[QUOTE="GhostOfKosh1"]

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"] Correct. But your really playing semantics as well. You and I both know that spending money to improve how well your home runs pays off for you in your utility bills, no matter how or why you came across the money. It's an investment.lilburtonboy748

If you steel my wallet and then improve your house that's not an investment by me. Thats you jacking my money and getting yourself a nicer house.

The economy is never stronger when an inefficient act is taken. And what you are asking is does creating an inefficient act help to later create what you are arguing is an efficient act. First, the ends never justify the means (both morally and economically). Second, no the investment of the second person whom is quite often an idiot is much more likely to now do a second inefficient act. Two wrongs don't make a right. It just makes for more stupidity. In no way does that help me.

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"]Well if you look at say the health-care part. Spending money to help do away with the massive paper trail would be an investment. Others, not quite as easy to argue.btaylor2404

If you steal my wallet and then improve your house that's not an investment by me. Thats you jacking my money and getting yourself a nicer house.

[QUOTE="GhostOfKosh1"]

I think you mean it's a community effort led by individuals. A community is a generality and thus has no substance without individuals.

Also when you say "community" I get the feeling what you really mean is teamwork. There are different kinds of teamwork; teamwork in your family, teamwork with your friends in a game such as soccer, teamwork in the workplace, or perhaps global teamwork. Each kind very different from the other.

The way that I read the response is that you're saying the community (global) teamwork is more important than the individual and in fact the community is where this backbone lies for knowledge creation. However, from what I've seen the backbone for "leaps" in knowledge usually come from a select few "outliers". A few especially smart people. And in many cases these people actually go against the "community teamwork", like in the case of Galileo. Unfortunately I think sometimes teamwork can lose its meaning depending on who's wielding the term. I think Galileo had wonderful teamwork, but the society he lived in did not. I often find that when it comes to accumulating knowledge there is better community teamwork going back and forward through time from these outliers, rather than community teamwork in the moment. Perhaps just an interesting tidbit about historical community teamwork, or perhaps that says something about the power of outliers, or perhaps that just says something about us.

* ps: this post doesn't refer to the creation/teamwork of goods, but rather to the basic sciences, math, physics, economics, biology, which evolve from a few and take their giant leaps from even fewer.

Jandurin

Elsewise, you're suggesting that if certain people never existed, then certain bits of knowledge would never ever be discovered.

You could try punching her in the face.Jandurin

Shhhhaamme.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] [QUOTE="Jandurin"] I don't have faith in the individuals of science, but I do believe in certain aspects of science.Jandurin

I think you mean it's a community effort led by individuals. A community is a generality and thus has no substance without individuals.

Also when you say "community" I get the feeling what you really mean is teamwork. There are different kinds of teamwork; teamwork in your family, teamwork with your friends in a game such as soccer, teamwork in the workplace, or perhaps global teamwork. Each kind very different from the other.

The way that I read the response is that you're saying the community (global) teamwork is more important than the individual and in fact the community is where this backbone lies for knowledge creation. However, from what I've seen the backbone for "leaps" in knowledge usually come from a select few "outliers". A few especially smart people. And in many cases these people actually go against the "community teamwork", like in the case of Galileo. Unfortunately I think sometimes teamwork can lose its meaning depending on who's wielding the term. I think Galileo had wonderful teamwork, but the society he lived in did not. I often find that when it comes to accumulating knowledge there is better community teamwork going back and forward through time from these outliers, rather than community teamwork in the moment. Perhaps just an interesting tidbit about historical community teamwork, or perhaps that says something about the power of outliers, or perhaps that just says something about us.

* ps: this post doesn't refer to the creation/teamwork of goods, but rather to the basic sciences, math, physics, economics, biology, which evolve from a few and take their giant leaps from even fewer.

is "sin" separate from the laws of man?Jandurin

~Sin has nothing to do with the law of man. If flawed men create flawed laws then the only reason to follow those laws is under reasons of duress.

ps: If people don't know our legal system is a joke then they are stuck high up in the trees.

[QUOTE="GhostOfKosh1"]Lobster.mysterylobster

[QUOTE="English Language Dictionary Found at thefreedictionary dot com"]

sport

n.

1. a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. b. A particular form of this activity.Greatgone12

Cheerleading fits that definition. There, this thread is officially over.

I mean, what? Not fully stopping at a stop sign is a sin? Or is "sin" separate from the laws of man? Seriously confused.Jandurin

Not fully stopping at a stop sign is a sin? I remember going through a stop sign during my driving test. The driving instructor was like, "I'm going to ignore that". I was like 8). I fear I lost my soul on that day...