to make it 1080p, but no word whether they will fix the framerate issues. http://www.joystiq.com/2013/11/13/day-one-patch-bumps-cod-ghosts-campaign-to-1080p-on-ps4/

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I'm shocked that the video hasn't been bombarded with dislikes by Sony fanboys. Every or any Xbox exclusive video/article I go, there's tons of bashing,arguments, and dislikes regarding the Xbox. Now it isn't so.

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@R3FURBISHED said:

@CloudStrife213 said:The fact that underage people are being forced to work and pressured to work overtime in order to graduate is a human rights violation. These people have rights, and their rights are being violated. I don't understand why you would say it is an ethical one.

First off they're college aged students - working in a job you don't like isn't a human rights violation. Working longer hours than you are allowed to work is not a human rights violation.

Foxconn broke its own rules and the universities and Sony's rules in regards to how the students will work the job, but they didn't violate human rights

These students were working a paid internship at a job they didn't like in order to receive their diplomas and/or receive credits for the course they were taking.

Is it common practice for diplomas to be withheld pending completion of an internship is the question we need an answer to.

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Foxconn is a shit place to work, but just because you have to work there in order to receive your diploma doesn't mean your rights as a human being are being violated.

Even if they are not underage, being forced to work overtime is a violation of an international human right. What makes you say that they did not violate human rights? Just because that is your opinion? These students were FORCED to work even though they did not want to work overtime or in those conditions.

Did you hear of the report that Foxconn forced underage students, age 14 years old to manufacture the Wii U? http://www.gamesradar.com/wii-u-manufacturer-foxconn-used-underage-workers/

Read more here stories of forced labour here: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/14/forced-student-labour-china-apple

These students have NO CHOICE but to work there because they would not graduate otherwise even if the work environment is unfavorable to the students and they are being forced to work overtime, you saying that they have a choice to just leave is not logical at all.So you are telling me that students should just not comply and in the end waste all those precious years of working hard for their diploma just because the school won't let them graduate if they won't work manufacture PS4s? How does a finance major learn anything by becoming an intern manufacturing PS4's? You tell me that. And what's worse is that they are being underpayed. Considering that they have been working overtime.

Want another example? http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/06/dell-suppliers-accused-of-human-rights-violations

It is a human rights violation to me and many other people. That is why you see many people advocating for proper human rights in China, especially in the labor section.

I disagree with you that it is not a human rights violation.

Article 23.1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states:

Everyone has the right to work, to FREE CHOICE of employment, to JUST and FAVOURABLE conditions of work, and to protection against unemployment.

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@R3FURBISHED said:
@CloudStrife213 said:

If this is true, this is really sad and terrible at the same time. Show's the situation in Communist China, having one of the worst human rights in the world.

This doesn't seem to be a human rights violation - just an ethical one:

(it was a paid internship where the students had to work nights and overtime. The ethical qualms come from their university being able to withhold their diplomas pending completion of the internship)

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Indentured servitude is something else, thats for sure: http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/10/4823796/report-foxconn-chinese-students-forced-to-manufacture-ps4

Xi'an Technological University students spent two months at the Foxconn plant in Yantai, China, for a work-study program that ran from August to this week. Students from the program told Dongfang Daily that the internship was mandatory — their diploma would be withheld if they didn't participate, and if they attempted to drop out of the program early, they would lose six credits' worth of courses. The students also said they were given tasks outside of their areas of study, and sometimes performed manual labor.

Foxconn said in a statement to Quartz that during an internal investigation, it found the students were given night shifts and forced to work overtime, a violation of company policy.

"Immediate actions have been taken to bring that campus into full compliance with our code and policies," said a Foxconn representative, including "reinforcing the policies of no overtime and no night shifts for student interns, even though such work is voluntary, and reminding all interns of their rights to terminate their participation in the program at any time."

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So the students could quit or leave the job whenever they wanted to but they would loose credits and their diplomas were withheld pending completion of the internship.

At least they were paid....

The fact that underage people are being forced to work and pressured to work overtime in order to graduate is a human rights violation. These people have rights, and their rights are being violated.

For many governments around the world the elimination of forced labour remains an important challenge for the 21st century. Not only is forced labour a serious violation of a fundamental human right, it is a leading cause of poverty and a hindrance to economic development.

Source : International Labour Organization : http://www.ilo.org/global/standards/subjects-covered-by-international-labour-standards/forced-labour/lang--en/index.htm

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If this is true, this is really sad and terrible at the same time. Show's the situation in Communist China, having one of the worst human rights violations in the world.

