[QUOTE="Grive"]

Not really. Which games do you prefer?

And more to the point, how often do you play with your friend? Because if you get to play most games, then there's little point on a 360.

That's what I did on the Ps1 gen, when I wasn't exactly in as good a financial situation as now. My best friend had a Ps1, and we saw each other at least once a week (if not more often), so I got a ninty 64. No exclusives were behind our grasp. Did the same thing last gen, I gots me an xbox.

SAGE_OF_FIRE

But this gen you also may want to take into account what if he wants to play online with his friend, but if you dont then there may not be much of a reason for you to buy one.

That's why I asked if he were to play often with his friend. I meant at his house (though I'll admit I failed to state that explicitly). If he wants to play all the games online with his buddies, then of course, get the console that most of your friends have.

My comment was largely because I prefer to play in person with my buddies, and online for random people when I can't reach them, or for friends that live far away (you can't imagine the amount of savings I've had on my phone bill talking to family in germany through the 360's voice chat).

I hope this is a joke.

All that can be changed (having a 360 in the desk, using a 360 controller to move the Mk2, and omitting the blu-ray joke) within a couple of days. And the psycho mantis joke, good, keep it like that. The 360 wasn't a competitor to the Ps1. Actually, MS wasn't a competitor to the Ps1.

I'm not saying it will go 360, just that for all the reasons you could have come up with, these are around the same level of importance as "because I'm a fanboy who feels threatened by the idea of other fanboys enjoying the game".

What about Killzone 2?

Other than that, every accurate list.

Its a good thing you didn't include any Arcade games.

LagSwitch

That's a 2009 title, isn't it? Was delayed, as far as I know.

MS might make a visual achievement later on.

PS3_3DO

All achievements come with a picture.

Which is about the same as the current trophy iteration.

'Trophies' are much better than 'Achievements' for several reasons:

1) Getting a virtual 'Trophy' is just cooler and makes much more sense than getting the word "Achievement".

2) Having types of Trophies (Gold, Bronze, Silver) is much cooler than just Achievements with different values.

3) Having a numbered levelling system (rather than a gigantic number score system like the 360) is more more logical and easy to follow (this is the reason games like World of Warcraft go by levelling).

4)The Platinum Trophy concept (where you get a Platnum Trophy if you get all other Trophies in the game) adds a lot more to the whole idea and the 360 does not have anything like this.

5) The symbol that comes up on the PS3 when you get a Trophy is nice and clear and straight forward and visually apealling and is big enough to notice but small enough to just ignore if you don't care about Trophies (with the 360, you get this huge ugly message on your screen and you either have to get this ugly message or turn off the Achievement messenging alltogether).

The Xbox 360's Achievements only have one thing going for them - they were there from the beginning of the system so all 360 games have them (although at least after 2009 all PS3 games will have Trophies too).

Jason_A

This is... hilariously painfully sad.

1.- So you prefer the word "trophy" to the word "achievement". Second one too hard to pronounce?

2.- What's the exact difference here? That you don't need to think about the numbers?

3.- You do know that the levelling system only hides the "huge number"? You could jut disregard the first, say, two digits of the achievement score and bam! you've got your level system. With added percentage in numbers instead of a bar!.

4.- As far as I know, platinum is not necessarily a "get all other trophies", just one worth a lot.

5.- *Sigh*. If you wish.

Well, why don't you talk about all the huge annoyances of the trophy system?

Why do I need two different sections in two different menus to see my "gamercard" and my achieveme-err..trophy list? Why is the "gamercard" so painfully slow to load?

Why the $#"!#%!#" do I need to synchronize both... and why is synchronization so ridiculously slow?

Why on earth do I need three pages to see the info that the xbox can fit in a small, inobtrusive corner?

Why the dingo's kidneys does it take so long to register the trophy? In uncharted it is quite distracting. You do the deed, you get your medal point, you wait a bit, and you get your trophy notification. It's not fun when you're in the dark in the bunker in the middle of a battle (uncharted players will understand), and you just got 40 kills with that MP40.

Where are my quick & easy comparisons between players?

Why oh why do so few games implement this? even ony 1st party stuff is out of the loop. They've been hyping trophies for over a year now (or thereabouts).

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

too_much_eslim

You can usually get a good idea of the storytelling and the amount of work put into the story. You can't judge plot twists, holes or lenght, of course. Then again, no reasonable person would expect you too.

You can form predictions based on this.

I always assumed it was one of those things that didn't need to be said.

Not really. Which games do you prefer?

And more to the point, how often do you play with your friend? Because if you get to play most games, then there's little point on a 360.

That's what I did on the Ps1 gen, when I wasn't exactly in as good a financial situation as now. My best friend had a Ps1, and we saw each other at least once a week (if not more often), so I got a ninty 64. No exclusives were behind our grasp. Did the same thing last gen, I gots me an xbox.

[QUOTE="diped"][QUOTE="zekere"]You're absolutely right . XBLA is better than PSN, but PS3 is better than 360, achievements are stupid compared to trophies . zekere

Yes, they are . Achievements is just about "who has the most games" . After 20000 points there's nothing to it anymore . Trophies is about leveling up . And leveling up ISN'T about who has the most games !! It's about who has the platinum and gold trophies . And those are hard, no matter how many games you have .

Uh, it's the absolute exact same thing. Gamerscore is just another way of noting levels. You can make a perfectly linear comparison of both systems, where you could obtain the exact same information from either system, and get to the exact same spot in advancement using the exact same strategy.

Achievements have different values. Trophies have different values. Heck, uncharted's medals (and subsequently trophies) follow the absolutely exact same system as gamerpoints.

I really don't get people on this thread, you're all mad that sony hasn't patched all the games to have trophies but apparently the lack of trophies didn't stop you from buying and playing these games the first time around. Now that there is a trophy system you say sony sucks and these games suck for not having trophies.

The way I see it Trophies and Achievements are just Icing on the cake. Play the games because they are fun not because they give you some pointless award for doing so. The games were fun before Trophies were introduced and are still fun now, as time goes on more games will have trophies to help add to the experience but until then whats the big deal?

WeaponX295

Yes, and the theme of the discussion is how the poorly smeared icing on the cake isn't very appetizing, and how Cooking Mama Sony had enough time to correctly coat the cake inside with a good tasting concoction instead of whatever she found at the clearance aisle at Walmart.

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

But the problem is... Sony should have made it mandatory that all past/present/future games MUST support the feature..I cant get over the fact that even exclusives like R&C will not support it..in fact R&C: QFB will not support it..and the game is not even out yet..in addition ...I cant find any info on when MGS or GT5P will even see a patch..

Teufelhuhn

I wonder how true is that. Would Sony be able to force devs to patch a game after an OS update? Can Sony stop production or cancel the licensing? Won't work for, say, Gundam, but could work for other games.

Then again, that would make Sony an absolute jerk - to be mild with words.

I'm just being curious - it all depends on the contract. Sony might have put a good failsafe measure for effectively removing a game from the market.

The problem might be that in games like Uncharted and resistance adding trophies is trivial, since the engine is there, but in other games, you'd have to go from concept to definition to implementation.