[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Can anyone think of a game that defined last generation? Or the generation before that? Are we just living in more succinctly definable times? I would say 6th gen was GTA SA 5th gen was OoT and FF7 4th gen was ALTTP 3rd gen was SMB3 For this gen, I would say COD.
Some people her really suck at Comprehension. Did you really expect him to say that he holds graphics at the same level of gameplay? (durr. Why can't they have both?) What he's saying is that the aim of Nintendo is to make games with gameplay in mind first. He's not saying graphics aren't important in the slightest, unless you're overly cynical towards Nintendo. If any developer said that they value graphics over gameplay, I would probably try to stay away from their games.
I'm still pondering. Price point isn't really a factor for me anymore. Most of the things I was looking for have already been confirmed ( online namely). I just need to see a 3D Mario title on release, and I'll preorder it ASAP.
[QUOTE="Jakandsig_"] I noticed you guys seem to lack a lot of everything. SS, OoT, TP, WW they are the same game. Yes they are. What makes the core gamplay of a game evolve is what they add to it that effects it. That's how games diffriate eachother. Using Zelda, Zelda does not do this. It really doesn;t, and neither does a few other games, I am not exclusively attacking Nintendo titles. Zelda has aboslutely nothing that enhances the actual GAME. They add thing yes, They add new bosses? Ok, they add a few new items? Ok, they add something that can see through wall or w/e ok cool. Now how does that affect the actual game. It doesn't. If I took Pac-Man and took the exact game, added a beach background, and had the lines flash colors is it all of a sudden a different game? If I add more lines so that's it's harder to menuever is it a different game? Let's say you played Pac-man so many hundred of times, the same gamewould make you puke, the above to WILL do that because it;s the same game. The changes given to pac-man arenlt evolving the game. If I took Pac-man, Placed him in a beach colored backgroun with flashing line and you can shoot powerpellets and ghosts now can get them to and you can optionally jump over the ghosts if your fast enough that can actually transfer to another game in the series and would help the game actually evolve. Zelda has not done what I wrote above. The only thing close is motion controls but then again the next Zelda will most likely be using the WiiU controller so that;s not really going to be an evolving control sheme for the gmeplay. Even then it barely did anything, except enhance the combat just a tad. But still the combat still has similar problems all 3D Zeldas have with the combat. But back to the point. SS has added nothing to help the series evolve whether it be minimal or major just like TP did. TP has wolf you say? That's amazing wait, but regardles syour still going to do the same thing the same way so the game is not different it's a distraction so that it can make the game seem less repetitive. Because without that what would TP be? Many games have this same problem now, I mean Uncharted, Gears, FF in some cases, Capcom in general, GTA, Etc. I mean t's just that when you say something like there IPS are bulletprof or they have no reason to change is just plain stupid and actually the kind of thinking with all these HI I CAN DO IT TOO fps games on the damn market. Hey you play as a russian now the game is now completely changes with different core gameplay. Wait, no it's not. In some cases this can be ok, but really why do you think so many first-party games that stayed the same on the GC didn't do well? What? What exactly do you want a sequel to do? Are you saying Zelda should just change genres? It's an action adventure game for crying out loud! It's a medieval setting goddammit. It already has an established storyline, it can't just diverge into something else. We had to wait 5 years for a new Zelda game, and what did we get? An entirely ne control scheme. But according to you, because it didn't radically change the formula, it's a rehash. Don't you see how stupid that logic is. According to you, a series should just die off if it doesn't bring in an entirely new concept. You know what? That's what other IP's a for. You want an action adventure FPS? Metroid prime. You want a racer? Mario Kart You want a platformer? DKCR/NSMBW You want a fighter? SSB You want an RPG? Xenoblade You want a action adventure? Disaster day of crisis/other M/Zelda You want A TRPG? Fire emblem. You want a 3D platformer? Galaxy. You want a party game? Mario party/ Wario ware. How much more variety do you want? I'm not saying no to new IP's but it's asinine to deny the quality, quantity and diversity in the first party Wii titles.
