[QUOTE="SnakePS360Gamer"]The environment, the surrounding, the character models, the detail of characters, the sound, impressive online, and the graphics. Everything is perfect about this game. It just needs a memorable soundtrack, and better character animations and we have our FPS Console King. The only people down playing this is the lems who won't get of Halo's ****. This game has been in development for, four years(going on five). Its being heavily funded, and lots of people are working on it.skrat_01

Look at GTA IV, massive massive massive budget, huge hype and marketing, massive prodcution values. Yet Rockstar somehow managed to completely miss design fundementals that had made the GTA games so fun and memorable in the first place.

Not to say that KZ2 wont be good...

err. GTA4 scored a 10 and praised greatly by reviewers. So what rockstar did payed off, no matter how u look at it. GTAIV was an awesome game, IMO. Yes it was more serious, but thats the way i like it.

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forget the grphics... what is special exactly about this game? looks like some kinda cod4 ripoff from what i've seen. anyway i would say that the console FPS king is halo 3

pi3m4ster

but Halo is a half-life rip off...so it means halo sucks right?

see how silly your logic is?

originality doesn't make a game. gsus

This thread failed when you said "IF" What IF PS3 lived up to PS2's hype. I hate what if discussions. The answers are unknown and the questions are stupid most of the time.SnakePS360Gamer

okay, MR REALITY...my bad, it will not happen again.

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]

would have we seen the same game, but with better textures?

MGS4 currently has insane looking character models, but enviromental textures are pretty bad, besides a few areas (very few) that have high rez ones.

Due to the PS3's Ram issues (being 256+256 split) and OS..etc.

I think we would have, thoughts?

Al3x_n90

I think the devs at konami concentrated on the cutscenes and character models rather than all the textures, although the textures are not as bad as you say, there are some places where they aren't that good but the game overall look insane, it's a definite contender for console graphics of the year :P

Btw i don't think the OS of the ps3 has anything to do with the textures :P Uncharted is better in terms of textures than MGS4 cuz the main thing about uncharted are the graphics, the main thing about MGS4 is the story :P

First of all, MGS4 suffers from A LOT of low enviromental textures, with good ones here and there.

2nd, I didn't mean the OS had something to do with the texture, but that the OS takes up more RAM, that COULD'VE been used for textures.

MGS4's graphical highs come from character models, and also draw distance.

would have we seen the same game, but with better textures?

MGS4 currently has insane looking character models, but enviromental textures are pretty bad, besides a few areas (very few) that have high rez ones.

Due to the PS3's Ram issues (being 256+256 split) and OS..etc.

I think we would have, thoughts?

[QUOTE="treelog82"]

1. Gears 2 has the best character models on any console, even better than MGS4

Both as a long time gamer and as practitioner in the field of 3d design I have to strongly disagree with you here. If you prefer the styyle of GeoW2 over MGS4 then that's absolutely fine. But to go out and even attempt to say GeoW2 models outshine MGS4 models on a technical level is lol worthy to say the least. The MGS series always delivers the best character models for their time and MGS4 is no exception.

The "depth" you see in GeoW2 models is what you call a bump map. Its a sub material of a texture that gives the appearance of depth when in actuality its a cheap method used to hide low poly models. Don't get me wrong, every video game, or real time 3d scene uses bump maps in place of geometry at certain times. The difference is with MGS4 the majority of the character details are done with real geometry, while bump maps are used for pores in the skin, different octocam textures, and to give some of the hair clusters more depth. To put it simply GeoW2 models are average at best, but utilize little texture tricks to attempt mimicking high quality models like you would see in a game like MGS4. The problem is that while its a quick fix, its never a good substitute for real geometry. Hence why MGS4 models look leagues better.

GeoW2 as a whole is graphically impressive, but as for character models its not even a top 5 game for this gen.

Vaasman

lol, his actually right, maybe you need to get properly informed of the UNREAL ENGINE and how it works. MGS4 has IMO, better character models. Gears of War 2 looks amazing still, but it just doens't have that clarity or cleaniess as MGS4 that makes it look that much better.

I swear the bit in MGS4 when u meet up withd drebin for the first time, somewhere in the middle of the cutscenes, there is a shot of snake from close up, i thought it was ALMOST photrealistic...it was that good.BTW, IMO..RE5 has the best models and console graphics overall.

1. Gears 2 has the best character models on any console, even better than MGS4 (lol, you mean the muddy character models?, gears 2 shows great detail, but not as good as MGS4, sorry)

2. it looks pretty good but def. not as good as gears 2 (No one argued it, so why bring it up?...wait have you played both?)

3. there is a sticky.

butteman12

Fixed