no one is sadder than me to see the delay, but hey if they need the time to make the game better so be it....

but my question is now that there is an extra 60 dollars in your budget, what game will you get to replace GTA4?

me personally i was thinking prolly assassins creed. it would be a nice substitute for GTA i think

Um didn't you already post this in the other thread so does it really need it's own thread.

BTW weren't you the GS poster previously known as flood?

Archangel3371

yepp, i decided to become a full member and wanted to use my gamertag i use online rather than a name thats like 6 years old that doesnt tie into my online gamer tags

its not theft. it called using the system. there isnt one gamestore clerk who hasnt had to do the very same thing, if they say they havent, they are lying.

this is what happens when jobs are threatened by regionals, who are presured by corporate, who are then pressured by game companies who have given money to assure a certain preorder amount. it all rolls down hill to the guy getting 13.50 an hour and gets his job threatened every 2 days....who has a mcdonalds application posted on his stockroom door by his regional to remind him of where he can always go if he cant met his goals.

the reality is...abusing the sytem isnt very moral, but neither is threatening someones way of life over preorder numbers.

i havent managed a gamestore in over 3 years....the cloud of impending doom was far too much for me to deal with anymore.

well people need to realize that 1million is an inflated number that doesnt necesarrily reflect the actual numbers of gamers who will be there to purchase the game on day one.

let me explain.

i was a manager at an EB games. we had a weekly conference call with corporate. in these calls we were yelled at or honored for our preorder targets being met or missed or even surpassed. for example....


there is a quota set for "large release" games like halo and madden etc. etc.

these goals go from say 35 -100 preorders. if you meet or exceed...great! if not then your up #%$^ creek!

so after these calls we would then be called from our regional manager. he would tell us either get these preorder numbers or someones getting fired....do what you have to do...i dont care if you have to make preorders yourself....just get the numbers!!

so i would take fifty dollars ofmy own money and do 10 preorders under assumed names ( family,friends and even made up names like ingmar habbersham)

then when a customer would come in who looks clueless...and had some trade ins...id look them over find a game worth like 20-30 for trade in....tell them it was only worth 3 dollars and offer them five...in cash. then when they leave i would trade the game in for store credit or in extreme situations id return it as new/defective for full retail price....and then do preorders for our goal games

remember, we had to keep people from being fired...the gamestore business is very cutthroat!

this is why, when i see a games preorder numbers i just laugh......we had a huge number of preorders for halo2.....we got like 200 copies in store preordered, and after the midnihgt release, and for a solid week we had 150 actual unopened un picked up preorder copies behind the desk in a box, that eventually got gutted and set out for displays

microsoft pays gamestop/EB very well for preorders....and there is big pressure to get preorders at any cost.....

keep it all in perspective

i swear next gen both companies (microsoft and sony) need to just release their systems with no names, no markings and no way to discern which is which......that way system wars would be dead to death...

anyhow their is little to no difference between the two versions...not noticably at least.

anyone who says there is a discernable difference in FPSis full of it.

how silly, there have been over a hundred different games released in the last year or two for the 360....all with differing frame rates....and not once did i see a thread of "man call of juarez wasgood but it wasnt 60fps good"

i cant believe a mod posted this......anyway

"High Street retailer HMV has admitted a pre-order listing for Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots on the Xbox 360 was a mistake by its online admin team.

The listing caused a stir over the weekend, with websites and forums assuming it was evidence that the anticipated PlayStation 3 title was no longer a Sony exclusive"
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-57139.aspx

so allready people...come on. lets quit buying into the media created fanboy hype! we all know that if and when the MGS4 announcement is made ...for real...it surely wont be a slipup on the behalf of some admin on a shoddy lowrank videogame weborder site...:roll:

its very hard to even think of how to regulate this problem.

i just wish people would quit condoning this horrible trend by not trafficing the sites that deal in this type of destructive activity.

its especially hard not to go to these sites.....when you consider thatpages like gamespot so seldom update their sites with fresh news.

on the flip side news4gamers is putting up new fresh headlines every 1-3 hours...thats hard to ignore.

the internet has really effected the politics of gaming thats for sure

most sites these days rely on one thing...clicks! its how they get payed...the more clicks the more they can charge for advertising...or at least inusure their adverstisers stay with them.

it's in this fact that the conflict occurs...and any promised journalistic integrity is compromised.
most gaming sites like kotaku,news4gamers,gamersfeed etc.etc. would probably like to be seen as a legitimate source of gaming news. but there isnt alot of clicks in that. for example, which of these headlines do you thinlk will get more traffic?

a. "we look at a new build of warhawk"

or

b. " the 360 may be the new dreamcast!!...at least thats what a random analyst from some company somewhere says...."

the latter headline will no doubt get clicks and start an insuing flame war in the comment section....all of which serve one purpose...putting money in the wallets of the site owners.

think im crazy or just overthinking this? look at some of the headlines fromtoday.

"GTA IV delayed to make MS give in? "
and whats their source???....xboxfamily.com. pfft what a great source!

"GTAIV Delay : More Conspiracy theories - Sony bribed Rockstar, Rockstar ... "
the source for this even and fair piece??? games-digest.com

"PlayStation 3 Complications Caused GTA IV Delay - Michael Patcher "
"GTA IV delay may force another PS3 price cut "
source???....drumroll please .....360-gamer.comlol... im not kidding

"Four GTA Delay Conspiracy Theories "
"The Format Wars are Over... Blu-Ray Wins? "
more and more useless debating over a format war that we wont know the outcome for years....but hey why not pour over it until mind numbing minutia sets in right?

this is just an example of some of the lame typical headlines you find on these blogs and "news sites".

kotaku seems to be in the middle as they fluctuate between their utter love , respect, and undying devotion for everything Wii and japanese....and their usual contempt for the 360 and PS3 and their corporate juggernauts!

then theres news4gamers...i didnt realize until like day two, that almost 95% of their headlines are pulled from other sites, that are just forums posts from anon forumers on obscure threads....in fact news4gamers is basically a site that allows usres themselves to create the stories and headlines on their own. this means that if you happen to find some obscure thread that makes some outrageous claim about sony or microsoft....then you may just be able to get that tidbit out to millions and millions of gamers.

all of these sites seem to hang on the every word and opinion of micheal pachter, mark rein and any other brash corporate talking head who may slip up and release some vague quote that can be chopped and misconstrued to call the deathbell of a system or console.

go to system wars here...where do you think 95% of the fanboywrs get their ""flamewars" info from.....the blogs, the newsites.

its ridiculous....

feel free to discuss o debate.