[QUOTE="D4W1L4H"][QUOTE="Jakandsig_"] Look at the top selling games for the Wii, the only game that most likely moved any console and was not just brought to have something esle with the ii or fan service is, Wii Sports Resort, and SMG 1. SMG 1 barely does however, now take the top 10 selling, eh, 15 selling games on the Wii. Now tell me, the Wii sold tons of Software and hardware, but the Software below the top 15 is abysmal in comparisons most games on the Wii do not do well AT ALL. The high quality first-party Nintendo games barely sell compared to the trash at the top by a wide ratio.Jakandsig_
According to VGchartz, 132 wii games sold over 1 million units. 37 of which were published by Nintendo. According to VGchartz, 131 PS3 games sold over 1 million units. 26 of which were published SCE. Were did Sony even come from? All you did was prove my point look at Sony atm. This also goes on 3DS as well, having only a few games justify buying one while most other hardware is ignored or nt selling well and in the long run that's going to hurt. That's why it doesn;t surprise me with Wii and DS software sales why they are in red water atm. Because the DS had tons of games, especially Nintendo games which along with many thrid-party games themajority did not do well, and most of which only few games massively sold on it. Sony was there for a contrast. If you're going to say that for Nintendo, you might as well say it for Sony and Microsoft. Wii has the same amount of games as PS3 which have sold over 1 million. I don't see how having almost 100 third party titles selling over 1 million could be considered Bad for third parties. I don't know why you're brining up the DS. It sold 150 million units already, and it's highest selling/top rated games also come from third parties. DS is done. It's the 3DS's turn now. And guess what? The fourth best selling game on the 3DS is a third party title. Keep in mind, it has only released in one region. 3DS Software sales have been dominating charts since the price drop. Same with 3DS hardware. Not only that, the 3DS is outselling the DS in the same time period. The 3DS hasn't even been out for a year yet, how many system driving games do you want it to have? 3 in one year is excellent.
[QUOTE="D4W1L4H"][QUOTE="Jakandsig_"] Reputation for extremely high quality games? You mean the ones no one buys? What did Wii owners buy again? I think the thing with you is that you believe Nintendo shouldn;t make a new IP because you think they are bulletproof, they are using the same idea over and over for a reason whether you believe it or not with almst completely unchaged mechanics. That's now quality it's being scared to see a reaction to something new. It's not going to work with the Next Wii BTW I have no idea why they are still doing that after the GC.Jakandsig_
Mario Galaxy 1 - MC score: 97 - Units sold: over 10 million Mario Galaxy 2 - MC score: 97 - Units sold: over 6 million Mario Kart Wii - MC score: 83 - Units sold: over 31 million Wii sports resort - MC score: 80 - Units sold: over 30 million SSBB - MC score: 93 - Units sold: over 10 million Twilight Princess - MC score: 95 - Units sold: over 6 million DKCR - MC score: 87 - Units sold: over 5 million Inb4 lolz vgchartz You say that Nintendo uses the same old ideas over and over again? Have you seen any game play like skyward sword? Have you seen any Metroid game play like Other M? Has any other Mario game played like the Galaxy series? How about wii sports/resort? By your standards, how isn't any game a rehash? Do you know what mechanics are? Please tell me you're trolling. Look at the top selling games for the Wii, the only game that most likely moved any console and was not just brought to have something esle with the ii or fan service is, Wii Sports Resort, and SMG 1. SMG 1 barely does however, now take the top 10 selling, eh, 15 selling games on the Wii. Now tell me, the Wii sold tons of Software and hardware, but the Software below the top 15 is abysmal in comparisons most games on the Wii do not do well AT ALL. The high quality first-party Nintendo games barely sell compared to the trash at the top by a wide ratio. According to VGchartz, 132 wii games sold over 1 million units. 37 of which were published by Nintendo. According to VGchartz, 131 PS3 games sold over 1 million units. 26 of which were published SCE.
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