The student-labor issue had been reported last month by escapist magazine. October 10,2013

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/128559-Foxconn-Reportedly-Making-PS4s-With-Forced-Student-Labor

I believe the Xbox One is being manufactured by FoxConn too.

http://www.geek.com/games/foxconn-is-already-assembling-the-new-xbox-for-microsoft-1555877/

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@clr84651 said:

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@clr84651:

Lies? Or are you just exhibiting bias? Denial? As I have said, you can check the reviews on Amazon and see whether the person really bought the console from Amazon, as there is a tag that says "Amazon Verified Purchase" below the name of the buyer, so I don't believe people are making stuff up.

Also here's a source for the connection issues. http://www.gamespot.com/articles/playstation-network-experiencing-connection-issues-following-ps4-launch/1100-6416203/

Seems like BS, since I've had mine since Friday morning at 9AM and played online all day. Also both of mine work fine. Sounds like people that put their PS4s encased without enough ventilation. My PS3s & my PS4s fans get louder whenever they don't have the back and front of them open to ventilation. There will always be liars, exaggerators, and people who don't understand proper ventilation of electronics.

Oh, just because it doesn't apply to you means that it doesn't apply to anybody?

Pretty great optimism from you. But mistaken. http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-4-Launch-Edition/product-reviews/B00BGA9WK2/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

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@Shinobi120:

It doesn't mean they will automatically do it, but that meant that they were considering doing it.

Jack Tretton's comment only came after the outburst regarding the used game policy, but his previous comments regarding third-party publishers deciding whether to block used games says a lot about what Sony was considering to do.

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@Shinobi120:

Quote from IGN article with regards to DRM patent that applies technology to BLOCK games even WITHOUT an internet connection: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/03/report-new-sony-patent-blocks-second-hand-games

According to NeoGAF member gofreak(NOTE: THERE IS DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE FOR THE PATENT), the patent application was filed on 9 December 2012 by Sony Computer Entertainment Japan, and will work by linking individual game discs to a user's account without requiring a network connection meaning any future attempt to use this disc on another user's console won't work.

The patent was specifically to block used games even without the use of the internet to block them.

But yeah, keep denying that butthurt fanboy. Keep speculating about what Sony will do. You can become an analyst. "Sarcasm" You have not cited a single piece of evidence that says Sony never considered DRM for the PS4.

@tormentos

Never did I say that Sony has implemented the DRM for the PS4. All I was saying that Sony was CONSIDERING putting DRM on the PS4, as evidenced by the sources I have put in the previous post. Microsoft was also considering putting DRM on the Xbox One, but they have since reversed that decision due to negative feedback. Microsoft was pretty vocal about it, but Sony was playing safe by keeping quiet.

Did you misunderstand me? Please do learn how to read.

Oh, in case you think that the Xbox One has DRM, no it doesn't. Microsoft has reversed many of their policies. You can sell/lend any used game to anybody with both the PS4 and Xbox One.

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@Shinobi120:

You are truly an idiot, what does requiring an internet connection have to do with blocking second hand used games? All your sources don't answer the question. You are just clearly dodging the topic. Your sources are from February. My sources are much more recent, during June, near E3.

Quote from IGN article with regards to DRM patent that applies technology to BLOCK games even WITHOUT an internet connection:

According to NeoGAF member gofreak(NOTE: THERE IS DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE FOR THE PATENT), the patent application was filed on 9 December 2012 by Sony Computer Entertainment Japan, and will work by linking individual game discs to a user's account without requiring a network connection meaning any future attempt to use this disc on another user's console won't work.

Also about used games:

Please read this quote from my first source from Jack Tretton, CEO of Sony America himself: http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/playstation-4-drm-policies-third-party/

"There's gonna be free-to-play, there's gonna be every potential business model on there, and again, that's up to their relationship with the consumer, what do they think is going to put them in the best fit. We're not going to dictate that, we're gonna give them a platform to publish on. The DRM decision is going to have to be answered by the third parties, it's not something we're going to control, or dictate, or mandate, or implement."

But after the outrage of that by fans, Sony changed this policy : http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/

The first source you cited, with the eurogamer interview didn't even answer whether used games would be blocked. Yoshida was being very dodgy about it.

Quote from article:

I sat down with Yoshida a few hours after the PS4 reveal tonight and one of the first things I asked was whether used games would be blocked.

"Do you want us to do that?" he asked.

No, I said. I think, if you buy something on a disc, that you have a kind of moral contract with the person you've bought it from that you retain some of that value and you can pass it on.

Do you agree, I asked?

"Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers," said Yoshida. "They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation."

Take note, there is no confirmation there that they wouldn't be blocking used games. That was only Yoshida's expectation, he never confirmed anything.

But what can we do, when a blind Sony fanboy like you will come to the defense of Sony even if crap is shoved down your throat. Also, please stop making assumptions about Sony, thinking that you know what they will do. Speculation does not serve as evidence.

Old sources for you seem to be better than new sources with NEW information.