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[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] Yeah may have tried to strike a nerve but you missed. What did piss me off is that you tried to derail my thread into a GT vs forza thread to get it locked. Also I never knew there were Lambos in previous GT's. Im excited i really want to race some lambos in this game is that wrong to you?Rza_rectah

that is where you're wrong. all i said is that there is nothing to get excited over. lambo and porsche's have been in other racing games for nearly a decade and for gt to finally get them is nothing exciting, or special. the gt franchise may never have had them, but need for speed always have.

This is system wars, when you start a thread on these boards offering new information, news or an update it is usually associated at some level to comparing the 'systems'!

Well there are some real positives:

If it ends up being a superior sim to both Forza 3 and GT5 then thats great, right? I mean that means its going to be one heck of a racing sim. From my point of view, I'm still going to look forward to Forza 3 etc and if then if this games lives up to its hype then thats a bonus. Its not coming for a while so all is good.

People should also remember that the UK is the biggest gaming market in Europe :P

My mum knows what a playstation is - true storyangryfodder

*shrugs* My mum knows what an Xbox is but she'll actually have a go on a Wii !!

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[QUOTE="Mckenna1845"] yeah but he was talking about playstation brand vs xbox brand. the 360 might be selling more but it has nothing on the playstation brand, you're forgetting the psp, ps2 and playstation they collectively are way more popular than the xbox brand.Mckenna1845

Well how do you measure peoples' perception of brand name?? You're talking about something that cannot be measured and is highly subjective. Sales represent consumer awareness of a product and the fact 360 is selling more is a clear indication of where consumer preferences are.

Its like which brand of trainers (sneakers to you yanks) has the more popular brand name...well its easy, which brand name sells the most.

The only way you could claim the playstation brand is more popular in the UK, without using sales figures would be to do a consumer survey. Unless you've got something to back up your claims, you can't make them!!

i guess the only thing you can do is use sales. if you combine psp, ps2 and ps3 sales then it is still bigger than the xbox brand.

you can factor in a few other things too like history, and as you say customer awareness. a small shoe company might outsell nike or adidas but people will still say nike are the most popular regardless. it does get subjective at that point, but if you ask anyone who is the bigger club out of newcastle or inter milan they will all say inter milan despite newcastle having better attendance at games.

OK by including the psp, ps2 and ps3, atleast you're backing up your claims, many were just stating the 'playstation' brand was bigger with no reason to back it up. Atleast now it can be argued the playstation brand is bigger because it has more games products etc. You see my point?

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] Link or it never happened. And the PS3 never "wooped the 360's ass" because if it had, the gap would be smaller then 8 million. Maybe it was beating it, but not woopin it. Even still, you cannot say the base level SKU is the only one sold. You also have to factor in HDD sales, because many people buy an HDD after buying an arcade. And dont forget xblg, thats 50 more bucks, and the wireless adapter. So they might be getting a base level model, but they could very well be spedning just as much as it would cost to buy a PS3. mrarmyman48

The 360 has the advantage of being cheaper right? Thats what you're trying to say, ok well there are advantages that the PS3 has over the 360.

The PS3 has the advantage of being a blu-ray player aswell.

The PS3 has the advantage of having the 'Sony Playstation' brand name which has helped it.

If we're going to analyse advantages/disadvantages of each console and why they are selling its going to become a messy argument. Fact is that more people are walking into stores and are 'choosing' to buy a 360 and not a PS3. There is no way you can argue against that. They are doing that and they are walking straight past your beloved 'playstation' brand name, they are walking past the PS3 and are picking up 360s!

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="jonnyt61"] I do, and I can be pretty damn certain that Xbox isn't as famous as Playstation. There isn't a person I know, young or old, who doesn't know what a Playstation is. On the other hand, I could find a lot who don't know what the hell an Xbox is.Mckenna1845

Well how do you measure peoples' perception of brand name?? You're talking about something that cannot be measured and is highly subjective. Sales represent consumer awareness of a product and the fact 360 is selling more is a clear indication of where consumer preferences are.

Its like which brand of trainers (sneakers to you yanks) has the more popular brand name...well its easy, which brand name sells the most.

The only way you could claim the playstation brand is more popular in the UK, without using sales figures would be to do a consumer survey. Unless you've got something to back up your claims, you can't make them!!

UK is 360 land!

maybe the extra time it took to develop Warhead could have been spent adding a lot of the open-ended gamelay options mentioned.

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[QUOTE="mrarmyman48"] yes because sony was still shipping millions of copies of GT3 after GT4 was released right? and millions were still buying GT3 with GT4 out...... (rolls eyes) Sigh.....GT4 came out in 05, so in about 44 months 15 million units were moved.mrarmyman48

Yes the game was still being sold after GT4, it would have also had a platinum version etc. Stop pretending game stop selling after they are released (rolls eyes). There is no denying that the game was in shops through several christmas holidays on one of the most rapidly expanding install bases a console has seen.

I have no way of determining it but the picture you paint isn't exactly accurate either. You were quoting an install base of 10m when GT3 released. There is no way so many copies of the game would have been sold had the PS2 not sold in such rediculous numbers. Such a massive install base is bound to have an effect on the number of copies sold. Add to that it was the only racing game of its kind on consoles.

Also, never underestimate casual gamers appetite for low price games. You coming from the point of view of someone who is very into gaming (you're on a gaming website). Most people who owned a PS2 last gen are not like you, most were late adoptors, to them buying a game late onis no big deal especially if its a platinum deal. Now this would equate to slow trickle of sales throughout the year and a small spike over christmas. Think about how many years this game was on the market for. I'm not saying it sold hugely after GT4 came out, butn its a long time to be on the market multiplied by a massive install base. I just have a problem with how you make out that its sold in such huge numbers with such a tiny install base. Thats not the true picture.

Unless the PS3 is going hit the sales heights of the PS2 then GT5 is not going to sell like previous GT titles.